[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-11 Thread Mike Måne
Ah I see. I have some modelling clay that doesn't dry (for making figures).
I suppose if the clay were to dry, it may crack and cause the filler to set
and make weird attachments.





On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Chris. b barthelso...@hotmail.com wrote:


 its not the type of clay that dries, it's a plastacine i think, it
 never dries and is always very workable.

 http://www.amcsupplies.com.au/catalogue/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=4_644_646

 Chris. b

 On Jan 11, 2:52 pm, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sounds like a good idea. I suppose you could use PlayDoh if you didn't
 have
  time to let potter's clay dry.
 
 
 
 
 
   On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Chris. b barthelso...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
   just for molds, once the fibreglass sets you simply peel the clay out.
 
   Chris. b
 
   On Jan 11, 9:54 am, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you mean by using clay? Did you use the clay for molds or
actually part of the tank?
 
On 1/10/09, Chris. b barthelso...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Another method I have been using lately. Build up most of the shape
 with any thing (I used 1/8 styrene cos that what I had) then model
 the
 final shape over the top of that in clay. The clay can be shaped
 very
 easily by hand, and is perfect for a single use mold because it can
 be
 reused over and over, this is the method I used for most of my KV-1
 parts.
 
 Chris. b
 
 On Jan 11, 4:48 am, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:
 In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:54:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 
 todjo...@comcast.net writes:
 
 gasoline will also melt the styrofoam out without  damaging the
   fiberglass
 or
 stinking up the house.
 
 Tod J.
 
 - Original
 
 just do it outside, acitone (?) works better but you should do
  that
 outside
 with a mask
 
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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-10 Thread Frank Pittelli

Doug Conn wrote:
 Oh ! I see now. Ron, is this what you were describing, too ? Sorry, I 
 misunderstood. I guess it would be like this, then, where I sand away 
 the blue areas

Yes, grasshopper - the pebble is getting closer.

 What material is a good choice ? I don’t think foam would work for 
 vacuforming. Even I use fiberglass, I’d like a mold that survives more 
 than one use.

By far, the best choice is  wait for it  you'd never guess it on 
your own  but the winner  and all around best choice is:

Cedar Fence Boards

Cedar is relatively cheap, cuts and sand easily, the dust does not fly 
in the air (it actually freshens the air in the workshop) and accepts 
any filler and sealer you want to use.  Cedar is very light when 
compared to other common woods and it forms a very smooth surface when 
sanded, even across the grain.  Unlike balsa (which is also much more 
expensive), the sawdust drops to the floor instead of floating in the 
air.  In fact, if you sweep up the sawdust and put it in a plastic 
container, you can mix it into any resin as a thickening agent to make a 
nice sandable putty (it's called wood flour when used like that).  So, 
after shaping the plug, you mix some epoxy or polyester resin, throw in 
enough cedar dust to make a mayonnaise consistency and then smear that 
over the surface.  When dried, you can sand that just like wood filler 
and finish the surface as smooth as you want.

I've personally made two large scale sailboats using cedar:

http://www.pittelli.com/schooner/photos/ships/Frank/Wasa/

http://www.pittelli.com/schooner/photos/ships/Frank/Junk/

and I've found it to be the best softwood to work with for 
non-structural components.  (Popular is my favorite choice when a 
hardwood is needed for strength or durability.)

Styrofoam is a workshop nightmare, especially in the winter when static 
electricity will cause it to stick to everything.  Unless you have the 
right tools, it is harder to work with than wood and less forgiving. You 
cannot make a sharp angle or detail in styrofoam like you can in wood. 
Worst, when you push on it, it compresses and then rebounds, making it 
very difficult to get a smooth contour.  We (not just me) tried using it 
for numerous large scale boat molds in the early warship days, learning 
with each bad project that wood was the proper plug-making material.

Frank P.

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-10 Thread Tod Jones
gasoline will also melt the styrofoam out without damaging the fiberglass or 
stinking up the house.

Tod J.
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  Doug,

  I used Styrofoam covered in aluminum foil for the BT-7 turret.  I still have 
the form.  It was constructed from layers of Styrofoam.  Hard templates were 
used for guiding a bread knife to cut the conical shape. I used a positive mold 
method.  The form was made a bit smaller than the finished product and served 
only to provide a general shape.  Layers of fiberglass cloth and mat were then 
applied to the outside surface.  Any imperfections can be sanded and refilled.  
This is the cheapest method that I could think of for an irregularly shaped 
turret.  A lost foam method might work well for a post WWII American tank 
like the M-26 Pershing with an irregular, rounded shape and prominent overhang. 
 In this method you would build your fiberglass shell over your foam core, then 
melt it out in an oven.  Of course this would be a one off mold, but how many 
turrets of the same type would you want?

