[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Re: Off Grid Washing Machine

[frenergy]

Drake,

            After having 2 Stabers in the last 25 years, we were having 
too many problems with the second one (mechanically was OK but the 
brains were not working correctly and board replacements are pretty 
spendy.  So we ended up with an LG model # WM3500CW as of 3 months ago.  
Made in Vietnam.


            I don't remember all the energy and water specs right now 
but being the nerd, I'm sure they were the best.  I had already bought 2 
of these for my rentals and have had no complaints.  The clothes really 
come out dry. The clothes washing master here says she likes it so 
there's a gold star. Only thing I don't like is its not made in USA.  I 
never asked Staber but maybe there's an extended warranty option.


Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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On 9/18/2019 6:21 AM, Drake wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the 
Staber. I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. 
The price tag on this machine is very high for something that isn't 
mechanically solid.


Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water 
usage, resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on 
the market?


Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
/Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
/http://athens-electric.com/

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flex panels?

[Alex MeVay]

Hi Dana,

For these types of applications, which make up a lot of our business, we
typically point customers to Solbian, who use Sunpower and other cells.  I
believe our more budget-minded customers have also been happy with the
Renogy flex panels.

Merlin Solar makes the best interconnect technology I've seen for
semi-flexible panels: thin grids that cover the cells and keep things
working even if the cell is shattered.  I believe they do mostly B2B, but I
know at least some of Solbian's panels incorporate their technology.

If your customer does want to consider some framed glass panels, stick to
the smaller sizes (100-160W) to reduce issues with frame flex (both the
vehicle's and the panel's!).

I do share your skepticism about the flex panels...  While I might go flex
next time for the weight savings, I have 2x 100W glass panels on my camper
van, installed by the previous owner.  After 7 years and 70,000 miles, many
off-road, they are doing great.

Out of curiosity, do you know what brand your customer's panels were and
how long before they gave out?

Best,

Alex MeVay

Blue Sky Energy * http://www.blueskyenergyinc.com
Genasun * http://www.genasun.com


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flex panels?

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Contact  Joe Marieno @Mia Sole 707-331-4030
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Dana  wrote:
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> I have a new client that has an over the top [$100K+] 4X4 off road camper 
> that has glued down flex PV modules that have died, faded PCV front sheets 
> with no output.
> I suggested a framed module but client in more interested in a flexible type 
> of glue down module.
>  
> Any suggestions on a flexible possibly glue down type of PV module, supplier 
> suggestions?
> Thanks in advance.
>  
>  
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Wayne Irwin]

I also agree with Jerry's comments.
I've been installing and living off grid for over 12 years and have ALWAYS used 
conventional appliances (while being mindful of consumption) with no issues 
including pumps and mini-split AC's.


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From: RE-wrenches  on behalf of Ray 

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:24 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine


I second Jerry's comments.  Back in the 90s, we sold Sunfrost DC fridges, DC 
fans, CFLs, DC Pumps, etc.  Just tons of trouble for very little benefit.  
Local fridge techs wouldn't touch them, and frankly they weren't as efficient 
as advertised.  The closer off grid clients can be to normal, the better.  That 
means normal wiring, normal appliances, etc.  Then you aren't on the hook for 
all these other items.  I hate to say it, but they just are not as well built 
or thought out, as main stream appliances, and the customer (after many bitter 
experiences) will eventually get normal equipment.

One other thing: plan on adding a LVD with a big contactor if you do have DC 
equipment or you'll ruin the batteries with this little detour down the "road 
less traveled"

Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 9/18/19 9:40 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
Wrenches
I have been in the renewable industry for a very many years and l dont quite  
understand why someone would spend way to much on a refrigerator or washer or 
even range when they have their own issues. I have always suggested that my 
customers to buy a name brand machine,  efficiency always a factor of course.  
Then invest in more batteries, modules, inverter etc. instead. In the long game 
it's a better investment with fewer headaches. Granted in some cases a propane 
refrigerator might be better but this is very seldom. But that's just me.
Jerry

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 7:13 AM Drake 
mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>>
 wrote:
Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the Staber. 
I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. The price tag on 
this machine is very high for something that isn't mechanically solid.

Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water usage, 
resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on the market?

Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Ray]

I too have a few Sunfrosts that are still with happy customers. We just 
had too many failures to justify the high cost overall. On the super 
efficient fridge topic:  I use the Backwoods Solar deep freeze 
conversion kit, which gets equally amazing energy numbers for about $500 
total.  It just uses a standard, off the shelf chest style deep freeze, 
with a thermostat that operates it at 40 deg F.  If anything goes wrong, 
nothing on the freezer is altered, so warranty and local service are 
still available.


https://www.backwoodssolar.com/products/appliances/refrigerators-freezers/external-thermostat


Ray Walters
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303 505-8760

On 9/18/19 1:55 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote:


ahem... i need to correct this with my personal experience.

perhaps this is an exception, but my 24 year old sunfrost RF-12 is 
still going strong, 100% problem free...


and it gets better efficiency than advertised:
it uses 390 watt hours/ day = 142 kWh/year

while solar pv is less expensive than it used to be it is still made 
with hydrocarbon powered mining and manufacturing.


call me "old school", but solar powering waste is not green.

todd



On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:24pm, "Ray"  said:

I second Jerry's comments.  Back in the 90s, we sold Sunfrost DC 
fridges, DC fans, CFLs, DC Pumps, etc.  Just tons of trouble for very 
little benefit.  Local fridge techs wouldn't touch them, and frankly 
they weren't as efficient as advertised.  The closer off grid clients 
can be to normal, the better.  That means normal wiring, normal 
appliances, etc.  Then you aren't on the hook for all these other 
items.  I hate to say it, but they just are not as well built or 
thought out, as main stream appliances, and the customer (after many 
bitter experiences) will eventually get normal equipment.


One other thing: plan on adding a LVD with a big contactor if you do 
have DC equipment or you'll ruin the batteries with this little detour 
down the "road less traveled"


Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760

On 9/18/19 9:40 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:

Wrenches
I have been in the renewable industry for a very many years and l
dont quite  understand why someone would spend way to much on a
refrigerator or washer or even range when they have their own
issues. I have always suggested that my customers to buy a name
brand machine,  efficiency always a factor of course.  Then invest
in more batteries, modules, inverter etc. instead. In the long
game it's a better investment with fewer headaches. Granted in
some cases a propane refrigerator might be better but this is very
seldom. But that's just me.
Jerry

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 7:13 AM Drake
mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>> wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine
was the Staber. I've read of complaints about cheap plastic
parts breaking. The price tag on this machine is very high for
something that isn't mechanically solid.

Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low
water usage, resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of
electronics on the market?

Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
/Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
/http://athens-electric.com/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[toddcory]

ahem... i need to correct this with my personal experience. 

perhaps this is an exception, but my 24 year old sunfrost RF-12 is still going 
strong, 100% problem free... 

and it gets better efficiency than advertised: 
it uses 390 watt hours/ day = 142 kWh/year

while solar pv is less expensive than it used to be it is still made with 
hydrocarbon powered mining and manufacturing. 

call me "old school", but solar powering waste is not green.

todd
 
 


On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:24pm, "Ray"  said:



