Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Hey, have any of you built your own computer before? Just an idea in my head, but if you have I am currently putting together a parts list to go from someday. And buying computer parts right is probably the hardest part. I've been building PC's since the 80's. My first PC was a Sinclair Z80 system soldered together from a kit. Nowadays, it's just plugging components together. The question is what do you want the computer to do? A basic PC to web browse and run MS Office is fairly cheap to assemble. If your talking gaming, you can dump thousands into video cards, top-end CPU's, water cooling, fancy cases etc. Another option to building is to buy a decent used system and upgrade. My current workhorse is an 08 vintage dual 3ghz Zeon IBM graphic workstation I picked up off eBay for $150. When new this system was $6K. I replaced the HD's, added 6G's of used RAM and moved my XP installation onto it. Steve -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
The JS-III has beefy return rollers, should make tab construction easier for it's tracks. I'm looking forward to the challenge of building the proven TTS-2 for the JS-III. I just took a better look at the JS3. Those return idlers would make decent road wheels on any lesser tank! ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
I heartily concur:) It is an invigorating prospect! Now to hit up the multiple local lumber yards (suppliers) and multiple cabinet shops (consumers) for some high quality build material! Mike B On 9/17/12, TyngTech steve...@gmail.com wrote: The JS-III has beefy return rollers, should make tab construction easier for it's tracks. I'm looking forward to the challenge of building the proven TTS-2 for the JS-III. I just took a better look at the JS3. Those return idlers would make decent road wheels on any lesser tank! ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
until constrained by the drive sprocket, front/rear idler, or road wheels). -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Thanks guys. Return idlers was the word I was looking for. I think I'll stick to the tank. But since I live way out where I do, don't expect me coming around for any battles. Besides, I'm not sure my very first tank is going to turn out too well--if I get to battle with any of you I want it to be with a second tank already. :) I saw the (what's his name?) two latest tanks made by the same guy that were really cool. That's what I want to build like. Hey, have any of you built your own computer before? Just an idea in my head, but if you have I am currently putting together a parts list to go from someday. And buying computer parts right is probably the hardest part. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mike Lyons mxly...@cox.net wrote: until constrained by the drive sprocket, front/rear idler, or road wheels). -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Hey Buck, Re: building your own computer. I had a computer that was built by a co-worker a while back, late 90's. It ran very well for many many years with barely any problems (nothing major, one or two tiny little problems). Actually, finding the components wasn't that difficult, but we did purchase everything at a computer expo held at a local college. But I would imagine with the Internet, purchases should be fairly easy. The trick is knowing WHAT to buy... but the net should have a wealth of info on that too. I have a nephew who does new systems, he's a bright, 19yo kid, but I suspect that if he can build one, almost anyone can... Good luck with it!! Dave D. - Original Message - From: Buck Cronk To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 Thanks guys. Return idlers was the word I was looking for. I think I'll stick to the tank. But since I live way out where I do, don't expect me coming around for any battles. Besides, I'm not sure my very first tank is going to turn out too well--if I get to battle with any of you I want it to be with a second tank already. :) I saw the (what's his name?) two latest tanks made by the same guy that were really cool. That's what I want to build like. Hey, have any of you built your own computer before? Just an idea in my head, but if you have I am currently putting together a parts list to go from someday. And buying computer parts right is probably the hardest part. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mike Lyons mxly...@cox.net wrote: until constrained by the drive sprocket, front/rear idler, or road wheels). -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5269 - Release Date: 09/15/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Very easy to build a reliable computer. They have a lot less parts than even the most basic lego set and snap together just as easy. I built a full size tower and the only thing that gave (gives) me trouble is the d-link wireless card. Almost every pc magazine publishes either online or paper version of a gamer pc under $1000 build. Start there and don't skimp on the power supply. If you have a CompUSA near you, just walk in and tell them your budget. Their prices are comparable to NewEgg and if something is wrong, you don't have to ship it back. Tom On Sep 15, 2012, at 05:10 PM, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Buck, Re: building your own computer. I had a computer that was built by a co-worker a while back, late 90's. It ran very well for many many years with barely any problems (nothing major, one or two tiny little problems). Actually, finding the components wasn't that difficult, but we did purchase everything at a computer expo held at a local college. But I would imagine with the Internet, purchases should be fairly easy. The trick is knowing WHAT to buy... but the net should have a wealth of info on that too. I have a nephew who does new systems, he's a bright, 19yo kid, but I suspect that if he can build one, almost anyone can... Good luck with it!! Dave D. - Original Message - From: Buck Cronk To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 Thanks guys. Return idlers was the word I was looking for. I think I'll stick to the tank. But since I live way out where I do, don't expect me coming around for any battles. Besides, I'm not sure my very first tank is going to turn out too well--if I get to battle with any of you I want it to be with a second tank already. :) I saw the (what's his name?) two latest tanks made by the same guy that were really cool. That's what I want to build like. Hey, have any of you built your own computer before? Just an idea in my head, but if you have I am currently putting together a parts list to go from someday. And buying computer parts right is probably the hardest part. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mike Lyons mxly...@cox.net wrote: until constrained by the drive sprocket, front/rear idler, or road wheels). -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5269 - Release Date: 09/15/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Newegg is where I've been looking for most of my parts... and I am doing some research online about building your own computer. This is off-topic, but I need a place to start and if any of you can tell me whether the parts list I'm making will work, then I need that. I guess I need to get on one of those computer build forums, but I don't know if I'll ever find a forum as nice as this one. :) On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Lum t...@me.com wrote: Very easy to build a reliable computer. They have a lot less parts than even the most basic lego set and snap together just as easy. I built a full size tower and the only thing that gave (gives) me trouble is the d-link wireless card. Almost every pc magazine publishes either online or paper version of a gamer pc under $1000 build. Start there and don't skimp on the power supply. If you have a CompUSA near you, just walk in and tell them your budget. Their prices are comparable to NewEgg and if something is wrong, you don't have to ship it back. Tom On Sep 15, 2012, at 05:10 PM, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Buck, Re: building your own computer. I had a computer that was built by a co-worker a while back, late 90's. It ran very well for many many years with barely any problems (nothing major, one or two tiny little problems). Actually, finding the components wasn't that difficult, but we did purchase everything at a computer expo held at a local college. But I would imagine with the Internet, purchases should be fairly easy. The trick is knowing WHAT to buy... but the net should have a wealth of info on that too. I have a nephew who does new systems, he's a bright, 19yo kid, but I suspect that if he can build one, almost anyone can... Good luck with it!! Dave D. - Original Message - *From:* Buck Cronk buckcr...@gmail.com *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2012 2:04 PM *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 Thanks guys. Return idlers was the word I was looking for. I think I'll stick to the tank. But since I live way out where I do, don't expect me coming around for any battles. Besides, I'm not sure my very first tank is going to turn out too well--if I get to battle with any of you I want it to be with a second tank already. :) I saw the (what's his name?) two latest tanks made by the same guy that were really cool. That's what I want to build like. Hey, have any of you built your own computer before? Just an idea in my head, but if you have I am currently putting together a parts list to go from someday. And buying computer parts right is probably the hardest part. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mike Lyons mxly...@cox.net wrote: until constrained by the drive sprocket, front/rear idler, or road wheels). -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5269 - Release Date: 09/15/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart. This WW1 legacy suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath. The tracks dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. I concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system. For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart. For those wanting a mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a Christie suspension and forget about return rollers. Steve Tyng On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the return rollers are 2.25+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers are 2.75+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no problem. Mike B On 9/14/12, TyngTech steve...@gmail.com wrote: Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart. This WW1 legacy suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath. The tracks dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. I concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system. For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart. For those wanting a mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a Christie suspension and forget about return rollers. Steve Tyng On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
You are mistaken Mr Tyng, my Sherman is of the Easy 8 persuasion with real return rollers and a track with a single center located guide tab per track link. I prefer the Sherman type bogies to other suspension designs because, 1- they look cool, and 2- they take up absolutly no interior space. I simplified my design by forgoing a true fully-suspended system in favor of a rocker/indepndent hybrid set-up. It's not a smooth runing as full suspension models, but much smoother than non-suspended ones, plus I am able to keep my tracks in full contact with the road wheels at all times over any terrain.\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n70zhVIBd_g Aaron F On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:59:22 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote: Which is also why the KV has no problems with this either. I would agree with Steve though that the Christie system is simpler. Derek On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Butts buttsa...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the return rollers are 2.25+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers are 2.75+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no problem. Mike B On 9/14/12, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart. This WW1 legacy suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath. The tracks dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. I concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system. For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart. For those wanting a mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a Christie suspension and forget about return rollers. Steve Tyng On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.comwrote: On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.comjavascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
