[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Clayton.sf]

I think there might be an opportunity to change a negative into a positive 
too. On other forums I frequent there is a honor system where users 
"donate" a certain amount when an item sells. Can be fixed amount or %. 
This tends to weed out less serious sellers and the funds can go towards 
maintenance/mods, bbq, or charitable causes. Another option would be to 
section off BST to avoid it cluttering up content. Just some thoughts.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:06:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There's a fellow on iBob who posted a long FS list with "I'm relatively 
> new to the group." New as in that's his only post. It's annoying and I 
> think people who start here (and there) with stuff to sell should not be 
> passed through moderation. Talk about bikes for a while, then we can see 
> what you're selling, kids. 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

[Clayton.sf]

got mine too! 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

[Clayton.sf]

Not that it is likely ,but last time I had a "crank area" click it ended up 
being my freehub. Few bike things worse than the mystery click. Good luck 
hunting!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Billie Bar

[Clayton.sf]

I'll take them. LMK, paypal address if still available. thx, Clayton


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:38:32 PM UTC-7, David B wrote:
> I took a chance on these, and after careful consideration, I'm sticking with 
> my Albatross bars, purely to maintain my current reach to brake levers using 
> cork grips.
> 
> Looks like Riv is out of stock on these right now, so offering up my set.
> I took some comparative photos of Billie v. Albatross, and put these back in 
> the Nitto plastic sleeve.
> Never mounted/used, so new condition.
> Offering them at Riv's price if you missed out, but I'll cover shipping.
> So, $76 shipped.
> Paypal for payment.
> Contact offlist if interested.
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Hammock camping?

[Clayton.sf]

My experience with Hammocks:

Grear: 
- Wilderess logic Tadpole tarp with door kit
- Dutch hexon 11' hammock with fixed ridge line (highly recommend the fixed 
RL!) and fronkey net
- Hammock Gear Incubator under quilt
- Sleeping bag or poncho liner or light blanket
- Dutch extra long kevlar straps that I attach via marlin spike knot.

Pros:
- Most confortable sleep ever. In hammock I sleep on back even though I am 
a stomach sleeper.
- Vastly superior in the rain. You are above the wet not in the wet.
- Gear stays cleaner
- If you set up tarp first you can do the rest in the dry
- Modular, depending on conditions I will not use certain elements of the 
kit
- Allows you to often find a spot that tent campers can't use


Cons:
- Takes longer to set up perfectly - I am fickle about that. Hammock takes 
about 20 minutes start to finish, my tent is ready in 5.
- You can't comfortable share a hammock
- Needs trees or similar
- Full kit is bulkier and heavier than my solo tent setup
- Getting in and out is a little bit more annoying. Like when you are 
perfectly comfy and then realise you need to use the bathroom kinda sucks.
- You need to get a little more creative when it comes to gear storage, but 
there are plenty of solutions. I use a ridge line organizer and a tivek 
sheet on the ground or a just clip stuff to the tree straps.
- Learning curve. 
- Temptation to mess with setup.
- Can get expensive fast

All in all I am 60/40 in terms of hammock/tent use. I vastly prefer the 
hammock, but sometimes it just does not work out.

Hope this helps!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA 


On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 8:29:43 AM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Hi all, I'm heading out this weekend for a 2 day trip with some friends 
> and planning to take a hammock and inflatable pillow instead of my usual 
> tent setup that I use for backpacking. The only other times I've camped via 
> bike I've lugged the tent, but I'm going for lighter this time around.  
> I've a tarp to string above the hammock in case of light rain, and if the 
> forecast calls for anything more than that, I'll scrap this plan and bring 
> a tent. 
>
> Seeing as there seems to be a pretty big cross section between Riv riders 
> and bike campers, I wondered if anyone has any tips to share? I'm 
> specifically asking for tips for a first time hammock camper, but if anyone 
> has any great tips for camping via bike in general, I'm happy to take those 
> as well. 
>
> Also, I realize the "Riv-content" of this post is pretty loose, so if it's 
> not appropriate, someone let me know and I'll delete. 
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>

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[RBW] FS: Cheviot 60cm Orange

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

For sale is a 60cm orange Cheviot frame plus headset. Happy to add the 
stock seatpost and bb if you want them too (never used them).
Frame is in excellent near mint condition, straight, and frame-savered.

$970 plus shipping via bikeflights or pickup in SF. 

More pictures on request.

If you want to make this more of a complete I have a bunch of bars, 
fenders, cranks, shifters, etc. to help you along the way that we can 
discuss over PM.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles: Official open in the wood of Vermont

[Clayton.sf]

