Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
I've got a PV array attached to my standing seam metal roof directly above my bed about 24" from my head when I'm sleeping and although we do hear some expansion/contraction noises it's not a problem. Every once in a while we'll hear a loud noise but I think that's more from my timber frame shifting/drying than the array on the roof. I'm sure others' experiences will vary. Thanks, Will On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:20 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar < offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: > If you do not hear a SS roof making noises, you better have it checked. > Installing solar on one is just a mistake if you live under it, in my > opinion. > > > > *Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar > "we go where powerlines don't" > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ <http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/> > e-mail offgridso...@sti.net > text 209 813 0060* > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:39:05 -0600, "Dana Orzel" > wrote: > > My house has a Corten standing seam roof & corrugated Corten exterior > walls. The roof & walls talk to us as they warm up & cool down. Till snow > cover comes & stays for the winter there is always minor sounds, esp. when > the sun pokes out from behind a cloud. > > Keeps us aware that conditions are changing. We definitely find it > informative. > > > > > > Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. > > *C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com > * > > Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 > > NABCEP # 051112-136 www.greatsolarworks.com > > "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" > > *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches *On > Behalf Of *Jeff Irish > *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 7:05 AM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof > > > > We've had several of these over the last two decades and they can be > annoying and difficult to remedy. I think the underlying home construction > is usually the cause. Either the structure has some weaknesses or > discontinuities as mentioned above, or sheathing was attached while the > rafters were still wet, or the sheathing was damp when the roofing went > on, etc. Then all the wood starts to gradually dry out. > > Our general solution is to go back, hopefully during a dry, > mid-temperature mid-humidity day and take off the modules, loosen all the > nuts and bolts and re-tighten the rack and install the array. In > some cases we have installed locknuts with teflon washers between L-feet > and rail to allow a little lateral movement. After doing all this rework, > we rarely get further callbacks. > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:03 PM Nick Soleil > wrote: > > I had a similar experience 13 years ago on a house that had an addition > built onto it. The array spanned between the original home and the > addition, and the structure would creak in the evening as the aluminum > racking and modules cooled. The creaking was a result of weaknesses in the > structure, but I fixed the issue by splitting the array where the two > structures met. It wasn't a very easy fix, but it did resolve the issue. > > > > Cordially, > > Nick Soleil > > *Enphase Energy* Senior Product Manager > > (707) 763-4784 x7267 // office > > (707) 321-2937 // cell > > *Powering What's Next*™* | *The Enphase Energy Management System > <https://enphase.com/en-us/products-and-services/envoy> > > NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 > > California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315 > -- > > *From:* RE-wrenches on behalf > of Ray Walters > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:20 PM > *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof > > > > *EXTERNAL EMAIL* - *Use caution when responding, clicking, and/or > downloading attachments.* > > > > > > Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? > > "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and > contraction of racking, modules, and roof". > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > > On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > > These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which > were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic > wire clip on site. > > > > This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening > according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm > quite baffled. >
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
If you do not hear a SS roof making noises, you better have it checked. Installing solar on one is just a mistake if you live under it, in my opinion. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [2] text 209 813 0060 On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:39:05 -0600, "Dana Orzel" wrote: My house has a Corten standing seam roof & corrugated Corten exterior walls. The roof & walls talk to us as they warm up & cool down. Till snow cover comes ">Keeps us aware that conditions are changing. We definitely find it informative. Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 NABCEP # 051112-136 www.greatsolarworks.com [3] "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" P Please consider the environment before printing this email. FROM: RE-wrenches ON BEHALF OF Jeff Irish SENT: Thursday, October 21, 2021 7:05 AM TO: RE-wrenches SUBJECT: Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof We've had several of these over the last two decades and they can be annoying and difficult to remedy. I think the underlying home construction is usually the cause. Either the structure has some weaknesses or discontinuities as mentioned above, or sheathing was attached while the rafters were still wet, or the sheathing was damp when the roofing went on, etc. Then all the wood starts to gradually dry out. Our general solution is to go back, hopefully during a dry, mid-temperature mid-humidity day and take off the modules, loosen all the nuts and bolts and re-tighten the rack and install the array. In some cases we have installed locknuts with teflon washers between L-feet and rail to allow a little lateral movement. After doing all this rework, we rarely get further callbacks. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:03 PM Nick Soleil wrote: I had a similar experience 13 years ago on a house that had an addition built onto it. The array spanned between the original home and the addition, and the structure would creak in the evening as the aluminum racking and modules cooled. The creaking was a result of weaknesses in the structure, but I fixed the issue by splitting the array where the two structures met. It wasn't a very easy fix, but it did resolve the issue. Cordially, Nick Soleil ENPHASE ENERGY Senior Product Manager (707) 763-4784 x7267 // office (707) 321-2937 // cell POWERING WHAT'S NEXT(tm)_ | _The Enphase Energy Management System [5] NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315 - FROM: RE-wrenches on behalf of Ray Walters SENT: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:20 PM TO: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org [8] SUBJECT: Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION WHEN RESPONDING, CLICKING, AND/OR DOWNLOADING ATTACHMENTS. Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and contraction of racking, modules, and roof". Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic wire clip on site. This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm quite baffled. She thought she was being burglarized the first night. Then she hired a pest/vermin company thinking it was racoons. It didn't take long to put two and two together and realize it was coming from the solar array. But the original contractor couldn't figure it out. Pic attached of what's there now. Jaso On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:55 PM Nick A Lucchese wrote: Hello Jason, I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I observed "tinging" sounds while working on it over a few days. It also employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it's grasp but after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90's and they're the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client's house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did not notice it the few times I was there working on other details on slightly cooler days. However, if it continued to occur the way I had heard it I could see how
