Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Dave Grossman]

The Wald 139 is no jokeneither is the bag..the 
worlds smallest 5 year old fits just fine.


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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[James Davis]

Thanks, Keith!

JGD

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:23 AM 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you James-I couldn’t have put it better!
>
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, James Davis  wrote:
>
> Carl, I hear you. Sometimes these objects do feel like they create an
> exclusive culture. I would argue that they are just part of one of the many
> bicycling subcultures that exist in our consumer capitalist culture.
> However, those cyclists don’t represent the everyday bicyclist and those
> objects may be a part of a different purchasing decision making process.
>
> It’s likely that many ordinary people who ride and use jand or Wald
> products don’t even interact with instagram bicycle culture, so those
> companies don’t need to market their goods on that platform. I’m sure that
> if those companies saw an economic benefit in joining that platform they
> would. It also helps that those older companies have relationships
> developed with bike shops across the country and have been making bike
> products for a long time, which helps with their established distribution
> channels.
>
> For younger bicycle businesses, like swift makeshifter and bags x bird, IG
> is a relatively free promotional platform to reach people who may be
> interested in their handcrafted goods. These items are only seen as high
> end because their price reflects the real price of a small group of people
> making hand crafted items with quality materials at a smaller
> scale(something I have learned as the partner of an owner of a small scale
> clothing line owner). They are talking directly to and with the bicycle
> culture that may be interested in their goods on that platform. I’m
> thankful that they have that platform to be able to make their businesses a
> reality. I am sure a significant portion of their sales comes from that
> platform. I just bought a saddle bag from make shifter, because I believe
> in paying up for a product made by a person I can talk directly with. It’s
> the same reason why I buy rivendells. It’s a privilege for sure, but one
> that I believe is important.
>
> It’s tough because that IG culture does feel like it leaves a lot of folks
> out. However, like any subculture of folks interested in a practice, it
> only looks like it is more predominant because they are saavy media users.
> I would liken it to the punk subculture or the Grateful Dead subculture. I
> suppose that’s why I like this list a lot. It’s united by a just ride
> ethos, rather than an object. There are a ton of people on this list that
> have riv-I-fied their non-riv bikes. However, I suppose that we are another
> bike subculture that also appears exclusive to other folks looking at us. I
> know I have felt like my lack of technical expertise made me a riv-rider
> that didn’t quite fit.
>
> Anyways, I hope this all makes sense. I just wanted to add my two cents
> worth of thoughts. Feel free to throw it in the dustbin of history if it
> isn’t useful to y’all. All my best to all of you and your families.
>
> James “Overthinking things for Decades” Gardner Davis
> Denver, CO
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM tuolumnebikes 
> wrote:
>
>> Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428
>> followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them
>> since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers.
>> Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with
>> their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing.
>>
>> My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for
>> the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of
>> training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent
>> ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people
>> of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike
>> riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and
>> coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at
>> modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day?
>>
>> On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> > Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come
>> across there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making
>> that site a big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure.
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you James-I couldn’t have put it better!

