Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

[frenergy]

If you download the Discover Installation manual, page 6 and 7, they 
state the cables should also be the same length.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net

On 3/29/2019 9:11 AM, Jay wrote:

Hi Howie,

My main reason is zero monitoring.
And that is the reason all cabling is supposed to be the same lengths, 
to try and use each battery equally because they don’t talk to each 
other.



It’s why I like the Discoverer. Many batteries have Bluetooth info, 
but they have that and external gauge and for Schneider, they are 
Xanbus comm ready.


Jay

Peltz Power.

On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Howie Michaelson 
mailto:howie.michael...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Jerry,
I'm looking at all the lithium options out there for an application 
phycisist client who wants a lithium backup system. Can you elaborate 
on why Simplify is slow low on your list?

Thanks,
Howie


On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 12:00 AM Jerry Shafer  wrote:


Wrenches
I agree with Kevin, the Unigyll are a great option, simplify
would not not even be on my top 10.
Jerry

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 8:55 PM Kevin Pegg
mailto:kp...@energyalternatives.ca>> wrote:

Hi,

The East Penn UnigyII 2V AGM batteries would be my
recommendation. Can go up to 2,100 Ah with single string of
12 x 2V cells. More if you parallel of course.

Kevin





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Re: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[Max Balchowsky]

Ck the current “solar access” laws,  I haven’t felt with that in years, but
when we did a lot of residential solar there were laws, at least in
California that prohibited HOA’s from doing that.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:20 AM Kevin Eigel 
wrote:

> We have a customer whose HOA is disapproving his plans to install all
> black panels on the front (south facing) roof of his house. Does anyone
> have any suggestions about getting this project through. In my opinion,
> HOAs should not be able to stop a solar project.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[Bill Hennessy]

Looks like HOAs can block solar in Ohio. Here's a link to Ohio info that may 
help negotiating an easement 
https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/ohio/learn-the-issues-in-ohio/homeowners-associations-and-solar-access-in-ohio/

What folks need is a right to sunshine. Kinda goes with clean air and water. 
regards, bill
Bill Hennessy
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Mertztown, PA 19539

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PA contractor #44411
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On Friday, March 29, 2019, 6:05:03 PM EDT, Kevin Eigel 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Jerry. This project is in Ohio

Kevin Eigel
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 1:34 PM jerrysgarage01  wrote:

WrenchesYes HOA's might be able to restrict pv under state law depending on 
your state, in Hawaii the rule is multi-family joined over 2 stories  they can 
say no, they can also restrict size to. You need to read the AOAO rules, know 
the state law pertaining  to your particular type of structure. They may be 
wrong but you need to be prepared to go to the board meetings and get answers. 
What state are you in?Jerry


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Date: 3/29/19 10:19 AM (GMT-08:00) To: RE-wrenches 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[Kevin Eigel]

Thanks Jerry. This project is in Ohio

Kevin Eigel

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 1:34 PM jerrysgarage01 
wrote:

> Wrenches
> Yes HOA's might be able to restrict pv under state law depending on your
> state, in Hawaii the rule is multi-family joined over 2 stories  they can
> say no, they can also restrict size to. You need to read the AOAO rules,
> know the state law pertaining  to your particular type of structure.
> They may be wrong but you need to be prepared to go to the board meetings
> and get answers. What state are you in?
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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>  Original message 
> From: Kevin Eigel 
> Date: 3/29/19 10:19 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: RE-wrenches 
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.
>
> We have a customer whose HOA is disapproving his plans to install all
> black panels on the front (south facing) roof of his house. Does anyone
> have any suggestions about getting this project through. In my opinion,
> HOAs should not be able to stop a solar project.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Agree with Jay and adding they are too small in capacity. Even the
Discover at 6.6kwh is on the edge. However, as Jay said, they do talk with
each other and have a mode where they will work with Outback and Magnum.
They are the cats meow on a Schneider system as there is not much to
program. Dave Angelini / Offgrid Solar 

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:11:31
-0700, Jay  wrote:Hi Howie,   My main reason is zero monitoring.  And
that is the reason all cabling is supposed to be the same lengths, to try
and use each battery equally because they don't talk to each other. 
It's why I like the Discoverer. Many batteries have Bluetooth info, but
they have that and external gauge and for Schneider, they are Xanbus comm
ready.Jay   Peltz Power.  
On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Howie
Michaelson  wrote:

   Jerry, I'm looking at all the lithium options out
there for an application phycisist client who wants a lithium backup
system. Can you elaborate on why Simplify is slow low on your list? Thanks,
Howie 

  On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 12:00 AM Jerry Shafer 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[jerrysgarage01]

WrenchesYes HOA's might be able to restrict pv under state law depending on 
your state, in Hawaii the rule is multi-family joined over 2 stories  they can 
say no, they can also restrict size to. You need to read the AOAO rules, know 
the state law pertaining  to your particular type of structure. They may be 
wrong but you need to be prepared to go to the board meetings and get answers. 
What state are you in?JerrySent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Kevin Eigel  
Date: 3/29/19  10:19 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: RE-wrenches 
 Subject: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs. 
We have a customer whose HOA is disapproving his plans to install all black 
panels on the front (south facing) roof of his house. Does anyone have any 
suggestions about getting this project through. In my opinion, HOAs should not 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[William Miller]

Check state and local regulations first. Suggest home owner recruit allies of 
other home owners. Then it’s a matter of diplomacy. 

