Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

The way to start is to wheel your bike into the store with an air of owning
the place. If someone questions you, you must assume an air of injured and
very superior dignity.

Note: if you get away with it for a year or so, then, when someone
questions you, you can say, "Well! I've been wheeling it through here since
well before you worked here."

Seriously, I do ask first -- "May I use this as my grocery cart?" Must try
it at the new Sprout's nearest my house -- have preferred the nice ride to
the Corrales one.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:23 PM 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point.
> You have me wondering how my local Safeway would take to me using my
> Atlantis as a grocery cartSure would be simpler. No locking up the
> bike, getting a cart, forgetting my reusable bags, wiping off the slimy
> cart handle with handi wipes that are always dry, putting the groceries in
> the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic bagging them while getting dirty
> looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out then block the sidewalk with
> my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the shopping basket into the
> panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to move my bike and
> realize its still locked to the rack (every time 😳).
>
> I like your way, way better.. Way.
> Load, scan, load. Done.
> Brilliant!
>
> Clayton
> DDD
>
>
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>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
> I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather
> assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this
> is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with
> one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the
> bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with
> that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the
> store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point. You have me wondering how my 
local Safeway would take to me using my Atlantis as a grocery cartSure 
would be simpler. No locking up the bike, getting a cart, forgetting my 
reusable bags, wiping off the slimy cart handle with handi wipes that are 
always dry, putting the groceries in the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic 
bagging them while getting dirty looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out 
then block the sidewalk with my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the 
shopping basket into the panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to 
move my bike and realize its still locked to the rack (every time 😳).  
I like your way, way better.. Way. Load, scan, load. Done.Brilliant!
ClaytonDDD


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On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore  
wrote:

I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather assymetrical 
ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this is a Dahon 
folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with one of those 
stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the bb-mount stand 
and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with that I can lean the 
bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the store as my grocery cart) 
and have it stay up.





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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was whatever Rivendell installed when they built it; probably a 
Pletscher. It gets pretty windy here in Iowa, and I've learned to lay my 
bikes on the ground instead of using kickstands or leaning them against 
objects. Our Powderkeg sounds like scaffolding falling over when a big gust 
of wind catches it.

I haven't had a chance to ride the San Marcos since paring it down to 24.5# 
because our bike paths have been under water for the past month. I'm 
picking up a custom Guitar Ted-built wheelset of Velocity Quills for my 
Atlantis on Monday that should knock off considerable weight when I set it 
up tubeless next Spring.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:50:19 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, 
> with dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and 
> that's with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.
>
> * I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all 
> of the time.*
>
> Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike 
> from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am 
> ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have 
> even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand 
> will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the 
> grocery store.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame 
>> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike 
>> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and 
>> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced 
>> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 
>> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue 
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi pointed out that I’ve got a fast Leo Roadini. It’s true that I do. I 
posted my best time ever for a 200k today on my Leo Roadini. I like my Leo very 
much. I’ll post a separate ride report. Bike reviews and ride reports tell you 
more about the person than they do about the bike. OMO

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather
assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this
is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with
one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the
bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with
that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the
store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:28 PM 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> My bike falling over is extremely annoying, especially when something gets
> broken or scratched. I cannot begin to gush how much better a rear triangle
> mounted, Greenfield kickstand works, versus a chain stay mount. I just
> cannotI will not use a chain stay mount. I’d rather go without. Now
> that being said, I love my rear mount and wouldn’t think of taking it off.
> I’m in and out of my rack bag all the time and it does not fall over. When
> loading my groceries, I fill the rear left with some weight before loading
> the other bags. It never falls over.
> 😬Esthetics(?) be damned. As with all kickstands, go light with the torque
> wrench when installingWAY more stable with loaded panniers than a
> bottom bracket install.
>
> Crap, I gushed.
>
> Clayton
> DDD
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My bike falling over is extremely annoying, especially when something gets 
broken or scratched. I cannot begin to gush how much better a rear triangle 
mounted, Greenfield kickstand works, versus a chain stay mount. I just 
cannotI will not use a chain stay mount. I’d rather go without. Now that 
being said, I love my rear mount and wouldn’t think of taking it off. I’m in 
and out of my rack bag all the time and it does not fall over. When loading my 
groceries, I fill the rear left with some weight before loading the other bags. 
It never falls over. 
😬Esthetics(?) be damned. As with all kickstands, go light with the torque 
wrench when installingWAY more stable with loaded panniers than a bottom 
bracket install. 

Crap, I gushed. 

Clayton 
DDD

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm trying to distinguish frame flex from faster riding.  For me, I'm not
sure that a Roadeo and Roadini built to the same weight would ride any
faster.  Of course, I feel a dramatic difference when I go from my 35 lb
racked and bagged up Hilsen to my 22 lb Roadeo, but I doubt that much of
that is due to the tubing.  Would a similarly built up Ram and Roadeo feel
different?  Yes, I think the Roadeo would feel faster because it handles
faster.  I don't know if it would go any faster, but maybe once you get the
feel for the livelier-handling Roadeo other bikes would feel slow.  I don't
know if that has anything to do with the tubing, but that's hard to tell.
As far as frame flex/planing goes I don't notice any on my bikes--maybe a
little on the Roadeo when I'm mashing up hills out of the saddle, but not
convincingly noticeable--only on my heavily loaded AHH did I feel a
consistent spring from the frame flex...

I know that Bill built up his Roadini and it feels fast and he goes fast on
it.  I guess he might be a good person to comment on the tubing because he
has a lightish Roadini and a light Legolas...

Toshi


Toshi


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 11:48 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> I am 147lbs and 5'8"
> For me a noticeable diff between Bleriot/Sam, then a step up in ease of
> pedalling to Ram, then a dramatic step up to Roadeo. I can also confirm the
> diffs in mph and cog diffs in familiar terrain. Higher toothcounts front
> and back on Roadeo and getting up hills easier than with the other bikes.
> Though I am not obsessed with speed, but want a bike that moves easily as
> I pedal along and doesn't bog down on hills and make me feel like I am
> fighting the bike.
>
> I am guessing the diff is in frame tubing because the Roadeo is definitely
> the more efficient bike, even with very similar Rivish build. Maybe
> chainstay length, too.
>
> Toshi is about same size as me and we ride same frame sizes.
> Perhaps our diffs are in fit measurements.
> Also, Toshi is a power Randonneur, so he can probably blast any bike down
> the road with ease.
> Where I am a weak rider and maybe can feel the diffs.
> I remember that BQ stated the most dramatic diffs felt in their tires are
> felt by weak/slow riders. Maybe the same for tubing diffs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, with
dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and that's
with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.