I second Jerry's comments.  Back in the 90s, we sold Sunfrost DC fridges, DC 
fans, CFLs, DC Pumps, etc.  Just tons of trouble for very little benefit.  
Local fridge techs wouldn't touch them, and frankly they weren't as efficient 
as advertised.  The closer off grid clients can be to normal, the better.  That 
means normal wiring, normal appliances, etc.  Then you aren't on the hook for 
all these other items.  I hate to say it, but they just are not as well built 
or thought out, as main stream appliances, and the customer (after many bitter 
experiences) will eventually get normal equipment.  
One other thing: plan on adding a LVD with a big contactor if you do have DC 
equipment or you'll ruin the batteries with this little detour down the "road 
less traveled"
Ray WaltersRemote Solar303 505-8760
On 9/18/19 9:40 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
Wrenches
I have been in the renewable industry for a very many years and l dont quite  
understand why someone would spend way to much on a refrigerator or washer or 
even range when they have their own issues. I have always suggested that my 
customers to buy a name brand machine,  efficiency always a factor of course.  
Then invest in more batteries, modules, inverter etc. instead. In the long game 
it's a better investment with fewer headaches. Granted in some cases a propane 
refrigerator might be better but this is very seldom. But that's just me.
Jerry


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 7:13 AM Drake <[ drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org ]( 
mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org )> wrote:
Hello Wrenches,

 For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the Staber. 
I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. The price tag on 
this machine is very high for something that isn't mechanically solid. 

 Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water usage, 
resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on the market? 

 Thanks,

 Drake 

 Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
 OH License 44810
 CO License 3773
 NABCEP Certified Solar PV 
 740-448-7328
[ http://athens-electric.com/ ]( http://athens-electric.com/ ) 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Ray]

I second Jerry's comments.  Back in the 90s, we sold Sunfrost DC 
fridges, DC fans, CFLs, DC Pumps, etc.  Just tons of trouble for very 
little benefit.  Local fridge techs wouldn't touch them, and frankly 
they weren't as efficient as advertised.  The closer off grid clients 
can be to normal, the better.  That means normal wiring, normal 
appliances, etc.  Then you aren't on the hook for all these other 
items.  I hate to say it, but they just are not as well built or thought 
out, as main stream appliances, and the customer (after many bitter 
experiences) will eventually get normal equipment.


One other thing: plan on adding a LVD with a big contactor if you do 
have DC equipment or you'll ruin the batteries with this little detour 
down the "road less traveled"


Ray Walters
Remote Solar
303 505-8760

On 9/18/19 9:40 AM, Jerry Shafer wrote:

Wrenches
I have been in the renewable industry for a very many years and l dont 
quite  understand why someone would spend way to much on a 
refrigerator or washer or even range when they have their own issues. 
I have always suggested that my customers to buy a name brand 
machine,  efficiency always a factor of course.  Then invest in more 
batteries, modules, inverter etc. instead. In the long game it's a 
better investment with fewer headaches. Granted in some cases a 
propane refrigerator might be better but this is very seldom. But 
that's just me.

Jerry

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 7:13 AM Drake 
> wrote:


Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was
the Staber. I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts
breaking. The price tag on this machine is very high for something
that isn't mechanically solid.

Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water
usage, resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics
on the market?

Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
/Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
/http://athens-electric.com/
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Flex panels?

[Marco Mangelsdorf]

The SunPower flex linethe best one is going to find.

marco

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, Dana  wrote:

> Hey there All –
>
>
>
> I have a new client that has an over the top [$100K+] 4X4 off road camper
> that has glued down flex PV modules that have died, faded PCV front sheets
> with no output.
>
> I suggested a framed module but client in more interested in a flexible
> type of glue down module.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on a flexible possibly glue down type of PV module,
> supplier suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc.
>
> *C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com
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> Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374
>
> NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.com
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[RE-wrenches] Flex panels?

[Dana]

Hey there All - 

 

I have a new client that has an over the top [$100K+] 4X4 off road camper
that has glued down flex PV modules that have died, faded PCV front sheets
with no output.

I suggested a framed module but client in more interested in a flexible type
of glue down module.

 

Any suggestions on a flexible possibly glue down type of PV module, supplier
suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136   www.solarwork.com
 

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Dana]

Fisher PayKal -140 whr/load.

Only complaint is the rinse out on a duvet cover sometimes fine, sometimes
dusty still & requires a second rinse.

