Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-23 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
Hi List, Tigo was hard to pin down on this issue and they told me to 
contact Sol-Ark. I did, and they called back and said the method I 
proposed was their recommended method.  So, I will reattach the 
drawing.  The one thing this does not do, is shut down the Critical 
Loads panel.  To do that would take three disconnects I think. One for 
the AC utility interconnection, one for the Tigo transmitter, and one 
for pin 11/12.  Thank you to everyone.  Have a peaceful Thanksgiving.  Chris

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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-18 Thread Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches 
Morning folks

 

  We have been using RSD with Sol-Arks for a few years now. Tigo and AP
Smart. We use a breaker in the CL panel and wire it to a small disconnect
next to the AC disconnect and wire it back to the Tigo or AP smart power
supply / transmitter. Works well, no confusion though a bit more $$ for wire
and the small 30 amp disconnect.

 

  Thx

Peter Giroux

ASAE

 

 

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Lloyd Hoffstatter via RE-wrenches
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:47 AM
To: cwar...@entech-engineering.com; RE-wrenches
; Bradley Bassett 
Cc: Lloyd Hoffstatter 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

 

Chris,

For emergency shutoff switch i just used a lock pushbotton switch in a clear
front lockable box with an led to indicate status. We did use an external
power supply because we were using Tigo optimizers, CCA and TAP.

Best regards,

Lloyd

 

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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility 

 

Thanks everyone, the person I started with a SolArk asked me to call them,
so I've left a message.  I'll let everyone know what the determination is.
Bradley raises a good point about shutting down the back up loads panel. We
would like to have an outdoor accessible disconnect switch between the back
up loads panel and the inverter so that can happen more easily for first
responders.  I have to go back and understand a few more things and will let
you know.  Thanks again. Chris

On 11/16/2022 10:14 PM, Bradley Bassett wrote:

The issue as I see it is that the Tigo RSS Transmitter and the APsmart
transmitter are both rated to draw up to 800ma. The 12VDC output of the
Sol-Ark inverters is limited to 100ma. Since some have used this
successfully I suppose that means that either these transmitters don't
really use more than 100ma, or the 12VDC output of the Sol-Ark can actually
handle more than that, or some combination of both. If I owned a Sol-Ark I'd
test this to see what the answer is, but alas I do not. I design systems
using a 48VDC to 12VDC power supply (Online Components has a Mean-Well
device for a reasonable price, sorry no link from here) and a fairly rare
IMO shutdown button (we have that) that has both NO and NC contacts. This is
needed because to shut down the Sol-Ark inverter requires a NO contact that
closes on initiation which is quite rare in RSD initiators. And you do still
need to shut down the inverter as well as the RSD devices so that it does
not continue to feed voltage back into the PV circuits (I think). This also
shuts down the AC output of the Sol-Ark which tends to make the inspector
happy. Since it also shuts down the inverter, that limits the battery to its
own circuits, does this count as a battery disconnect also?? I'm seeing some
inspectors calling out for battery disconnects which is much more
problematic.  

 

Brad Bassett

AEE Solar

 

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:27 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > wrote:

Wrenches, Christopher 

I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in the inverter
with no issues, Now with that connecting to the output side it would do much
the same work until it did not then shut off the modules.

Fun times

 

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > wrote:

Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
a little bit walking in circles. 

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they ask
for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which
they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service
panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is
exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery charging
when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to
be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and emails, I got an
email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed
them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they wired
the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel

 

 

 

 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-18 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
Hi Lloyd, Did you tie into the 12VDC of the SolArk with the lock 
pushbutton switch?


On 11/18/2022 10:47 AM, Lloyd Hoffstatter wrote:

Chris,
For emergency shutoff switch i just used a lock pushbotton switch in a 
clear front lockable box with an led to indicate status. We did use an 
external power supply because we were using Tigo optimizers, CCA and TAP.