* I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all
of the time.*

Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike
from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am
ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have
even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand
will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the
grocery store.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame
> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike
> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and
> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced
> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs
> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>
> Soma San Marcos
> 59
> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
> Sugino triple crankset
> 9-speed
> Tektro side-pull brakes
> Cane Creek levers
> Shimano bar-ends
> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
> Noodle bars
> Nitto stem
> Nitto seatpost
> Shimano XT spd pedals
> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
> Shimano 105 hubs
> Jack Brown Blue
> King SS bottle cages
> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

As an extension of this thread, a related question: what is our list's
lightest Rivendell? Be sure to describe build (fixed, 1XN, 3XN) and size
(48 or 64).

My 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie custom, 26" wheels, weighs 18.1 lb with all
bolt-on parts but no strap on or slip in parts, a disappointing increase of
0.3 0.-- 04 lb after I weighed it on an expensive digital scale instead of
an apparently less accurate spring scale. Afterward, I could feel the added
weight slowing me down. Actually, it was probably the added flipside Dingle
and the second Iris cage that bumped up the weight.

But seriously, though it has a (gasp!) titanium spindle in the Phil 113 mm
bb assembly, and a (even more gasp!) titanium stem binder bolt, it also has
2X Phil hubs, no lightweights, and 360 gram/pr Dura Ace 7410 SPD pedals
(replacing the ti-spindled, magnesium bodied spds that weighed about 240
grams the pair. *And* in addition to the lightweight 15 t Surly track cog
on side A, it has a 17/19 Dingle on side B, which adds a good 100 grams.
("Speeds" are 76", 67", and a stump-pulling 60".) The rest of the build
bits were chosen for a best-mix of strength + weight + comfort and + style
(I admit it): Pro 5 Vis 46t single, 7410 seatpost, Nitto Tech Deluxe stem,
quill amputated (in the absence of a Pearl; the TD has much the same finish
as the later Pearls); A9 headset, original issue Flite, Iris cages, 7410
brake levers, left with lever proper removed, right pulling (IIRC; logo
long gone) Suntour S Pro caliper. Sun M14A 559 rims, Schwalbe lightweight
26" tubes, Compass Elk Pass tires, Lezyne bar tape, thinner model.

What prompted my question was stumbling via Bike Radar onto a YouTube of
the 2018 National Hill Climb Championships in England, where one
participant, a scrawny 20-something, said his fixed gear entry weighed 5.41
kilos (11.9 lbs). I realize that no Rivendell on this earth will get close
to that, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone got a medium-sized Roadeo
below 18.1, multiple gears, rear brake, and all. So, speak up, please.

Back to the present thread: over 20 years, this bike surprises me each time
I get back on it after riding others with its ease of pedaling -- it
"wants" me to pedal in a higher gear (76" versus the usual ~70"), and it is
easier to get up to speed in that higher gear as well as to maintain it on
the flats. It also climbs easier, even with the higher gear. It's
noticeably easier to pedal than the almost identical 2003 Curt, which of
course is built with fenders, lights, racks. That said, when Chauncey
Matthews hoisted the frameset to take it back to his workshop for
modifications last summer, he shrugged and said, "Not so light."

Hill Climb Championships: Does anyone know the typical slopes and
distances? And what gears the winners typically use? I couldn't find any of
this in googleworld.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Got it; the 57 is what I'd want; at least, I think so: are the sizes listed
measured center to center? If c-t, the 57 would be a 56 c-c and slightly
too small, though with the sloping tt I could probably get it to fit. I do
want a 56 to 57 cm top tube; 58.2 is too long, or at least so far less than
optimum that I'd choose something else. (In fact, the best fitting
flat-top-tube bike I've owned was 60 c-c X about 56.)

Getting back to Lum's experience (Lum: what is you real name again?) that
the Roadeo rides faster and easier than the Ram: I was thinking about this,
and I doubt it's a couple of lbs of weight. Some of the sprightliest bikes,
or at least, those that most encourage me to pedal faster -- my metric is
that I tend to use a 1-tooth smaller cog in back while cruising on the flat
-- that I've owned have been tanks; that Herse; the Matthews; an ancient
long-stayed Raleigh Technium, heavy tho' made largely from narrow tubed
aluminum; and ancient Schwin Tempo made from heavy Tenax tubing. Wheels
play a part, and so do tires, but IME there isn't a direct correspondence;
the Tempo had dog tires; the Herse used the tires I scavenged from a much
lighter (standard diameter 531 throughout) Motobecane and just felt faster.
Note: this comparison is wrt flatland cruising; other factors may interfere
with the feel of the bike while climbing; the Matthews is fast on the
flats, but feels much more ponderous on hills; of course, even 430 gram
rims and 450 gram tires with such a large diameter make a considerably
effectively heavier wheel than very light rims and light, narrow tires.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:56 AM Paul G  wrote:

> 58 cm happens to be between the two Roadeo sizes where the tubing gauge
> changes. The 57 and below use the lighter gauge and 59+ are stouter, more
> like a Ram and Hilsen.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm no lightweight at ~150, but none of the Rivs I've owned have flexed for
me except the A Homer Hilsen loaded with about 30 lbs of groceries (54 cm
frame).  This includes the Roadeo/Ram/AHH/Cheviot/Custom.

Toshi


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:43 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Probly but i think Its not the weight. Its the flex.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Probly but i think Its not the weight. Its the flex.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jonathan D.]

Woudn’t the weight difference between a Roadini and Roadeo frame built the same 
be about 1-2 lbs?  I would assume it is not just the weight but the flex of the 
frame. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Paul G]

58 cm happens to be between the two Roadeo sizes where the tubing gauge 
changes. The 57 and below use the lighter gauge and 59+ are stouter, more like 
a Ram and Hilsen.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I'd guess that the principal reasons for the difference are cost and a more
general all-rounder use for the Roadini; the Roadeo is a high-end road bike
aimed at the club rider as an alternative to good if not top quality carbon
fiber frames -- heck, as an alternative to 15K carbon fiber frames, if it
comes to that. So small, incremental, but real improvements in weight and,
even more, that "springiness" that you feel with a top quality steel frame
are qualities that particular market will pay for.

Me, I'd love a Roadeo, but will not buy a Roadini. (Does anyone have a 58
to sell? (The 58 is 6-4-6, right?) -- Though I still wonder about getting
another 26-wheel road custom ...

