Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Yeah, that covers it. Grant's been about maximizing brake clearance ever since he started Riv. The all 'rounder with canti brakes concept has always been part of it, and with each longer-reach sidepull that's been introduced, Rivendell has introduced an appropriate frame. The Heron road was designed to maximize the short reach brake that was the only thing available at the time. When the mid-reach brakes came out, the Rambioullet replaced the Heron Road. And the Saluki was a twofer, introducing both the current superlong sidepull brake and 650b. This frame lives on in the AHH. Each succesive Rivendell has also gotten a bit slacker, tourey/all roadier and a bit stouter. The Roadeo is a throwback to the sportier Rivs like the Heron road and Rambouillet, steeper, lighter, but with the long reach and tire/fender clearances that have become available the last few years. I personally think the Roadeo is the best pavement-oriented Riv ever made. If I didn't already have a Heron Road and a Rambouillet, I would buy one. Steve On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea. I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers. When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen. The Hilsen kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) range. Here's an interesting image or two - The Rambouillet rear clearance - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and Dia Compe 505Q brake. The Hilsen rear clearance - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes. As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ScfPUZY0N6MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Ah, darn! I made one of those catastrophic typos. The quote below is supposed to say: NOT necessarily in awesomeness! In other words, while it lacks one functional element of the other two models, the Ram still might be the most awesome for me. On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Neat. That's good to know. What year frame? I know that my first generation, orange Ram with standard reach Ultegra brakes does not have room for fenders over its JB's, and we've pretty consistently heard that from others. But the brakes you mention came along later, so there might not be a lot of Rams that have them. Like the Rambouillet needed to be any more awesome! But just to clarify something: when you say Silver brakes, you mean brakes like the Tektro Bigmouth 57's and not the Bigmouth 73's, right? I think the only brake called Silver (as opposed to Tektro) are the longer than standard reach 57-73 versions, and those never fit on the Rambouillet, did they? -Jim W. On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:05 AM, Bruce Curry wrote: Point of order on fenders on Ram: All I have 33.3 Jack Browns with fenders (45mm stainless VO's). The silver brakes probably help w/clearance. Took a couple hours to install/tweak but worth it. Bruce On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders. Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -Original Message- From: Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on the Ram on his website http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around the Silver brake) and a few other differences. Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. hope that helps. On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
You can put the 73 mm Tektro brakes on a Ram, with pads at the top of the slot. Somebody said the Roadeo is much lighter, but I doubt that much lighter is more than a couple ounces (part of which is DT shifter bosses). Most Rams had what I would describe as sport-touring componentry. Put lightweight race stuff on it and it could also be sub-20lb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UEeFj5PTmMUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
So, how does the Ram compare with the Roadeo in fast pavement performance? Would someone who wants a (1) 700c, (2) light-ish, (3) derailleur Rivendell for fast-ish road riding be better off with a Roadeo or a Ram? I realize that the Ram is no longer made, so we are comparing a new Roadeo with a used Ram. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Ryan: There was a thread a couple of years (or more?) back entitled Is the Ram the perfect bike? or something similar. Generated a lot of responses. Check the archives. dougP On Apr 11, 10:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders. Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -Original Message- From: Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on the Ram on his website http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around the Silver brake) and a few other differences. Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. hope that helps. On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Great point. When the Ram came out, things had not evolved as much as they are now. Much has happened since 2001 when the Ram was hatched. The Ram was the best at the time for versatility in a road bikeeven though it "only" had standard reach brakes - but hey, way more versatile than short reach. And in 2002 we were saying, "fingers crossed, I think Shimano's gonna make an Ultegra in Standard, oh please, oh please, oh please." And then it happened! Within the next year, I got my Ram, and got those Ultegras. I was (and still am) so happy with the versatility, but I had no idea that just afew years later, clearances were going to widen even more. Similarly, rack options have evolved with more mini-racks, so while you can still do a lot with a Ram, things have gotten even better. The midstay braze-ons made it onto the very last Rams made but not the earlier ones. Those are cool. So the Ram blazed trails even thought its successors are slightly more versatile. It's like that older player in the league who inspired the younger superstars, but the old dude can still hang with them. -Original Message- From: Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@earthlink.net>Sent: Apr 11, 2012 11:56 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea. I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for "standard reach brakes" from the major manufacturers. When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen. The Hilsen kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) range.Here's an interesting image or two - The Rambouillet rear clearance - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpgShown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and Dia Compe 505Q brake.The Hilsen rear clearance - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpgShown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes.As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet- Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ScfPUZY0N6MJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram. -Original Message- From: Michael_S <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com>Sent: Apr 11, 2012 12:26 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? From what I recall ( having owned a Ram) that the Ram and Hilsen were both made from the same wall thicknesstubing ( 8-5-8). The Roadeo has thinner tubing from what I read. The Hilsen had better tire clearances. My Ram would only barely fit a Jack Brown in front w/o fender. The back would fit a 37mm Pasela. Some of the last Ram's had mid fork braze on's too. It was a great riding bike, the lack of clearance in front led to me selling it. ~mikeOn Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just aHilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lN1AJ096v5IJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram. Great info. Thanks. - Ryan On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:37:40 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: Big-sized Roadeos have same tubing thickness as Ram. -Original Message- From: Michael_S Sent: Apr 11, 2012 12:26 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? From what I recall ( having owned a Ram) that the Ram and Hilsen were both made from the same wall thickness tubing ( 8-5-8). The Roadeo has thinner tubing from what I read. The Hilsen had better tire clearances. My Ram would only barely fit a Jack Brown in front w/o fender. The back would fit a 37mm Pasela. Some of the last Ram's had mid fork braze on's too. It was a great riding bike, the lack of clearance in front led to me selling it. ~mike On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lN1AJ096v5IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/B_El_5yHvb0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