That shop looks beautiful! I hope to visit some day! Best of luck to the 
two of you!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:17:14 AM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> After 20+ years in the ‘normal’ bike shop world, James and Candice decided 
> to start Analog Cycles.  It’s an alternative bike shop: completely off the 
> grid, tucked in the middle of a maple grove, building bikes that require no 
> electronic shifting, spandex, or special shoes.  
>
> The shop is close to East Poultney, Vermont and it’s 200 year old village 
> green.  The village is nestled within a network of dirt roads, close to a 
> budding mountain bike trail system.  The quickly growing trail network 
> features hundreds of acres of flowy mountain bike trails. Within the rough 
> hewn walls of a sugar house turned bike shop, you’ll find useful products 
> for exploring dirt roads, touring and camping.  The emphasis is on well 
> made, durable and repairable bikes, parts and accessories. Archival 
> materials are used where possible. Waxed cotton rather than nylon fabrics. 
> Leather in place of foam. Steel framed bicycles, not carbon fiber.  
>
> Analog builds smart, reliable touring and adventure bikes.  We specialize 
> in bikes that are as easy to ride as they are to maintain. Unlike most 
> contemporary bikes, our bikes are built with the end user in mind as both 
> rider 
> and field mechanic. Bikes go out the door with a mix of new and old 
> technology: friction shifting paired with clutch derailleurs, traditional 
> handbuilt wheels set up tubeless, ultra wide range gearing, generator hubs 
> that power lights and simultaneously charge a phone while you ride.  Folks 
> come to us from all over the world for advice on fitting and custom builds. 
> We’ve been lucky enough to ship bikes and esoteric parts to England, 
> Sweden, Norway, German, Japan, Australia, Canada as well as across the US. 
>
> In our tiny shop, you’ll find a wide range of bikes and frames from 
> Rivendell, Crust, and Velo Orange.  We stock generator lights from Busch 
> and Muller, Schmidt and Sinewave, and hubs from Bitex, White Industries, 
> Schmidt and Shutter Precision.  Compass tires in the bigger sizes are 
> stacked next to WTB tires and Schwalbe’s gravel offerings. We keep an 
> assortment of Nitto racks, bars, stems and seatposts, Crust stems, our own 
> Analog (w)Right stems, bars from Salsa, lots of Brooks and select Fizik 
> saddles.  
>
> Analog offers a number of different services: 
>
>
>- 
>
>Online and in-person ‘Enlightened Fitting’
>- 
>
>Practical wheelbuilds designed for you, not some generic industry 
>standard
>- 
>
>Full or partial custom bike builds. 
>- 
>
>Reimagined bike builds, in which we take an older frame you provide 
>and help you make it useful for the kind of riding you do, now.  
>- 
>
>In Depth Tune and Overhaul work, specializing in bearing upgrades and 
>long term preservation of the bike.  
>
>
> You can take the train, fly, drive or ride to come see us.  Let us know 
> where you are coming from, and we can help figure out the best option for 
> you.  There is camping down the road at Lake St. Catherine State Park (a 15 
> minute bike ride away) or at one of the nearby B&B’s several of which are 
> only 2 miles away. Come hang out, get help with a fit, or chat with us 
> about a bike build.  We’d love to see ya! 
>
> James ‘n Candice
>
> analogcyc...@gmail.com 
>
> 802-287-0999
>
> 181 Hillside Rd, East Poultney VT 05741
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto 34F

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

Have a Nitto 34F big front rack for sale. Looks like 
this: https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-big-front-rack-34f-20075.

Comes with all the required hardward. Rack is in excellent condition.

$165 shipped to CONUS via bikeflights.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Flat Bottom Backpack

[Clayton.sf]

another backpack which is a personal favorite of mine is the Goruck GR1. While 
the Goruck ethos is a little different from mine the GR1 is my favorite 
everyday bag ever. Pricey, but their lifetime warranty is for real. I highly 
recommend it and if you don't like it or will go for close to the same on eBay.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Cheviot 60cm Frame

[Clayton.sf]

Price drop. $900 shipped to CONUS. All else remains the same ;-).

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 10:03:44 AM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> For sale is a 60cm orange Cheviot frame plus headset. Happy to add the 
> stock seatpost and bb if you want them too (never used them).
> Frame is in excellent near mint condition, straight, and frame-savered.
>
> $970 plus shipping via bikeflights or pickup in SF. 
>
> More pictures on request.
>
> If you want to make this more of a complete I have a bunch of bars, 
> fenders, cranks, shifters, etc. to help you along the way that we can 
> discuss over PM.
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>

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[RBW] quality of bike photos on Riv website

[Clayton.sf]

I believe most of them are shot with film. Could be wrong though.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[Clayton.sf]

Not saying it can't happen but a horizontal crack would be odd. If it was me 
I'd sand off the paint and see how it looks underneath though

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Nitto rear rack shortage?

[Clayton.sf]

There is a large in ebay too. Search for Rivendell.

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[RBW] Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Clayton.sf]

Done brevets on my Quickbeam in various configurations. basket, bags, fixed and 
SS. In my experience comfort is the most important thing since time limits are 
generous.  The catch is that comfortable varies quite a bit from 3 to 300 
miles. Full upright is nice for a few miles, but will be very uncomfortable for 
120 miles for me. Both battery and dybamo lights work.

Experimentation is key and what works for me will maybe not work for the next 
person. In the end you won't know what works for a 300k unless you do a 300k. 
Best advice is to just start and see how it goes. worst case scenario you will 
DNF, so what? You will learn something anyway.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Billie Bar bar rotation at stem clamp?

[Clayton.sf]

This to me is the main advantage of 31.8 diameter clamps. More surface, more 
friction, less chance of rotating. Almost all bigger sweep bars in 26mm and 
25.4mm have rotated for me, but in 31.8mm they stay put. 

Adding some carbon friction paste helps though.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] 650b vs 700c wide tite thoughts needed.

[Clayton.sf]

I personally like wider tires on 700c best. 44+ on 700c is preferred. For me 
the whole perfect handling based on rim size to tire width does not register. I 
like the feel of a large wheel and tire. I am also not sold on low trail geo 
either. Especially for not for mixed terrain riding. It is to me more about 
personal preference rather than alleged science. Wheel size relative to frame 
size/requirements makes more sense to me.

regarding fatter 650b vs skinnier 700c that choice depends on intended 
application application.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA 

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[RBW] WTB Shopsack Medium Olive

[Clayton.sf]

Looking for a Shopsack Medium (smaller version) in olive in good/excellent 
condition. Not interested in other colors. Many thanks!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring on Rivendells

[Clayton.sf]

All personal preference I guess. I had a big wald basket on my Cheviot and 
routinely had a full camping or grocery load in there. It rode very well with 
that kind of front load be it dirt or trails.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] WTB Shopsack Medium Olive

[Clayton.sf]

yeah, a half-sack could work!

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[RBW] Re: Other annoying threads

[Clayton.sf]

two easy solutions to get them off your wheel:

1. go faster so they can't hang.

2. go slower so they must  pass you.

Either works every time.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Ever tossed a tire because you couldn't find the culprit?