I think your suspension runs quite well Aaron. Very nice. Derek On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Aaron afreem...@live.com wrote: You are mistaken Mr Tyng, my Sherman is of the Easy 8 persuasion with real return rollers and a track with a single center located guide tab per track link. I prefer the Sherman type bogies to other suspension designs because, 1- they look cool, and 2- they take up absolutly no interior space. I simplified my design by forgoing a true fully-suspended system in favor of a rocker/indepndent hybrid set-up. It's not a smooth runing as full suspension models, but much smoother than non-suspended ones, plus I am able to keep my tracks in full contact with the road wheels at all times over any terrain.\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n70zhVIBd_g Aaron F On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:59:22 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote: Which is also why the KV has no problems with this either. I would agree with Steve though that the Christie system is simpler. Derek On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Butts buttsa...@gmail.comwrote: An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the return rollers are 2.25+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers are 2.75+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no problem. Mike B On 9/14/12, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com wrote: Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart. This WW1 legacy suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath. The tracks dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. I concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system. For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart. For those wanting a mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a Christie suspension and forget about return rollers. Steve Tyng On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.comwrote: On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.**comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@**googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@**googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Indeed, it does run very well. Nice work. Hopefully you'll be able to test it under extended battling conditions over many years to see how it stacks up. Steve On Friday, September 14, 2012 3:35:12 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote: I think your suspension runs quite well Aaron. Very nice. Derek On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Aaron afre...@live.com javascript:wrote: You are mistaken Mr Tyng, my Sherman is of the Easy 8 persuasion with real return rollers and a track with a single center located guide tab per track link. I prefer the Sherman type bogies to other suspension designs because, 1- they look cool, and 2- they take up absolutly no interior space. I simplified my design by forgoing a true fully-suspended system in favor of a rocker/indepndent hybrid set-up. It's not a smooth runing as full suspension models, but much smoother than non-suspended ones, plus I am able to keep my tracks in full contact with the road wheels at all times over any terrain.\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n70zhVIBd_g Aaron F On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:59:22 AM UTC-7, tan...@gmail.com wrote: Which is also why the KV has no problems with this either. I would agree with Steve though that the Christie system is simpler. Derek On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Butts buttsa...@gmail.comwrote: An IS-3 shouldn't have said problems I would think. At 1/7 scale the return rollers are 2.25+ in diameter. At 1/6 scale the return rollers are 2.75+- in diameter. One inch tall tracking tabs should be no problem. Mike B On 9/14/12, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com wrote: Ah yes, the Sherman and it's little brother the Stuart. This WW1 legacy suspension design supports the return rollers from underneath. The tracks dual outside tracking tabs run on the outside of the idler supports. I concede that in this one example, tracking tab height can exceed the half-diameter of the smallest idler in the system. For those wanting a mechanically complex track system with limited suspension travel, build a Sherman or Stuart. For those wanting a mechanically simple and high performance battle proven system, build a Christie suspension and forget about return rollers. Steve Tyng On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:59:59 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.comwrote: On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech stev...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.**comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@**googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@**googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rctankcombathttp://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com javascript: To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
