Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread John Blittersdorf
Dan & Howie,
As Dan said, there was quite a long period getting out the kinks out of
Optics but now I'm not having any problems.  I'm monitoring 19 systems for
my customers and most problems recently have been getting a good internet
connection.  I finally got one on Huges Net working and all problems were
the wifi extender.  I put in a new one and it's working fine now.  I use
Exede (Viasat) at my house and it works fine hard wired to the
modem/router.  Had problems here with wifi extenders. The Optics is really
useful now trying to tweak systems with LiFePO batteries.  Those delicate
voltage settings sometimes require a few small adjustments to balance
between minimizing generator run time and keeping the battery from shutting
down.  The only problem lately with the Outback/Lithium combination is not
being able to set the low battery cutout high enough on the MATE 3 to get
the inverter to shut down before the battery does.   I've had a few system
shutdowns where I have had to go to the site and reboot the battery.  Many
of my customers are second homes and sometimes rented out so monitoring the
system is useful.  I have had a few situations where I have had to talk the
renters through manually starting a generator or rebooting a battery,
saving me a 3 hour round trip service call.

John Blittersdorf
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
CV Wind Service (and solar)
200 West Road
N Chittenden, VT 05763



On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:01 PM Dan Fink  wrote:

> Mac;  Interesting to hear that you've had success via satellite internet.
> Which flavor was it, Hughes, Excede or both? It was 3-4 years ago that I
> tried and failed with it at 2 different sites (one was my own
> residence).there have been a few firmware updates since then, so I
> might just give it a try again.
> Satellite, powerline ethernet extenders, and LAN cable over 50 feet are on
> the official Outback "not recommended" list. Their networking document is
> located here:
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/appnotes/optics_conn_app_note.pdf
>
> Howie; I've found that a Klein Scout Pro 3 LAN cable tester is a handy and
> inexpensive tool for diagnosing bad or damaged-while-pulling LAN cables.
> And a cheap RJ-## LAN cable termination kit so you can make custom length
> cables for Outback and Midnite systems, instead of finding someplace to
> hide all the inevitable ugly extra cable length with the factory-supplied
> LAN cables.
>
> As for the Midnite remote monitor system, I've tried and failed on
> satellite, their application notes say it won't work, but I'd love to try
> it again if anyone else out there has had luck with Midnite over satellite.
>
> Dan Fink
> Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting
> NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
> IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
> ~ PV Installation Professional
> ~ Small Wind Installer
> NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers
> d anbo...@gmail.com
> 970-672-4342
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:22 PM Mac Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Hi Howie and Wrenches,
>>
>> We have quite a few OpticsRE sites functioning fine on satellite
>> internet so I don't think that there is any defined limitation there.  I
>> like to use a Hub 10.3 with systems that you intend to have on Optics.
>> Optics not perfect but its better than other off-grid monitoring and gives
>> decent control to the administrator.  Hoping to see something made for
>> mobile devices soon.
>>
>> I find online monitoring to be super useful as a solar integrator and
>> worth the effort to install properly.  Hardwire is preferred way to do
>> this, but I have had good success using a TP Link Wireless Nanorouter in
>> client-mode (serving only the internet device hardwired in).  The nice
>> thing about client mode is that the Mate won't get booted off of the
>> network by other devices connecting to the network through the TP Link.
>>
>> There may be some anomalies with integrating older equipment but I'm not
>> sure on that.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread William Miller
Howie:



I find the OtpicsRE system to be very helpful.  If there is any chance to
hook up a system, I do it.  Here are some features I like, in no particular
order:



·The dashboard is well thought out.

·You can view Event logs and download them as CSV files.

·I remote start the generator and EQ on systems I maintain a few
hours before I visit the site so I don’t have to wait around for the entire
EQ cycle to complete.

·If you hover over the bars on the graph you get kWh consumption
and production.  This is great to school clients when they are profligate
with energy usage.

·I invite my clients to participate in their own systems and some
navigate it well, some not so well.

·There are a lot of alerts to choose from, too many in fact.  I
created a spreadsheet with all of the possible alerts and use it to keep
track of which ones I want for each client.  A sample copy is attached.