[Clayton.sf]

happened to me too. almost tossed the tire, but instead I rolled it up and put 
it away. two years later I really needed a tire like it on short notice. Pulled 
it out, checked it again, found the offending thorn in 2 minutes and am still 
riding it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

 

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[RBW] 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Clayton.sf]

Looks excellent! Have a 1x11 59cm drop bar MITlantis waiting to be finished. 
Should be done next week.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Clayton.sf]

I have Nitto RM-013-HT Dirt Drop Handlebars Heat Treated Silver (Width: 52cm) 
for sale of anyone is interested. Very noodle-esque. I installed them but did 
not ride them more than a few feet b4 deciding they were not for me. I am a fan 
of the cowchippers though. there is no spot behind the lever be the drops and 
hoods to me are very comfy even for long rides.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Clayton.sf]

Find a stair step of choice. Put strut on step. Put foot on strut. Saw 
away. 


Clayton Scott
SF, CA






On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 6:54:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> How you do it?

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Clayton.sf]

This one takes the cake!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 6:08:32 AM UTC-7, Daniel M wrote:
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> Vice Grip on Vice Grip action. You saw it here first. 
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Clayton.sf]

brakeless fixed gears on city streets!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Clayton.sf]

tilley hat when sunny or a beanie when cold, and mostly nothing.

clayton scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Riv Odds/Ends/Accessories to Add to an Order.

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new pine tar soap is nice too.

clayton scott
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

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Price drop to $699 plus shipping via bike flights.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA


On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>  
> Have a 2012 Bob Jackson Vigorelli Fixed Gear Bike for sale.
>
> Frame:
>
> Reynolds 631 tubing.
> 58.5 ctc ST
> 58 ctc TT
> 27.2 Post requ.
> Horizontal top tube.
> Fork drilled for brake. Frame is not.
> Clearance for true 30mm tires with room to spare. Could possibly go up to 
> 32mm but have not tried it.
> Frame is framesavered and in excellent condition. Never used in the rain 
> (no fender eyelets). 
> Ice blue metallic with white lug lining.
> Frame is straight and true.
>
> Components Included: 
>
> - Phil Wood front and rear hubs with Phil cog and lockring laced to 32h 
> H+Son Archetypes
> - Campagnolo Pista crank, ring and bb (there is some filing on the 
> backside of the non-drive crankarm. Does not affect performance and 
> increases clearance)
> - Simworks Stem and Bars (getaround model)
> - Ultegra front brake with Shimano lever (photo shows a paul one)
> - Continental tires GP4000
> - I think this is it
> - VO headset
>
> All components in excellent shape!
>
> No seatpost, Saddle, Pedals, bottle cage, pump
>
> $999 plus shipping via bikeflights and paypal fees as applicable. Happy to 
> deliver in San Francisco and extended bay area.
>
> More pictures on request. Will clean it too!
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5D-wtnZvu3Y/Wn4CFlbwxKI/AgE/QRb9GlRijN0SYjMubOQCmO7ILJKOoPokACLcBGAs/s1600/20180208_080306.jpg>
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OuciNYJ8jPc/Wn4CFNsKPsI/AgA/fDyJ4HFSgSomVOPrxbJpZf4Tm1UuoBKVgCLcBGAs/s1600/20180208_080302.jpg>
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9sBmtTApbgU/Wn4CBOjlgiI/Af8/diSOUakLXaEQT3a8WVPNQ7xXmm0pQycFgCLcBGAs/s1600/20180208_080245.jpg>
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

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Bike is SPF.

thx!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

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SPF - Sold Pending Funds

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Hour glass eyelets bolt size?

[Clayton.sf]

Hi all,

what size bolt do the new oversize hour glass eyelets on the seatstays take. 
the ones that are up from the dropout to allow the rack to sit closer? regular 
rack screws are too small.

Thanks,
clayton scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Hour glass eyelets bolt size?

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many thanks!

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Catalyst pedals?

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they come with a 30 day money back guarantee.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Flywheel for the Brain

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I ride fixed with retentionless platform pedals too. Same with SS mtb. Midfoot 
position and wide-a$$ bars help. Done brevets fixed clipped in vs. not clipped 
in and the difference was negligeable for time but significant for comfort. 
Of course if I only sprinted or only did short uphill rides then foot retention 
would make a difference and is what I would use.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

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consider me very tempted. need geo. at 6" I might be pushing it. though I am 
not in the super high bar camp

Clayton Scott

SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

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dibs on a 59!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

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Same here! 59 Grilver. 

fingers crossed!
Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Clayton.sf]

Sucks. Had it in the cart and once I hit submit after entering payment it 
said inventory issues. 

Oh well.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:47:01 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> well its announced, get your finger ready for the 12pm pst post
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:44:50 PM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching for 
>> quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement 
>> for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Single speed handlebar recommendations

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I prefer wide risers or flat bars on mine. Unless it is for 50+ mile rides 
where drops are nice.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:06:54 AM UTC-8, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> For SS/FG you either want bullhorns, which would look horrible on a riv or 
> drops, ideally with hoods. If you plan to do any climbing on this bike you 
> need those hood positions for leverage out of the saddle

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

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There are bolts that use an allen on both ends. Quite a nice feature.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Just get a new crank , almost anything is better than an XD.   Even the 
> modest Origin8 110 BCD single/double crank for $50 is better than those. 
>
> As for those silly chainring "devices" that don't qualify as a "tool" 
> because tools work, the Park ones at least  are so ill fitting that I 
> can see how people would strip the bolt.  It's a "devise" of futility, and 
> Park keeps making the same darn thing, unimproved, decade after decade 
> after decade.  
>
> Yeah ... be done with it  new crank.
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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

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I also really like the Torx CR bolts that Shimano specs on their mtb cranks. 
they tend to resist stripping better. (don't have link)

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area: 3rd Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

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This will be awesome! Hope it stays semi-dry so we can all go play in the 
dirt above.