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:22 PM Ash  wrote:

> 
>
> Another part I'm pondering (probably only the designer can answer) is if
> their previous iteration of road bikes is lighter because of a different
> thickness/tapering proportions, what's the compromise.  There's got to be a
> reason why they changed the design from Roadeo.  Or is it that due to the
> type of tubing/material, the lighter (yet strong enough) design is only
> possible in MUSA frames?...
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[John Hawrylak]

Lum

Glad to hear they we OS.  The 8-5-8 OS is same rigidity as 10-7-10 STD or 
like Columbus Tenax tubing.  The 6-4-6 OS is like 8-6-8 STD.  So a 0.1 mm 
wall decrease helps with the planning.

Just be careful of denting on the DT, J Heine claims walls of < 0.5mm tend 
to dent, especially the DT.

John Hawrylak

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:33:09 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> JohnThe 858 i rode were all rivendell os tubing
> Roadeo is 646 os

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jonathan D.]

I have a Joe and test rode the MIT atlantis. The MIT Atlantis actually reminded 
me of the Sam hillborne with the difference being 650B. I think it is the 
shorter top tube. Personally I preferred the MIT Atlantis with the shorter top 
tube and 650B to my current Joe. The Joe will probably go up for sale at some 
point. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

JohnThe 858 i rode were all rivendell os tubing
Roadeo is 646 os

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ash]

Hi Edgar,

Joe is 51cm.

Atlantis feels more nimble and quicker to pick up speed.  Also relatively 
stiffer.  Joe A is more comfortable overall.  It seems to absorb road 
impressions better than my Atlantis.  Perhaps because the frame is slightly 
bigger.  The tubing might be thinner than Atlantis too.  Not sure.  Or 
maybe it is because of the fork design.  Or it might be the wheels (Atlas 
vs Cliffhangers).  Hard for me to tell.  Joe seems every so slightly 
flexier.   I enjoy it much better for longer rides.  On the other hand 
Atlantis feel more suited for loading up - that is relatively speaking.   
Because I have loaded Joe with over 50lbs on a few occasions.  Had no 
problems.  Atlantis feels ever so slightly more stable with weight.

hth,

Ash


On Saturday, 27 October 2018 15:35:13 UTC-7, ed wrote:
>
> Hi Ash,
> What size is your Appaloosa?
> How do you compare the ride with your MIT Atlantis?
> Edgar
>
> On 27 Oct 2018, at 11:24 PM, Ash > wrote:
>
>
> Here's my Joe A.  He's 34 lbs.
>
>
> On Saturday, 27 October 2018 08:21:59 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>
>> My MIT Atlantis 50cm as shown weighs 31 lbs.
>>
>> Brooks B67, those bulky Schwalbes and Velocity Cliffhangers are 
>> contributing all the extra ozs.   But for my use they are almost perfect. 
>>  Happy to peddle a bit extra weight and burn some extra calories while 
>> enjoying the luxurious ride they offer :)
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:18:27 UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Ash,
What size is your Appaloosa?
How do you compare the ride with your MIT Atlantis?
Edgar

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 11:24 PM, Ash  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's my Joe A.  He's 34 lbs.
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, 27 October 2018 08:21:59 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>> My MIT Atlantis 50cm as shown weighs 31 lbs.
>> 
>> Brooks B67, those bulky Schwalbes and Velocity Cliffhangers are contributing 
>> all the extra ozs.   But for my use they are almost perfect.  Happy to 
>> peddle a bit extra weight and burn some extra calories while enjoying the 
>> luxurious ride they offer :)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:18:27 UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>> This custom from 2001 (62cm) weighs in at 22l lbs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[GAJett]

🤔Sounds like that's complete with motor
😀
Cheers!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Reed Kennedy]

My 62cm Hunqapillar weighs between 33 and 36 lbs, depending on rack,
wheelset, tires.

Lightest configuration is like this, but with 38mm Compass Barlow Pass
tires: https://goo.gl/photos/wcx2zxSLPC8kDdbC6
(Counting the rack and basket, not counting the lock, bags, tools.)
Oh, here's one with the right tires: https://goo.gl/photos/zoafhFJTGJ2Y9Yes8

Heaviest config is with a Nitto 27F rack on the front and 2.35 inch
Schwalbe Big One tires. Here's the right rack, but not the right tires:
https://goo.gl/photos/xYYFk7gsqhypQvU17
https://goo.gl/photos/uGkxqdKXQVgxFvBK8

Oh, and one more picture. Just because I really like it:
https://goo.gl/photos/DGV7kM4Cu68TvRkX8


Reed



On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That's pretty light for an Atlantis!
>
> Mine:
>
> The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag
> -- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p
> h for style.
>
> Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with
> 15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
> Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
> KMC 9 speed chain
> Original Tange Rollerball headset
> Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
> Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not
> for weight; I like narrow bars)
> Single Iris cage
> Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling
> single front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe
>
> The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear
> racks, HpX, no bag.
> Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
> Original Ultegra headset
> 14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
> M540 pedals
> Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
> Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
> 17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
> Berthoud 45 mm fenders
> Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
> 2 Irises
> Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful
> with fatter fenders)
>
>
> Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca
> Impero, no bag.
> Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
> Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
> Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
> K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
> Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
> Furious Freds tubeless
> BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
> PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10
> mismatched cogs, 13-28
> Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing
> Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
> Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal
> (thanks, Deacon)
> Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
> Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
> M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any
> rate)
>
>
> Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and
> seatpost rack.
> Otherwise stock except for:
> TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
> 14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
> Original issue Flite
> MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for
> speed, of course)
> Bar mast extender
> Original model Moustache bar
> Kojaks, folding
> Single Profile cage
> 8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
> Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Bumping this old thread:
>>
>> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>>
>> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts
>> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be
>> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jim M.]

But I think I can get it down to 269 with a carbon fiber crank.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
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> My Bombadil weighs about 270 pounds on the road.
>
> jim m
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jim M.]

My Bombadil weighs about 270 pounds on the road.

jim m
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On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:59:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's pretty light for an Atlantis!
>
> Mine:
>
> The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag 
> -- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p 
> h for style. 
>
> Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with 
> 15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
> Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
> KMC 9 speed chain
> Original Tange Rollerball headset
> Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
> Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not 
> for weight; I like narrow bars)
> Single Iris cage
> Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling 
> single front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe
>
> The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear 
> racks, HpX, no bag.
> Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
> Original Ultegra headset
> 14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
> M540 pedals
> Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
> Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
> 17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
> Berthoud 45 mm fenders
> Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
> 2 Irises
> Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful 
> with fatter fenders)
>
>
> Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca 
> Impero, no bag.
> Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
> Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
> Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
> K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
> Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
> Furious Freds tubeless
> BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
> PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10 
> mismatched cogs, 13-28
> Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing 
> Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
> Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal 
> (thanks, Deacon)
> Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
> Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
> M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any 
> rate)
>
>
> Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and 
> seatpost rack.
> Otherwise stock except for:
> TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
> 14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
> Original issue Flite
> MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for 
> speed, of course)
> Bar mast extender
> Original model Moustache bar
> Kojaks, folding
> Single Profile cage
> 8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
> Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Bumping this old thread:
>>
>> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>>
>> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts 
>> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be 
>> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

That's pretty light for an Atlantis!