I recall there were some growing pains as the system was developed and some
things I had to get used to.  Funny though I can’t remember most of the
early problems.  I do remember these:



·I have seen systems reconfigure themselves when connected to
Optics.  Don’t know if Optics caused the problem or it was unrelated.  The
worst case was several FX inverters configure themselves to all be Masters
at the same time.

·If you sign up for all alerts you will occasionally see a flurry
of messages that configuration changes were made when you know they were
not. I turn off this alert.



I have used satellite internet with no problems



I have extended Wi-Fi with Ubiquiti M2 Loco Nanostations with pretty good
reliability.



Hope this helps.



William

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





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*To:* RE-wrenches
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Optics RE



Hey FOlks,

While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years I
have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
it seems it is the best option for remote oversight, so I am trying to
figure out what is required and what it is capable of.

I've read through the initial documentation and as best I can gather, I
need a Mate 3s and an internet connection - is that all?  I assume having a
FlexnetDC in the system is critical as well.  I'm also wondering if there
is a way to monitor basic production data from a Midnite Classic through
the Optics system. And is the Optics RE system fairly solid since I'm not
thrilled about putting in systems that need too much fussing or attention
to keep operating once they are set up properly. Finally, are there any
other comparable monitoring equipment that would work for monitoring such
systems?

Thanks,

Howie


*Howie MichaelsonSun Catcher*


*NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™*
*Solar Electric Systems Sales & Service**802-272-0004*


Optics Alerts and Notifications.xlsx
Description: MS-Excel 2007 spreadsheet
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Dan Fink
Mac;  Interesting to hear that you've had success via satellite internet.
Which flavor was it, Hughes, Excede or both? It was 3-4 years ago that I
tried and failed with it at 2 different sites (one was my own
residence).there have been a few firmware updates since then, so I
might just give it a try again.
Satellite, powerline ethernet extenders, and LAN cable over 50 feet are on
the official Outback "not recommended" list. Their networking document is
located here:
http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/appnotes/optics_conn_app_note.pdf

Howie; I've found that a Klein Scout Pro 3 LAN cable tester is a handy and
inexpensive tool for diagnosing bad or damaged-while-pulling LAN cables.
And a cheap RJ-## LAN cable termination kit so you can make custom length
cables for Outback and Midnite systems, instead of finding someplace to
hide all the inevitable ugly extra cable length with the factory-supplied
LAN cables.

As for the Midnite remote monitor system, I've tried and failed on
satellite, their application notes say it won't work, but I'd love to try
it again if anyone else out there has had luck with Midnite over satellite.

Dan Fink
Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting
NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
~ PV Installation Professional
~ Small Wind Installer
NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers
d anbo...@gmail.com
970-672-4342




On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:22 PM Mac Lewis  wrote:

> Hi Howie and Wrenches,
>
> We have quite a few OpticsRE sites functioning fine on satellite
> internet so I don't think that there is any defined limitation there.  I
> like to use a Hub 10.3 with systems that you intend to have on Optics.
> Optics not perfect but its better than other off-grid monitoring and gives
> decent control to the administrator.  Hoping to see something made for
> mobile devices soon.
>
> I find online monitoring to be super useful as a solar integrator and
> worth the effort to install properly.  Hardwire is preferred way to do
> this, but I have had good success using a TP Link Wireless Nanorouter in
> client-mode (serving only the internet device hardwired in).  The nice
> thing about client mode is that the Mate won't get booted off of the
> network by other devices connecting to the network through the TP Link.
>
> There may be some anomalies with integrating older equipment but I'm not
> sure on that.
>
> Good Luck
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Howie and Wrenches,

We have quite a few OpticsRE sites functioning fine on satellite
internet so I don't think that there is any defined limitation there.  I
like to use a Hub 10.3 with systems that you intend to have on Optics.
Optics not perfect but its better than other off-grid monitoring and gives
decent control to the administrator.  Hoping to see something made for
mobile devices soon.

I find online monitoring to be super useful as a solar integrator and worth
the effort to install properly.  Hardwire is preferred way to do this, but
I have had good success using a TP Link Wireless Nanorouter in client-mode
(serving only the internet device hardwired in).  The nice thing about
client mode is that the Mate won't get booted off of the network by other
devices connecting to the network through the TP Link.

There may be some anomalies with integrating older equipment but I'm not
sure on that.