Thanks for putting this on

Clayton Scott
SF, CA




On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 2:17:16 PM UTC-8, Irving wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> 2 years ago I started a tradition of going on a big campout with my 
> friends during the Super Bowl weekend. Last year I grabbed a group site at 
> Samuel P. Taylor, made it open to this list and luckily some members were 
> able to join! (For those of you who missed out, here are some highlights: 
> 2017 , 2016 
> )
>
> This year I decided to mix things up by grabbing the China Camp Group 
> Site for Saturday February 3rd to Sunday February 4th. I'll be organizing a 
> roll out from SF. Route  will 
> look something like this and East Bay'ers will have opportunity to take bus 
> to San Rafael 
> .
>
> Here's some more details on Facebook: 
> https://www.facebook.com/events/670228923365990/
>
> Let me know if you're interested in joining!
>
> - Irving
>

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

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I use my real name.

know a lot of people here in person so using a handle just feels a bit 
cumbersome. 

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area: 3rd Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

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Many thanks again for putting this on.
Had an a most excellent time as every year! 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Clayton.sf]

I have found 31.8 bars to slip less at same torque values than 26 or 25.4. 
Maybe a function or greater surface area being clamped? While I don't care much 
about the stiffness gains, less slipping is welcome. For extra bad cases some 
friction paste usually sold for carbon bits helps.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Clayton.sf]

2 of my bikes have fenders and 2 don't.

While I am pro fender, I am hesitant to add much more than clip ons to my 
dirt bikes (and even there they are usually downtube "mounted") due to 
safety reasons. 
In addition, I typically stay off the trails when they are wet to give them 
a break.

I do like having eyelets on all my frames though incase I want to ressign 
its purpose.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA


On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:10:20 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> C'mon! This is New Mexico! Besides, I have another Riv with fenders.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>> But how much fun is a soaking wet a$$?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

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So many factors that could make one work better for you than the other that you 
need to try both for yourself to really know. I would choose almost any bar 
over the bullmoose. Their upsweep annoys my hands (have no issues with other 
flat or riser bars). should be easy enough to sell the one you like less.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

 
Have a 2012 Bob Jackson Vigorelli Fixed Gear Bike for sale.

Frame:

Reynolds 631 tubing.
58.5 ctc ST
58 ctc TT
27.2 Post requ.
Horizontal top tube.
Fork drilled for brake. Frame is not.
Clearance for true 30mm tires with room to spare. Could possibly go up to 
32mm but have not tried it.
Frame is framesavered and in excellent condition. Never used in the rain 
(no fender eyelets). 
Ice blue metallic with white lug lining.
Frame is straight and true.

Components Included: 

- Phil Wood front and rear hubs with Phil cog and lockring laced to 32h 
H+Son Archetypes
- Campagnolo Pista crank, ring and bb (there is some filing on the backside 
of the non-drive crankarm. Does not affect performance and increases 
clearance)
- Simworks Stem and Bars (getaround model)
- Ultegra front brake with Shimano lever (photo shows a paul one)
- Continental tires GP4000
- I think this is it
- VO headset

All components in excellent shape!

No seatpost, Saddle, Pedals, bottle cage, pump

$999 plus shipping via bikeflights and paypal fees as applicable. Happy to 
deliver in San Francisco and extended bay area.

More pictures on request. Will clean it too!

Best,
Clayton Scott
San Francisco, CA


 

 

 


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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

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One more thing regarding the control vs. sweep debate (disclaimer: this is 
just according to me and I have no "real" 3rd party science to back it up) 
- more sweep allows me to keep my elbows closer to my body, and my  upper 
body, shoulders and arms more relaxed. A lot of people seem equate this 
with less control especially when coming from flat and riser bars. At least 
that is usually their first response when they ride my bike on singletrack. 
For me this allows me to ride a rigid bike more comfortably on MTB terrain 
since my arms can now more easily absorb shocks. The bars may come back a 
bit more which changes weight distribution when sitting but when things get 
dicey I don't sit anyway and have no issue moving my body forward to weight 
the wheel. The bullmoose are better in regards to sweep than most normal 
mtb bars. I use Jones bars on my MTB with 45 degree sweep. Have also used 
flat bars too. Both work but the swept bar allows me to ride longer and 
more easily over rough stuff on a rigid bike. I change step length too. 
50mm on flat bars, 80mm on Jones.

Hope this helps.

Clayton




On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:22:08 PM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the help, everybody. I got some pondering to do on this, 
> but I think in the end I will probably end up with a bullmoose bar setup. 
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-6, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>>
>> I'm pondering bars for my Appaloosa I ordered and have a choice to make.  
>> I'm thinking about some sort of 'moose bar having already had the Bosco 
>> Bullmoose in the past and liked them. My choice for this bike is coming 
>> down to the regular Bullmoose bar or the Choco-moose bar but can't figure 
>> out if I want a more flattish hand hold like a regular flat mtb bar or one 
>> that puts my wrists like they would be on a choco bar...almost like if they 
>> were on the drops of a drop bar, I guess. 
>>
>> I'll be using this bike primarily on gravel roads and singletrack 
>> mountain bike trails with very little road riding going on, so quick 
>> handling, secure gripping, and easy turning is a plus. 
>>
>> any ideas?  Do you think the reach to the bullmoose bars will be a bit 
>> too dramatic compared to the choco bars on the Appaloosa?
>>
>> Next decisions will be what tires, what shifting mechanism, what 
>> crankset, ect, ect, ect. (the fun part of buying a bike, IMHO.)
>>
>>
>> thanks, 
>>
>>
>> btw, I changed my name so no longer RJM
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

[Clayton.sf]

Eyeballing clearance with the 30mm in there a 32 should be doable, but have 
not tried it yet.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 1:24:28 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Nice! I had one. Biggest gripe is that I wish it fit larger tires, though 
> a true 32mm tire would fit with the axle all the way to the rear
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[RBW] Re: New Sage Canti Sam Hillborne

[Clayton.sf]

Ran into him the morning he was planning on picking up the frame and saw 
him the next morning on the fully built bike ready to camp! 
#doesnoteffaround!
I believe everything held up too! 

The escape the s-bowl has been put on by Irving Pham for 3 years straight 
here in the Bay. Always a blast! Can't wait for the next one!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA





On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 2:06:54 PM UTC-8, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Well done Adam! I love the idea of a Super Bowl escape camp out. Not 
> practical where I live but a great concept. The new Sam looks fantastic!