Best regards,
Lloyd

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*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2022 10:14:52 AM
*To:* Bradley Bassett ; RE-wrenches 


*Cc:* Christopher Warfel 
*Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

Thanks everyone, the person I started with a SolArk asked me to call 
them, so I've left a message.  I'll let everyone know what the 
determination is.  Bradley raises a good point about shutting down the 
back up loads panel. We would like to have an outdoor accessible 
disconnect switch between the back up loads panel and the inverter so 
that can happen more easily for first responders.  I have to go back 
and understand a few more things and will let you know. Thanks again. 
Chris


On 11/16/2022 10:14 PM, Bradley Bassett wrote:
The issue as I see it is that the Tigo RSS Transmitter and the 
APsmart transmitter are both rated to draw up to 800ma. The 12VDC 
output of the Sol-Ark inverters is limited to 100ma. Since some have 
used this successfully I suppose that means that either these 
transmitters don't really use more than 100ma, or the 12VDC output of 
the Sol-Ark can actually handle more than that, or some combination 
of both. If I owned a Sol-Ark I'd test this to see what the answer 
is, but alas I do not. I design systems using a 48VDC to 12VDC power 
supply (Online Components has a Mean-Well device for a reasonable 
price, sorry no link from here) and a fairly rare IMO shutdown button 
(we have that) that has both NO and NC contacts. This is needed 
because to shut down the Sol-Ark inverter requires a NO contact that 
closes on initiation which is quite rare in RSD initiators. And you 
do still need to shut down the inverter as well as the RSD devices so 
that it does not continue to feed voltage back into the PV circuits 
(I think). This also shuts down the AC output of the Sol-Ark which 
tends to make the inspector happy. Since it also shuts down the 
inverter, that limits the battery to its own circuits, does this 
count as a battery disconnect also?? I'm seeing some inspectors 
calling out for battery disconnects which is much more problematic.


Brad Bassett
AEE Solar

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:27 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
<mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:


Wrenches, Christopher
I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in
the inverter with no issues, Now with that connecting to the
output side it would do much the same work until it did not then
shut off the modules.
Fun times

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via
RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> wrote:

Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The
inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS
is the TS4F.  Tigo has me a little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the
transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they
supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power.
I told them that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as
that would stop the battery charging when there is a loss of
utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to be the
back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and emails,
I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals
for RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk
manual that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know
how they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for
any guidance, Chris Warfel





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     ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
            401-466-8978
<http://entech-engineering.com>


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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-18 Thread Lloyd Hoffstatter via RE-wrenches 
Chris,
For emergency shutoff switch i just used a lock pushbotton switch in a clear 
front lockable box with an led to indicate status. We did use an external power 
supply because we were using Tigo optimizers, CCA and TAP.
Best regards,
Lloyd

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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:14:52 AM
To: Bradley Bassett ; RE-wrenches 

Cc: Christopher Warfel 
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility


Thanks everyone, the person I started with a SolArk asked me to call them, so 
I've left a message.  I'll let everyone know what the determination is.  
Bradley raises a good point about shutting down the back up loads panel. We 
would like to have an outdoor accessible disconnect switch between the back up 
loads panel and the inverter so that can happen more easily for first 
responders.  I have to go back and understand a few more things and will let 
you know.  Thanks again. Chris

On 11/16/2022 10:14 PM, Bradley Bassett wrote:
The issue as I see it is that the Tigo RSS Transmitter and the APsmart 
transmitter are both rated to draw up to 800ma. The 12VDC output of the Sol-Ark 
inverters is limited to 100ma. Since some have used this successfully I suppose 
that means that either these transmitters don't really use more than 100ma, or 
the 12VDC output of the Sol-Ark can actually handle more than that, or some 
combination of both. If I owned a Sol-Ark I'd test this to see what the answer 
is, but alas I do not. I design systems using a 48VDC to 12VDC power supply 
(Online Components has a Mean-Well device for a reasonable price, sorry no link 
from here) and a fairly rare IMO shutdown button (we have that) that has both 
NO and NC contacts. This is needed because to shut down the Sol-Ark inverter 
requires a NO contact that closes on initiation which is quite rare in RSD 
initiators. And you do still need to shut down the inverter as well as the RSD 
devices so that it does not continue to feed voltage back into the PV circuits 
(I think). This also shuts down the AC output of the Sol-Ark which tends to 
make the inspector happy. Since it also shuts down the inverter, that limits 
the battery to its own circuits, does this count as a battery disconnect also?? 
I'm seeing some inspectors calling out for battery disconnects which is much 
more problematic.