Mine:

The '99 Custom 57 c-c: 17.8 lb with "heavy" Dura Ace SPD pedals but no bag
-- would be 17.5 lb with the Xpedos, so I lose a couple of average miles p
h for style.

Wheels: Sun M14A 559; 70 gram tubes; Elk Pass tires; Phil hubs, rear with
15/17; Revolutions and aluminum nipples
Phil Ti bb with TA Pro 5 Vis single 46
KMC 9 speed chain
Original Tange Rollerball headset
Dura Ace SP 7400 post, original issue Flite
Nitto Tech Deluxe cut down for ti bolt, Compass Maes Parallel 38 cm (not
for weight; I like narrow bars)
Single Iris cage
Dura Ace 7400 levers (right to front, left with arm removed) pulling single
front caliper -- caliper is either Superbe Pro or similar Dia Compe

The '03 Custom 58 c-c: about 25 lb with ss fenders, dynolights, f and rear
racks, HpX, no bag.
Same rims, tires, sp, saddle, bb, crank (but 48)
Original Ultegra headset
14/15 Sapims with black nipples for added speed
M540 pedals
Nitto Pearl with Maes Parallel 38
Surly flip flop/SON 20 R + Edeluxe 1 and some sort of rack mount rear
17/19 Dingle, no freewheel
Berthoud 45 mm fenders
Custom rear and front lowrider ss racks
2 Irises
Dura Ace 7400 brake levers pulling DA EX calipers (these are wonderful with
fatter fenders)


Matthews is about 30 lb fully dressed -- rack, dynolight, fenders, Silca
Impero, no bag.
Nice but brand unknown seatpost holding up later issue Flite
Phil steel 130 bb, 175 Logic double with BB Bashguard, 42/28
Rear generic Shimano, front SP disc
K-Lite front, some German rack mount rear
Sapims, 32, 14-15 with black nipples on Velocity Blunt SS rims
Furious Freds tubeless
BB7 Roads with Jagwire pulled by generic Shimano aero levers
PowerRatchets pulling SRAM 10 speed chain through Jagwire over 10
mismatched cogs, 13-28
Dura Ace 740? front and rear derailleurs; rear has cartridge bearing
Bullseye pulleys, something I didn't know until someone else pointed it out
Logic 9 cm stem holding VO 42 cm Maes Parallel and St Christopher medal
(thanks, Deacon)
Custom rear rack; ditto front low riders not mounted
Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, rear a shorty
M540 pedals (I think; double sided Shimano mountain bike pedals, at any
rate)


Afraid to weigh the Hon Solo, but guessing it's 24-25 lb sans bag and
seatpost rack.
Otherwise stock except for:
TA Pro 5 Vis with 50 t ring
14 t rear cog with 16 t bailout, not yet used
Original issue Flite
MKS GR-9s with Christophes and leather straps with pads and buttons (for
speed, of course)
Bar mast extender
Original model Moustache bar
Kojaks, folding
Single Profile cage
8 speed era 105 levers, right pulling OEM caliper, left sans lever proper
Sanyo bb generator with modern plastic headlamp, battery tail light



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Bumping this old thread:
>
> Weighed my 56cm Riv Atlantis (Toyo build, if it matters)
>
> *24.6lbs *w/ the Mavic Crossmax and RTP tires and no weight-saving parts
> taken into consideration. I built it up as my gravel/dirt bike. Would be
> nice to get it lighter but this is good enough. Might try tubeless ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Weight! Weight! Weight! Sounds like my (skinny and tall) 13-year-old
daughter (alas).

I just weighed my Fargo: just under 33 lb with at-least-3-lb saddlebag and
contents; this is the off road equivalent of a 58 cm frame. All bolt on
accessories, which for this one amounts to 4 nylon bottle cages and clip on
light mounts. (Lights clip on; mounts bolt or strap on.)

Gofast: weighed sans bag: 17.24 lb; the same digital suitcase scale very
nicely took off .24 lb since the last time I weighed it and I hope for
further reductions. All bolt-on accessories.

Didn't weight the Ram or the commuter, but guess ~25 lb and ~23 lb, no bags
but with lights and all bolt on accessories.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM, DS  wrote:

> Finally got around to this:
>
> 48cm Hunqapillar w/ 2.1 smart sams, standard build kit w/ albastache bars,
> front nitto mini rack, and 2 water bottle cages (without water bottles):
> 28.4 lbs
> 55cm Cheviot with standard build kit, shimano dynohub, luxos b light,
> nitto mini front rack, pletscher rear rack, dyno tail light, water bottle
> cage, walde medium basket, bell, sks fenders - 38 lbs. 42 lbs with lock and
> sackville shopsack
>
> Also, for comparison, Gunnar sport with front nitto mini rack, 2x9 shimano
> 105 drivetrain (brifters), 2 water bottle cages (empty) - 23 lbs
>
> I have to say, i love the cheviot, its new, but hauling a 40 lb bike up
> and down steps and through a tight storage area that needs me to basically
> almost lift it up over my head to get out, and then up and down the BART
> stairs is a huge pain in the ass. I may need to balance it out with some
> sub 20 lb fixie bike with zero attachments.
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bertin753]

Ram at Mom's!

Patrick Moore
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> On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
> 
> Patrick,
> For some reason, I thought you owned a Ram.
> 
>> On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:10:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal 
>> Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the 
>> very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing -- 
>> pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools, 
>> and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually 
>> varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29 
>> range).
>> 
>> Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34, 
>> 22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half 
>> full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools -- 
>> surprised me at how light it is.
>> 
>> #2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.
>> 
>> Ram at Mom's.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>  "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never 
>> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. 
>> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>>  "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to 
>> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
>> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
>> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
>> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
>> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
>> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
>> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
>> in your time and your body can they be?
>>   "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. 
>> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
>> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
>> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
For some reason, I thought you owned a Ram.

On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:10:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal 
> Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the 
> very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing -- 
> pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools, 
> and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually 
> varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29 
> range).
>
> Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34, 
> 22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half 
> full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools -- 
> surprised me at how light it is.
>
> #2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.
>
> Ram at Mom's.
>
>
>
>
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> *
>   * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
> never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
> it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
> * "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to 
> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
> in your time and your body can they be?*
>  * "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. 
> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
> you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal
Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the
very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing --
pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools,
and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually
varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29
range).

Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34,
22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half
full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools --
surprised me at how light it is.

#2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.

Ram at Mom's.




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  * "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
* "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried.
"Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

do you want me to weigh it with or without the two racks of ribs? or the
melon?


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Don't hold your breath.  Jan doesn't ride a Rivendell (even though he
> still owns one), and Jan knows that bike weight doesn't matter anywhere
> near as much as people think.  Grant also knows that handwringing over bike
> weight is a pointless exercise.  He doesn't know what his bike(s) weigh,
> doesn't care, knows it doesn't matter, and is busy doing things that are
> less pointless to him than weighing his bike(s).
>
> Me though, I don't mind being pointless.  I weighed my "road bike".  My
> budget Roadeo:
>
> Frameset:  Black Mountain Cycles 59cm, cane creek threadless headset
>
> wheels:  Open pro 32 hole, ultegra rear, WTB front, vintage Dura Ace
> skewers, 12-25 9sp cassette, 700x32 challenge Eroica tires
>
> drivetrain:  White Ind VBC cranks 44/30, White steel BB, Ultegra SPDs,
> Dura Ace F+R ders, DT shifters, SRAM chain
>
> components:  flite saddle, ritchey alloy seatpost, noodle bars, civia
> bryant stem, Dia compe 610 centerpull brakes, paul funky monkey hangers,
> tektro levers, newbaums tape
>
> extras:  alloy crane bell, gran compe ciclo ENE front rack, two king cages
>
> 23.5lbs
>
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:40:51 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...still waiting for Jan Heine and Grant Petersen & company to chime in
>> on this...c'mon now y'all...join in on the fun...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

Oh! I've been lapped in the singlespeed weight-weenie race!

Philip
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:34:29 PM UTC-7, AD wrote:
>
>
> I have a 20.5 lbs SimpleOne with magnesium bottom bracket, Brooks 
> titanium, Paul levers and cantis, JB greens, Phil 36h (can probably drop 
> some weight with 32 WI), cut Nitto seatpost.  
>
> Minimizing the weight was just for kicks as the bike is regulated to 
> family rides on the Iron Horse trail. 
>
> AD
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[AD]

I have a 20.5 lbs SimpleOne with magnesium bottom bracket, Brooks titanium, 
Paul levers and cantis, JB greens, Phil 36h (can probably drop some weight with 
32 WI), cut Nitto seatpost.  

Minimizing the weight was just for kicks as the bike is regulated to family 
rides on the Iron Horse trail. 

AD

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was pretty surprised about the commuting load weight to!  But that does 
include a full set of work clothes, tools, rain jacket, u luck, cable and of 
course two canvas bags.  Good thing I took out the laptop that I only 
occasionally have onboard of the number would have been really shocking!   :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was pretty surprised about the commuting load weight to!  But that does 
include a full set of work clothes, tools, rain jacket, u luck, cable and of 
course two canvas bags.  Good thing I took out the laptop that I only 
occasionally have onboard of the number would have been really shocking!   :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

Bags, my friend. Never weigh them!

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tony DeFilippo]

1. Saluki
2. 60cm
3. 28 lbs, 42 lbs at full commuting load

1. XO-3 (1993, 26"), single speed
2. 59cm
3. 27 lbs.

I would have figured the XO to be a couple lbs lighter but I have some 
junky Kenda 1.95" tires and a B67 saddle that probably account for a pound 
or two of weight delta just there.  I believe my 650B converted, 531C 
framed Trek was right around 32lbs racked and fendered.  I'll have to come 
back to this once I receive my new-to-me rSOGN and build it up!
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Dave @ Riv]

That guy on the HILSEN was our very own riv Jared!
Flyin.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:26:12 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:39:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, 
>> dyno lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it 
>> may be 28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt 
>> on parts except fenders but no bags or bottles. 
>>
>>  
> Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  On Sunday, both buddy and 
> I were riding our carbon bikes climbing out of Sausalito towards the 
> bridge. His bike is the latest 2014 Trek Madone with ultegra di2, probably 
> weighs about 16 or so pounds. I'm on my "tank" calfee that weighs in at 
> 18+lbs. As we were "cruising" up the first hill out of Sausalito, this guy 
> on a Hillborne blows past us. He had massive amounts of tattoos on both is 
> legs and arm and had a big Nelson type saddle bag. He was flying up the 
> hill pass us and I couldn't see anything else on his bike like whether it 
> had a double toptube or not. Needless to say, his bike was probably heavier 
> than both our bikes, but that in no way stopped him from flying up the 
> hill! 
>
>> And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop), 
>> perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Five pounds lighter than my Q Phillip. You're killing me here! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Philip Williamson]

So I have the lightest Quickbeam so far? 
Woot! 

Cryptoweightweenie,
Philip
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 12:17:54 AM UTC-7, Jason Leach wrote:
>
> I'll chime in:
>
> 54cm Quickbeam
> 170mm cranks 42t with a chainguard
> Albatross
> Suzue Free/Free wheelset
> B17
> Mini Front/ wald/ shopsack
> Big Back Rack/ canvas panniers 
> Planet Bike fenders
> 700x32mm Wire Bead Paselas
> bungee chords, two tubes, a few tools
>
> 28lbs
>
> Jason
> SF,CA
>  
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Corwin > 
> wrote:
>
>> My bike/weight:
>>
>> 62cm Quickbeam
>>
>> Built as follows:
>>
>> Front wheel - PJW built Shimano 3N80 Dynamo laced to a Velocity Dyad
>> Rear wheel - Rich built Phil double sided single speed hub laced to a 
>> Velocity A23
>> Schwalbe 38mm Marathon Supremes
>> SKS P45 fenders
>> Cantilever brakes
>> Sugino XD cranks, 40, 32 chainrings
>> Cane Creek hoods
>> MKS track pedals
>> Nitto Jaguar seat post
>> Fizik saddle
>> Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm stem
>> Nitto Noodle bars
>> Nitto mini front rack
>> Nitto Platrack
>> Slickersack
>> Schmidt Edelux dynamo light
>> Portland Design Cygolite Hot Shot taillight
>> Kryptonite New York "Fahgettaboudit" lock
>>
>> 34.8 pounds
>>
>> If we leave out the lock (as I sometimes do riding to Downtown Berkeley), 
>> the weight is 30.6 pounds.
>>
>> We won't talk about the 50 - 60 pounds of groceries in the trailer I pull 
>> home several times a week.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
>>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
>>> weigh.
>>>  
>>> Would be informative to know:
>>> 1. Model
>>> 2. Framesize
>>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells 
>>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete 
>>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
>>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
>>> not expected.
>>>  
>>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>>  
>>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
>>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
>>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

Admissable?  Yes.  Is it usable or practical without the booze?  No

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:07:58 AM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Bill, your complete camping set up weighs significantly less than my 
> unladen, unsackvilled Bomba. Good effort, but is it admissible without the 
> booze...?
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tom Harrop]

Bill, your complete camping set up weighs significantly less than my 
unladen, unsackvilled Bomba. Good effort, but is it admissible without the 
booze...?

