Re: [TANKS] Re: New Track System

[Aaron Stern]

Hello Everyone,

It has been a long time since I last posted but I'm ready to get back into my 
build process.

Frank, I saw your comment on experience with different roller chain.  Have you 
seen anything regarding using 2040 single chain (double pitch #40) with metal 
flats welded across the chain faces (for an effect similar to the super 
expensive 2040 flange chain)?  My plan was to use a lathe to turn the wheels so 
that the metal flats will rest againt the wheel and the chain will ride inside 
of a groove in the wheel...

Thanks in advance for the help,
Aaron Stern

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[TANKS] M24 Build

[Aaron Stern]

Hello every one, I thought I'd make a thread for my new tank build.  I had to 
wait for almost 2 months for my motors to arrive but I just received two of the 
ampflow E30-400-G motors. http://www.ampflow.com/ampflow_gearmotors.htm  .  
These look GREAT and I was only testing them on 12 volts.  I just picked up a 
matched pair of 31 amp hour 12v batteries and cant wait to run them at 24v.  

One small setback is that the sprocket I ordered for the slip mechanism was too 
small so I'll need to wait a few days for the replacements to arrive.  I'll try 
to add some photos at the next update, I know build posts without photos aren't 
near as interesting.

sorry to miss the upcoming battle but maybe I'll be read for the same one next 
year.

Best regards,
Aaron Stern

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Re: [TANKS] Motor Question

[Aaron Stern]

Thanks for responding so fast.  I'm glad to hear the winch motors are likely to 
be abke to hold up over many minutes of use, if I kill of my ampflows I might 
try a winch motor connected to the same gearbox.  

The ampflow motor is rate at 235 amps at stall.  I dont plan to go past 100 
amps though as any thing past 118 amps is going down the hp slope anyway.  I 
will include standard fuses, mechanical torque limiters, and electronic current 
sensors, and six temp sensors (on the four high side mosfets, and on the motors 
themselves) to avoid running over 75 amps for more than short periods and to 
prevent ever crossing 100 amps even temporarily. 

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[TANKS] Motor Question

[Aaron Stern]

Hello again,

I just wanted to pop in quickly to ask about some specific motors that I found 
to see if anyone has tried them before.  AmpFlow sells some very powerful high 
performance motors with attached gearboxes.  The E30-400-G is the model I have 
ordered (out of stock, a few more weeks of waiting to go).  The specs show that 
it is a max hp of 2.1 at a little over 100 amps.  I hope not to run at that 
high a torque but it would be nice to know that it is available if needed.  Ive 
built my own Hbridge circuit and it SHOULD be ok up to 110 amps but I dont want 
to push my luck.

On a related note has anyone tried winch motors before?  You can find a 3.2 hp 
24V winch motor for $100 very easily.  My only concern would be the windings 
overheating from extended periods of operation and shorting themselves.

Thanks for the help,
Aaron Stern

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[TANKS] List of Future Events?

[Aaron Stern]

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this hobby and have just finished (and retired) my first tank to 
begin work on version 2 which should be easier than solving my design issues 
with version 1.

I am located in Gainesville Georgia and was wondering where and when events are 
generally held.  Is there a list available somewhere? 

Thanks,
Aaron Stern

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[TANKS] Re: Missing Descussion

[Aaron]

I really wish someone would build in the Utah/California areas. Im right 
inbetween and no one to play with :(
 
 

On Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:55:53 PM UTC-8, Neil Rochford wrote:

>
>
> Looks great fun Aaron, and mighty fast. 
> I only hope you keep this hobby going also, People from your area will 
> build one day. 
> Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] STOP THE PRESSES!

[Aaron]

 "They come in three different sizes!"
 
 
Those sizes are as follows:
 "too big", "too small", and "size unavailable"
 
 

 

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[TANKS] Re: Missing Descussion

[Aaron]

For those who showed a little intrest in the carts, here are some vids of 
our racing this last week.
https://vimeo.com/55440650
https://vimeo.com/55420456
The Rally Del Muerte event was in Death Valley. Only the 1st race was 
recorded and reached 55mph. But the 3rd race was the fast one, I got up to 
72.3mph!
 
Aaron F

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Re: [TANKS] Sprockets for MY1016Z3 Motor

[Aaron]

I seem to remember "the rule of 4s". A 4" drive wheel at 400 rpm will give 
about 4mph. Plenty good enough.
 

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 10:26:20 AM UTC-8, tan...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> http://tncscooters.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=52_55&product_id=55
>
> Those have a 42 pitch sprocket on them and they are cheaper.  I bought 
> mine from TNC Scooters.  In the listing they say 3000 RPM, but that's what 
> the motor is spinning without the gearbox.  Nominal speed is around 400.  I 
> mated mine with a 10 or 11 tooth sprocket.  Basically whatever I found that 
> kept the ratio as close to 1:1 as I could find that fit on a 5/8" shaft. 
>  Some of the guys have bent 1/2" drive shafts so I stepped up to 5/8".  I 
> suck at math so I'm sure someone will chime in on that.
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Andy Kipp 
> > wrote:
>
>> Derek,
>>
>> Thanks for the input. I've actually been thinking about this a bit
>> after your comment. The motors I am using
>> (http://www.monsterscooterparts.com/24v-350w-motor-dirt-quad.html)
>> have a metric ISO 05 (8mm pitch) sprocket. I can find sprockets with
>> that pitch easily enough, but nothing with a 1/2 bore (obviously a
>> metric sprocket has a metric bore). What might be a cheaper option, is
>> to keep the 20 tooth sprocket that the motor comes with and buy the
>> ISO 05 sprockets and just bore them to 1/2" for the drive shaft. I
>> have a 1/8th keyway broach already so it shouldn't cost me anything
>> other then the cost of the sprockets.
>>
>> This brings me to a second though: what do people typically use for
>> their drive ratio? The motors are geared down to 375RPM, so with a
>> 1.25:1 drive ratio (25/20), thats about 300RPM on the drive axle. My
>> track sprockets are 4" in diameter, so thats a top speed of ~315 fpm
>> (3.6MPH), is that too slow? (my math may be wrong, or I may be
>> misunderstanding the physics here)
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:30 AM, TyngTech > 
>> wrote:
>> > Yep.  Frank has the broach and has been providing sprockets for several
>> > years now.
>> >
>> > ST
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 1:39:14 AM UTC-5, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I thought some of the east coast guys were already doing this sort of
>> >> thing?
>> >>
>> >> Derek
>> >
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[TANKS] Re: Missing Descussion

[Aaron]

>
> There is some great kart action in the UK. Alot more organized than ours 
>> as well.
>
>

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Re: [TANKS] forsale

[Aaron]

I have a 1:6 scale M4A3E8 Sherman that I might be willing to sell. All 
that is missing are turret functions. The hardware is there but I never 
finnished the assembly. See T076 on the tank page.  rctankcombat.com
 
Aaron F 
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On Friday, November 30, 2012 10:18:07 AM UTC-8, Ronald Donahue wrote:

>   Hi, i am sorry to bother everyone but is there a webpage with 
> classified ad for partially built or complete tanks or artillery forsale?
>
> Thank you Lee Donahue
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>  
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> *From: *Derek Engelhaupt >; 
> *To: *>; 
> *Subject: *Re: [TANKS] Re: I have been away, but stayed busy. 
> *Sent: *Fri, Nov 30, 2012 5:31:01 PM 
>
>   Three wheel motorcycles are not as stable as 2-wheeled motorcycles at 
> high corner speeds.  At low speeds a trike like that would be more stable 
> than it's two wheel brother.  It has to do with the weight transfer off the 
> rear wheel when cornering.  Motorcycles and trikes transfer the weight 
> differently than cars.  Something I have been learning to deal with being a 
> new motorcycle rider.  IMHO they are better off with 4 wheels even if they 
> are skinny. 
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM,  wrote:
>
>> ** 
>> that just looks like fun!
>>  
>> do they still use hand leavers for breaks or has someone taken the time 
>> to make a mechanical food break so one can keep both their hands free to be 
>> on the wheel?
>>  
>> i was looking at some of their designs, did i see one that had a custom 
>> made (fiberglass?) shell on it? it was blackish looking. at first we 
>> thought it was a car mixed in there, but then saw it wasn't.
>>  
>> i would think wide/wider front tires with a wider tire distance between 
>> them would be more ideal and maybe one, wide tire for the rear to help with 
>> navigating those turns better. those little front tires won't keep good 
>> ground contact for making a lot of those harder turns. but i guess if you 
>> fine nice, roads with soft or slight curves to it, that won't be much of an 
>> issue.
>>  
>> but i'd still want to have both of my hands on the wheel.
>>  
>> and roll cages, god, i can't believe most of them didn't have any kind 
>> roll cage. no way am i willing to just wear a helmet and let my head and 
>> shoulders take the brunt of a roll-over. i will say i did see a few that 
>> had some decent attempts at having them.
>>  
>> wish they did have something like that out this way even just 
>> to watch
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
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[TANKS] Missing Descussion

[Aaron]

Where did the soapbox topic go? And why no notice it was removed?