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Clayton.sf]

thanks for explaining Joe!

mine swept up on a Quickbeam. 

might be that there are different angles as is the case with some other moose 
variants.

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: Camp Interludes - A Frank Patterson original illustration

[Clayton.sf]

beautiful! The patterson books have been on my "to buy someday" list for 
over a decade. 

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:46:27 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Marty! I’ve always loved encountering that drawing whenever I’m 
> blessed to cross paths with it. Thank you! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

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sell them all, get something different, experience, enjoy the journey, life is 
short.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Burrito Wrap

[Clayton.sf]

anyone remember the dimensions for the burrito wrap? that square piece of waxed 
cloth riv used to sell?

Best,
Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Burrito Wrap

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thanks Patrick!

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[RBW] Re: Burrito Wrap

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I have the fabric! 

Thanks,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: 1x10 with BE or Gevenalle?

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Use 1x gevenalle with 11 speed. works very well.

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: 1x10 with BE or Gevenalle?

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Use 1x gevenalle with 11 speed Dynasys XT der. works very well.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 9:28:45 AM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> Haven't chimed in here in a long long time. Curious what folks think. I'm 
> a longtime fan of BE shifters so quite familiar with them. I'm getting 
> ready to convert my Surly Ogre from a Jones Bar to a Cowchipper with a 70mm 
> VO Cigne Stem. I'm running a 10spd Shimano SLX derailer. I'm leaning toward 
> Gevenalle but curious what folks thoughts and experience are with them. I 
> like the Jones bars well enough but really want to try the Cowchippers on 
> the Ogre. The stem gets them in the right place with what should be 
> appropriate extension. I spend more time on dirt roads on this bike than 
> technical singletrack so it should be fine. 
>
> This set-up seems takes a leap of faith as the steerer will be cut down to 
> an otherwise useless length for me. I'm hopeful this set-up will work for 
> me. If not... well, looks like I'll be purchasing a new fork. Don't let 
> anyone tell you threaded steerer tubes and quill stems don't have their 
> place.
>
> Feel free to contact me if you happen to have some Gevenalle shifters for 
> sale (long pull, 10x1, Shimano DynaShift).
>
> Thanks!
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: 1x10 with BE or Gevenalle?

[Clayton.sf]

In terms of bars (not that you asked but you might enjoy them anyway). I am 
really enjoying salsa cowchippers for this purpose. They work great with 
the gevenalle shifter too. 

Clayton Scott,
SF, CA

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:33:15 PM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> I just ordered 1x10 Gevenalle shifters. They'll work with my current gear. 
> I've wanted a drop-bar large volume tire bike for a long time and I'm 
> hoping this will all come together nicely and satisfy that desire. I'll 
> post it up once it's done. While the only identifiably Rivish item on the 
> bike is the B17, the bike is very much a product of riding Rivs in the past.
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

Just build up my Falconer BMC disc. 59 size.

No silly light parts,  1x gearing, 32h wheels. 44mm snoqualmie TL tires.

23 pounds even without pump and fenders. 

Good enough! Could trim off more by cutting the steerer a bit more and 
going carbon stem, bars, and post as well as lighter pedals, but I will 
likely not do that.

Clayton Scott,
SF, CA


On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:59:21 AM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Wow thanks Bill.  Now I am really excited about this frame.  I sold my 
> Pugsley a little while ago because of the Q factor and my knees and was 
> going to find an winter MTB to replace it with.  I might just throw some 
> knobbies on the BMC and not look back.
>

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

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can't wait!!

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

Philip, what tires you bringing. weather looks iffy. I am debating knobbies 
instead of slicks.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Catalyst pedals?

[Clayton.sf]

I am experimenting with a pair. I wear shoes and boots from size 11 to 13. 
Redwing 11, Vans and Nike 12.5, 510 13, everything else mostly 12. 
The extra length is VERY noticeable. Unlike any other pedal I have used 
including gripkings. Not sure if I am experiencing all the wonderful benefits 
claimed, but they feel good and are especially great with flimsier shoes where 
other pedals are not as comfy. Going to ride them at Strada Rossa next week, 
which will be the first longer ride on them, unless my experience there changes 
significantly I am not going to return them. Still think my Canfield Crampons 
are just as comfy though very different feeling. They are very well made. VP 
makes them. I am using the shorter pins with are long enough for me. They are 
heavy, but you can wear lighter shoes.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

sticking to Snoqualmie here too. we shall see...

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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster

[Clayton.sf]

11

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[RBW] Re: Thomson Elite Seatpost -- 26.8 -- with New Sam H.: Seems... Small...?

[Clayton.sf]

I have solved a few slipping post issues by sizing up the post by .2mm.
Oddly enough all 3 of them have been Reynolds tubing.

If I were you I'd buy the next size up and see what it does.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Clayton.sf]

I am 6' with saddle height (measured from center of bb to top in a straight 
line along the seat tube) of 76cm. I ride a 58cm monstercross (rim brake). With 
a 100mm stem this fits great with minimal spacers. Could ride a size up but 
prefer the 58cm. Hope this data point helps. I is a fantastic frame and while 
it may lack some of the flourishes of pricier frames its ride quality leaves 
nothing to be desired for me.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] 2020 Goals

[Clayton.sf]

I'll play!

Goals:

Rearrange schedule to allow for 2 bike riding mornings per week.

Join the 1,000lb club (combined bench, squat, deadlift totalling 1,000lb or 
more).

Make more beer and cider.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Clayton.sf]

I think the "where" of length matters. Very long chainstays are not something I 
like offroad as it prevents the front wheel to be lifted which can be 
problematic and unfun. My Jones plus LWB is a fantastic offroad bike with a 
long wheelbase, the front wheel can still easily be lifted. Taking a Cheviot or 
Clem on trails works too but not nearly as well due to the long stays that make 
lifting the front a chore at best. 
Long stays do indeed smooth out the ride but if they are so long that they make 
the bike suitable only for smoother trails where that smoothness is less needed 
then what is the point?
Longer front center pkus puffy tires with short stem makes a lot more sense for 
offroad LWB bikes according to me.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Clayton.sf]

Some *subjective *counterpoints.