William

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Kevin Eigel  wrote:
> 
> We have a customer whose HOA is disapproving his plans to install all black 
> panels on the front (south facing) roof of his house. Does anyone have any 
> suggestions about getting this project through. In my opinion, HOAs should 
> not be able to stop a solar project.
> 
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[RE-wrenches] Dealing with HOAs.

[Kevin Eigel]

We have a customer whose HOA is disapproving his plans to install all black
panels on the front (south facing) roof of his house. Does anyone have any
suggestions about getting this project through. In my opinion, HOAs should
not be able to stop a solar project.

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

[Jay]

Hi Howie,

My main reason is zero monitoring. 
And that is the reason all cabling is supposed to be the same lengths, to try 
and use each battery equally because they don’t talk to each other. 


It’s why I like the Discoverer. Many batteries have Bluetooth info, but they 
have that and external gauge and for Schneider, they are Xanbus comm ready. 

Jay

Peltz Power. 

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Howie Michaelson  
> wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> I'm looking at all the lithium options out there for an application phycisist 
> client who wants a lithium backup system. Can you elaborate on why Simplify 
> is slow low on your list?
> Thanks,
> Howie
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 12:00 AM Jerry Shafer > Wrenches
>> I agree with Kevin, the Unigyll are a great option, simplify would not not 
>> even be on my top 10.
>> Jerry
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 8:55 PM Kevin Pegg  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The East Penn UnigyII 2V AGM batteries would be my recommendation. Can go 
>>> up to 2,100 Ah with single string of 12 x 2V cells. More if you parallel of 
>>> course.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Chris Schaefer
>>> Sent: March-28-19 1:09 PM
>>> To: RE-wrenches 
>>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> G'Day All,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Came across an older DIY 24v off-grid system. Looking to replace current 
>>> AGM  SunXtender batteries with less then 4 years on them but severely 
>>> abused. Client won't go for my normal Rolls/Surrette because they are very 
>>> sensitive to smells. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thus I was considering LiFePo4 batteries however I'm having difficulties 
>>> locating them in a 24v bank. If you know of anyone that goes that way 
>>> please let me know.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> So if I'm stuck with AGM's stored indoors what brand would you suggest for 
>>> a heavy usage (1,500 Ahrs +) home?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Christopher- 
>>> 
>>> Chris Schaefer’s
>>> 
>>> Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 
>>> 5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424
>>> www.solarandwindfx.com ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

[Andrew]

Hey Howie,

I would recommend staying away from them as well, I had a 
faulty battery out of the box and it was a nightmare to get them to warranty 
it, took about 2 months of back and forth for them to agree to warranty the 
battery. Discover has an excellent YouTube video on the breakdown of the 
internals theirs vs. the competitor and it’s pretty eye opening.

 

 

Andrew Perkins

Greenwired

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Description: signature

 

 

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Howie Michaelson
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:51 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

 

Jerry,

I'm looking at all the lithium options out there for an application phycisist 
client who wants a lithium backup system. Can you elaborate on why Simplify is 
slow low on your list?

Thanks,

Howie

 

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 12:00 AM Jerry Shafer  wrote:

Hi, 

 

The East Penn UnigyII 2V AGM batteries would be my recommendation. Can go up to 
2,100 Ah with single string of 12 x 2V cells. More if you parallel of course. 

 

Kevin

 

From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Schaefer
Sent: March-28-19 1:09 PM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

 

G'Day All,

 

Came across an older DIY 24v off-grid system. Looking to replace current AGM  
SunXtender batteries with less then 4 years on them but severely abused. Client 
won't go for my normal Rolls/Surrette because they are very sensitive to 
smells. 

 

Thus I was considering LiFePo4 batteries however I'm having difficulties 
locating them in a 24v bank. If you know of anyone that goes that way please 
let me know.

 

So if I'm stuck with AGM's stored indoors what brand would you suggest for a 
heavy usage (1,500 Ahrs +) home?

 

Thanks,

Christopher- 

Chris Schaefer’s
  
Tel/Fax 585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 
5115 South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424
www.solarandwindfx.com ~ E-mail: ch...@solarandwindfx.com

   

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries

[Howie Michaelson]

Jerry,
I'm looking at all the lithium options out there for an application
phycisist client who wants a lithium backup system. Can you elaborate on
why Simplify is slow low on your list?
Thanks,
Howie


On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 12:00 AM Jerry Shafer  Wrenches
> I agree with Kevin, the Unigyll are a great option, simplify would not not
> even be on my top 10.
> Jerry
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 8:55 PM Kevin Pegg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> The East Penn UnigyII 2V AGM batteries would be my recommendation. Can go
>> up to 2,100 Ah with single string of 12 x 2V cells. More if you parallel of
>> course.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chris Schaefer
>> *Sent:* March-28-19 1:09 PM
>> *To:* RE-wrenches 
>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Big AGM's and 24V Lithium batteries
>>
>>
>>
>> G'Day All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Came across an older DIY 24v off-grid system. Looking to replace current
>> AGM  SunXtender batteries with less then 4 years on them but severely
>> abused. Client won't go for my normal Rolls/Surrette because they are very
>> sensitive to smells.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus I was considering LiFePo4 batteries however I'm having difficulties
>> locating them in a 24v bank. If you know of anyone that goes that way
>> please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> So if I'm stuck with AGM's stored indoors what brand would you suggest
>> for a heavy usage (1,500 Ahrs +) home?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Christopher-
>>
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