Brad Bassett
AEE Solar

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:27 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:
Wrenches, Christopher
I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in the inverter 
with no issues, Now with that connecting to the output side it would do much 
the same work until it did not then shut off the modules.
Fun times

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> 
wrote:

Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is 
SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me a 
little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for 
connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they ask 
for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they 
supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service panel so 
the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is exactly NOTwhat 
I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery charging when there is a loss 
of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to be the back up loads 
panel. After about a week of calls and emails, I got an email back saying to 
use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of 
the SolArk manual that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they wired the 
transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel





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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-18 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
Thanks everyone, the person I started with a SolArk asked me to call 
them, so I've left a message.  I'll let everyone know what the 
determination is.  Bradley raises a good point about shutting down the 
back up loads panel. We would like to have an outdoor accessible 
disconnect switch between the back up loads panel and the inverter so 
that can happen more easily for first responders.  I have to go back and 
understand a few more things and will let you know.  Thanks again. Chris


On 11/16/2022 10:14 PM, Bradley Bassett wrote:
The issue as I see it is that the Tigo RSS Transmitter and the APsmart 
transmitter are both rated to draw up to 800ma. The 12VDC output of 
the Sol-Ark inverters is limited to 100ma. Since some have used this 
successfully I suppose that means that either these transmitters don't 
really use more than 100ma, or the 12VDC output of the Sol-Ark can 
actually handle more than that, or some combination of both. If I 
owned a Sol-Ark I'd test this to see what the answer is, but alas I do 
not. I design systems using a 48VDC to 12VDC power supply (Online 
Components has a Mean-Well device for a reasonable price, sorry no 
link from here) and a fairly rare IMO shutdown button (we have that) 
that has both NO and NC contacts. This is needed because to shut down 
the Sol-Ark inverter requires a NO contact that closes on initiation 
which is quite rare in RSD initiators. And you do still need to shut 
down the inverter as well as the RSD devices so that it does not 
continue to feed voltage back into the PV circuits (I think). This 
also shuts down the AC output of the Sol-Ark which tends to make the 
inspector happy. Since it also shuts down the inverter, that limits 
the battery to its own circuits, does this count as a battery 
disconnect also?? I'm seeing some inspectors calling out for battery 
disconnects which is much more problematic.


Brad Bassett
AEE Solar

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:27 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Wrenches, Christopher
I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in
the inverter with no issues, Now with that connecting to the
output side it would do much the same work until it did not then
shut off the modules.
Fun times

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
 wrote:

Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The
inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS
is the TS4F. Tigo has me a little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the
transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they
supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I
told them that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that
would stop the battery charging when there is a loss of
utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to be the
back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and emails, I
got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual
that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know
how they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any
guidance, Chris Warfel





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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches 
The issue as I see it is that the Tigo RSS Transmitter and the APsmart
transmitter are both rated to draw up to 800ma. The 12VDC output of the
Sol-Ark inverters is limited to 100ma. Since some have used this
successfully I suppose that means that either these transmitters don't
really use more than 100ma, or the 12VDC output of the Sol-Ark can actually
handle more than that, or some combination of both. If I owned a Sol-Ark
I'd test this to see what the answer is, but alas I do not. I design
systems using a 48VDC to 12VDC power supply (Online Components has a
Mean-Well device for a reasonable price, sorry no link from here) and a
fairly rare IMO shutdown button (we have that) that has both NO and NC
contacts. This is needed because to shut down the Sol-Ark inverter requires
a NO contact that closes on initiation which is quite rare in RSD
initiators. And you do still need to shut down the inverter as well as the
RSD devices so that it does not continue to feed voltage back into the PV
circuits (I think). This also shuts down the AC output of the Sol-Ark which
tends to make the inspector happy. Since it also shuts down the inverter,
that limits the battery to its own circuits, does this count as a battery
disconnect also?? I'm seeing some inspectors calling out for battery
disconnects which is much more problematic.