  Paul H.
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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-10 Thread OdysseySlipways
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2009 9:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
barthelso...@hotmail.com writes:

Make  your master exactly how you want your turret to look, then give
it a couple  of coats of fibreglass. Pull the master out and discard
it. Once the master  is out you have a perfect negative replica of your
turret, coat the inside  of the fibreglass shell with a mold release,
then layup more fibreglass  inside it, then demold. With this method
you can make as many turrets as  you want using the 1 fibreglass mold.

Chris. b


ya, but if you make slight goof with the release you could stand to  loose 
the mold
 
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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-10 Thread Chris. b

Another method I have been using lately. Build up most of the shape
with any thing (I used 1/8 styrene cos that what I had) then model the
final shape over the top of that in clay. The clay can be shaped very
easily by hand, and is perfect for a single use mold because it can be
reused over and over, this is the method I used for most of my KV-1
parts.

Chris. b

On Jan 11, 4:48 am, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:
 In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:54:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  

 todjo...@comcast.net writes:

 gasoline will also melt the styrofoam out without  damaging the fiberglass or
 stinking up the house.

 Tod J.

 - Original

 just do it outside, acitone (?) works better but you should do  that outside
 with a mask

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-10 Thread Chris. b

just for molds, once the fibreglass sets you simply peel the clay out.

Chris. b

On Jan 11, 9:54 am, Mike Måne mike082...@gmail.com wrote:
 What do you mean by using clay? Did you use the clay for molds or
 actually part of the tank?

 On 1/10/09, Chris. b barthelso...@hotmail.com wrote:







  Another method I have been using lately. Build up most of the shape
  with any thing (I used 1/8 styrene cos that what I had) then model the
  final shape over the top of that in clay. The clay can be shaped very
  easily by hand, and is perfect for a single use mold because it can be
  reused over and over, this is the method I used for most of my KV-1
  parts.

  Chris. b

  On Jan 11, 4:48 am, odysseyslipw...@aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:54:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

  todjo...@comcast.net writes:

  gasoline will also melt the styrofoam out without  damaging the fiberglass
  or
  stinking up the house.

  Tod J.

  - Original

  just do it outside, acitone (?) works better but you should do  that
  outside
  with a mask

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread AES
What is the height and diameter of the dome your making? It looks similar to what we use for R2D2 droids. The R2D2 domes are available as vacume formed Styrene. Also in Aluminum.

Andy



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Hello –

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned my plan to build a turret mold. I haven’t decided yet if I’ll use fiberglass or vacuform. I thought I’d build the mold and then drill vent holes (and hollow it out a little) if I decided to use vacuforming. 

I want to use layers of ½” or 3/8” MDF to build the basic turret shape and then fill the stair-step gaps with filler and sand until I have the right curves. The diagram below shows what I’m thinking in cross-section. The yellow shows MDF and the blue is filler material.


At first, I was going to use Bondo as the filler material but now I’m thinking that is overkill. I may be able to get away with something easier to work with like spackle or water putty (http://www.waterputty.com/ ). What do you think ? Any thoughts about what kind of filler would be appropriate ? I know I’ll need to polish like crazy if I make this a fiberglass mold.

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Doug Conn
My example picture just shows a dome. The actual turret is kind of a
squashed teardrop shape. It’s about 15” on the major axis, 13” on the minor
axis, and about 5” tall.

 

- Doug

 

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On Behalf Of AES
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To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question

 

What is the height and diameter of the dome your making?  It looks similar
to what we use for R2D2 droids.  The R2D2 domes are available as vacume
formed Styrene.  Also in Aluminum.

 

Andy

 

  _  

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To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:50:22 PM
Subject: [TANKS] turret molding question

Hello –

 

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned my plan to build a turret mold. I haven’t
decided yet if I’ll use fiberglass or vacuform. I thought I’d build the mold
and then drill vent holes (and hollow it out a little) if I decided to use
vacuforming. 

 

I want to use layers of ½” or 3/8” MDF to build the basic turret shape and
then fill the stair-step gaps with filler and sand until I have the right
curves. The diagram below shows what I’m thinking in cross-section. The
yellow shows MDF and the blue is filler material.

 



At first, I was going to use Bondo as the filler material but now I’m
thinking that is overkill. I may be able to get away with something easier
to work with like spackle or water putty (http://www.waterputty.com/ ). What
do you think ? Any thoughts about what kind of filler would be appropriate ?
I know I’ll need to polish like crazy if I make this a fiberglass mold.

 

   Thanks a lot,

   Doug




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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Ron

That's the beauty of the lift method. Each slice defines the widest 
point of that slice. When you do the final shaping, you carve down to 
the next slice, first with a plane or chisel, then with a soft pad 
sander to fair things up. You would have to use something more workable 
than MDO though.