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Jason Leach]

I'll chime in:

54cm Quickbeam
170mm cranks 42t with a chainguard
Albatross
Suzue Free/Free wheelset
B17
Mini Front/ wald/ shopsack
Big Back Rack/ canvas panniers
Planet Bike fenders
700x32mm Wire Bead Paselas
bungee chords, two tubes, a few tools

28lbs

Jason
SF,CA



On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Corwin  wrote:

> My bike/weight:
>
> 62cm Quickbeam
>
> Built as follows:
>
> Front wheel - PJW built Shimano 3N80 Dynamo laced to a Velocity Dyad
> Rear wheel - Rich built Phil double sided single speed hub laced to a
> Velocity A23
> Schwalbe 38mm Marathon Supremes
> SKS P45 fenders
> Cantilever brakes
> Sugino XD cranks, 40, 32 chainrings
> Cane Creek hoods
> MKS track pedals
> Nitto Jaguar seat post
> Fizik saddle
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11cm stem
> Nitto Noodle bars
> Nitto mini front rack
> Nitto Platrack
> Slickersack
> Schmidt Edelux dynamo light
> Portland Design Cygolite Hot Shot taillight
> Kryptonite New York "Fahgettaboudit" lock
>
> 34.8 pounds
>
> If we leave out the lock (as I sometimes do riding to Downtown Berkeley),
> the weight is 30.6 pounds.
>
> We won't talk about the 50 - 60 pounds of groceries in the trailer I pull
> home several times a week.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
>
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Bill Lindsay]

>  
> Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  
>

There are no weenier weight weenies than the Camping weight weenies, so I 
set up a minimalist S24O kit.  I took my 27 lb double speed (with HA 
Panniers) and added:

Hammock + sleeping bag + VBL + stuffable pillow
stove + pot + utensils + cup + coffee kit + firestarters
parka + skull cap + tights + nighshirt headlamp
can opener beer opener bandana

34.0 lbs with no food and no water, and no whiskey.

I can substitute my solo tent and thermarest for my hammock and add 750g.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:39:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, dyno 
> lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it may be 
> 28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt on 
> parts except fenders but no bags or bottles. 
>
>  
Ha, you guys are a bunch of weight weenies!  :)  On Sunday, both buddy and 
I were riding our carbon bikes climbing out of Sausalito towards the 
bridge. His bike is the latest 2014 Trek Madone with ultegra di2, probably 
weighs about 16 or so pounds. I'm on my "tank" calfee that weighs in at 
18+lbs. As we were "cruising" up the first hill out of Sausalito, this guy 
on a Hillborne blows past us. He had massive amounts of tattoos on both is 
legs and arm and had a big Nelson type saddle bag. He was flying up the 
hill pass us and I couldn't see anything else on his bike like whether it 
had a double toptube or not. Needless to say, his bike was probably heavier 
than both our bikes, but that in no way stopped him from flying up the 
hill! 

> And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop), 
> perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

IIRC, my errand custom fixie is ~23 lb without fenders but with rack, dyno
lights, cages. The gofast is 17 3/4 lb. The Fargo IIRC is ~30 lb: it may be
28 or it may be 31, I forget. Again, all ready to ride with all bolt on
parts except fenders but no bags or bottles.

And my bars are 3 cm below saddle for the Maes Paralells (shallow drop),
perhaps 2 1/2 cm for the Noodles; 2 cm above for the Fargo.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting exercise. I weighed mine w bags, pumps, repair/patch kits, lights, 
but with no water bottles, in other words as they would be ridden:
1) Riv Road Custom, 61.5cm, standard build w brifters, Carradice saddlebag, 
28mm tires, 26 lbs.
2) Quickbeam, 60cm, with Nitto M12 front rack w Wald basket, medium sackville 
bag, banana bag, & two freecogs on the flip-flop back, JB tires, 30 lbs (wow!).
3) Legolas, 62cm set up in Rando mode with brifters, Nitto M12-like rack and 
Acorn handlebar bag, Carradice saddlebag, Longboard fenders, dynamo hub & 
light, 32mm tires,  31.5 lbs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

You mean 27+++ lb of co-pilot, right? :)


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Stowe  wrote:

> 58cm Sam Hillborne: 41 lb including pump and tool bag which are always on
> the bike; normally I ride with 5.9 lb. of locks and some water as well, so
> call it 48 lb. Then add my laptop bag with everyday carrying-around stuff,
> so call it 55 lb. for a regular commute. Then stuff the same bag with
> diapers, wipes and baby snacks, and 5 lb. of baby seat, and 27+++ lb. of
> baby, and you're up in the 90 lb. range. Oh wait, we stopped for groceries, a
> gallon of milk weighs 8.7 lb
> ...
> are we still counting grams on the bike?
>
>
> 
> Yep, the Sam Hillborne is a "do everything" bike!
>
> Mostly complete build list:
> 58cm Sam Hillborne (DTT), stock headset, seatpost, bottom bracket
> Wheels: SON and WI hubs, Dyad rims, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700cx35
> Drivetrain: Sneaker pedals, Sugino triple 175mm, Shimano 9sp
> chain/cassette, Shimano something road triple FD, Deore LX RapidRise RD
> Brakes: Tektro R559
> Cockpit: Bosco Bullmoose bars, Miesha's grips, Shimano MTB levers and
> bar-end shifters, bracket for the baby seat
> Saddle: Brooks B17 Natural
> Racks: Pass & Stow front, Tubus Cosmo rear (with some bungies/straps
> living on them, just in case)
> Lights: B&M IQ CYO front, Toplight Line Brake rear, Planet Bike Superflash
> for backup/extra viz. in the rear
> Fenders: VO stainless steel 45mm, Sackville mudflaps (missing one at the
> moment, so add a few oz. I guess)
> Kickstand: Pletscher twin-legger (tossed the rubber feet a few days ago,
> because the legs had punched through the bottom)
> Topeak frame pump, Acorn tool roll with assorted tools, Carradice Bike
> Bureau
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, the "Unbearable Lightness of Being"! I want to play, too, but I've been
out of town. Will weight and list and post before this thread dies.