Brad Bassett
AEE Solar

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:27 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Wrenches, Christopher
> I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in the
> inverter with no issues, Now with that connecting to the output side it
> would do much the same work until it did not then shut off the modules.
> Fun times
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
>> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
>> a little bit walking in circles.
>>
>> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
>> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they
>> ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
>> which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
>> service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them
>> that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
>> charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC
>> source to be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and
>> emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
>> RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not
>> to do that.
>>
>> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they
>> wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>  ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
>> PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
>> 401-466-8978
>> 
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches 
Wrenches, Christopher
I have done quite a few and per solark have always connected in the
inverter with no issues, Now with that connecting to the output side it
would do much the same work until it did not then shut off the modules.
Fun times

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
> a little bit walking in circles.
>
> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they
> ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
> which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
> service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them
> that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
> charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC
> source to be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and
> emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
> RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not
> to do that.
>
> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they
> wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Dustin Douglas via RE-wrenches 
Hello All,



The utilization of the onboard 12v DC power supply is dependent on the Rapid 
Shutdown Device that you are using, whether Tigo/APSystems/Midnite. Tigo has 
many different solutions in their TS4 series of products. The devices that 
utilize the RSS Transmitter only, TS4-A-F and TS4-A-2F receivers, will be able 
to utilize the onboard 12v power supply to power the RSS Transmitter. It is 
possible to power the RSS Transmitter separately from the inverter if it makes 
the most sense for the project.



However, if you are using any of the other TS4 series (TS4-A-O, TS4-A-M and 
TS4-A-S) these require the use of the CCA (Cloud Connect Advance) and the TAP 
(Tigo Access Point) kit provided by Tigo to provide the PTO (permission to 
operate) signal to the receivers. Both the CCA and TAP kit must be powered 
separately from the included 12vDC power supply in the Sol-Ark as this exceeds 
the power supply. We recommend that these items be powered by a 120vAC circuit 
connected to the "Load" breaker of the Sol-Ark so that the CCA and TAP kit are 
powered during a grid outage.



Thank you and have a blessed day,

Dustin Douglas










 On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 16:37:57 -0600 Chris Sparadeo 
 wrote ---



@DustinDouglas do you mind confirming if the Tigo RSS Transmitter is compatible 
with the 12vdc power supply from Sol-Ark, and if not…what should we be doing to 
supply power without having to rely on 120VAC output of the inverter? 



Thanks,



-Chris 





On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:22 PM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:

Hi Nick and List, that was my problem exactly. 
Chris





On 11/16/2022 12:38 PM, Nick A Lucchese
  via RE-wrenches wrote:


All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was
  initially confused on during a Solark install I was involved with
  last year. Uncertain if the manual has changed but in the Solark
  12k manual dated April 2, 2021 on page 23 it has a line saying- 



Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the
  Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use the built in 12v Power supply in the
  Sol-Ark user area to power the Tigo Optimizer TX transmitter)



I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these
  details. I’ve not looked at any of their newer manuals to see
  if some of these notes have changed.



Enjoy your day, Nick







On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo
via RE-wrenches 
wrote:



Hi Chris,



I echo Ronald’s experience. I
  wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark suggesting pins
  15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS
  Transmitter. The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a
  12vdc RSS transmitter to achieve rapid shut down. 



Best,



Chris 



On Wed, Nov 16,
  2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 

  wrote:

Aloha Chris, 



We have numerous Sol-Ark systems
  with Tigo TS4Fs where we have the transmitter
  wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with
  no issues to date.

 

 

Sent from a IPhone, with touch
screen keys on the fly. Please excuse
shortcuts and typos. 



Roland Shackelford
  
NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER

President 

Renewable Energy Services
  (RES), Inc. 

Mobile:  http://808-938-9239/

http://www.renewablenergy.com/





On Nov 16,
  2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via
  RE-wrenches 

  wrote:
 







Hi, We are doing our first
  system with these two devices. The
  inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and
  the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F. 
  Tigo has me a little bit walking in
  circles. 