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[TANKS] Re: [TANKS O.T.] Re: I have been away, but stayed busy.

[Aaron]

I did not build the Danger Car car. I bought it from a guy who bought it 
from someone who stopped racing. I originaly was going to buy brakes, 
wheels and tires to upgrade a cart I already had, but bought this one for 
less than the total aamount of the new parts. Now I have 2 carts. 


The body on the car is small. It is hard to fit inside it for 6ft guy, so 
the body is lifted a little. There were wings front and back as well, but 
were cut off long long ago to improve aerodynamics. The wings slow it 
down.One of the modifications I need to do yet is to put a full belly plate 
on and enclose the sides and bottom.
 
Brake set ups are usually one of the following.
1:foot operated drums or disks on rear wheels only.
2:foot operated drums on all 4 wheels.
3:foot operated scrubs on rear wheels only.
Sometimes in the cases of 1 or 2, they will have a secondary hand 
lever operated scrub.
 
 
 
On Friday, November 30, 2012 11:47:39 AM UTC-8, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:

>   In a message dated 11/30/2012 2:11:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> afre...@live.com  writes:
>
> This one is mine. It has, since this picture was taken, gotten a new paint 
> job and will soon have a roll bar. It is called the Danger Car. It's been 
> around since the early days of sport and was more akin to demolition derby 
> car than a racer. Now days it is vey fast and has disk brakes.
>
> about your car, is there a front wing to go in front of the front wheels? 
> it almost looks like there was to be one, but not attached at the time of 
> the photo.
>  
> might i also ask why you didn't either drop the body down lower or extend 
> the sides closer to the ground to create something more air-stream.
>  
> disc breaks, love it! but what kind of drag do they produce.
>  
> now the secondary breaks, would that be a separate break system for the 
> front wheels or would it be more like an E-break over the rear breaks.
>  
> as to your comment on the bike tires, i was thinking the same thing while 
> watching the videos, that and they must really suck for making any kind of 
> a fast turn as they have next to no ground surface contact.
>  
> my mother looked at me as i started talking out load as those nuts on them 
> belly skate-board looking things kept trying to put their left foot down 
> while making a right turn and how it should have been their right foot. was 
> waiting to see someone snap an ankle
>  
> Chris
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: I have been away, but stayed busy.

[Aaron]

Most of the popular vidoes of the "soapboxing" are old and back when many 
people were more concerned with low-buck fun rather than personal safty. 
Nowdays roll bars, harnesses and vehicle safety inspections are 
commonly mandatory . Some still roll in $100 jalopies made from shopping 
carts and wheel barrows, others are spending $5000 in parts and 
engineering. 
4 wheels, effective brakes and Helmets are requirements for anyone in any 
group anywhere. 
People get creative for car bodies as well, from shopping carts, wheel 
barrows, saran wrap, campaign signs, bumpercars, to cartop storage 
containers. A large variety of tires and wheels are used from Go cart, 
bike, trailer, ATV, and motorcycle wheels. Bike tires fold up on tight 
turns and tall motorcyle tires also have troubles, but the rest seem to do 
alright. The trick is to have grip and low rolling resistance. Not exactly 
hand in hand qualities. 
Some use disk brakes, or drums, or even scrubs (plates that push directly 
against the tire itself). Most are foot operated and some have a hand 
operated secondary break.


This one is mine. It has, since this picture was taken, gotten a new paint 
job and will soon have a roll bar. It is called the Danger Car. It's been 
around since the early days of sport and was more akin to demolition derby 
car than a racer. Now days it is vey fast and has disk brakes.

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[TANKS] Re: I have been away, but stayed busy.

[Aaron]

You have it wrong, Tyng my friend. These guys are very safe and 
responsible. Safty and support crews come to help secure that things go 
smoothly. All aplicable laws are obeyed and they fully cooperate with law 
enforcement personel. 
Though many years ago this was started by irresposible hooligans out for 
good clean fun, it quickly evolved into a legit organization who use more 
caution and common sense than 95% of motorists use. Urban streets are no 
longer used and lots of research is done to find roads that are low 
traffic, and times of day when that taffic is even lower, almost always 
completly vacant.
I see your concerns, but they are addressed and not an issue any more than 
driving your own car is. Have you  ever run over a 5 year old? Niether have 
they and for the same reasons. 
I drive these, and from first hand experience can say we are safe about the 
way we play. We do nothing that is not allowed to other non-motorized 
vehicles such as bicycles.
Try it, Tyng. You might like it. :)

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[TANKS] Re: I have been away, but stayed busy.

[Aaron]

The days old the gravity powered demolition derby are mostly over. The
stupid and insane have killed themseves off and who's left are prety
responsible. Still crazy, but resposible.
Anyone back East wanting to check it out, they are having their season
championship race on the 9th. See the downhillmisfits.com page for
details.
I have a race in Death Valley, CA on the 8th. We are looking at speeds
possibly 70-80mph.
http://home.earthlink.net/~gravityracer/

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[TANKS] I have been away, but stayed busy.

[Aaron]

You may have (or not) missed me as I have been silent for a while.
Without any hope of nearby tanker these days I have had little
motivation to finnish T076.
These days I have mixed myself up with gravity racing, or as some call
it, illegal soapbaox racing. This is a very special brand of
motorsports because, well, there is no motor. Just like the days of
cub scouts running down the nighborhood hill in a box with rollerskate
wheels and a rope to steer the front wheels, overgrown kids( 25-65 yrs
old) meet at the top of long steep twisty vacant roads and race to the
bottom with naught but gravity to propel them.
There are a few such groups around the country including a large and
active group in Maryland called the MISFITS.
http://downhillmisfits.com/
Others in the country include SUCKER, VULGAR, SFVISBF, and NUDRS.
NUDRS, Nevada Underground Downhill Racing Syndicate is a group of my
own making. Just recently founded and still building members, we push
our creations to the limit is the name of low-buck entertainment.
See youtube for videos and an idea of what this is about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBboEAnhTI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpYd4eyTaM

Just had to share this with the group. Hopefuly I will get back to the
Sherman soon.

Aaron F

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[TANKS] New Guy + Speed Controllers

[Aaron Rowan]

Hey guys,

I have to say, I'm very impressed and appreciative of the level of detail 
and ingenuity put into this whole organization.
The construction steps are great.  The compare/contrast and How to's are 
great.  
Very cool.

I've played a bit with robotics through FIRST.  Know a deal of basics, but 
it's such a broad and demanding spectrum of skills.
Mechanical, Electrical, Programming (Potentially) that I'm a long way from 
you guys.  Perhaps most on the fabing side.

Regardless, I have come across a pretty decent speed controller which seems 
to be signfiicantly better than the Victors.
I have 2 left over victors, which don't seem to want to calibrate for me, 
so I bought one of these: 
http://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/sabertooth2x25
Pretty nice.

Almost have my drive scheme going.  I'll post updates later. somehow...

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[TANKS] Re: GoPro HERO3

[Aaron]

was there suposed to be a link?
 
I would love a GoPro camera for all sorts of my activities.
 
 

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:08:40 AM UTC-7, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:

>  Just received this and thought it might be of some interest to anyone 
> who has been thinking of getting one of them GoPro camera's for their tank 
> (or anything else)
>  
> Chris
>

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[TANKS] Re: ASCII Tanks...part II

[Aaron]

Nice Cromwell, do you have program to convert images into text?
 