Ron

Doug Conn wrote:
 The turret is an odd, irregular shape. I don't think I have the skills or
 'artists eye' to get it even close to right.

 I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the
 tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the
 right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

   - Doug


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 On Behalf Of Ron
 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:15 AM
 To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question


 While I have never built a tank or a mold, I have built a number of 
 boats both scale and up to 20 feet full size. Rather than filling and 
 sanding, how about making the mold oversize and then 
 sawing/planing/surforming/sanding to size. It should be less work and 
 less expensive.

 Ron

 Doug Conn wrote:
   
 Hello –

 A couple of weeks ago I mentioned my plan to build a turret mold. I 
 haven’t decided yet if I’ll use fiberglass or vacuform. I thought I’d 
 build the mold and then drill vent holes (and hollow it out a little) 
 if I decided to use vacuforming.

 I want to use layers of ½” or 3/8” MDF to build the basic turret shape 
 and then fill the stair-step gaps with filler and sand until I have 
 the right curves. The diagram below shows what I’m thinking in 
 cross-section. The yellow shows MDF and the blue is filler material.

 At first, I was going to use Bondo as the filler material but now I’m 
 thinking that is overkill. I may be able to get away with something 
 easier to work with like spackle or water putty 
 (http://www.waterputty.com/ ). What do you think ? Any thoughts about 
 what kind of filler would be appropriate ? I know I’ll need to polish 
 like crazy if I make this a fiberglass mold.

 Thanks a lot,

 Doug


 



 

   

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Chris. b

I'm looking at building a very similar turret for my T55, I'm going to
be using foam and plaster filler. Easy to shape, cheap to buy. Maybe
cut your layers in foam, then simply fill in the rest with filler

I'm going to be fibreglassing mine simply because I have more
experience with it then I do with vacuforming.

 Chris. b

On Jan 10, 7:18 am, Ron sailma...@comcast.net wrote:
 That's the beauty of the lift method. Each slice defines the widest
 point of that slice. When you do the final shaping, you carve down to
 the next slice, first with a plane or chisel, then with a soft pad
 sander to fair things up. You would have to use something more workable
 than MDO though.

 Ron



 Doug Conn wrote:
  The turret is an odd, irregular shape. I don't think I have the skills or
  'artists eye' to get it even close to right.

  I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the
  tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the
  right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

     - Doug

  -Original Message-
  From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Ron
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:15 AM
  To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question

  While I have never built a tank or a mold, I have built a number of
  boats both scale and up to 20 feet full size. Rather than filling and
  sanding, how about making the mold oversize and then
  sawing/planing/surforming/sanding to size. It should be less work and
  less expensive.

  Ron

  Doug Conn wrote:

  Hello –

  A couple of weeks ago I mentioned my plan to build a turret mold. I
  haven’t decided yet if I’ll use fiberglass or vacuform. I thought I’d
  build the mold and then drill vent holes (and hollow it out a little)
  if I decided to use vacuforming.

  I want to use layers of ½” or 3/8” MDF to build the basic turret shape
  and then fill the stair-step gaps with filler and sand until I have
  the right curves. The diagram below shows what I’m thinking in
  cross-section. The yellow shows MDF and the blue is filler material.

  At first, I was going to use Bondo as the filler material but now I’m
  thinking that is overkill. I may be able to get away with something
  easier to work with like spackle or water putty
  (http://www.waterputty.com/). What do you think ? Any thoughts about
  what kind of filler would be appropriate ? I know I’ll need to polish
  like crazy if I make this a fiberglass mold.

  Thanks a lot,

  Doug- Hide quoted text -

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Frank Pittelli

Doug Conn wrote:
 I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the
 tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the
 right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

You can use the bread and butter approach:

1) Create each horizontal slab using the maximum dimension for each 
slab.  In other words, each slab will extend outside the desired surface.

2) Create a paper template for each slab using the minimum dimension 
for each slab.  The paper will represent the desired surface.

3) Sandwich the paper between the slabs and glue everything together.

4) Sand away the exposed edges of all slabs until you hit paper, making 
a smooth transition from one slab to the next.

No artistic skill needed, just a long rasp or file used with long 
strokes and patience.

Frank P.

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Ron

Frank,

That is what I was attempting to say. You did it so much better!

Ron

Frank Pittelli wrote:
 Doug Conn wrote:
   
 I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the
 tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the
 right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.
 

 You can use the bread and butter approach:

 1) Create each horizontal slab using the maximum dimension for each 
 slab.  In other words, each slab will extend outside the desired surface.

 2) Create a paper template for each slab using the minimum dimension 
 for each slab.  The paper will represent the desired surface.

 3) Sandwich the paper between the slabs and glue everything together.

 4) Sand away the exposed edges of all slabs until you hit paper, making 
 a smooth transition from one slab to the next.