I told them that SolArk says
not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals
for connecting the transmitter.  I gave
them the attached drawing which they ask
for, which shows the transmitter
connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
which they supply.  They told me to wire
the 120VAC source to the main service
panel so the array would shut down on
loss of power. I told them that is
exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as

Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
@DustinDouglas do you mind confirming if the Tigo RSS Transmitter is
compatible with the 12vdc power supply from Sol-Ark, and if not…what should
we be doing to supply power without having to rely on 120VAC output of the
inverter?

Thanks,

-Chris


On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:22 PM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi Nick and List, that was my problem exactly.  Chris
>

On 11/16/2022 12:38 PM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was initially
> confused on during a Solark install I was involved with last year.
> Uncertain if the manual has changed but in the Solark 12k manual dated
> April 2, 2021 on page 23 it has a line saying-
>
> Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use the
> built in 12v Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to power the Tigo
> Optimizer TX transmitter)
>
> I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these details. I’ve not
> looked at any of their newer manuals to see if some of these notes have
> changed.
>
> Enjoy your day, Nick
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark
> suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS Transmitter.
> The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS transmitter to achieve
> rapid shut down.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Aloha Chris,
>>
>> We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have the
>> transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no issues to date.
>>
>> Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse
>> shortcuts and typos.
>>
>>
>> Roland Shackelford
>> NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
>> President
>> Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
>> Mobile:  *808-938-9239 *
>> www.renewablenergy.com
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
>> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
>> a little bit walking in circles.
>>
>> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
>> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they
>> ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
>> which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
>> service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them
>> that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
>> charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC
>> source to be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and
>> emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
>> RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not
>> to do that.
>>
>> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they
>> wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Christopher Warfel
>>  ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
>> PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
>> 401-466-8978
>>
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
Thanks Kent, I would have thought they would have this clarified by now. 
I think that we will just use a remote switch and not use the pins. It's 
starting to snow here soon, so this needs to be done.  Chris


On 11/16/2022 1:38 PM, Kent via RE-wrenches wrote:


As of the March 2022 manuals there are contradictory statements:

  * (+15, -16) 12V power supply for RSD transmitters: such as TIGO and
Midnite Rated for a maximum of 1.2W (100mA @12V)

and

  * TIGO Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 8K (Do not use the
built in 12V Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to Power the
Tigo Optimizer TX transmitter)

Why use Tigo as an example for the pins purpose in one location and 
then say don't use them do it in another?


Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar

On 11/16/2022 9:38 AM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches wrote:
All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was 
initially confused on during a Solark install I was involved with 
last year. Uncertain if the manual has changed but in the Solark 12k 
manual dated April 2, 2021 on page 23 it has a line saying-


Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use 
the built in 12v Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to power the 
Tigo Optimizer TX transmitter)


I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these details. I’ve not 
looked at any of their newer manuals to see if some of these notes 
have changed.


Enjoy your day, Nick



On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Hi Chris,

I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark 
suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS 
Transmitter. The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS 
transmitter to achieve rapid shut down.


Best,

Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Aloha Chris,

We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have
the transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no
issues to date.


Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please
excuse shortcuts and typos. 


Roland Shackelford
NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
President
Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
Mobile: _808-938-9239 _
www.renewablenergy.com 


On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
 wrote:



Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The
inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS
is the TS4F.  Tigo has me a little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the
transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they
supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I
told them that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that
would stop the battery charging when there is a loss of utility
power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to be the back up
loads panel. After about a week of calls and emails, I got an
email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I
just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says
not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know
how they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any
guidance, Chris Warfel





-- 
        Christopher Warfel

             ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
        401-466-8978



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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 

Hi Nick and List, that was my problem exactly. Chris

On 11/16/2022 12:38 PM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches wrote:
All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was initially 
confused on during a Solark install I was involved with last year. 
Uncertain if the manual has changed but in the Solark 12k manual dated 
April 2, 2021 on page 23 it has a line saying-


Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use 
the built in 12v Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to power the 
Tigo Optimizer TX transmitter)


I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these details. I’ve not 
looked at any of their newer manuals to see if some of these notes 
have changed.