A L F
 
 

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:32:58 PM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote:

> You all are so 80's...
>
>
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[TANKS] Re: ASCII Tanks...part II

[Aaron]

Try this one on for size
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://georgiatechcatea.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/acsii_tank.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.cheatmasters.com/general-discussion-forum/13616-keyboard-art.html&usg=__gJzf3GK0VIYgaH1-zII4ugu007w=&h=406&w=718&sz=50&hl=en&start=2&sig2=qn-06OlCLInSGj-t5Q3k5Q&zoom=1&tbnid=A4sXAz1kDKUkSM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=140&ei=frZ5ULGQAoXg8wSYuYHYAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkeyboard%2Bart%2Btank%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

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[TANKS] Re: ASCII Tanks...part II

[Aaron]

very nice, i like it

On Oct 13, 11:40 am, "Dave D."  wrote:
> OKAY, okay, so it was an ice pick!!!
>
> D.
>
>
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Dave D.
>   To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:36 PM
>   Subject: [TANKS] ASCII Tanks...part II
>
>   Well, here are my feeble attempts...
>
>   I hope my real JS-III build goes even just half as fast and looks twenty 
> times as good!!  LOL.
>
>   Dave "when's the next battle?  I got my tanks ready!!"  D.   ; )
>
>                                                  __
>                           (            )#
>                          /__\
>                         (O       *         *          *      O)
>                           \_O__O__O__O__O__O__/
>
>   the "no extra fuel tanks" variant...
>
>                                             __
>                      __{_}__{_}/                  \#
>                     /__\
>                   (O               *             *              *             
> O)
>                     \__OOOOOO/
>
>   the "stretch limo" variant...
>
>                                          
>                            _[]_[]___/_\===#
>                           /___\
>                           (O          *          *           *         O)
>                             \_O___O___O___O___O___O_/
>
>   the "I almost got it" variant...
>
>                                                              _
>                                               /                
> \=#
>                               _[]__[]___/___\__
>                             /                                                 
>       \
>                            /_\
>                           (O            o             o             o         
>    O)
>                            \__OOOOOO___/
>
>   the "high rise Kremlin building" variant...
>
>                                                             
>                                   _|||__|||_/\=#
>                                  /\
>                                 (O         *         *         *         O)
>                                   \__O__O__O__O__O__O___/
>
>   the "Leon Trotsky submitted" variant...  (close, but no cigar, Leon.  
> However, we have a nice hatchet for second place...)
>
>                                                         
>                                  __|||_|||___/_\==#
>                                 /___\
>                                (O         *         *        *        O)
>                                 \___O__O__O__O__O__O__/
>
>   the "Iosif V. Dzhugashvili approved, like it or you die, comrade" 
> variant... (notice the subtle, yet vital changes made...see above 
> variant-LOL).
>
>   OR if you smiled at him the right way, "Joe" might have reconsidered your 
> death sentence, and offered you a government subsidized, rent stabilized flat 
> in downtown Novosibirsk, for life...
>
>   PS    I must say, I think I nailed it on this last attempt!!    Psst... 
> Actually, the second to last one is beginning to grow on me, but please, 
> PLEASE comrade, don't tell Joe I said this!!  LOL, well sort of laughing...
>
>   I dare anyone to try an ASCII Neubaufahrzeug or a T-35!!   D.
>
>   PSII   Funny when you spell check the e-mail, it goes through every letter 
> in each tank!
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[TANKS] Re: ;^]

[Aaron]

ok, it looked fine on my home computer, but looks like crap on my work
computer. Doh!

On Oct 13, 9:26 am, "Dave D."  wrote:
> Very impressed, Aaron!!  How does your JS-III look?  LOL.
>
> Dave D.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [TANKS] ;^]
>
>               ===
>   __|_|___#_|==
>  \\__|__
> ( ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) )
>  """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>      PzVI Tiger 1
>
> Sometimes I just get bored. Well, maybe a lot of the time. Besides, it has
> been quiet lately.
>
> Aaron F
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Re: [TANKS] ;^]

[Aaron]

  ===
  __|_|___#_|==€
 \\__|__
( ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) ( O ) )
 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
 PzVI Tiger 1

Sometimes I just get bored. Well, maybe a lot of the time. Besides, it has been 
quiet lately.

Aaron F

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[TANKS] ;^]

[Aaron]

 _
  _ /__*___\Bang!
 /_\
(O  *   *   * O)
 \O_O_O_O_O_O/

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Re: [TANKS] A Real Tank LOL

[Aaron]

Australians would use Fosters and Candaians, Molson. And dont forget Utah, 
they would use Coca-Cola.
 

 

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Re: [TANKS] My T34/85

[Aaron]

The T076 Sherman has very extensive use and abuse as fully functional 
chasis. Only the top half (turret and gun) has yet to be finnished. Tracks 
and suspension still running strong.
 
Indeed I am looking forward to extended battle condition tests. Is there by 
chance a possibility of a "Winter War"? I will be back east visiting family 
from 11/26/12 - 11/10/12 and would be happy to bring my tank for battle.
 
Aaron "determined to battle" Freeman

On Friday, September 14, 2012 1:40:23 PM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote: 
>
> Indeed, it does run very well.  Nice work. 
>
> Hopefully you'll be able to test it under extended battling conditions 
> over many years to see how it stacks up. 
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Friday, September 14, 2012 3:35:12 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>
>> I think your suspension runs quite well Aaron.  Very nice. 
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Aaron  wrote:
>>
>>> You are mistaken Mr Tyng, my Sherman is of the Easy 8 persuasion with 
>>> real return rollers and a track with a single center located guide tab per 
>>> track link. I prefer the Sherman type bogies to other suspension designs 
>>> because, 1- they look cool, and 2- they take up absolutly no interior 
>>> space. I simplified my design by forgoing a true fully-suspended system in 
>>> favor of a rocker/indepndent hybrid set-up. It's not a smooth runing as  
>>> full suspension models, but much smoother than non-suspended ones, plus I 
>>> am able to keep my tracks in full contact with the road wheels at all times 
>>> over any terrain.\
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n70zhVIBd_g
>>>  
>>>  Aaron F
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:59:22 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which is also why the KV has no problems with this either.  I would 
>>>> agree with Steve though that the Christie system is simpler. 
>>>>
>>>> Derek
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Butts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the
>>>>> return rollers are 2.25"+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers
>>>>> are 2.75"+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no
>>>>> problem.
>>>>> Mike B
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/14/12, TyngTech  wrote:
>>>>> > Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart.  This WW1 
>>>>> legacy
>>>>> > suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath.  The 
>>>>> tracks
>>>>> > dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. 
>>>>>  I
>>>>> > concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the
>>>>> > half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited
>>>>> > suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart.  For those wanting a
>>>>> > mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build 
>>>>> a
>>>>> > Christie suspension and forget about return rollers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Steve Tyng
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, 
>>>>> > tan...@gmail.comwrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve.  If 
>>>>> small
>>>>> >> idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> track
>>>>> >> ala Stuart or an early Sherman.  Problem solved.  Any problem can 
>>>>> be fixed
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> with enough time or money... :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Derek "my KV-2 has idlers and no issues"  Engelhaupt
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech >>>> >> 
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> "I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... 
>>>>> 

Re: [TANKS] My T34/85

[Aaron]

You are mistaken Mr Tyng, my Sherman is of the Easy 8 persuasion with real 
return rollers and a track with a single center located guide tab per track 
link. I prefer the Sherman type bogies to other suspension designs because, 
1- they look cool, and 2- they take up absolutly no interior space. I 
simplified my design by forgoing a true fully-suspended system in favor of 
a rocker/indepndent hybrid set-up. It's not a smooth runing as  full 
suspension models, but much smoother than non-suspended ones, plus I am 
able to keep my tracks in full contact with the road wheels at all times 
over any terrain.\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n70zhVIBd_g
 
 Aaron F

On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:59:22 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Which is also why the KV has no problems with this either.  I would agree 
> with Steve though that the Christie system is simpler. 
>
> Derek
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Butts 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the
>> return rollers are 2.25"+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers
>> are 2.75"+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no
>> problem.
>> Mike B
>>
>> On 9/14/12, TyngTech > wrote:
>> > Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart.  This WW1 legacy
>> > suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath.  The 
>> tracks
>> > dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports.  I
>> > concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the
>> > half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system.
>> >
>> > For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited
>> > suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart.  For those wanting a
>> > mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a
>> > Christie suspension and forget about return rollers.
>> >
>> > Steve Tyng
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.comwrote:
>> >>
>> >> On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve.  If small
>> >> idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the
>> >> track
>> >> ala Stuart or an early Sherman.  Problem solved.  Any problem can be 
>> fixed
>> >>
>> >> with enough time or money... :)
>> >>
>> >> Derek "my KV-2 has idlers and no issues"  Engelhaupt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech > >> 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it
>> >>> seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a
>> >>> picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung 
>> out
>> >>> above the road wheels."
>> >>>
>> >>> I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder.  The
>> >>> smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height.  Bigger tabs
>> >>> mean
>> >>> better track performance.  There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are 
>> based
>> >>> off
>> >>> of Christie inspired tanks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve "Christie is my Deity" Tyng
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [TANKS] My T34/85

[Aaron]

 my sherman has return rollers and has never shed a track despite my trying 
to do exactly that.
 

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote:

> On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve.  If small 
> idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track 
> ala Stuart or an early Sherman.  Problem solved.  Any problem can be fixed 
> with enough time or money... :)
>
> Derek "my KV-2 has idlers and no issues"  Engelhaupt
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech 
> > wrote:
>
>> "I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it 
>> seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a 
>> picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out 
>> above the road wheels."
>>
>> I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder.  The 
>> smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height.  Bigger tabs mean 
>> better track performance.  There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off 
>> of Christie inspired tanks.
>>
>> Steve "Christie is my Deity" Tyng
>>
>>
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[TANKS] Re: 1/5 sherman

[Aaron]

I suggest posting a video of it fully opperational and shooting paintballs. 
You could even post it on  Ebay.
 
