Some *subjective *counterpoints.

Owned an MIT Atlantis, Cheviot and still own a Clem H.

All of the above bikes would be my last choice for "spirited" unloaded 
climbing when choosing from my stable.

My Boulder, Black Mountain Cyles, Hampsten, and Jones all climb with less 
perceived exertion on my part and at a higher average speed. 

It is not that the Riv models above are bad climbers but they do require 
more effort (for me) for the same speed.
To me they are great loaded multi-purpose bike but they are not (to me) 
"go-fast" bikes.

On the flipside the Boulder, BMC, and Hampsten would all be inferior 
heavily loaded. 

The Quickbeam on the other hand never felt like it was holding me back on 
hills.


Clayton Scott
HBG, CA




On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:29:13 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Let me rephrase.  I wouldn't climb any alpine pass unless it's in a 
> funicular or a BMW M3.
>
> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> LBleriot said of long chain stay bikes: "I wouldn't climb any alpine 
>> passes on these bikes."
>>
>> Based on what? I've climbed (and descended) countless alpine passes, 
>> roads and technical trails, with mine and it climbs and descends 
>> brilliantly.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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