Enjoy your day, Nick



On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Hi Chris,

I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark 
suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS 
Transmitter. The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS 
transmitter to achieve rapid shut down.


Best,

Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Aloha Chris,

We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have
the transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no
issues to date.


Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please
excuse shortcuts and typos. 


Roland Shackelford
NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
President
Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
Mobile: _808-938-9239 _
www.renewablenergy.com 


On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
 wrote:



Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The
inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is
the TS4F. Tigo has me a little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the transmitter
connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they supply.  They
told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service panel so
the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is
exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the
battery charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I
wanted the 120VAC source to be the back up loads panel. After
about a week of calls and emails, I got an email back saying to
use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed them a
screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how
they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any
guidance, Chris Warfel





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         ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
401-466-8978



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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Kent via RE-wrenches 

As of the March 2022 manuals there are contradictory statements:

 * (+15, -16) 12V power supply for RSD transmitters: such as TIGO and
   Midnite Rated for a maximum of 1.2W (100mA @12V)

and

 * TIGO Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 8K (Do not use the
   built in 12V Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to Power the Tigo
   Optimizer TX transmitter)

Why use Tigo as an example for the pins purpose in one location and then 
say don't use them do it in another?


Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar

On 11/16/2022 9:38 AM, Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches wrote:
All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was initially 
confused on during a Solark install I was involved with last year. 
Uncertain if the manual has changed but in the Solark 12k manual dated 
April 2, 2021 on page 23 it has a line saying-


Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use 
the built in 12v Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to power the 
Tigo Optimizer TX transmitter)


I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these details. I’ve not 
looked at any of their newer manuals to see if some of these notes 
have changed.


Enjoy your day, Nick



On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Hi Chris,

I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark 
suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS 
Transmitter. The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS 
transmitter to achieve rapid shut down.


Best,

Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Aloha Chris,

We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have
the transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no
issues to date.


Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please
excuse shortcuts and typos. 


Roland Shackelford
NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
President
Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
Mobile: _808-938-9239 _
www.renewablenergy.com 


On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches
 wrote:



Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The
inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is
the TS4F. Tigo has me a little bit walking in circles.

I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the transmitter
connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they supply.  They
told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service panel so
the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is
exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the
battery charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I
wanted the 120VAC source to be the back up loads panel. After
about a week of calls and emails, I got an email back saying to
use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed them a
screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not to do that.

At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how
they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any
guidance, Chris Warfel





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         ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
401-466-8978



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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Nick A Lucchese via RE-wrenches 
All, I believe what Chris is referring to is something I was initially confused 
on during a Solark install I was involved with last year. Uncertain if the 
manual has changed but in the Solark 12k manual dated April 2, 2021 on page 23 
it has a line saying-

Note: Tigo Optimizers are compatible with the Sol-Ark 12k (Do not use the built 
in 12v Power supply in the Sol-Ark user area to power the Tigo Optimizer TX 
transmitter)

I too had to confirm with Sol-Ark to clarify these details. I’ve not looked at 
any of their newer manuals to see if some of these notes have changed.

Enjoy your day, Nick



> On Nov 16, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark 
> suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS Transmitter. 
> The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS transmitter to achieve 
> rapid shut down. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Chris 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 
>  > wrote:
> Aloha Chris,
> 
> We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have the 
> transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no issues to date.
> 
>> Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse 
>> shortcuts and typos. 
>> 
> Roland Shackelford
> NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
> President 
> Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc. 
> Mobile:  808-938-9239 
> www.renewablenergy.com 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is 
>> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me 
>> a little bit walking in circles. 
>> 
>> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for 
>> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they ask 
>> for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which 
>> they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service 
>> panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is 
>> exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery charging 
>> when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC source to 
>> be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and emails, I got an 
>> email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed 
>> them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not to do that.
>> 
>> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they wired 
>> the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches 
Hi Chris,

I echo Ronald’s experience. I wasn’t aware of any memo from Sol Ark
suggesting pins 15 and 16 should not be used for the Tigo RSS Transmitter.
The 12K and 15K manuals both refrence a 12vdc RSS transmitter to achieve
rapid shut down.