Patrick "and if I don't, who cares?"Moore


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:48 PM, eflayer  wrote:

> FS: 2009 Specialized Roubaix Pro frameset, 61 cm, XXL, with threaded
> bottom bracket. Nearly 100% perfect condition. $800 shipped. Feel the
> lightness of being.
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Joe Broach]

63 Riv Canti-Rom
28.5 pounds with pump and lights but without toolkit and usual around town
load
more or less stock build except
nitto m12 front rack
aerohead wheelset with SON front hub and Phil freewheel rear
B17

Following Grant's rule for stating bike weights, rider weighs about 5x the
bike. I also have a Rawland Nordavinden built up about 4 pounds lighter. I
can't tell the weight difference between them, so I guess my tolerance is
at least +/- 4 pounds.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Clayton, that is EPIC.  Those fierce pannier flair bits are particularly
> cool.  Tell us about your frame decals?
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:59:37 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 36.6 Lbs for my Atlantis with fenders, Nitto mini front rack, Tubus front
>> and rear racks, Brooks special, USE suspension seatpost, rear mount
>> kickstand and two (one medium and one small) home made frame bags, and
>> Profile aero bars without the extensions. As shown? Grocery store trip (IT
>> is my car)...probably 85-90 lbs. Thankfully no hills.
>>
>> Clayton
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

Magic 40! Now we're talkin!


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
> 
> My Bombadil:
>
> 56cm Bomba
> 32 hole Synergy rims, XT hubs, force field Fatty Rumpkin
> Sugino Mity 900 cranks, Thin Gripsters, XTR Rear der, campy front
> 8sp Shimano barcons
> CR720 brakes, SRAM levers
> Noodles, Nitto Lugged Stem
> Brooks B17 Nitto S83 post
> Nitto Big Front and Big Rear Racks
> Jandd panniers (empty)
> Wald big front basket
> Sackville Large Shopsack (empty)
> 2 King Cages
> Brass Bell
> SKS Fenders, Kickstand
>
> Using the same bathroom scale that says my Rawland is 21.0 lbs, she weighs
> in at.40.5 lbs
>
> I freaking love that bike.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 4, 2014 8:10:00 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> I like what you had to say about utility.  I agree that a truly stripped
>> down bike that is often not enough bike for the job is kind of lame.  That
>> said, a stripped down bike that is just enough bike for a stripped down
>> application can be cool, too.  Anyway, the only build I have that I sweated
>> the weight is not a Rivendell.  It's my main brevet bike.  I list it here,
>> at the risk of being too far OT, just because it's a build kit that could
>> work just as well on a Rivendell.  The summary highlight is that it's a
>> steel frameset, wide tires, all metal parts, a front rack and decaleur,
>> dynamo hub, front and rear lights, full coverage fenders and fender flap,
>> and a bell, and still weighs 21.0 lbs.  It features a lot of nice MUSA
>> parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> My Rawland Stag
>> Frameset: Rawland Stag Size Large (58cm), Jeff Lyon custom threadless
>> fork, Miche headset
>>
>> Wheelset:  White T11 R hub, Schmidt front, Pacenti PL23 rims, Pari-moto
>> tires, Schwalbe SV14A tubes (from Riv), allen key skewers
>>
>> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse cranks, Ultegra SPD pedals, Dura Ace 10sp F+R
>> Ders, and DT shifters.  SRAM 11-26 cassette and chain, WI Ti BB.
>>
>> Components:  Soba bars, Kelly Stem, CR720 brakes (from Riv), modified
>> Tektro brakelevers, Paul Funky Monkey hangers, Ultegra Seatpost, Selle
>> Italia SLR Ti saddle, newbaums tape (from Riv)
>>
>> Extras:  Grand Bois rack, Berthoud decaleur, hanging Edelux headlamp
>> (from Riv), Ti King Cages (from Riv), alloy crane bell, Honjo hammered
>> fenders, homemade flap, Pixeo battery powered taillight.
>>
>> The only carbon bit on the bike is the rear derailer pulley cage has some
>> carbon.  I did a few weight shaving tricks in the build.  I had been
>> shooting for under 19lbs when the fenders and lights were off, but as you
>> could predict, I never ride it with the fenders and lights removed, so who
>> knows whether I actually made it.  :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 4, 2014 2:15:10 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, I don't have a scale.
>>>
>>> Observations from the real world on last week's group ride: I didn't
>>> have to ride around standing water from recent rainfall to avoid striping
>>> my back, didn't have to ride around gravel on the roadway in places where
>>> streets had been torn up but not yet repaved, I was not unnerved by uneven
>>> road surfaces descending and I stopped to provide aid with my full-size
>>> frame pump to a rider on a CF super light who had a flat to a 23c tire and
>>> flubbed his CO2 thingy and had no other way to air up the new tube. As we
>>> rode back to the tail of the group I enjoyed my second bottle of water on
>>> the subsequent climb, CF guy stopped at a trash can along the river path
>>> and discarded both the tube and the empty gas bulbs. "Weighing me down".
>>> Yeah.
>>>
>>> I'll weigh my Rambouillet sometime and it'll be a number. I tend to
>>> think of it as bringing enough bike when the peripherals draw weight
>>> consternation from the obsessive camp.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
 weigh.

 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
 fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
 is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
 build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
 not expected.

 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.

 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate fo

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Anne Paulson]

The San Marcos build weight sounds like it might be too good to be true.
21.5 pounds for a double top tube bike with a triple and a kickstand?


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Those Atlantis and San Marcos weights are really impressive.  That
> Atlantis build has basically nothing light on it, has full-on heavy wheels,
> and still is only 26 pounds?  That's a big surprise.   The San Marcos would
> be under 20lbs if you took off the kickstand, pump and seat bag?  That's
> incredible.  I never would have thought that possible.  It's got 2 top
> tubes for gosh sake!  There are pounds to be taken off both builds, but
> 'reasonable' is in the eye of the beholder.  I assume you mean reasonable
> in dollars.  Chasing grams on a perfectly good build is a fool's errand.
>  Chasing grams from a blank sheet of paper is bad enough.
>
> On Monday, August 4, 2014 12:06:47 PM UTC-7, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> I was happy with my gravel grinding Atlantis until I saw Bill's 21# Stag.
>>  I will post the build and if anyone sees a reasonable way to save weight,
>> I am open to suggestions.  I was really impressed with how light the San
>> Marcos is.
>>
>> Atlantis
>> 61
>> 26# with Nitto R-14
>> Sugino triple
>> 9-speed
>> Paul's Touring Retro brakes
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Sele Anatomica Titantico-X
>> Soba bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seat post
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Mavic A119 rims 36 spokes
>> Shimano LX hubs
>> Continental SpeedRIDE 700x42 tires
>> King SS bottle cages
>> brass bell, Garmin mount, Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 21.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>> 1996 Santana Noventa
>> 60 x 47 fillet-brazed Columbus Encore
>> 48# with Jandd rack
>> Custom built for a 6'5" x 5'4" 400# team, but it fits our 6' x 5'3" 300#
>> team well enough.  Saving up for a new (lighter) set of wheels.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>>> weigh.
>>>
>>> Would be informative to know:
>>> 1. Model
>>> 2. Framesize
>>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>>> not expected.
>>>
>>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>>
>>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

I always include bags, racks, and locks, because, well, I am going to ride
somewhere, aren't I?