If the return rollers support the entire track then the track guides indeed must pass over the roller axles. If the return rollers only support the inner portion of the track, the track guides pass outside and can be taller (until constrained by the rear idler or road wheels). Example: http://genieminiature.com/pages%20kit%20mili%20142/MS103.jpg On Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:18:00 AM UTC-4, TyngTech wrote: ... I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. ... -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Hey Buck, I hear ya bro!! I'm considering the JS-III, and yes, I originally had ideas of a TD build, the venerable Jagdpanther... I was mentioning those American TDs somewhat tongue in cheek, only because they are turreted. I believe the Americans valued speed over armor protection for their TDs, and by the current hobby rules, they wouldn't get a 4 rating defensively. The Hellcat would actual receive a 2 rating, and the M-10 wouldn't be much farther ahead with a 3 rating, sheeesh!! Although I have to say the M18 Hellcat looks way, way better than the Sherman, sorry Aaron... Probably the sharpest looking WWII vehicle the US ever produced, IMO. The T-34 is an awesome tank, have no fears nor concerns about how many there are, in fact, I believe that Steve Tyng built the only T-34(85) roaming around the Maryland vicinity, and he sold it to someone else so he could introduce his Cromwell to the battle scene. I wonder what Mr. Wacker does with his tank... oops, that's not gonna sound too good--LOL!! Good luck with your build, Comrade!! Dave D. - Original Message - From: Buck Cronk To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. If I make a tank it'll probably be the T34. Thanks, though! On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: Hey Steve, Yes, I agree, you are absolutely correct on the limited traverse on most tank destroyers. Silly me, I shouldn't have made such a gross assumption. I was just figuring that some builders may not go the distance and build the limited traverse into a tank destroyer, ala Joe's Hetzer. I guess Buck will have to decide which route to take... Of course he can jump the Russky ship he's sailing on and build the M10, or a M18 Hellcat or even the M36 and keep the turret. Interesting how the Americans were the only ones to make their TDs with turrets, seeing that the primary reasons the Europeans went sans turret was to save time and money (time in the sense of getting a vehicle up and running on the battlefield). I guess we(US) had the luxury of having plenty of both, thus knocking the traditional design of the TD on it's ass. I guess it's worth mentioning the M7 Priest as a possible exception, even though it is a self propelled gun, albeit turretless... I know the Jagdpanther had I believe 13 degrees on either side. Doesn't sound like much, but the further out the opponent is, the more it can make a difference. Won't matter much when the battling gets up close and personal. Funny though, like you've said in the past, there are some battlers who have never used the traverse on their turreted tank!! Care to go out on a limb and speak the names of such non-traversing offenders? Or at least name the assets. (which Benny Hill affectionately called a little donkey). Dave D. - Original Message - From: TyngTech To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. Not necessarily. Most TD's historically have a limited gun traverse that can be duplicated in a model. A traverse of even a few degrees makes a world of difference on longer range gunnery. Will has a traverse in his SU. Joe does not in his Hetzer. Guess which is the better sniper? ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5263 - Release Date: 09/11/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5265 - Release Date: 09/12/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Here, here Comrade Tyng!! ( with reverance to your first build...) The JS-III has beefy return rollers, should make tab construction easier for it's tracks. I'm looking forward to the challenge of building the proven TTS-2 for the JS-III. Hail, hail Christie, a genius way ahead of his time!! Dave D. - Original Message - From: TyngTech To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5265 - Release Date: 09/12/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Hey Steve, Yes, I agree, you are absolutely correct on the limited traverse on most tank destroyers. Silly me, I shouldn't have made such a gross assumption. I was just figuring that some builders may not go the distance and build the limited traverse into a tank destroyer, ala Joe's Hetzer. I guess Buck will have to decide which route to take... Of course he can jump the Russky ship he's sailing on and build the M10, or a M18 Hellcat or even the M36 and keep the turret. Interesting how the Americans were the only ones to make their TDs with turrets, seeing that the primary reasons the Europeans went sans turret was to save time and money (time in the sense of getting a vehicle up and running on the battlefield). I guess we(US) had the luxury of having plenty of both, thus knocking the traditional design of the TD on it's ass. I guess it's worth mentioning the M7 Priest as a possible exception, even though it is a self propelled gun, albeit turretless... I know the Jagdpanther had I believe 13 degrees on either side. Doesn't sound like much, but the further out the opponent is, the more it can make a difference. Won't matter much when the battling gets up close and personal. Funny though, like you've said in the past, there are some battlers who have never used the traverse on their turreted tank!! Care to go out on a limb and speak the names of such non-traversing offenders? Or at least name the assets. (which Benny Hill affectionately called a little donkey). Dave D. - Original Message - From: TyngTech To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. Not necessarily. Most TD's historically have a limited gun traverse that can be duplicated in a model. A traverse of even a few degrees makes a world of difference on longer range gunnery. Will has a traverse in his SU. Joe does not in his Hetzer. Guess which is the better sniper? ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5263 - Release Date: 09/11/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. If I make a tank it'll probably be the T34. Thanks, though! On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Dave D. degeck...