Best,

Chris

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:21 AM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Aloha Chris,
>
> We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have the
> transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no issues to date.
>
> Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse
> shortcuts and typos.
>
>
> Roland Shackelford
> NABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLER
> President
> Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc.
> Mobile:  *808-938-9239 *
> www.renewablenergy.com
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
> a little bit walking in circles.
>
> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they
> ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
> which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
> service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them
> that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
> charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC
> source to be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and
> emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
> RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not
> to do that.
>
> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they
> wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
> 401-466-8978
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Roland - RES via RE-wrenches 
Aloha Chris,We have numerous Sol-Ark systems with Tigo TS4Fs where we have the transmitter wired to the 12v supply of the inverter, with no issues to date.Sent from a IPhone, with touch screen keys on the fly. Please excuse shortcuts and typos. Roland ShackelfordNABCEP CERTIFIED PV INSTALLERPresident Renewable Energy Services (RES), Inc. Mobile:  808-938-9239www.renewablenergy.comOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:33 AM, Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches  wrote:
  


  
  
Hi, We are doing our first system with these two
devices. The inverter is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo
product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me a little bit walking in
circles. 
  
I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output
  terminals for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the
  attached drawing which they ask for, which shows the transmitter
  connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker which they supply.  They told
  me to wire the 120VAC source to the main service panel so the
  array would shut down on loss of power. I told them that is
  exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
  charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted
  the 120VAC source to be the back up loads panel. After about a
  week of calls and emails, I got an email back saying to use the
  SolArk 12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot
  of the SolArk manual that says not to do that.
At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how
  they wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any
  guidance, Chris Warfel









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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Kirpal via RE-wrenches 
Chris,
Assuming there will be 48V batteries in the system - connect the
Tigo transmitter via a 48V to 12V power supply and come off of the battery
bussing.  If there are no batteries now, use the 120V-12V power supply
from the backed up loads panel - then when they get batteries that panel
will remain live even during power outage and allow panels to remain on
even with grid outage. You will need to install an additional rapid
shutdown switch in line with power to the transmitter if rapid shutdown is
required or desired..  If there are no batteries now, then solar can't stay
on anyway during power outages..
Sunny Regards,
Kirpal Khalsa
Oregon LRT#25
Oregon Solarworks LLC
www.oregonsolarworks.com
541-299-0402


On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter is
> SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo has me
> a little bit walking in circles.
>
> I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals for
> connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which they
> ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC breaker
> which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to the main
> service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I told them
> that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop the battery
> charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I wanted the 120VAC
> source to be the back up loads panel. After about a week of calls and
> emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 12VDC terminals for
> RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk manual that says not
> to do that.
>
> At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they
> wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel
>
>
>
>
>
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>  ENTECH Engineering, Inc.
> PO Box 871, Block Island, RI 02807
> 401-466-8978
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[RE-wrenches] SolArk and Tigo compatibility

2022-11-16 Thread Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches 
Hi, We are doing our first system with these two devices. The inverter 
is SolArk 12P (mutimode) and the Tigo product for RS is the TS4F.  Tigo 
has me a little bit walking in circles.


I told them that SolArk says not to use the 12VDC RS output terminals 
for connecting the transmitter.  I gave them the attached drawing which 
they ask for, which shows the transmitter connected to a 120VAC/12VDC 
breaker which they supply.  They told me to wire the 120VAC source to 
the main service panel so the array would shut down on loss of power. I 
told them that is exactly NOTwhat I wanted to happen as that would stop 
the battery charging when there is a loss of utility power. I said I 
wanted the 120VAC source to be the back up loads panel. After about a 
week of calls and emails, I got an email back saying to use the SolArk 
12VDC terminals for RS.  I just emailed them a screen shot of the SolArk 
manual that says not to do that.


At this point, I am asking anyone on the list to let me know how they 
wired the transmitter successfully. Thank you for any guidance, Chris Warfel






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