Love it by the way.
 
Aaron F
 
 

On Monday, August 20, 2012 3:09:44 PM UTC-7, bass...@aol.com wrote:

>  yes the tank is fully functional.24 v wheelchair motors,16 ga 
> construction,42in long 22 wide 21 high,rotary paint ball mag(about 30 
> shots),55 cal paint gun.Over 100lbs.lots of stainless steel.Make me an 
> offer.
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Re: [TANKS] Re: A Bridge Too Far

[Aaron]

Always promising, never delivering. 
JK, lol

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:41:59 AM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote:

> Just learned the in-laws are in that week.  The Tyng B&B WILL NOT be 
> available!
>
> Sorry about that
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:58:58 AM UTC-4, LIJagdpanther888 wrote:
>>
>>  Hey Steve,
>>  
>> Nice reply to the "Old vs New" tanks... I echoed your thought process, 
>> more or less.
>>  
>> Oh yeah, as I wipe this brownish err... nose...err...
>>  
>> So I hear you have a guest room or two...
>>  
>> I would definitely be interested!!
>>  
>> What are the going rates?
>>  
>> Just putting dibs in...
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Dave D.
>>
>>

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[TANKS] Re: A Bridge Too Far

[Aaron]

I must see if a vacation spot is open so I may trek across the great span 
of the continent.
 

On Monday, August 27, 2012 7:18:23 AM UTC-7, Frank Pittelli wrote:

> In less than 4 weeks (Sept 22), a swarm of tankers will descend on a 
> farm in Hampstead, Maryland to feast on a bumper crop of paintballs. The 
> battlefield to be used could result in battles amongst the most 
> interesting ever held, with no less than three bridges across a creek 
> running right across the middle of the battlefield and plenty of open 
> and protected areas on both sides. 
>
> If you plan on being in the Maryland area during that time, let us know 
> and we'll pass along the directions.   We always have plenty of spare 
> gear, so spectators can soon become combatants and join in the fun. 
>
> Frank "Just One More Bridge" Pittelli 
>

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[TANKS] Re: Home made speed controller (ESC) 24V 160A continuous, 400A peak

[Aaron]

Very cool, do you plan to market them?
 
Aaron F
 

On Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:54:57 AM UTC-7, Sam D'Haene wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It has been a while, but maybe some people can remember me from the T053 
> (T-34/85 tank).
> I was always fascinated by the working principles of an ESC. For a long 
> time my idea was to build one by my self.
>
> Finally I have build a speed controller for a robot project. It's based at 
> the OSMC H-bridge (http://www.robotpower.com/products/osmc_info.html) 
> I've build 2 of these boards(single layer design).
>
> For the T053 I've bought in the past several ESC's from Anvilus Machine 
> works. (with 4 automotive relais and 2 solid state relays).
> Because the microchip used on the anvilus ESC had all the functions I 
> need, (RC input, channel mixing, motor direction and speed (PWM) as output) 
> I could reuse the controller to drive the boards.
> So I've made a 3th PCB for the micro controller.
>
> The result is awesome. 
> I've proportional speed, and I could do perfect skid steering with my 
> weight on the robot. The robot has 350W geared motors (M01 motor).
>
> The price was around €50 (65$) per board, and the PCB with the micro 
> controller was about €15 (20$).
> The total cost was less then 150$ for a 24V 160A ESC which is relative 
> cheap. Much cheaper then the equally stuf you can find at 
> RobotMarketPlace.com
>
> Watch the pictures.
>
> I hope this helps a bit.  I can always give more information or share some 
> files.
>
> I'm still planning on rebuilding my T053 (T34/85 tank) in steel, but the 
> university is taking to much time now. But definatly this ESC come's in my 
> tank :D
>
> Greetings
>
> Sam D'Haene
> Belgium
>
>
>
> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m41lg938IC0/UDifFMfzF1I/AAM/G7-MUG5KZj0/s1600/IMG_3420.JPG>
>
>
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JpKzW7uXlq0/UDifI3SiVNI/AAk/VQXco-grVLU/s1600/IMG_3423.JPG>
>
>
> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aAE99y9eTa8/UDifGOzIB_I/AAU/Ng3ZqXAHNt4/s1600/IMG_3422.JPG>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CWT6VeXVQc8/UDifHI2OISI/AAc/f-KPJBkIQCA/s1600/IMG_3421.JPG>
>  
>
>

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[TANKS] New School vs Old School

[Aaron]

Funny how I was going to start this conversation topic and all of a sudden 
some one comes out saying they are going to build a modern MBT. But this is 
my question.
 
Why are the overwelming majority of our tanks of the WW2 era and not of the 
modern design? What drives most of us to model after older and inferior 
armor instead of the newer and superior breeds?
 
I chose an M4 Sherman variant as my own despite the obvious flaws and 
limitations it possesed in history. I did so for a few reasons
- It had simple lines
- It was iconic American
- It for some reason spoke to me in a way that no other had
That may sound funny, but I wasnt really overly interested in the biggest 
and the baddest. I was drawn instead to the over worked and under powered 
machine that did by sheer determination.
 
What are your thoughts? What made you choose yours?
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: Hi from Montréal

[Aaron]

Welcome Canada,
 Glad to hear you are joining us. Always happy to welcome more to the 
community. Welcome. Leopard IIs are nice and I personaly am excited to see 
another build. Be sure to keep us informed with pictures and comments. Here 
is wishing you the best.
 
Aaron F
 
 
 
On Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:48:38 AM UTC-7, Paul-Andre Chapdelaine wrote:

>
>  Hi there everyone! 
>
>  I stumbled on your group a few weeks back and got pretty interrested in 
> the hobby, the way you guys do it, the collaboration, the end result, the 
> simple prospect of hours of fun and hard work in the shop followed by 
> some remote controled paintball tank games in the field. 
>
>  For a little about me, I'm in Montr�al, Canada.  I have no military 
> experience like some of you have but I do hunt large game and play 
> paintball as well.  Recent medical conditions have forced me to stop 
> active paintballing but the prospect of a more complex, developped, 
> remote controlled activity with hours of handy work is appealing.  I 
> needed something to occupy my hands and my mind outside of work :-) 
>
>  I'm thinking about a Leopard 2, already bought a Tamiya 1:35 model to 
> have a reference in scale.  Chose this one, question of keeping a little 
> nationalism with my fellow Canadian soldiers who use them. 
>
>  I'm currently gathering ideas and informations, as much as I can from 
> reading your exchanges, here and also from the website.  How to build or 
> what to buy for tracks.  Motors, etc... 
>
>  Someone mentionned looking at Intralox tracks, I visited their website 
> but didn't find exactly what would be required in 85mm or so, tracks.  If 
> one of us contacted them and got more information, availability, pricing 
> etc... I'd be interrested. 
>
>  So far I'm thinking 12" aluminium, slim, lazy-suzan for turret support 
> and rotation, Tippmann 98 I already have as paintball marker... I'm also 
> thinking of a mechanical way to keep all the electronics in the hull and 
> have a dumb, fully 360� capable turret.  But I'm sure I will learn a lot 
> as you guys did, when I begin putting the things together for real. 
>
>  It's fun and often amazing reading you and watching what you've come up 
> with... I hope I'll be able to show up eventually with my own tank on the 
> field. 
>  Any stories about crossing the border with an RC tank in the trunk?  :-) 
>
>
> PA Chapdelaine 
> Montr�al, QC, Canada 
>

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[TANKS] Re: The only Kitty a Kitty Killer Kould Kill LOL

[Aaron]

Dont be hate'n on American Super Heavies.
 
And yes, it's cute.
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: what about one of these tanks?

[Aaron]

Never used in combat, but it is a real beast to play in World Of Tanks :). 
By far better than the Tiger1, and indestructable in a hull down position.
 
Aaron F

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Re: [TANKS] New

[Aaron]

Welcome Dennis, and congrats on choosing a great target. er, tank for 
your first build. ;)  I spent some time up in your neck of the woods, Moose 
Jaw, Saskatoon and Flin Flon. Too cold, I moved back to Las Vegas.
I hope your build goes well and that you share every part of it with us 
all. 
 
Aaron F
 
Is the Maus even eligible by the rules for battle participation? I should 
be.

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[TANKS] Re: An August UK battle date-

[Aaron]

Very nice, I am amazed at how much our Brittish brothers can do on so 
little land. Cant  wait to see more and read the reports.
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: My friend Kurt

[Aaron]

I was introduced to Kurt by John P when I joined the hobby a few years ago. 
It was quite a surprise to learn we both worked for the same police 
department. We spent a few good days together when our shcedules allowed 
and talked tanks, cars, and off-roading. I am very sad to hear of his 
passing and wish we could have spent more time playing around. We never did 
get to battle like we always said we would, but he will always be here with 
us in our hearts and memories. 
Goodbye, Kurt. We shall all meet again after our time here is done.
 