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, James Davis  wrote:
> 
> Carl, I hear you. Sometimes these objects do feel like they create an 
> exclusive culture. I would argue that they are just part of one of the many 
> bicycling subcultures that exist in our consumer capitalist culture. However, 
> those cyclists don’t represent the everyday bicyclist and those objects may 
> be a part of a different purchasing decision making process.
> 
> It’s likely that many ordinary people who ride and use jand or Wald products 
> don’t even interact with instagram bicycle culture, so those companies don’t 
> need to market their goods on that platform. I’m sure that if those companies 
> saw an economic benefit in joining that platform they would. It also helps 
> that those older companies have relationships developed with bike shops 
> across the country and have been making bike products for a long time, which 
> helps with their established distribution channels.
> 
> For younger bicycle businesses, like swift makeshifter and bags x bird, IG is 
> a relatively free promotional platform to reach people who may be interested 
> in their handcrafted goods. These items are only seen as high end because 
> their price reflects the real price of a small group of people making hand 
> crafted items with quality materials at a smaller scale(something I have 
> learned as the partner of an owner of a small scale clothing line owner). 
> They are talking directly to and with the bicycle culture that may be 
> interested in their goods on that platform. I’m thankful that they have that 
> platform to be able to make their businesses a reality. I am sure a 
> significant portion of their sales comes from that platform. I just bought a 
> saddle bag from make shifter, because I believe in paying up for a product 
> made by a person I can talk directly with. It’s the same reason why I buy 
> rivendells. It’s a privilege for sure, but one that I believe is important.
> 
> It’s tough because that IG culture does feel like it leaves a lot of folks 
> out. However, like any subculture of folks interested in a practice, it only 
> looks like it is more predominant because they are saavy media users. I would 
> liken it to the punk subculture or the Grateful Dead subculture. I suppose 
> that’s why I like this list a lot. It’s united by a just ride ethos, rather 
> than an object. There are a ton of people on this list that have riv-I-fied 
> their non-riv bikes. However, I suppose that we are another bike subculture 
> that also appears exclusive to other folks looking at us. I know I have felt 
> like my lack of technical expertise made me a riv-rider that didn’t quite fit.
> 
> Anyways, I hope this all makes sense. I just wanted to add my two cents worth 
> of thoughts. Feel free to throw it in the dustbin of history if it isn’t 
> useful to y’all. All my best to all of you and your families.
> 
> James “Overthinking things for Decades” Gardner Davis
> Denver, CO
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM tuolumnebikes  > wrote:
> Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428 
> followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them 
> since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers. 
> Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with 
> their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing.
> 
> My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for 
> the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of 
> training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent 
> ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people 
> of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike 
> riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and 
> coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at 
> modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day?
> 
> On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come across 
> > there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making that site 
> > a big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[James Davis]

Carl, I hear you. Sometimes these objects do feel like they create an
exclusive culture. I would argue that they are just part of one of the many
bicycling subcultures that exist in our consumer capitalist culture.
However, those cyclists don’t represent the everyday bicyclist and those
objects may be a part of a different purchasing decision making process.

It’s likely that many ordinary people who ride and use jand or Wald
products don’t even interact with instagram bicycle culture, so those
companies don’t need to market their goods on that platform. I’m sure that
if those companies saw an economic benefit in joining that platform they
would. It also helps that those older companies have relationships
developed with bike shops across the country and have been making bike
products for a long time, which helps with their established distribution
channels.

For younger bicycle businesses, like swift makeshifter and bags x bird, IG
is a relatively free promotional platform to reach people who may be
interested in their handcrafted goods. These items are only seen as high
end because their price reflects the real price of a small group of people
making hand crafted items with quality materials at a smaller
scale(something I have learned as the partner of an owner of a small scale
clothing line owner). They are talking directly to and with the bicycle
culture that may be interested in their goods on that platform. I’m
thankful that they have that platform to be able to make their businesses a
reality. I am sure a significant portion of their sales comes from that
platform. I just bought a saddle bag from make shifter, because I believe
in paying up for a product made by a person I can talk directly with. It’s
the same reason why I buy rivendells. It’s a privilege for sure, but one
that I believe is important.

It’s tough because that IG culture does feel like it leaves a lot of folks
out. However, like any subculture of folks interested in a practice, it
only looks like it is more predominant because they are saavy media users.
I would liken it to the punk subculture or the Grateful Dead subculture. I
suppose that’s why I like this list a lot. It’s united by a just ride
ethos, rather than an object. There are a ton of people on this list that
have riv-I-fied their non-riv bikes. However, I suppose that we are another
bike subculture that also appears exclusive to other folks looking at us. I
know I have felt like my lack of technical expertise made me a riv-rider
that didn’t quite fit.

Anyways, I hope this all makes sense. I just wanted to add my two cents
worth of thoughts. Feel free to throw it in the dustbin of history if it
isn’t useful to y’all. All my best to all of you and your families.

James “Overthinking things for Decades” Gardner Davis
Denver, CO

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM tuolumnebikes 
wrote:

> Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428
> followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them
> since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers.
> Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with
> their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing.
>
> My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for
> the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of
> training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent
> ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people
> of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike
> riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and
> coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at
> modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day?
>
> On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come
> across there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making
> that site a big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[tuolumnebikes]

Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428 
followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them 
since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers. 
Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with 
their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing.