@optonline.net wrote: ** Hey Steve, Yes, I agree, you are absolutely correct on the limited traverse on most tank destroyers. Silly me, I shouldn't have made such a gross assumption. I was just figuring that some builders may not go the distance and build the limited traverse into a tank destroyer, ala Joe's Hetzer. I guess Buck will have to decide which route to take... Of course he can jump the Russky ship he's sailing on and build the M10, or a M18 Hellcat or even the M36 and keep the turret. Interesting how the Americans were the only ones to make their TDs with turrets, seeing that the primary reasons the Europeans went sans turret was to save time and money (time in the sense of getting a vehicle up and running on the battlefield). I guess we(US) had the luxury of having plenty of both, thus knocking the traditional design of the TD on it's ass. I guess it's worth mentioning the M7 Priest as a possible exception, even though it is a self propelled gun, albeit turretless... I know the Jagdpanther had I believe 13 degrees on either side. Doesn't sound like much, but the further out the opponent is, the more it can make a difference. Won't matter much when the battling gets up close and personal. Funny though, like you've said in the past, there are some battlers who have never used the traverse on their turreted tank!! Care to go out on a limb and speak the names of such non-traversing offenders? Or at least name the assets. (which Benny Hill affectionately called a little donkey). Dave D. - Original Message - *From:* TyngTech steve...@gmail.com *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:02 AM *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] My T34/85 However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. Not necessarily. Most TD's historically have a limited gun traverse that can be duplicated in a model. A traverse of even a few degrees makes a world of difference on longer range gunnery. Will has a traverse in his SU. Joe does not in his Hetzer. Guess which is the better sniper? ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5263 - Release Date: 09/11/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
On the subject of idlers I will have to disagree with Steve. If small idlers limit the tracking tab height, move them to the outside of the track ala Stuart or an early Sherman. Problem solved. Any problem can be fixed with enough time or money... :) Derek my KV-2 has idlers and no issues Engelhaupt On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:18 AM, TyngTech steve...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I'll be building any of those suggestions, Dave... it seems at least the M18 is different. A quick Google search turned up a picture of an M18 with little idlers (what are they called?) strung out above the road wheels. I call them return idlers, the bane of the small tank builder. The smallest idler sets your tracks max tracking tab height. Bigger tabs mean better track performance. There's a reason TyngTech vehicles are based off of Christie inspired tanks. Steve Christie is my Deity Tyng -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. Not necessarily. Most TD's historically have a limited gun traverse that can be duplicated in a model. A traverse of even a few degrees makes a world of difference on longer range gunnery. Will has a traverse in his SU. Joe does not in his Hetzer. Guess which is the better sniper? ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
I know about these options and risks, and I did some more thinking (before reading this) and decided I might still go with a turret! One, it has certain advantages; two, my dad is the type that likes to finish what he starts and not go off course like that. :) See you and thx On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:02 AM, TyngTech steve...@gmail.com wrote: However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. Not necessarily. Most TD's historically have a limited gun traverse that can be duplicated in a model. A traverse of even a few degrees makes a world of difference on longer range gunnery. Will has a traverse in his SU. Joe does not in his Hetzer. Guess which is the better sniper? ST -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
Re: [TANKS] My T34/85
Hey Buck, I have yet to build any vehicle myself, other than a toy I basically recently finished for my nephew... But I was considering a tank destroyer as my first build... Firstly, the venerable Jagdpanther, then after some consideration, the SU-152 (although the SU-100 did get some thought..). Yes, you are probably correct in that it will be less complicated to go sans turret. However, should you ever decide to take it to battle, just remember that you aim the gun by aiming the whole vehicle. After much consideration, I am going to make my first build a turreted vehicle, just to avoid this situation. But I'm sure you weighed that consideration already... PS... Give thought to building the SU-152 instead!! It has a lower silhouette than the SU-100, and a shorter gun barrel, which may make for easier mobility going up/down hills and such. I mean, there are subtle build differences, such as an extra set of road wheels on the 152, but said wheels are smaller than those on the Su-100... Plus, I think the 152 is a much cooler looking vehicle than it's cousin, less boxy. and you don't have that funky cupola jutting out of the side of the superstructure, like you do on the 100... BUT, and this is a big but, the SU-152 does show side panels on the superstructure that would count as hit, if attacked frontally. But this only has meaning if you decide to get down to Maryland or surrounding areas, and do battle with it. Dave D. - Original Message - From: Buck Cronk To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: [TANKS] My T34/85 might not end up being a T/34/85. I did some research. Turns out (and I'm sure all of you experts have known this since you were 3) that the SU100 uses the same chassis. I just might decide to turn around and make an SU100 for (hopefully) greater ease of building. Tell me what you think! Oh, and my unnecessary worry about too many T34/85s will then be completely dashed. Even though I probably will never even meet another tank on the battlefield! Not that I live in the middle of nowhere, but you can see it from my back porch. -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5261 - Release Date: 09/10/12 -- You are currently subscribed to the R/C Tank Combat group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