Good Luck

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:51 PM Howie Michaelson 
wrote:

> Thanks guys. I really appreciate the info. That does a lot to clear up my
> misgivings with attempting this!
>
> My only hesitancy at this point is switching to the Mate3. When it first
> came out, I put it into an off grid upgrade, but ended up hating it - I
> found it more complicated and less intuitive than the original Mate (which
> says a lot considering the lack of intuitive design of that). So it seemed
> harder to explain to my clients. (Maybe I just hate change).
>
> Dan, do you know why satellite won't work for the optics internet
> connections? Many of my remote sites only have satellite internet access.
>
> Thanks again,
> Howie
> Howie Michaelson
> Sun Catcher
> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
> Solar Electric & Heat Pumps Systems Sales & Service
> 802-272-0004
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 7:56 PM Dan Fink  wrote:
>
>> Howie; I'm pretty satisfied with the current condition of the OpticsRE
>> world. Most of the past problems have been ironed out, and I've had good
>> email tech support from Outback (!).
>>
>> You'll need a Mate 3S, an Outback Hub, and a Flexnet DC with shunts for
>> each channel you want to measure. If all your equipment is Outback, you
>> only need the Net shunt on the FLexnet DC, otherwise, more shunts. As Jerry
>> mentioned, the Mate 3S will automatically get it's IP address from the
>> router and connect online, you just type its MAC address into the OpticsRE
>> portal and it starts communicating.
>>
>> The critical thing is the internet connection -- it must be rock solid or
>> you'll have no end of woes. Satellite internet (Hughes, Exced) will NOT
>> work with it (nor with Midnite's monitoring system BTW). Wired LAN (Cat 5)
>> has worked the best for me, but do NOT exceed (or even approach, in my
>> experience) the 50 foot limit. If you use a wifi adaptor on the Mate 3S
>> instead of wired, make sure you have an *excellent* wifi signal in the room
>> with the Mate 3S.  I've never tried a cell adaptor, as where I work cell
>> service is weak and spotty if it even exists, but I assume a very strong
>> cell connection would be needed. In one situation with no cell service,
>> long wire run for ethernet and bad interior wifi (concrete/stucco/adobe
>> style walls) but good  local coax modem internet, I just ran fiber optic
>> cable with a fiber to ethernet adaptor on each end (Mate 3S and cable
>> modem) outdoors in conduit, about $150 in equipment, and that cable could
>> be half mile long but seem like 3 feet to the Mate 3S.
>>
>> As for the Midnite controller, just put one shunt for the Flexnet DC on
>> the output of the Midnite CC, and you'll at least be able to read amperage
>> and work the watt/hour meter. The Flexnet DC gives you a shunt channel for
>> net on the main DC negative, plus 3 more shunt channels to measure whatever
>> you want -- wind turbine, other brand CCs, etc.
>>
>> The configurable email alerts and automated daily data dumps are super
>> handy for systems that are hours drive away. I also learned to set the Mate
>> 3S to automatically reboot every 24 hoursthis (oddly) cleared up many
>> problems I had in the past with the Mate 3S dropping offline randomly.
>>
>> Dan Fink
>> Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting
>> NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
>> IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
>> ~ PV Installation Professional
>> ~ Small Wind Installer
>> NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers
>> d anbo...@gmail.com
>> 970-672-4342
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:05 PM Howie Michaelson <
>> howie.michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey FOlks,
>>> While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years
>>> I have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
>>> legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
>>> communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
>>> haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
>>> it seems it is the best option for remote overs

Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Howie Michaelson
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the info. That does a lot to clear up my
misgivings with attempting this!

My only hesitancy at this point is switching to the Mate3. When it first
came out, I put it into an off grid upgrade, but ended up hating it - I
found it more complicated and less intuitive than the original Mate (which
says a lot considering the lack of intuitive design of that). So it seemed
harder to explain to my clients. (Maybe I just hate change).

Dan, do you know why satellite won't work for the optics internet
connections? Many of my remote sites only have satellite internet access.