Aaron Freeman
 

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:20:11 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:

>  I just found out today that Kurt passed away last month from 
> complications related to his surgery. His wife told me that he was still 
> upbeat at the end and that he passed away without pain.
> I first met Kurt because of our hats that we were selling many 
> years ago for the club . Since I was traveling to Las Vegas were he lived, 
> we thought it would be a nice idea to meet up. Kurt said we could go meet 
> his friend at the toy store. Well, he comes to pick me up , and as I enter 
> his truck there is a 9mm pistol on the seat. Kurt saw my eyes go wide and 
> said  "Oops, I'm a police officer, don't worry" and showed me his badge.   
> Whew.  So off to see the owner of the toy store. Now, since we'd discussed 
> conversion of the plastic Stuart online many times I figured it was a true 
> toy store. I also was not too excited about going but, you, know, when in 
> Vegas.
> As we left the downtown shopping area we proceeded to the 
> industrial area. You know, drab buildings.high steel fences with razor 
> wire. We pull into one of these and as we turn the corner I now understood 
> the reason Kurt wanted me to see the "TOY STORE". Sitting outside his 
> friends building is a fully operational Saladin armored car. And inside is 
> a Ferret in final restoration. This was the moment that the "Alliance" was 
> formed.
>Since that day, Kurt and I became fast friends. When his job 
> brought him east to DC he would come up for dinner, or to do a little 
> woodsball paintball. When I would go to Vegas, we'd meet up to discuss 
> tanks, his restoration of his Datsun 240z  and other junk that friends 
> waste their time debating.  The one thing that always will stay with me 
> about Kurt is the joy he had about life in general. In the picture where 
> Kurt is taking possession of the Brummbar, the smile you see on his face 
> was the same one I saw every time we met.And I'm sure it was on his 
> face daily.
>  I will miss you my friend. 
>
> John "The Alliance lives" Pittelli
>  
>

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[TANKS] Re: T076 Sherman

[Aaron]

T076 Sherman runs 
agin
 
My tank runs again for the first time in over a year! I am so happy. 
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: T076 Sherman

[Aaron]

Well, the batteries re good, but for some reason the left track is not 
turning. Hmmm. I was hoping to get this diagnosed at the Hackers meeeting I 
go to but the last one was canceled unexpectedly. Will try again for this 
week.
 
 

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[TANKS] T076 Sherman

[Aaron]

I finnaly got my batteries in! 4x 12v/12amp batts that should serve me 
well, are now charging as we speak. Tomorrow will see a  round of testing 
and tinkering to get the Sherman back to running order.
 
Aaron F
 

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Re: [TANKS] Mittlerer Ladungsträger Springer, Sd.Kfz. 304

[Aaron]

Yes, the rules state main guns of either 70mm+ or <70mm as the deciding 
factor. But does "no gun" = <70mm? I can find no mention of a Springer 
armed with anything other than 330kg of Sprengstoff explosives (not exactly 
a gun).
 
However, I did find a link mentioning plans for a Springer based 
Kleinpanzer Wanze mounting a 105mm IG recoiless gun, but that would fall 
under the rocket launcher catagory if I am not mistaken.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/mittlere-ladungstrager-springer-sdkfz304.htm
 
Could I get away with claiming that the German soldier driving it is armed 
with at least a MP40 submachinegun, thus the Springer having a gun of 
<70mm? Another longshot I know.
 
Aaron "stretch it some more" F

>   
>  
> The rules state that a tank is "any fully tracked vehicle"
>  
> The rules also state that a tank is "allowed a single, semi-automatic 
> paintball marker"
>  
> The rules further clarify the main gun  as being 70mm+ (40 paint balls) or 
> <70mm (30 paintballs)
>  
> The springer is a fully tracked vehical making it a tank, a tank is 
> allowed a paintball marker, the springer can be mounted with a paintball 
> marker.
> The original springer had a main gun that was less than 70mm (0 is less 
> than 70) it is allowed 30 paintballs.
>  
> D"Loophole" Smith
>
>

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Re: [TANKS] Mittlerer Ladungsträger Springer, Sd.Kfz. 304

[Aaron]

OK, dont get all excited about this one, it's a long shot I know, but.
Are there any rules about adding guns to vehicle that did not historicly 
mount them?
 In such a case, could I say it's got a MG42 or a Pak 35/36 37mm 
cannon, just so I can mount a paint ball gun on it?

>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: suspension questions

[Aaron]

Jarring movements and vibrations will always play a part in waer and tear, 
yet in this hobby, little reliability has been sacrificed when a fixed 
non-suspended wheel format has been used. Franks T001 Tiger has none, yet 
enjoys a very very long and life still running around today.
Many people suggest this, and I will now agree. Make your first tank 
without suspension. Dont bother. After it is done and all kinks worked out 
you can do a few things.
1- Leave well enough alone and enjoy your WMD.
2- Upgrade your chasis to a suspended verion.
3- Build another tank with suspension and loan your first out to a buddy 
when it's time to play.
I suggest option 3.
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Mittlerer Ladungsträger Springer, Sd.Kfz. 304

[Aaron]

I came across this little guy for the first time yesterday. I fell in love 
with it just as I did with the Ford 3-ton, the idea of having such a small 
target running around the field is a very appealing notion. The problem is 
what would be it's use.
It is the Mittlerer Ladungsträger Springer, Sd.Kfz. 304, or "Springer" for 
short. a demolition vehicle of the German 
*Wehrmacht*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht>in 
*World War II* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>. 

Based on the well-known *NSU*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_Motorenwerke_AG> 
*Kettenkrad* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettenkrad>, the *NSU Werke 
AG*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_Motorenwerke_AG>at 
*Neckarsulm* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckarsulm>, Germany, developed 
and built around 50 Springer demolition vehicles in the final year of World 
War II.
 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Springer_Demolition_Vehicle.jpg><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Springer_Demolition_Vehicle.jpg>
<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v5cpxB1fUUA/UBFNxPueUDI/ABs/8l8AyTIwToE/s1600/Springer4.jpg>
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VKPNZ3zFfpE/UBFNsgIvkBI/ABk/m1AgDO4XLdk/s1600/Springer3>
<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GhSwKGkgPi4/UBFNpN2caGI/ABc/D-fX7zCpoLw/s1600/Springer2.jpg>
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vkjT7BZa-WU/UBFNeX5sSlI/ABU/Jhwi0Q-pvmw/s1600/Springer1.jpg>
Too small to be of use as a taditional SV transporting goods, and no gun 
for "tank" status, it finds it's self in a funny. Since it was designed to 
be loaded with explosives and then driven to a target and then detonated, I 
was wondering if we could give it a special ability of a "touch attack". 
Run it right up to an enemy asset, touch it, and boom, one-hit -kill! Both 
Springer and enemy asset would be destroyed, having to respawn back at 
base. (just an idea)
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: suspension questions

[Aaron]

It does not seem that anyone has done this exact set up before, but dont 
obsess about building it exactly as it was in reality (most of us do not 
hold much stock in reality). Instead, simplify and get to battles sooner. 
Many of the all time greats (T001) run without any suspension at all, 
others use whatever will fit best in thier limited available space 
reguardless of historical accuracy.
 
Have you thot about reducing the road wheel number to a more convienent 6 
per side? That would allow you to spring them all in pairs without that odd 
one out. I would even recomend the same set up as on my own T076 Sherman. 
Simple and effective is traversing all terrain and keeping the road wheels 
in contact with the track at all times.
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: suspension questions

[Aaron]

or did you mean a set up like the Valentine?
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=2025&bih=1049&tbm=isch&tbnid=VXBkbStn6lLxKM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ipmslondon.ca/old%2520site/ipmslondon.tripod.com/armourreferencearticles/id23.html&docid=J7msi3ZHmRVlYM&imgurl=http://www.ipmslondon.ca/old%252520site/ipmslondon.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/valentine2.jpg&w=1140&h=650&ei=SGIPUIzoO-aEiwLPqICIAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=711&vpy=173&dur=2804&hovh=169&hovw=297&tx=162&ty=88&sig=100693707269072077702&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=219&start=0&ndsp=45&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:85
 
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=2025&bih=1049&tbm=isch&tbnid=OsdKe6oXDNTXfM:&imgrefurl=http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D3964&docid=fYjuPgQNHJ6KJM&imgurl=http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forumfiles/Modelling/Suspension.JPG&w=608&h=380&ei=SGIPUIzoO-aEiwLPqICIAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=599&vpy=710&dur=1807&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=162&ty=88&sig=100693707269072077702&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=208&start=0&ndsp=45&ved=1t:429,r:38,s:0,i:196

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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

If the Scorpion Mini runs better without the jumper, why is it there at 
all? Sorry, I just dont understand these things.
And after the snip, my 24v turret motor will not damage the ESC (provided I 
use a chunk of aluminum for cooling)?
 