Owned an MIT Atlantis, Cheviot and still own a Clem H.

All of the above bikes would be my last choice for "spirited" unloaded 
climbing when choosing from my stable.

My Boulder, Black Mountain Cyles, Hampsten, and Jones all climb with less 
perceived exertion on my part and at a higher average speed. 

It is not that the Riv models above are bad climbers but they do require 
more effort (for me) for the same speed.
To me they are great loaded multi-purpose bike but they are not (to me) 
"go-fast" bikes.

On the flipside the Boulder, BMC, and Hampsten would all be inferior 
heavily loaded. 

The Quickbeam on the other hand never felt like it was holding me back on 
hills.


Clayton Scott
HBG, CA




On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:29:13 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Let me rephrase.  I wouldn't climb any alpine pass unless it's in a 
> funicular or a BMW M3.
>
> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> LBleriot said of long chain stay bikes: "I wouldn't climb any alpine 
>> passes on these bikes."
>>
>> Based on what? I've climbed (and descended) countless alpine passes, 
>> roads and technical trails, with mine and it climbs and descends 
>> brilliantly.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto clamps

[Clayton.sf]

Likely have some kicking around too. What forkleg circumference are they to 
clamp around?

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Clayton.sf]

Love the tires. Not a fan of the cranks at all.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA - 1997 All-Rounder on Bay Area CL (not mine)

[Clayton.sf]

I am happy to facilitate shipping, packing, and transaction. I am Oakland 
once a week. PM if desired.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 4:10:44 PM UTC-8, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I despair of ever finding an All-Rounder that's a) my size (56-58cm) and 
> b) close enough to Virginia to actually drive out and buy it.  In the 
> meantime, however, I found this one (
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-1997-rivendell-all-rounder/7054426342.html)
>  
> that's currently on the Bay Area Craigslist; given how quickly these get 
> snapped up, I figured someone in the group might be interested.
>
> Kevin Lindsey
> Alexandria, VA
> USA
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[RBW] Re: Narrow-wide 1x chain ring question

[Clayton.sf]

If silver is a priority a basic (not narrow wide) non-pinned and ramped 
ring will likely work just fine. If you end up dropping chains frequently 
adding a chainkeeper would help keep it on. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 5:54:56 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I'm contemplating a 1x8/9 setup, and cannot seem to find a narrow-wide 
> chain ring that meets all of these criteria:
>
>- 36+ teeth
>- 5-bolt 110 bcd (not deal breaker, but nice to reuse existing arms)
>- Fits non-direct mount, square taper JIS crank arms, like the Silver 
>or Sugino brand cranks many of of us have already
>- 8/9/10 spd chain compatibility
>- Silver color (anodized or polished)
>- Good quality
>
> Hopefully some of you have searched for something like this before and 
> found it.
>
> Sugino doesn't seem to make narrow-wide rings, or at least Google 
> Translator and their pictures lead you to believe that.
>
> Raceface & Wolftooth don't make this in silver.  As an aside: Wolftooth 
> recommends using a 10spd chain in 1x9 setups so the (slightly tighter) 
> chain holds their ring better.
>
> VO doesn't seems to offer a narrow-wide ring.
>
> Hope doesn't offer this in silver.
>
> I love White Ind. cranks and rings, but they're direct-mount arms.
>
> Some company could fill a niche here, I'm thinking...
>
> I have a Sugino XD3BX-701D 
>  46/36 on order, 
> which I may end up using for a 2x setup instead, but wanted to see if any 
> of you have found a 1x crank and narrow-wide ring per above. 
>
> Thanks for your thoughts, and Happy New Year!
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Advice Needed: Best Remedy for a Slipping Hunqapillar Seatpost

[Clayton.sf]

I have had good luck with a seatpost size larger by 0.2mm. 

Carbon friction paste is an option too.

Clayton Scott 
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Best Remedy for a Slipping Hunqapillar Seatpost

[Clayton.sf]

If it is a 26.8 you may be able to flex hone the ST to get a 27.2 in there 
(Handwringers need not apply). Also Nitto makes 27.0 posts, not sure about 
27.4. 

Clayton  Scott 
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Best Remedy for a Slipping Hunqapillar Seatpost

[Clayton.sf]

Getting a longer binder bolt and using a Mafac hanger might be another 
solution as it bolts to the outside rather than into the slot. Like this 
one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/291709320587.

Or get a longer bold that sticks our a little and bolt the Nitto hanger to 
the side. This will put the brake cable at an angle but depending on frame 
side it might not matter much. 

Personally, I'd just get a new frame.

Clayton Scott,
HBG, CA



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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Clayton.sf]

Personally I like Redbacks over either rossi or blunnies (had them all). I 
got 10 years of use out of a slip on redback boot. Would have lasted longer 
if it wasn't for a salt water bath. They also make lace up versions. 
Fantastic boots, but very different from the original requirements of the 
OP.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA


On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-8, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> I’ve also heard good things about the similar Rossi brand, which is made 
> in Australia and assumably of better quality than Blundstones. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Clayton.sf]

Redwing is an overpriced hipster boot with an amazing history these days. 
Beckhams and Iron Rangers are perfect for the lumbersexual look and a 10 
minute, dry weather walk to the next artisanal coffee roastery ;-). Very 
pretty, but for actual boot use you can do better with spending less. For any 
real hiking I wear low top trail runners and redbacks for anything that needs 
more debris blocking and a tad more protection.  

Clayton Scott
HBG. CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

[Clayton.sf]

The backdrop is awesome too! Statue of liberty 45 adapter? 

Blew out my residential speakers earlier this year. Luckily have a decent setup 
in the barn, but I miss the vinyl. A few more months...