Thanks again,
Howie
Howie Michaelson
Sun Catcher
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™
Solar Electric & Heat Pumps Systems Sales & Service
802-272-0004

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 7:56 PM Dan Fink  wrote:

> Howie; I'm pretty satisfied with the current condition of the OpticsRE
> world. Most of the past problems have been ironed out, and I've had good
> email tech support from Outback (!).
>
> You'll need a Mate 3S, an Outback Hub, and a Flexnet DC with shunts for
> each channel you want to measure. If all your equipment is Outback, you
> only need the Net shunt on the FLexnet DC, otherwise, more shunts. As Jerry
> mentioned, the Mate 3S will automatically get it's IP address from the
> router and connect online, you just type its MAC address into the OpticsRE
> portal and it starts communicating.
>
> The critical thing is the internet connection -- it must be rock solid or
> you'll have no end of woes. Satellite internet (Hughes, Exced) will NOT
> work with it (nor with Midnite's monitoring system BTW). Wired LAN (Cat 5)
> has worked the best for me, but do NOT exceed (or even approach, in my
> experience) the 50 foot limit. If you use a wifi adaptor on the Mate 3S
> instead of wired, make sure you have an *excellent* wifi signal in the room
> with the Mate 3S.  I've never tried a cell adaptor, as where I work cell
> service is weak and spotty if it even exists, but I assume a very strong
> cell connection would be needed. In one situation with no cell service,
> long wire run for ethernet and bad interior wifi (concrete/stucco/adobe
> style walls) but good  local coax modem internet, I just ran fiber optic
> cable with a fiber to ethernet adaptor on each end (Mate 3S and cable
> modem) outdoors in conduit, about $150 in equipment, and that cable could
> be half mile long but seem like 3 feet to the Mate 3S.
>
> As for the Midnite controller, just put one shunt for the Flexnet DC on
> the output of the Midnite CC, and you'll at least be able to read amperage
> and work the watt/hour meter. The Flexnet DC gives you a shunt channel for
> net on the main DC negative, plus 3 more shunt channels to measure whatever
> you want -- wind turbine, other brand CCs, etc.
>
> The configurable email alerts and automated daily data dumps are super
> handy for systems that are hours drive away. I also learned to set the Mate
> 3S to automatically reboot every 24 hoursthis (oddly) cleared up many
> problems I had in the past with the Mate 3S dropping offline randomly.
>
> Dan Fink
> Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting
> NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
> IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
> ~ PV Installation Professional
> ~ Small Wind Installer
> NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers
> d anbo...@gmail.com
> 970-672-4342
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:05 PM Howie Michaelson <
> howie.michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey FOlks,
>> While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years I
>> have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
>> legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
>> communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
>> haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
>> it seems it is the best option for remote oversight, so I am trying to
>> figure out what is required and what it is capable of.
>> I've read through the initial documentation and as best I can gather, I
>> need a Mate 3s and an internet connection - is that all?  I assume having a
>> FlexnetDC in the system is critical as well.  I'm also wondering if there
>> is a way to monitor basic production data from a Midnite Classic through
>> the Optics system. And is the Optics RE system fairly solid since I'm not
>> thrilled about putting in systems that need too much fussing or attention
>> to keep operating once they are set up properly. Finally, are there any
>> other comparable monitoring equipment that would work for monitoring such
>> systems?
>> Thanks,
>> Howie
>>
>> *Howie Michaelson**Sun Catcher*
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Dan Fink
Howie; I'm pretty satisfied with the current condition of the OpticsRE
world. Most of the past problems have been ironed out, and I've had good
email tech support from Outback (!).

You'll need a Mate 3S, an Outback Hub, and a Flexnet DC with shunts for
each channel you want to measure. If all your equipment is Outback, you
only need the Net shunt on the FLexnet DC, otherwise, more shunts. As Jerry
mentioned, the Mate 3S will automatically get it's IP address from the
router and connect online, you just type its MAC address into the OpticsRE
portal and it starts communicating.