Aaron "sorry for silly questions" Freeman
 

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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

Sorry, What is a BEC?
 

On Friday, July 20, 2012 7:29:18 AM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote:

>  The Scorpion Mini is a great little ESC and has been spinning the 
> Cromwell's turret since 05 without issue. At 24v you should consider 
> disabling the onboard BEC otherwise it will run hotter than it should. This 
> is done by desoldering and removing the onboard voltage converter.  The 
> ESC is rated at 2.5A continuous and 4A surge.  I’d highly recommend 
> mounting it to a chunk of aluminum for cooling.  Robot Power has a new 
> higher rated ESC called the WASP.  It's a bit more refined in that you 
> can disable the BEC by snipping a jumper.  It is rated 10A continuous and 
> 30A peak.  
>
>  
>
> IMO, Robot Power makes some of the most rock solid ESC’s available.
>
>  
>
> Steve Tyng
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:47:22 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote:
>
>> I have a geared motor on the T076 Sherman that I got from Kurt. he said 
>> it was from the original PzIV form of the Brummbar. If he is wrong then 
>> I apologize for his obvious attempts to decive me, and in turn, you.
>> I assume the Scorpion Mini is a variable speed? Or is not?
>>  
>> Aaron F
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:35:09 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:
>>
>>> Aaron,
>>>
>>>It's rated up to 24 volts with a minor adjustment. What motor are you 
>>> talking about? I have the old motor from the Pz IV. Are you talking about 
>>> the motor I used in the Comet? The big globe motor? If so, I was running 
>>> that on 18 volts. Plenty of zip on the rotate when needed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:16:20 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> John (jvragu47)-
>>>> Will it work well for the turret motor from the old T012 PzIV while 
>>>> running on 24v?
>>>>  
>>>> Aaron F
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:01:18 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aaron,
>>>>> I've been using the scorpion mini from robot marketplace. 
>>>>> Works great. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:54:55 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What have you found to be a good turret ECS for the rotate/elevate?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Aaron F
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

Yes, it is the same. I seem to remember it being a 24v aplication (i will 
check again). 
Here is mine, I added a dust jacket over my exposed parts.
<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WEqvABast0Y/UAjPXd4CZLI/ABI/0zLdy4HyEF8/s1600/GEDC0794.JPG>
 
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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

I have a geared motor on the T076 Sherman that I got from Kurt. he said it 
was from the original PzIV form of the Brummbar. If he is wrong then 
I apologize for his obvious attempts to decive me, and in turn, you.
I assume the Scorpion Mini is a variable speed? Or is not?
 
Aaron F
 
 
 
 
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:35:09 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:

> Aaron,
>
>It's rated up to 24 volts with a minor adjustment. What motor are you 
> talking about? I have the old motor from the Pz IV. Are you talking about 
> the motor I used in the Comet? The big globe motor? If so, I was running 
> that on 18 volts. Plenty of zip on the rotate when needed.
>
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:16:20 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote: 
>>
>> John (jvragu47)-
>> Will it work well for the turret motor from the old T012 PzIV while 
>> running on 24v?
>>  
>> Aaron F
>>  
>>  
>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:01:18 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:
>>
>>> Aaron,
>>> I've been using the scorpion mini from robot marketplace. 
>>> Works great. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:54:55 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> What have you found to be a good turret ECS for the rotate/elevate?
>>>>  
>>>> Aaron F
>>>>
>>>

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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

John (jvragu47)-
Will it work well for the turret motor from the old T012 PzIV while running 
on 24v?
 
Aaron F
 
 
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:01:18 PM UTC-7, jvragu47 wrote:

> Aaron,
> I've been using the scorpion mini from robot marketplace. 
> Works great. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:54:55 PM UTC-4, Aaron wrote: 
>>
>> What have you found to be a good turret ECS for the rotate/elevate?
>>  
>> Aaron F
>>
>

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[TANKS] Re: Turret ECS

[Aaron]

I did mean ESC, forgive me, I was very sleepy. am very sleepy.
 
 

On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:54:55 PM UTC-7, Aaron wrote:

> What have you found to be a good turret ECS for the rotate/elevate?
>  
> Aaron F
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[TANKS] Turret ECS

[Aaron]

What have you found to be a good turret ECS for the rotate/elevate?
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Las Vegas SYN SHOP Hackespace

[Aaron]

A recent hackerspace has come to the Las Vegas area known as the Syn Shop. 
It is a community collection of hackers, engineers, welders, woodworkers, 
mechanics, techs, nerds and hobbyists all meeting together to share ideas, 
expertiese and give assistance on projects. Through their help I was able 
to find a thing or two out as well as making a few valuable contacts.
 
I found this as a great time to get technical help on the Sherman. I 
brought it last night to the meeting where two things were detemined.
1- The batteries had gone bad. Not suprising seeing that they are 2+ years 
old alredy and were left unattended in my shop for many months without 
chargeing or tending. Oops. Will take them to NAPA in the morning to see if 
they are truely dead.
2- The Pelican brand PS2 controler that is supported by the C6C reciever is 
not supported by the C6C reciever. Appearently Pelican makes 2 different 
wireless devices, a Chamelean controler and a Predetor controler. Chameleon 
will work, but the Predetor will leave you with that heartbreacking 
disappointing feeling that only comes from utter and complete betrayal. 
This whole time it was the PS2 controler that was the issue, not the C6C or 
C12C (sorry for all the nasty thoughts about your hardware, Frank). So I 
got a used MadCatz from GameSpot and all is well.
 
So monday I will test and confirm my useless batteries, get new baterries 
and redo my wireing for a better setup. If all goes well I will then 
contenue to work on the turret and gun.
 
Thank you, Las Vegas Syn Shop. Thank the Lloyd for hackerspaces.
 
 
Aaron F

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Re: [TANKS] What is this???

[Aaron]

Just a question on  the matter of rocket launchers, would the 4 arty 
infantry be able to  wield "bazookas" in addition to it's regular 
guard duties? 
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: Donation to the FTF

[Aaron]

The Ford 3-ton was my idea! No!! :'(
A M2 or M3 half track would be nice, or a BrenGunCarrier.
 
Aaron F
 
 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Desert One- AKA Kurt

[Aaron]

I went and saw him Friday after work. He was only a short distance from 
where I work so I rushed over as soon as I heard. He is in good spirits and 
doing better than the doctors thought he would.  Though his prognosis was 
not good, he is strong, positive and plans to fight every asset at is 
disposal. I have no doubt he will win.
Our prayers and thought go out to Kurt.
 
Aaron F
 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 6:38:42 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote:

> He will be in my thoughts and hope he recovers swiftly.
>
> Derek
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Neil Rochford wrote:
>
>> Heartbreaking news , Over the last few years I feel I have become friends 
>> with these "tankers", people who although I may never meet, I share a bond 
>> in this labour of love that we do.
>> Kurt is one intelligent, humorous and charming man who will pull through 
>> with the aid of some very clever and dedicated doctors.
>>
>> Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Rules of engagement

[Aaron]

I dont fore see any oppoition to the whole Airsoft augmentations, they 
would just be 100% ineffective against other tanks and Arty's troops. Other 
objectives I could see them being of use though such as paper soldiers.
 
Aaron F
 
 

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[TANKS] Re: Hello from NZ

[Aaron]

 

> how many degrees does that suspension unit traverse?
>

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[TANKS] Re: Hello from NZ

[Aaron]

Grant,
I think you have just opened yourself up for many many fabrication requests 
from our people. We have all been coveting access to a CNC/laser cuter for 
some time now.
My suggestion, start with introductory prices. ;)
 
Aaron "Envious" Freeman

On Sunday, July 1, 2012 2:12:58 AM UTC-7, Grant Stonnell wrote:

> Hay Pete, yes just about the entire build has been cut on a CNC waterjet 
> cutter from my own designs, including the suspension, the cool thing is 
> that i can now make as many as i want with teh plans i have drawn.
> Have had a couple of guys interested in flat pack versions, one keen on 
> wood, the other steel like mine :)
>
> On Friday, June 29, 2012 6:30:08 PM UTC+12, Grant Stonnell wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, have just found you and i am part way through a build so i 
>> thought i would put a link up to me project for your comments
>> Havea look at http://spudnik1970.blogspot.co.nz/
>> Any comments or ideas would be greatfully accepted.
>>  
>> Grant
>>
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[TANKS] Re: Rules of engagement

[Aaron]

Also, according to the hobby rules, no vehicle or asset may have more than 
1 operational gun. Reguardless if the orriginal vehicle was multi turreted 
or had more than 1 gun, you still may ony have 1 semi automatic firing 
marker with a maximum of  40 rounds of ammo (for a 70+mm gun).
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: Large caliber paintballs

[Aaron]

Alas, I must admit I am wrong to Pete. He is correct in that Oddball's M4A3 
is a 75mm. Can't belive I saw past the detail. My memory recalled the long 
barrel and I must have just assumed and never checked for sure. It's been 
along time since I saw the movie last.
Sad day.
 