My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for 
the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of 
training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent 
ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people 
of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike 
riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and 
coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at 
modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day?


On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come across 
there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making that site a 
big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure.



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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Joe Bernard]

Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come across 
there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making that site a 
big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure. 

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[tuolumne bikes]

I agree with Eric and with most of the comments in response about the value 
of the local bags. It's great that the market meets so many needs. What I 
have issue with is the contradiction between wanting to widen the scope of 
biking past the stereotypes (roadie, etc) but then pushing marketing/style 
that effectively excludes those that either can't afford top shelf or that 
enjoy riding but just aren't *obsessed* with bikes and bike stuff. When do 
we invite the basic family bike shop Wald/Jandd/cheaper yet folks to the 
groovy Instagram party?  

I don't expect manufacturers to not market their products, but being 
inclusive as a community might mean we don't need all our stuff to be 
exclusive.

Carl, Columbia, CA

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:04:48 AM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I’m referring to any $200 bag made in San Francisco of organic hemp and 
> compostable plastic buckles, vs. the $50 Wald bag (and that cost includes 
> the basket). 
>
> Sorry, I just get a little burned out by bag preciousness :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and 
>> Porcelain Rocket when I searched. Thanks. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and 
>> I really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under 
>> rated and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR) > > wrote:
>>
>>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. 
>>> The large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They 
>>> hold up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you 
>>> can fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very 
>>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the 
>>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much 
>>> to compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tim 
>>> PDX
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Robert Tilley]

  I just received a BXB Goldback saddlebag to use as part of my bikepacking setup. I have had many Carradice and Riv saddlebags over the years and still have a bunch but I think this one is the most well thought out and I can't find any flaws in the construction.Is it worth the $100 or so premium over a Nelson Longflap? I think so but I like bags and am willing to pay a bit more for minor improvements. Which is why I own a Riv or two I guess. I doubt I'll ever own any Berthoud bags but I definitely appreciate their work. Beautiful bags. I am missing a Wald bag in my bag pile so maybe it's time to get that hole filled.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: sini...@msn.comSent: April 7, 2020 2:17 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Wald Bag  I also think that Swift. Outer Shell, Ruthworks, ILE, etc. are priced to allow livable wages where the bag makers live, which I think is a very important factor.FranklynOn Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at similar quality and size levels. 



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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought a full set of panniers and a saddlebag from Swift when they were still 
working out of their house. I took the saddlebag in this summer to have the 
snaps replaced which they did at no charge-great people to work with. Not 
inexpensive, but I’d venture to guess that Wald’s labor costs are half of 
theirs, not to mention their rent downtown. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, franklyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> I also think that Swift. Outer Shell, Ruthworks, ILE, etc. are priced to 
> allow livable wages where the bag makers live, which I think is a very 
> important factor.
> 
> Franklyn
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at similar 
>> quality and size levels.
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Jason Fuller]

Yeah their stuff is pretty expensive, but not over-priced.  Might be 
overkill for a lot of people though (not unlike a $1500 lugged steel 
frameset ;) ). Pricing is definitely a product of quality of materials and 
MUSA labour, and their stuff is more labour-intensive to make than a shop 
sack, of course. I know they have never been racking in the dough from 
them, and they are struggling right now along with many companies. 

There are so many good quality bag-makers for purpose-built cycling 
adventures these days, I love it. You can generally find a local-ish maker 
to support, no matter where you're living.

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[franklyn]

I also think that Swift. Outer Shell, Ruthworks, ILE, etc. are priced to 
allow livable wages where the bag makers live, which I think is a very 
important factor.

Franklyn

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> Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at 
> similar quality and size levels. 

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Joe Bernard]

Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at similar 
quality and size levels. 

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Fryfam]

Hard to beat Wald or Carradice.

Swift is overpriced but great marketing, imo. I'll probably get criticized 
for saying so... 