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Those Atlantis and San Marcos weights are really impressive.  That
> Atlantis build has basically nothing light on it, has full-on heavy wheels,
> and still is only 26 pounds?  That's a big surprise.   The San Marcos would
> be under 20lbs if you took off the kickstand, pump and seat bag?  That's
> incredible.  I never would have thought that possible.  It's got 2 top
> tubes for gosh sake!  There are pounds to be taken off both builds, but
> 'reasonable' is in the eye of the beholder.  I assume you mean reasonable
> in dollars.  Chasing grams on a perfectly good build is a fool's errand.
>  Chasing grams from a blank sheet of paper is bad enough.
>
> On Monday, August 4, 2014 12:06:47 PM UTC-7, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> I was happy with my gravel grinding Atlantis until I saw Bill's 21# Stag.
>>  I will post the build and if anyone sees a reasonable way to save weight,
>> I am open to suggestions.  I was really impressed with how light the San
>> Marcos is.
>>
>> Atlantis
>> 61
>> 26# with Nitto R-14
>> Sugino triple
>> 9-speed
>> Paul's Touring Retro brakes
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Sele Anatomica Titantico-X
>> Soba bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seat post
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Mavic A119 rims 36 spokes
>> Shimano LX hubs
>> Continental SpeedRIDE 700x42 tires
>> King SS bottle cages
>> brass bell, Garmin mount, Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 21.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>> 1996 Santana Noventa
>> 60 x 47 fillet-brazed Columbus Encore
>> 48# with Jandd rack
>> Custom built for a 6'5" x 5'4" 400# team, but it fits our 6' x 5'3" 300#
>> team well enough.  Saving up for a new (lighter) set of wheels.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>>> weigh.
>>>
>>> Would be informative to know:
>>> 1. Model
>>> 2. Framesize
>>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>>> not expected.
>>>
>>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>>
>>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[cyclotourist]

Thanks!
http://www.cafepress.com/copenhagenchic.503775045


Cheers,
David

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On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> Those stickers are available from Cycle Chic through Cafe Press.  I
> absolutely had to have one when I saw it.
>
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:10:57 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Where did you get that sticker???
>> Awesomeness!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
 frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
 weigh.

 Would be informative to know:
 1. Model
 2. Framesize
 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including fenders/
 bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since dismantle-ization would be
 unfair to expect of a complete build. But no bags/bottles on board, 
 please).
 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
 what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
 not expected.

 I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
 So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.

 And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
 Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
 a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Marc Irwin]

Those stickers are available from Cycle Chic through Cafe Press.  I 
absolutely had to have one when I saw it.  

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:10:57 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Where did you get that sticker??? 
> Awesomeness!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Irwin  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
>>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
>>> weigh.
>>>  
>>> Would be informative to know:
>>> 1. Model
>>> 2. Framesize
>>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells 
>>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete 
>>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
>>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
>>> not expected.
>>>  
>>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>>  
>>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
>>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
>>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Robert F Harrison]

And I can't figure out if it should be with racks, bags, and baskets...and if 
so, which racks, bags, and baskets?

In any case my Hunq, with motor, feels about a half pound lighter than it did 
this morning before my 20 mile ride. Does that count?

Aloha, Bob

On August 3, 2014, at 2:42PM, Garth wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Goshen Peter]

My bombadil is a large sturdy friend who is always there to get me home. I
won't shame him by outing his heft. 😉
On Aug 3, 2014 8:42 PM, "Garth"  wrote:

>
>Lol :)
>
>Some things are better left unsaid, so said my Bombadil  !
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Tom Harrop]

20 lb eh? I weighed my 68 cm Bomba with racks and lock but no bags recently 
when I was considering boxing it up to ship to myself. SON dyno front hub, 
Phil Wood rear, 60 mm Big Apples, Berthoud SS fenders. It was 18 kg and 
change. I put an Ursus Jumbo kickstand on today, so I'm thinking I might 
have tipped 20 kg... If I go past a public weighbridge anytime soon I'll 
weigh in and report back!

Heavy-ass bike yes, but I don't think there's one single component I would 
want to remove. Everything's paying its way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[William!]

Measured as I ride them, on my bathroom scale:

58cm Roadeo with Brooks swallow, mavic 32h wheels with green jack browns, 
misc spd clipless, sram force group, soba bars, acorn saddle bag, 
flat/spare/toolkit: 20.5lbs

61cm Atlantis with Shimano Deore/Sugino/Tektro/Silver 'group', beefy 36h 
wheels with shimano dyno hub, fenders, B&M eyc dyno light, brooks b17, jack 
brown blues, mks 'battle axe' grip king pedals, tubus cosmo rear rack, v. 
old large baggins bag, small berthoud from RBW garage sale containing 
flat/spare/toolkit, u-lock and saddle-security-cable: 31lbs.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:10:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Where did you get that sticker??? 
> Awesomeness!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Irwin  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
>>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
>>> weigh.
>>>  
>>> Would be informative to know:
>>> 1. Model
>>> 2. Framesize
>>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells 
>>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete 
>>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see 
>>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and 
>>> not expected.
>>>  
>>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>>  
>>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
>>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
>>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[cyclotourist]

Where did you get that sticker???
Awesomeness!

Cheers,
David

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On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

>
>
> I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Chris Chen]

Well that was easy.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9096121718/in/photostream/


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

>
>
> I'm afraid to even find out about the Hunq.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or
>> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes
>> weigh.
>>
>> Would be informative to know:
>> 1. Model
>> 2. Framesize
>> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. (Including 
>> fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells
>> is ok since dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete
>> build. But no bags/bottles on board, please).
>> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see
>> what everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and
>> not expected.
>>
>> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
>> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>>
>> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for
>> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on
>> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>>
>>
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