Aaron "will have to change the name of T076 now" Freeman

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[TANKS] Re: Large caliber paintballs

[Aaron]

Check again, those M4A3s of his had the long barels signifying the 76 and 
not the short 75. He did have larger pipes over his regular barrel to fool 
the Germans into thinking that he had a 90mm.
 
Aaron F
 
 

> Nah. Only 75mm . . .
>
> On Thursday, 28 June 2012 17:36:18 UTC+1, Aaron wrote:
>>
>> I belive Donald Sutherland was able to find some paint in 76.2mm
>>  
>> Aaron F
>>
>

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[TANKS] Re: Large caliber paintballs

[Aaron]

I belive Donald Sutherland was able to find some paint in 76.2mm
 
Aaron F

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Brazing Success!

[Aaron]

personaly I perfer using groups.google.com/ to veiw the discusion lists. 
cut out the pesky email middle man and hae full access to all past 
discusions.

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Brazing Success!

[Aaron]

No, we love to hear from ya. Just becareful as to wich email you reply to. 
Always stay in subject for courtecy's sake, it's like changinging the topic 
of someone else's conversation. Well, that's exactly what it is.
Anywho. please keep with the progress updates. we do enjoy them so.
 
Aaron F
 

On Monday, June 25, 2012 5:23:16 PM UTC-7, Norman James wrote:

>  In order to send an email, I have been using the "Reply" button, and then 
> changing the subject line. I was under the impression this eliminated prior 
> information, and essentially started a new email.
> Evidently I'm wrong if things are showing up differently for you.
> Also, sorry if I'm cluttering things up. I'll keep my yap shut until I 
> have something more substantial to add to the general discussion.
>  
> Norman
>  
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> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:30:13 -0700
> From: funkyne...@ntlworld.com
> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [TANKS] Re: Brazing Success!
>
> Mr James ,is it my computer going haywire or are you randomly placing you 
> brazing progress all over every-bodies subjects?  
>
> Please start you own post for the things you want to say or ask. 
> Thank you 
>
> Neil R
>
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Re: [TANKS] A Blast from the Past

[Aaron]

 
Is it a Soviet PTRS 41 14.5mm anti-tank rifle?
 
Aaron F

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Negotiations

[Aaron]

But emabarassing myself is one of the few things I do really well. That and 
playing the air-guitar, awesome!

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[TANKS] Re: Negotiations

[Aaron]

very nice, I wish I could have made it (thanks Kurt!). Loved the reports 
and the vids.
 
 

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[TANKS] Gettysburg action

[Aaron]

When can we expect to see an offical summery of the battles with all the 
photos and videos and score cards? I am interested in this year's plot line.

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Re: [TANKS] Machine guns

[Aaron]

Since only a limited number of paintballs are allowed to be carried at a 
time, and there is talk of the coolness of adding airsoft to a tank, I just 
thought this would be a way to do both. Not saying that BBs are the best or 
cheapest, only way to kill a paper siloette, it just kinda make sense.
 

On Friday, June 15, 2012 11:05:23 AM UTC-7, Neil Rochford wrote:

> why use BBs when paintballs cost about 1.5 pence, (about 1 cent ,unless 
> I`ve got my sums wrong) 
>
> Neil R
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[TANKS] Cliff Claven on tanks

[Aaron]

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Re: [TANKS] Machine guns

[Aaron]

I could see a scenario where the object is to be first team to be able to 
shoot all the opposing teams paper soldiers hidden amongst the buildings. 
Airsoft BBs and paintballs being the only allowed means of neutralizing the 
soldiers. Airsoft would then be a way to conserve ones paintball ammo while 
still completing the task of eliminating the inantry.
 

 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: My first tank build

[Aaron]

Apply Counter Inteligence, aka anti-spyware, in liberal amounts and your 
campeign may resume in your theater of opperation.
 

On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:26:33 AM UTC-7, Buck wrote:

> I never win at computers.
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Buck Cronk  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, I have a problem. After I conquered 5348 files, a little window 
>> popped up notifying me that a virus was opening a counteroffensive. Does 
>> anyone know how to defeat this particular virus? 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Aaron  wrote:
>>
>>> Thats some serious computer rage .
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>>>  If you click on "attack a file" it will attach any file you have in 
>>>>> your computer, pictures or otherwise.  
>>>>> Are you building this tank for paint ball combat, or some other reason 
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome on board 
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil R 
>>>>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: My first tank build

[Aaron]

Thats some serious computer rage .

 
 
 
 
 

> If you click on "attack a file" it will attach any file you have in your 
>> computer, pictures or otherwise. 
>> Are you building this tank for paint ball combat, or some other reason ?
>>
>> Welcome on board 
>>
>> Neil R 
>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Moo

[Aaron]

> According to "Heffer's Heros" they should get a 2/20 rating.
>
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Re: [TANKS] 9 Channel Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver for $54?

[Aaron]

>
> Guys at the hobby store could not figure out the mysterious 5 and 6 
> channel either. Said something about it may being a trim adjust for a heli. 
> Be we could not get it to sent a signal to operate the gun trigger device.

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Re: [TANKS] 9 Channel Transmitter w/ Module & 8ch Receiver for $54?

[Aaron]

My personal experience with HobbyKing is that thier 6 channel radio is only 
in fact a 4 channel with 2 useless functions.
 
Aaron F

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:51:17 AM UTC-7, TyngTech wrote:

> One caveat with Hobby King customer service.  If it gets lost in shipping, 
> it will take a very concerted effort, months of time, and threats of 
> critical forum posting to get a resolution.  I know from personal 
> experience.
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [TANKS] Nerf Wars

[Aaron]

I think you will find better ballistics with the disk type of Nerf ammo.

On Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:38:12 PM UTC-7, neroc wrote:

> Ive been looking into nerf guns and although for adults who are used to 
> paintball nerf does seem pretty tame. Im starting with nerf because some of 
> my students are only 11-12 years old and im not allowed to blind any of 
> them.
> Following Aahz`s advice I have looked into the "Rayven"  its an 18 round 
> semi auto, i plan to fire this gun with a very slow geared down 12v motor 
> gear box (around 8-10 rpm) with a cam on the trigger that fires the gun 
> once every revolution. nerf guns are quite big so that will be a factor on 
> their usage.
> My 1st class is wednesday 16th june , up to now the school have given me a 
> very piddly £100 . so we will be looking to scrounge as much as possible, 
> same old same old really, thats the sprite of the hobby in my eyes , making 
> tanks out of bits of old drills / prams and washing machines. 
>
> Neil "I am mad" R
>
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[TANKS] Re: gettysburg

[Aaron]

Well, I had a wild hair that got me itching. I suddenly had a couple of 
days come up at work that I got off and decided I could use them driving 
across country from Las Vegas to Gettysburg with tank in tow. The only way 
this would work is if I had a co-pilot drive when I needed to sleep 
(nonstop drive). So I called Kurt and told him to get his Brumm in gear and 
head out with me. But alas he refused saying something about dinner, old 
age and this being a stupid idea.
 
So, if I had a way to actualy get there you all would have had a 
semi-functional Sherman that someone could hopefuly help me with , as well 
as another asset operator. But too bad it was mostly a fantasy, fantasy 
that almost came true.
 
Have fun you guys and please take lots of video and pictures. And dont 
forget the score cards.
 
Aaron "Blame Kurt" Freeman

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

Just an idea. For a list of approved prototype vehicles one might just go 
with the roster of tanks at the Patton, Bovington, Kubinka, ect... Museums. 
That would make it easy. If it aint in one of those places then the answer 
is "NO".
 
Aaron (still spouting out ideas) Freeman

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

Mr. Tyng,
I would be very intersested in participating with a commitee or group in 
establishing an alternate rule set.
I too have ideas that are most likely very similar to your own. I belive we 
might find a more competitive and logical solution to issues that some 
might have with existing rule sets.
 
Aaron F
 
PS- I still have not forgotten that T076 has yet to be fully completed. 
Just need expertise to stand beside me to get it working. I am a hopeless 
"hands on" type.