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Yes it is $60 shipped with the full basket and mounting struts and a bag!  
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Dave Grossman]

Yes it is $60 shipped with the full basket and mounting struts and a bag!  

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Eric Daume]

I’m referring to any $200 bag made in San Francisco of organic hemp and
compostable plastic buckles, vs. the $50 Wald bag (and that cost includes
the basket).

Sorry, I just get a little burned out by bag preciousness :)

Eric

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and Porcelain
> Rocket when I searched. Thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and
> I really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under
> rated and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
> timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting.
>> The large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They
>> hold up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you
>> can fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very
>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the
>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much
>> to compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tim
>> PDX
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Jason Fuller]

I don't have a shop sack, but I can offer a hearty endorsement for the Swift 
Sugarloaf, which I've used as a daily carry for about four years now. It's more 
expensive and smaller volume (I think), but also made in USA, top notch 
quality, nearly waterproof, and has some organization pockets etc. I'd like to 
have a shop sack too for groceries and the like, but I can only justify so many 
bags 

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Dave Grossman]

Thanks Justin, yes, I was referring to the Wald made bags.  I am going to 
be using my old Trek 412 as a fixed gear commuter/errand bike and I was 
going to order a rack from Wald direct yesterday when I saw their bags.  
Based on the feedback from Tim and Eric, I'm in for one.  Thanks y'all.

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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I think Dave was asking about the Wald-made basket bags:

https://waldsports.com/store/bags-and-liners/



On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:55:12 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Riv's Sackville ShopSack large and medium are likely my favorite and most 
> used bags... for many things bike and not bike.
>
> Medium is great for Wald 137; Large is v. large and fits Wald large 
> basket. Durable, water resistant (water can and does go through the zipper 
> in sustained rain). I like how the newer ones have a small zip pocket 
> inside for wallet, keys, phone, etc. 
>
> Large makes for a nice overnight bag or beach bag. 
>
> Before COVID-19, I used the ShopSacks for grocery shopping. Perfect for 
> that use. 
>
> I also have a ClembaSack. It's nice for the same ShopSack reasons with the 
> limitation that the handles are just a little too short for me to pull 
> easily over my shoulder.
>
> Good luck!
> Shoji
>
>
>   
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:17:13 AM UTC-4, Keith Swanson wrote:
>>
>> Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and 
>> Porcelain Rocket when I searched. Thanks. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and 
>> I really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under 
>> rated and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR)  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. 
>>> The large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They 
>>> hold up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you 
>>> can fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very 
>>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the 
>>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much 
>>> to compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tim 
>>> PDX
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Shoji Takahashi]

Riv's Sackville ShopSack large and medium are likely my favorite and most 
used bags... for many things bike and not bike.

Medium is great for Wald 137; Large is v. large and fits Wald large basket. 
Durable, water resistant (water can and does go through the zipper in 
sustained rain). I like how the newer ones have a small zip pocket inside 
for wallet, keys, phone, etc. 

Large makes for a nice overnight bag or beach bag. 

Before COVID-19, I used the ShopSacks for grocery shopping. Perfect for 
that use. 

I also have a ClembaSack. It's nice for the same ShopSack reasons with the 
limitation that the handles are just a little too short for me to pull 
easily over my shoulder.

Good luck!
Shoji


  

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:17:13 AM UTC-4, Keith Swanson wrote:
>
> Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and Porcelain 
> Rocket when I searched. Thanks. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume > 
> wrote:
>
> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and 
> I really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under 
> rated and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR)  > wrote:
>
>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. 
>> The large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They 
>> hold up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you 
>> can fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very 
>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the 
>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much 
>> to compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tim 
>> PDX
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and Porcelain 
Rocket when I searched. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and I 
> really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under rated 
> and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
> 
> Eric
> 
>> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>  wrote:
>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. The 
>> large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They hold 
>> up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you can 
>> fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very 
>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the 
>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much to 
>> compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Tim 
>> PDX
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Eric Daume]

+1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and I
really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under
rated and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.

Eric

On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:

> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. The
> large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They hold
> up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you can
> fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very
> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the
> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much
> to compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>
> Cheers
> Tim
> PDX
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