The critical thing is the internet connection -- it must be rock solid or
you'll have no end of woes. Satellite internet (Hughes, Exced) will NOT
work with it (nor with Midnite's monitoring system BTW). Wired LAN (Cat 5)
has worked the best for me, but do NOT exceed (or even approach, in my
experience) the 50 foot limit. If you use a wifi adaptor on the Mate 3S
instead of wired, make sure you have an *excellent* wifi signal in the room
with the Mate 3S.  I've never tried a cell adaptor, as where I work cell
service is weak and spotty if it even exists, but I assume a very strong
cell connection would be needed. In one situation with no cell service,
long wire run for ethernet and bad interior wifi (concrete/stucco/adobe
style walls) but good  local coax modem internet, I just ran fiber optic
cable with a fiber to ethernet adaptor on each end (Mate 3S and cable
modem) outdoors in conduit, about $150 in equipment, and that cable could
be half mile long but seem like 3 feet to the Mate 3S.

As for the Midnite controller, just put one shunt for the Flexnet DC on the
output of the Midnite CC, and you'll at least be able to read amperage and
work the watt/hour meter. The Flexnet DC gives you a shunt channel for net
on the main DC negative, plus 3 more shunt channels to measure whatever you
want -- wind turbine, other brand CCs, etc.

The configurable email alerts and automated daily data dumps are super
handy for systems that are hours drive away. I also learned to set the Mate
3S to automatically reboot every 24 hoursthis (oddly) cleared up many
problems I had in the past with the Mate 3S dropping offline randomly.

Dan Fink
Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting
NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector
IREC Certified Instructor™ for:
~ PV Installation Professional
~ Small Wind Installer
NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers
d anbo...@gmail.com
970-672-4342




On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:05 PM Howie Michaelson 
wrote:

> Hey FOlks,
> While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years I
> have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
> legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
> communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
> haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
> it seems it is the best option for remote oversight, so I am trying to
> figure out what is required and what it is capable of.
> I've read through the initial documentation and as best I can gather, I
> need a Mate 3s and an internet connection - is that all?  I assume having a
> FlexnetDC in the system is critical as well.  I'm also wondering if there
> is a way to monitor basic production data from a Midnite Classic through
> the Optics system. And is the Optics RE system fairly solid since I'm not
> thrilled about putting in systems that need too much fussing or attention
> to keep operating once they are set up properly. Finally, are there any
> other comparable monitoring equipment that would work for monitoring such
> systems?
> Thanks,
> Howie
>
> *Howie Michaelson**Sun Catcher*
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches
You will need the mate celular or some hard line comm. Make sure you have
all current firmware in all the devices.
Once you set up the mate at the home screen push the port button and get
the Mac address, next set up your site on opticsRE and your done, keep all
on one log in site and easy peasy. Software is a must dont skip it.
Jerry
NABCEP PV Inspector

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:05 PM Howie Michaelson 
wrote:

> Hey FOlks,
> While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years I
> have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
> legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
> communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
> haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
> it seems it is the best option for remote oversight, so I am trying to
> figure out what is required and what it is capable of.
> I've read through the initial documentation and as best I can gather, I
> need a Mate 3s and an internet connection - is that all?  I assume having a
> FlexnetDC in the system is critical as well.  I'm also wondering if there
> is a way to monitor basic production data from a Midnite Classic through
> the Optics system. And is the Optics RE system fairly solid since I'm not
> thrilled about putting in systems that need too much fussing or attention
> to keep operating once they are set up properly. Finally, are there any
> other comparable monitoring equipment that would work for monitoring such
> systems?
> Thanks,
> Howie
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[RE-wrenches] Optics RE

2020-10-12 Thread Howie Michaelson
Hey FOlks,
While Outback had been my goto offgrid system, over the last many years I
have gravitated to the Conext and Sol-Ark systems.  However, I have many
legacy Outback VFX systems out there and some could really use remote
communication.  Unfortunately, I have stayed far away from Optics RE, as I
haven't been thrilled with the reports of issues the system had. However,
it seems it is the best option for remote oversight, so I am trying to
figure out what is required and what it is capable of.
I've read through the initial documentation and as best I can gather, I
need a Mate 3s and an internet connection - is that all?  I assume having a
FlexnetDC in the system is critical as well.  I'm also wondering if there
is a way to monitor basic production data from a Midnite Classic through
the Optics system. And is the Optics RE system fairly solid since I'm not
thrilled about putting in systems that need too much fussing or attention
to keep operating once they are set up properly. Finally, are there any
other comparable monitoring equipment that would work for monitoring such
systems?
Thanks,
Howie

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