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[RBW] Link to 2017 Geomety Charts

[Clayton.sf]

Try waybackmachine.com

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Cheap Sam Hillborne or another Riv

[Clayton.sf]

Have a 52 Clem H for sale for 850. Like new with one scratch. Comes with 
post, hs, bb.

Clayton Scott
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On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 12:20:47 PM UTC-7, Eric G@rs wrote:
>
> I have a 2018 55cm black and cream canti Sam available with Shimano brakes 
> and Clem rack included for $1200. I’m open to offers if you think that’s 
> too steep. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard

[Clayton.sf]

Price drop. $800. shipped to CONUS. 

Clayton Scott
HBG,CA

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:58:02 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Have a 52cm Clem Mustard H frame (high top tube) for sale.
> It is in almost new condition except for a scratch in the downbube.
> Straight, never crashed, no rust and frame savered.
> One thing to note is that it takes a 27.0 seat post. This is how it came 
> to me straight from Rivendell HQ.
> I am including a Nitto Crystal Fellow (single bolt) in 27.0 250mm with it 
> (or a black vintage XT post 330mm also made by nitto if you need a longer 
> one).
> Headset and BB are included too.
> $850 shipped to CONUS. Attached some pictured of the full the build.
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[Clayton.sf]

Or maybe they are currently out of work and this is a way to feed their 
family for a few more days.
Don't know the seller, but have a few friends struggling right now or soon 
and I would be the last to judge them for a move like this.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-7, BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
> Yeah, pretty lame...
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I hope this person who also owns an Atlantis and clearly knows what they 
>> bought is willing to budge a LOT off that price. Not to me, I don't need 
>> it, but someone who could have paid $700 and enjoyed a nice bike to ride. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and A Homer Hilsen?

[Clayton.sf]

My experience is different. For me both Clem L and Cheviot are similar 
regarding effort to speed ratio. I have not found the Cheviot any speedier 
than the Clem. The Clem does better in rough stuff and is an equal on the 
road. Cheviot is easier to mount and dismount with load. Both are NOT bikes 
I would take on unloaded "spirited" rides. Sure, I have done 100k ride on 
the Cheviot just because, but my 100k times on my Boulder or Blackmountain 
are significantly faster. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:51:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Joyce, 
>
> I've owned 4 Clems (2 L, 2 H) and a Cheviot - which probably means I have 
> a problem, but that's another story! 🤪 - and think I can double-up a bit 
> on Leah's thoughts. 
>
> The Chev is often misunderstood as a cruiser/tourer-type bike because of 
> the mixte look but in reality it's a light-ish, stiff-ish road bike with 
> road brakes. 
>
> I think it's a perfect compliment to your Clem set up with alu bars, stem 
> and post, and maybe don't load it down with front and rear racks and a 
> bunch of bags. Fenders are fine and maybe a rear rack to support a 
> medium-ish saddlebag is good. Go for it!  

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[RBW] Re: Rides and activities for FotR / Rivmoot / RBWXXV Rivendell Anniversary Campout / Meetup

[Clayton.sf]

I like the proposal. Have done this ride a few times from SF. Mostly dirt 
but all tame. Usually rode up railroad grade, then traversed on pavement to 
BoRidge then down Shafter, swim at inkwells, off to STP.  Will be coming 
down from Healdsburg and likely catch the train too.

Looking forward to this!

Clayton



On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> *Rivmoot 2019 is the weekend of July 19-21. *
> I believe there is room for 30 people officially, and three cars. Justin 
> August can confirm nights, number of sites, and total possible guests. 
>
> Details (Everyone is invited!): 
> *Samuel P Taylor Park, at the Devil's Gulch Group Camps 
> . *That's in Marin County, California, 
> in the woods near both the coast and Mount Tam (cradle of mountain biking). 
> It's bikeable from SF and BART/Ferry/Bike-able from the East Bay. 
>
> I'm happy to lead a North Bay ride to/from SPT (Samuel P Taylor) by bike 
> and SMART train . I live in Santa 
> Rosa, but we can meet on the train. 
> We could convene at the Iron Horse Brewery in San Rafael to link up with 
> people from the next train, if necessary. Route is TBD: probably Mill 
> Valley / Mt Tam / Bo Ridge on the way in, and a deadhead run out Sir 
> Francis Drake on Sunday. 
>
> What riding would people like to do out there? I imagine there will be 
> some pretty epic loops, but also mellower tours of the cheese-making scene 
> out in West Marin. For Saturday, I probably want to ride something Joe 
> Bunik puts together. Can't get enough of those mines! 
>
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
>  
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Paul motolite reviews?

[Clayton.sf]

I think this may also have something to do with the levers I used (Tektro 
linear drop levers), but the "grabbyness" made them almost scary offroad 
when I needed to slow down a little but not stop. You hit a bump which 
caused hands squeezing the lever just a tad more and the wheels would 
temporarily lock up. Never crashed because of it but did switch back to 
cantis after a few sketchy incidents. I really like the mini motos which 
exhibit none of the "on/off" characteristics for me but offer excellent 
power when needed and plenty of modulations to control speed (tire choice 
is more limited though). Again, my experience with the Motolites may have 
been lever related and could likely be further changed with different pads 
(I used the stock thinlines).

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA





 

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 8:11:50 AM UTC-7, phil k wrote:
>
> Paul motolites are very powerful brakes. I had them on my Hunqapillar a 
> couple of years ago. It's one of the most powerful mechanical brakes I've 
> used. The response is very immediate, easy to set up. and very robust.
>
> The flipside, when you brake it engages very quickly, giving a grabby 
> feel. This happened even on my polished Atlas rims.
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> Thinking about upgrading to the Paul motolite brakes but would love to 
>> hear opinions of them. Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who Blugs a Ride?