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

The problem with using World Of Tanks as a standard for tank stats is that 
they often put objects on their tanks that dont belong. Such as the 
Panther's turret on a Pz4 with it's long 75mm. other things are wrong such 
as the Hellcats top speed of 72kph (100kph actual). Other discrepincies 
exist of course but you should get my point. Many of these "prototypes" are 
on paper only and were far from being practical. 
This is why I still maintain that only actual built prototypes should be 
concidered. I would also recomend each perposed "prototype" tank be 
evaluated and aproved by a single sorce or comittee (The Elders) for the go 
ahead for that particular model to be built. I do not beleive the T28(World 
of Tanks version) should ever be allowed, but the T95(World of Tanks 
version) should.
I know, i know. broken record... beating a dead horse... I just want it to 
be discussed and given full conciderment and then decided. I wouldn't try 
to challenge the ruling no matter the outcome .. for a couple 
years anyway.
 
Aaron F 

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[TANKS] Re: tank lift?

[Aaron]

>
> For less $$$ I would rather build a custom lift more situated for my tank. 
> I can feel good about it because I saved $$$ and I built it myself. But 
> that me :)

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[TANKS] Re: Morris Gun Tractor

[Aaron]

I love it! Great job. Nice to see some physical progress and numbers being 
added to the vehicle ranks.
 
Aaron F
 

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:38:58 PM UTC-7, Pete Arundel wrote:

> A little video to prove that it does move - and that it's ready for 
> designation even if it does still need a roof.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wg0BDhYXrk&feature=youtu.be 
>

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[TANKS] Re: New Ideas

[Aaron]

I think Doug Conn in the one to talk to about high tech sights and such.
 

On Monday, May 14, 2012 7:46:09 PM UTC-7, Buck wrote:

> Hey guys, tell me your opinions: what would you think of such things as 
> laser sights? If a tank were fitted, would you approve? 
>
> What of night battles? Night-capable tanks are already out there (working 
> lights!!!). I haven't heard of any, but it would be a potentially very cool 
> setup.
>

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[TANKS] Re: Cool Little Stepper Motor Driver

[Aaron]

Pordon my ignorance, but what is a stepper motor and what would it be used 
for?
I dont know much about these things
 
Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: 3D printer

[Aaron]

Can I get one that prints in color?

A

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

my mistake on the tiger p. i forgot or happened to skip over mention
of completed models in past research.

On Apr 22, 10:05 am, Francisco Garcia Melero  wrote:
> Hello friends, the VK 3001P or Tiger P was completed and went into combat, 
> true
> that the production was canceled after finishing some 100 barges,
> which then formed
> the basis of elefant and ferdinand. Here I attached some pictures to prove
> it.
>
> Greetings Francisco Melero
>
> 2012/4/20 Derek Engelhaupt 
>
>
>
> > I really was just giving you guys crap Frank.  Nothing meant by it.  I
> > have yet to attend a battle mainly due to the distance, but I would sure
> > like to so I don't have much say either way.  I did end up buying some new
> > springs to work on the KV-2 and get her fully functional.
>
> > Derek
>
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Frank Pittelli 
> > wrote:
>
> >> Every rule change made so far has received a majority vote from a group
> >> of no less than 7 veteran battlers.  Typically, the discussion involves
> >> fundamental issues like:
>
> >> a) Does it fix something that is actually broken?
> >> b) Does it make the game more fun?
> >> c) Is it necessary?
> >> d) Can we afford it?
> >> e) Is it tightly worded?
> >> f) Does it negatively impact anyone?
>
> >> Granted, such concepts are foreign to most real-world politicians these
> >> days, but in the R/C Tank world we're still idealists.
>
> >>        Frank P.
>
> >> On 4/20/2012 5:09 PM, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
>
> >>> Whoops, I just implied that the powers that be
> >>> are democratic in nature...please excuse the indiscretion...  :)
>
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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

Thank you, well said. A clarification of "produced" vehicles would be
nice. Even if remained up to Frank to have the final say on all
"prototypes" whether or not they will be allowed.

For example:
T28 - "Yes. Due to the fact that multiple vehicle were produced and
that they were fully operational and completed field trials, RC Tank
Combat will allow the T28 into it's ranks."
-or-
Tiger(P) - "No. The Tiger I model built by Porche never saw
completion. Even though nearly 100 Tiger(P) chasiss were produced, a
finished vehicle was never assembled or tested."

I am happy to hear that it is up for discusion. Leat me know on it's
final decision.


Aaron "Can think of anything clever this time" Freeman
SCAB / SWAT

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

So, is there any comment on the matter from the maker of the rules?

Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: The Tyng Track System

[Aaron]

T076 employs the Tyng  Track System  and has great success with a
single square cut and being overlapped by only a single cleat. My
cleats are GOOP glued and botled together in 3 places, but show not
the slightest sighn of seperation. The tracks have also been quite
abused in thier testing and have had ever oppertunity to fail but have
yet to break.
TTSs have been joined in many ways, but they hold better than what you
might think with the simplest straight cut and sigle cleat overlap.

Aaron F

On Apr 18, 5:35 am, Mike Mangus  wrote:
>  Steve is glued and nailed together?  Hope the joints are tight. heh.
>
>  A little update from the "Deep South" crew;  The Strv 103 has a new set of 
> LiFE cells on the way.  The new cells have a larger capacity than the cells 
> used for testing.  We fully expect the Ferrarri Tank to last an entire battle 
> now.  Additionally, the  Project was dusted off last night after 
> languishing half completed due to the shop laborors spending too much time 
> recently building boats.  Although the building schedule is still tight, we 
> expect to have the  Project completed and battle ready in time for 
> the June "discussions".
>
>  Mike "One Mississippi, Two Mississippi" Mangus
>
> 
> From: Buck Cronk 
> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [TANKS] The Tyng Track System
>
> cover the scarf joints (angled cuts) with several cleats glued and nailed 
> together just like Steve.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Chemg  wrote:
>
> What exactly is the best way to splice the belt ends together when using 
> the The Tyng Track System (TTS)?
>
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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

Once again, I never said anything about concepts, or things drawn on
paper! I am speaking of those tanks actualy built. Tanks actualy
tested. Tanks actualy that worked and fully functioned. Tanks that
still exist in museums today. They ARE real tanks, just never put into
service.

I could care less about stupid KV-VIs and Rattes. M7s, T20s, T28s, and
T29s can be physicaly seen, touched and climbed inside. With a
restoration, they would drive over car and blow up your house. Tell me
how they arent real tanks and how how they should not be concidered.
After all, Wasn't the KV-2 and Ferdinand complete falures? Why not ban
them for being prototypes?But just cause they were rushed to service
instead of actualy being field tested, they get to be included.
Benifit of having the war in thier back yard, I know, but I hope I
made my point.

This is the basis of my arguement, The T28 was Built, it was Tested,
it Worked, and still Exists. So stop trying to counter it with
bullshit talk of fictional tanks, helicopters and submarines. If you
have a problem with what I speak for, then discuss IT and not
Hollywood RVs driven by Bill Murry.

Aaron "has valid arguement" Freeman

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

But seriously, I have been dreaming of my next build after I finnish
sorting out T076 and I am always looking more at the "forbiden tanks "
than not.

Aaron F

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

You may see me as "cobra9431" of "TDC2".

Aaron F
WoT - M46 Patton, M26 Pershing, M4A3E8 Sherman, M4 Sherman, T32 Heavy,
M12 SPG, M22 Locust, T25-AT, M8A1, KV(2), KV-3, T-50, A-20, MkVII
Tetrarch, DRB-GB1, AMX-12t, Lowe

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[TANKS] Re: I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

Yes indeed I do spend too much time on WoT. But that's not the point.
I am saying that there were fully funtional tanks built but never put
into service. I dont think that small detail should disqualify it from
full participation in the hobby. The T20 was a very good tank that was
better in most every way than the Sherman, just not as build/transport
friendly as the M4 and thus was dropped. Such vehicles in mine eyes
need given full oppertunity to enter the battle field.

Aaron "Love the US Super-Heavy" Freeman
SCAB / SWAT

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[TANKS] I say we do allow....

[Aaron]

I say we do allow certain prototype vehicles to be designated in this
hobby. There are many examples of test vehicles that proved successful
but never produced for one reson or another. A couple examples I am
thinking of are the US T28 super heavy and the T20 medium. Both have
actually been built and tested but passed over due the lack of need
for them. Either one would be a beutiful peice to build and admire and
have full sets of specifications needed for a proper modeling.
I understand that the prototypes that never made it out of the shop or
even of paper are many and numberous, but they are not the examples I
speak of. Even the Maus was never fully completed and thus would not
be eligble for what I perpose, but others such as the T1 heavy and T29
heavy should.
The reason I perpose this is that it would add many many interesting
and appealing options to the hobby.

Aaron "Really wants a T28" Freeman
SCAB / SWAT

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