I replaced my control board after 12 years - $160. It not fancy, has delayed
start 1, 3, & 9 hours, does a superior high-speed spinout and things dry on
the line or in the dryer quicker. I have run this on OB VFX & Radian
inverters no issues.

 

 

 

Dana Orzel  Great Solar Works, Inc. 

C - 208.721.7003   d...@solarwork.com

Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374

NABCEP # 051112-136
www.solarwork.com

"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988"  

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

From: RE-wrenches  On Behalf Of
Drake
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 7:22 AM
To: RE-wrenches 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

 

Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the Staber.
I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. The price tag on
this machine is very high for something that isn't mechanically solid. 

Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water usage,
resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on the market? 

Thanks,

Drake 

Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV 
740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/ 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Bi-Facial or transparent modules

[Howie Michaelson]

My supplier (Green Mountain Energy Supply, Burlington, Vermont -
800-639-2065) is listing the following:
CANADIAN SOLAR CS3U-350PB-AG BIKU

No idea if they would ship them - they usually do their own delivery...
Howie


On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:45 PM  wrote:

> So, does anyone actually know of* any* distributor offering bi-facial
> modules?  I know of some manufacturers who claim to have them, but I’m
> not finding them in the U.S.   And I don’t want to buy a container, just
> enough for a residential system…like 16 or so modules in the ~300W range.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Chris Daum
>
> Oasis Montana Inc.
>
> 406-777-4309 or 4321
>
> 406-777-4309 fax
>
> www.oasismontana.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* RE-wrenches  *On
> Behalf Of *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:11 AM
> *To:* RE-wrenches 
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Bi-Facial or transparent modules
>
>
>
> I have used these below. The last final issue of solar pro had a great
> article on bifacial. On a tracker in the snow or sand they are pretty
> amazing if done right. The old Sanyo bi facials had water problems.
>
> https://www.prismsolar.com/
>
> *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar*
>
> *"we go where powerlines don't"*
>
> *http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ *
>
> *e-mail  offgridso...@sti.net *
>
> *text 209 813 0060*
>
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:38:48 -0500, Jason Szumlanski <
> ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm curious about this, too. I'm looking for something that accepts MLPE
> bolted to the frame and has a good wind rating.
>
>
>
> Jason Szumlanski
>
> Florida Solar Design Group
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:19 AM Wayne Irwin 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a source for bi-facial or double glass modules with
> frames?
>
>
>
>
>
> Wayne Irwin
> President
> License #CVC56695
> State Licensed Solar Contractor
> Pure Energy Solar International Inc.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Jerry Shafer]

Wrenches
I have been in the renewable industry for a very many years and l dont
quite  understand why someone would spend way to much on a refrigerator or
washer or even range when they have their own issues. I have always
suggested that my customers to buy a name brand machine,  efficiency always
a factor of course.  Then invest in more batteries, modules, inverter etc.
instead. In the long game it's a better investment with fewer headaches.
Granted in some cases a propane refrigerator might be better but this is
very seldom. But that's just me.
Jerry

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 7:13 AM Drake 
wrote:

> Hello Wrenches,
>
> For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the
> Staber. I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. The
> price tag on this machine is very high for something that isn't
> mechanically solid.
>
> Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water usage,
> resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on the market?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
> Drake Chamberlin
>
>
>
>
>
> *Athens Electric LLC OH License 44810 CO License 3773 NABCEP Certified
> Solar PV 740-448-7328 *http://athens-electric.com/
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[RE-wrenches] Off Grid Washing Machine

[Drake]

Hello Wrenches,

For years, is seemed like the best off grid washing machine was the 
Staber. I've read of complaints about cheap plastic parts breaking. 
The price tag on this machine is very high for something that isn't 
mechanically solid.


Are there any good options for an affordable, low power, low water 
usage, resilient, repairable machine with a minimum of electronics on 
the market?


Thanks,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328
http://athens-electric.com/
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