[Clayton.sf]

Sometimes you ask for the Potis and you get them.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 3:54:01 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Who rides an Appaloosa?
>
> That new blug update is wining a lot of gold stars from me.
> from the Rodin-esque thinking persons' countenance to the respectful 
> taking of the knee.
> I can't say it's one-upping the previous blug post - Who Rides an A.H.H. - 
> but it definitely makes for a solid 2 for 2.
>
> That bike is also a special build.
>
> Curious if you all can help ID some things.
> If those are Rocket Rons, they are either 29x 2.1 or 29x2.25.
> Any thoughts as to which
> Also what are the rims?  Can't tell.
>
> I've got my new Appaloosa set up similarly with friction 3x9 and 2.1 
> knobbier under fenders but I'd like to go a little fatter and wider. 
>  working on putting a wheel set together, maybe with Cliffhangers to do 
> that.   hence my question 'bout those rims.
>
> Loving these "Who Rides a" blugs.  Maybe there will be a "Who Rides a 
> Canti-Romulus" one of these days.
>

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[RBW] Re: Possible FS/ FT 58 Joe App

[Clayton.sf]

It has disc tabs?

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 5:45:08 AM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,  just seeing if someone might be interested in a 58 Joe App( 
> Silver) or a trade for your 59 Clem.   Looking for more tire clearance!   
>  It has disc tabs/ Canti bosses.I’m thinking $950( which includes 
> shipping) or straight trade for a Clem.   For some reason I can’t figure 
> out how to post some pics,  but have them if you’re interested.Thank 
> you!-Mike 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

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Sweet! Philip, Joe and Esteban are in charge! 

See you all Friday!

Clayton, HBG

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[Clayton.sf]

Had an amazing time too! Not sure why I look so miserable in the picture.
Found some beers too but those are now gone.

Clayton 
HBG, CA




On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 3:18:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Rhea wrote:
>
> Whaddya know?
>
> It was a super-fun weekend at the FOTR campout!  Truly a pleasure meeting 
> everybody!
>
> -br
>
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 11:40:35 AM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>> Ah! Upon closer inspection, way in the back, Bill Rhea made the photo too!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> So many sacks...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 10:15:46 AM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> My contribution to the pictures proving that it happened, Eight Rivs and 
>>> Clayton (and cutoff Andre and Joe -sorry!) Shafter Bridge, southern end of 
>>> the Cross Marin Trail:
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> And what a great weekend! So much fun seeing old friends, making new 
>>> ones, riding familiar trails, and finding new ones. And I never veered out 
>>> of the Olema-Fairfax dirt corridor!
>>>
>>> - Jimmy W.
>>>
>>> P.S. 3 Hunqs, 2 Atlanti, Legolas, Hillborne, Clem - wow!
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:49 AM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
>>>
>>> I already received my patch and it's as good a quality as you'd expect 
>>> from Philip, i.e.,  Riv quality.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, I turned the RBWXXV patches back on in the Etsy shop, if anyone 
>>> missed out. https://etsy.me/2SyXP7j 
>>> I didn’t want to over-book at the campout, and I’ve saved some for 
>>> Rivendell staff. 
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[RBW] WTB: Threadless Bosco Moose and Stoker Stem

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

Proud new owner of a Riv tandem and looking for 2 parts to make it even 
better.
Completely aware that this is a very looong shot.

1. Threadless version of a Bosco Moose bar
2. That moose-esque stem that came with the first run of tandems that was 
made by Nitto.

PM if anyone wants to part with theirs.

thanks!

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] FS: 2018 MIT Atlantis 59cm

[Clayton.sf]

Frame SPF.

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[RBW] Re: "yoko" salmon brakepads?

[Clayton.sf]

have used both brands over the years and have never been able to detect any 
performance difference between their salmon pads. both work well for me. I am 
not a brake guy though.

clayton Scott
hbg, ca

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[RBW] Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

I am all for 1x, hollow tech (or similar), 165-170 cranks, 1 speeds or 12 
speeds or any in between speeds, threadless headsets and stems, non-leather 
saddles, synthetic grips and tape, indexing or friction, and whatever trail on 
any of my bikes including rivs. That stuff all works wonderfully and lasts just 
fine, despite all the armchair handwringing.

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Regarding crank length - I prefer them 165-170. Tried 175 but liked them 
less. Some of it may be what I am used to, although I have zero issues 
switching back and forth from 165 to 170.  I am 6' tall and of average 
proportion. 

Unlike Rivendell, I feel like crank length is a matter of personal 
preference rather than rider height although rider height is likely a good 
starting point. Riding terrain, riding style, and bike matters more than 
rider height IMO. Shorter will always give more relative ground clearance.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA








On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:06:16 AM UTC-7, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, and this is the discussion I was looking for.
>
> What I ended up with is the FD-3030 road derailleur when an outer 
> chainring of 46 teeth and up is installed, and an FD-M611 when an outer 
> chainring of 44 teeth or less is installed.  This was more because the 
> geometry of my 51 Homer got the road cage close to the chainstay with a 
> small outer ring.  I mentioned the Riv chainline because it was a “learning 
> experience”.
>
> The reason I went all the way back to the M590 crankset was because it 
> came in enough variations so I could mix and match chainrings.  I’ve never 
> had a 650b bike, and it may take some wearing into shape.  But I have 
> noticed that some 3x9-speed Shimano Deore quality parts are getting rare in 
> the US - like the FD-M591 or the M590 crank.  Also, the “Trekking” sets I 
> mentioned only seem to be available in the EU.
>
> So I broadened the topic to 10-speed.  There is now a raft of 10-speed 
> Hollowtech equipment, so I wondered who was using what.  Longer cranks seem 
> to be getting popular, along with smaller outer chainrings and 2-speed 
> front ends.
> I’ve noticed that as Shimano goes the industry tends to follow, so I want 
> to hear folks’ opinions.
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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Been riding 165s on my SS mtb for years and never felt like I was lacking 
leverage either. It is "only" a ~6% difference in length after all. My 
breakfast likely matters more.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
> PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, 
> but I detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on 
> the saddle and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Been riding 165s on my ss mtb for years and always felt like I had enough 
leverage. 

It is only a ~6% difference in length going from 175 to 165. My breakfast 
likely matters more for leverage.

Nice wide bars on the other hand did feel like an improvement.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
> PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, 
> but I detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on 
> the saddle and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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