 No artistic skill needed, just a long rasp or file used with long 
 strokes and patience.

   Frank P.

 

   

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Doug Conn
Oh ! I see now. Ron, is this what you were describing, too ? Sorry, I
misunderstood. I guess it would be like this, then, where I sand away the
blue areas

 

 



 

What material is a good choice ? I don't think foam would work for
vacuforming. Even I use fiberglass, I'd like a mold that survives more than
one use.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

-   Doug

 

 

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On Behalf Of Frank Pittelli
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:22 PM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question

 

 

Doug Conn wrote:

 I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the

 tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the

 right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

 

You can use the bread and butter approach:

 

1) Create each horizontal slab using the maximum dimension for each 

slab.  In other words, each slab will extend outside the desired surface.

 

2) Create a paper template for each slab using the minimum dimension 

for each slab.  The paper will represent the desired surface.

 

3) Sandwich the paper between the slabs and glue everything together.

 

4) Sand away the exposed edges of all slabs until you hit paper, making 

a smooth transition from one slab to the next.

 

No artistic skill needed, just a long rasp or file used with long 

strokes and patience.

 

  Frank P.

 



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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Chris. b

Make your master exactly how you want your turret to look, then give
it a couple of coats of fibreglass. Pull the master out and discard
it. Once the master is out you have a perfect negative replica of your
turret, coat the inside of the fibreglass shell with a mold release,
then layup more fibreglass inside it, then demold. With this method
you can make as many turrets as you want using the 1 fibreglass mold.

Chris. b

On Jan 10, 9:36 am, Doug Conn dwconn...@comcast.net wrote:
 Oh ! I see now. Ron, is this what you were describing, too ? Sorry, I
 misunderstood. I guess it would be like this, then, where I sand away the
 blue areas

  image003.jpg
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 What material is a good choice ? I don't think foam would work for
 vacuforming. Even I use fiberglass, I'd like a mold that survives more than
 one use.

 Thanks for the help.

 -   Doug



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 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:22 PM
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 Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question

 Doug Conn wrote:

  I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the

  tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the

  right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

 You can use the bread and butter approach:

 1) Create each horizontal slab using the maximum dimension for each

 slab.  In other words, each slab will extend outside the desired surface.

 2) Create a paper template for each slab using the minimum dimension

 for each slab.  The paper will represent the desired surface.

 3) Sandwich the paper between the slabs and glue everything together.

 4) Sand away the exposed edges of all slabs until you hit paper, making

 a smooth transition from one slab to the next.

 No artistic skill needed, just a long rasp or file used with long

 strokes and patience.

       Frank P.- Hide quoted text -

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[TANKS] Re: turret molding question

2009-01-09 Thread Paul Hilton
Doug,

I used Styrofoam covered in aluminum foil for the BT-7 turret.  I still have 
the form.  It was constructed from layers of Styrofoam.  Hard templates were 
used for guiding a bread knife to cut the conical shape. I used a positive mold 
method.  The form was made a bit smaller than the finished product and served 
only to provide a general shape.  Layers of fiberglass cloth and mat were then 
applied to the outside surface.  Any imperfections can be sanded and refilled.  
This is the cheapest method that I could think of for an irregularly shaped 
turret.  A lost foam method might work well for a post WWII American tank 
like the M-26 Pershing with an irregular, rounded shape and prominent overhang. 
 In this method you would build your fiberglass shell over your foam core, then 
melt it out in an oven.  Of course this would be a one off mold, but how many 
turrets of the same type would you want?

Paul H.
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  From: Doug Conn 
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  Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question


  Oh ! I see now. Ron, is this what you were describing, too ? Sorry, I 
misunderstood. I guess it would be like this, then, where I sand away the blue 
areas

   

   



   

  What material is a good choice ? I don't think foam would work for 
vacuforming. Even I use fiberglass, I'd like a mold that survives more than one 
use.

   

  Thanks for the help.

   

  -   Doug

   

   

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  From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Frank Pittelli
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:22 PM
  To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [TANKS] Re: turret molding question

   

   

  Doug Conn wrote:

   I created patterns for the MDF layers by taking horizontal slices of the

   tank turret from a 3d model. I was hoping that by having those slices the

   right shape, there would be a lot less I'd need to eyeball when sanding.

   

  You can use the bread and butter approach:

   

  1) Create each horizontal slab using the maximum dimension for each 

  slab.  In other words, each slab will extend outside the desired surface.

   

  2) Create a paper template for each slab using the minimum dimension 

  for each slab.  The paper will represent the desired surface.

   

  3) Sandwich the paper between the slabs and glue everything together.

   

  4) Sand away the exposed edges of all slabs until you hit paper, making 

  a smooth transition from one slab to the next.

   

  No artistic skill needed, just a long rasp or file used with long 

  strokes and patience.

   

Frank P.

   



  

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