In the largest size (size region where the OP is interested), the Ram and Roadeo are pretty similar: Same angles in seat and head tube, same toptube, 1 cm different in chainstay, 4 mm different in BB drop, not sure of the trail, but I'll be they are similar. -Original Message- From: JL subfas...@gmail.com The Roadeo has geometry similar to the original Road Standard and almost identical to the Legolas. The Geometry of the Roadeo is not very similar to the the Ram although they both has similar tire clearance. The Roadeo has steeper head tube and seat tube anlges as well as a shorter top tube and lighter tubing than the Ram/Rom. The two bikes feel different. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Do you have those spec from the Ram handy? Not that it matters. I rode it, loved it. - Ryan On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:48:10 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: In the largest size (size region where the OP is interested), the Ram and Roadeo are pretty similar: Same angles in seat and head tube, same toptube, 1 cm different in chainstay, 4 mm different in BB drop, not sure of the trail, but I'll be they are similar. -Original Message- From: JL subfas...@gmail.com The Roadeo has geometry similar to the original Road Standard and almost identical to the Legolas. The Geometry of the Roadeo is not very similar to the the Ram although they both has similar tire clearance. The Roadeo has steeper head tube and seat tube anlges as well as a shorter top tube and lighter tubing than the Ram/Rom. The two bikes feel different. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QRyvl-bRPHwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
I have both the Ram and (hilsen) Saluki. The lugsets, tubing, and geometries are a bit different. My Ram is currently (unfendered) running 37 mm Paselas with apparent space to maybe put a 38 in. I have not tried. It's heavier than a Roadro and more versatile. Mine has 9k miles of happy riding on it. Sent from my Kindle Fire _ From: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com Sent: Wed Apr 11 17:25:04 CDT 2012 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? I think Grant always wants to design and promote versatility, no matter which end of the spectrum he is designing at. When I bought my Ram, Riv literature touted its ability as both a smooth fast road bike and a stable trail bike. Likewise they promoted the Atlantis as a touring bike that was fine for brevets. None of that was untrue but the Atlantis excels as a touring bike and the Rambouillet as a fast club or brevet bike. I've been riding for more than 40 years and I have never had a bike I loved more than my Rambouillet, and a couple of years ago, I reconfigured it as a go fast, long days in the saddle bike: http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100094 The Ram is absolutely ideal with 28-30 mm tires, nice Al fenders and the breeze in your face. The AHH and the Rodeo clearly bracket the Ram. One is slightly stouter and handles noticeably bigger tires and the other more flexible with just a smidge more tire clearance. The AHH is built to be more stable under load and the Rodeo more agile when you are jumping across hills. I've never seen the Rodeo in person and have wondered how Grant fit 33.3 mm tires under 57 mm brakes??!! I recently put a set of Jack Brown's on my Ebisu All Arounder and just love the ride. I think I'd like a bike that was as responsive as my Ram and as comfortable as jack Browns on a dirt road. Of course their is alway a problem when one wants everything! Michael On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:56:20 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea. I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers. When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen. The Hilsen kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) range. Here's an interesting image or two - The Rambouillet rear clearance - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and Dia Compe 505Q brake. The Hilsen rear clearance - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes. As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LMqbsgrQG9gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Is this real? I'm well aware of modifications and variations, but I'm still pretty surpised to see a 2TT Ram. I know there have been some repaired with second tubes added, but I didn't know they ever got the standard decals and paint. Pretty cool! And it looks good. -Original Message- From: Ryan Ray <ryanr...@gmail.com>Sent: Apr 11, 2012 4:02 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Somehow we've completely missed a big difference between the Hilsen and the Ram. (attached photo) On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just aHilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fNm2xEZZPwMJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Ha! No that's my 30 second photoshop job there :) But that would be a big difference between the Ram and a modern Hilsen. - Ryan On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:10:48 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: Is this real? I'm well aware of modifications and variations, but I'm still pretty surpised to see a 2TT Ram. I know there have been some repaired with second tubes added, but I didn't know they ever got the standard decals and paint. Pretty cool! And it looks good. -Original Message- From: Ryan Ray Sent: Apr 11, 2012 4:02 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Somehow we've completely missed a big difference between the Hilsen and the Ram. (attached photo) On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fNm2xEZZPwMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LPGgaRjHUS0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
For me, I'd LOVE to own either one, a Ram or a Roadeo. The fact that every once in a while you see a used Ram for $800 in my size makes me think I might end up with one someday. If I ever buy a Roadeo, I'd probably beg and pay for mid fork braze ons, and DT shifter bosses. On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:12:37 PM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote: Ha! No that's my 30 second photoshop job there :) But that would be a big difference between the Ram and a modern Hilsen. - Ryan On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:10:48 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: Is this real? I'm well aware of modifications and variations, but I'm still pretty surpised to see a 2TT Ram. I know there have been some repaired with second tubes added, but I didn't know they ever got the standard decals and paint. Pretty cool! And it looks good. -Original Message- From: Ryan Ray Sent: Apr 11, 2012 4:02 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Somehow we've completely missed a big difference between the Hilsen and the Ram. (attached photo) On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:33:04 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fNm2xEZZPwMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/c_6KU5Ffc-IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