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
My house has a Corten standing seam roof & corrugated Corten exterior walls. The roof & walls talk to us as they warm up & cool down. Till snow cover comes & stays for the winter there is always minor sounds, esp. when the sun pokes out from behind a cloud. Keeps us aware that conditions are changing. We definitely find it informative. Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 NABCEP # 051112-136<http://www.greatsolarworks.com> www.greatsolarworks.com "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: RE-wrenches On Behalf Of Jeff Irish Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 7:05 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof We've had several of these over the last two decades and they can be annoying and difficult to remedy. I think the underlying home construction is usually the cause. Either the structure has some weaknesses or discontinuities as mentioned above, or sheathing was attached while the rafters were still wet, or the sheathing was damp when the roofing went on, etc. Then all the wood starts to gradually dry out. Our general solution is to go back, hopefully during a dry, mid-temperature mid-humidity day and take off the modules, loosen all the nuts and bolts and re-tighten the rack and install the array. In some cases we have installed locknuts with teflon washers between L-feet and rail to allow a little lateral movement. After doing all this rework, we rarely get further callbacks. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:03 PM Nick Soleil mailto:nsol...@enphaseenergy.com> > wrote: I had a similar experience 13 years ago on a house that had an addition built onto it. The array spanned between the original home and the addition, and the structure would creak in the evening as the aluminum racking and modules cooled. The creaking was a result of weaknesses in the structure, but I fixed the issue by splitting the array where the two structures met. It wasn't a very easy fix, but it did resolve the issue. Cordially, Nick Soleil Enphase Energy Senior Product Manager (707) 763-4784 x7267 // office (707) 321-2937 // cell <https://enphase.com/en-us/products-and-services/envoy> Powering What’s Next™ | The Enphase Energy Management System NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315 _ From: RE-wrenches mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> > on behalf of Ray Walters mailto:r...@solarray.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when responding, clicking, and/or downloading attachments. Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and contraction of racking, modules, and roof". Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic wire clip on site. This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm quite baffled. She thought she was being burglarized the first night. Then she hired a pest/vermin company thinking it was racoons. It didn't take long to put two and two together and realize it was coming from the solar array. But the original contractor couldn't figure it out. Pic attached of what's there now. Jaso On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:55 PM Nick A Lucchese mailto:luccheseso...@me.com> > wrote: Hello Jason, I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I observed “tinging” sounds while working on it over a few days. It also employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it’s grasp but after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90’s and they’re the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client’s house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did not n
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
We've had several of these over the last two decades and they can be annoying and difficult to remedy. I think the underlying home construction is usually the cause. Either the structure has some weaknesses or discontinuities as mentioned above, or sheathing was attached while the rafters were still wet, or the sheathing was damp when the roofing went on, etc. Then all the wood starts to gradually dry out. Our general solution is to go back, hopefully during a dry, mid-temperature mid-humidity day and take off the modules, loosen all the nuts and bolts and re-tighten the rack and install the array. In some cases we have installed locknuts with teflon washers between L-feet and rail to allow a little lateral movement. After doing all this rework, we rarely get further callbacks. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:03 PM Nick Soleil wrote: > I had a similar experience 13 years ago on a house that had an addition > built onto it. The array spanned between the original home and the > addition, and the structure would creak in the evening as the aluminum > racking and modules cooled. The creaking was a result of weaknesses in the > structure, but I fixed the issue by splitting the array where the two > structures met. It wasn't a very easy fix, but it did resolve the issue. > > Cordially, > > Nick Soleil > > Enphase Energy Senior Product Manager > > (707) 763-4784 x7267 // office > > (707) 321-2937 // cell > > *Powering What’s Next*™* | *The Enphase Energy Management System > <https://enphase.com/en-us/products-and-services/envoy> > > NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 > > California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315 > > -- > *From:* RE-wrenches on behalf > of Ray Walters > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:20 PM > *To:* re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof > > *EXTERNAL EMAIL* - *Use caution when responding, clicking, and/or > downloading attachments.* > > > > > > Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? > > "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and > contraction of racking, modules, and roof". > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > > These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which > were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic > wire clip on site. > > This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening > according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm > quite baffled. > > She thought she was being burglarized the first night. Then she hired a > pest/vermin company thinking it was racoons. It didn't take long to put two > and two together and realize it was coming from the solar array. But the > original contractor couldn't figure it out. > > Pic attached of what's there now. > > Jaso > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:55 PM Nick A Lucchese > wrote: > > Hello Jason, > > I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I > observed “tinging” sounds while working on it over a few days. It also > employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the > standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt > and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I > thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the > frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it’s grasp but > after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small > expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90’s and > they’re the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client’s > house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did > not notice it the few times I was there working on other details on > slightly cooler days. However, if it continued to occur the way I had heard > it I could see how it would get the attention of someone if it were a > habitable structure. > > Nick A Lucchese > > > > On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Jason Szumlanski < > ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > > > > Someone reached out to me who had a PV system installed two years ago by > another contractor on her shingle roof. Almost immediately it started > having loud popping noises intermittently, but pretty consistently day to > day. The homeowner thought it sounded like expansion and contraction. That > made sense, so the original contractor came back multiple times to tighten > things up. The problem never went away and lasted about 6 months until it
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
I had a similar experience 13 years ago on a house that had an addition built onto it. The array spanned between the original home and the addition, and the structure would creak in the evening as the aluminum racking and modules cooled. The creaking was a result of weaknesses in the structure, but I fixed the issue by splitting the array where the two structures met. It wasn't a very easy fix, but it did resolve the issue. Cordially, Nick Soleil Enphase Energy Senior Product Manager (707) 763-4784 x7267 // office (707) 321-2937 // cell Powering What’s Next™ | The Enphase Energy Management System<https://enphase.com/en-us/products-and-services/envoy> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer #03262011-300 California C10 Licensed Electrician #986315 From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Ray Walters Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:20 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when responding, clicking, and/or downloading attachments. Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and contraction of racking, modules, and roof". Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic wire clip on site. This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm quite baffled. She thought she was being burglarized the first night. Then she hired a pest/vermin company thinking it was racoons. It didn't take long to put two and two together and realize it was coming from the solar array. But the original contractor couldn't figure it out. Pic attached of what's there now. Jaso On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:55 PM Nick A Lucchese mailto:luccheseso...@me.com>> wrote: Hello Jason, I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I observed “tinging” sounds while working on it over a few days. It also employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it’s grasp but after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90’s and they’re the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client’s house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did not notice it the few times I was there working on other details on slightly cooler days. However, if it continued to occur the way I had heard it I could see how it would get the attention of someone if it were a habitable structure. Nick A Lucchese > On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Jason Szumlanski > mailto:ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com>> > wrote: > > Someone reached out to me who had a PV system installed two years ago by > another contractor on her shingle roof. Almost immediately it started having > loud popping noises intermittently, but pretty consistently day to day. The > homeowner thought it sounded like expansion and contraction. That made sense, > so the original contractor came back multiple times to tighten things up. The > problem never went away and lasted about 6 months until it was driving her > crazy and she had the panels only removed. The sounds stopped. Legal > proceedings ensued. Everything was dropped and she now has rails up, panels > in garage, and no clamps. > > The panels have been in her garage for 18 months. I went to inspect today. > She has Quickmount LMount flashings, Ironridge XR100 rails and had UFOs. The > UFOs were tightened so much that they were tearing the t-bolts out of the top > channel of the rail. I don't know if that was from the original installation > or after they came back to try to resolve the issue. The UFOs had also dug in > pretty deeply to the top of the module frames. None of the glass was broken. > > I could not find much evidence of module frames slipping on the rails and > causing marks. The flashings and L-feet are all properly installed in trusses > at 48 or 24-in centers. The square bolts securing the L-feet to rails are all > tight and show no evidence of slippage. The attic looks great. 5/8 ply over > manufactured trusses (southern pine). It's a Gable roof with about 20 feet > eave to ridge. Again, everything looks great in the attic. > > There are two rows of panel
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
Is this something else we need to put into our contracts? "Not responsible for sounds due to normal thermal expansion and contraction of racking, modules, and roof". Ray Walters Remote Solar On 10/20/2021 2:58 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: These were Black framed Axitec panels. The clowns used zip ties (which were all over the roof, brittle and broken). There wasn't a single metallic wire clip on site. This went on for 6 months, with no discernable improvement or worsening according to the client. It was every day and night in every climate. I'm quite baffled. She thought she was being burglarized the first night. Then she hired a pest/vermin company thinking it was racoons. It didn't take long to put two and two together and realize it was coming from the solar array. But the original contractor couldn't figure it out. Pic attached of what's there now. Jaso On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:55 PM Nick A Lucchese wrote: Hello Jason, I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I observed “tinging” sounds while working on it over a few days. It also employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it’s grasp but after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90’s and they’re the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client’s house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did not notice it the few times I was there working on other details on slightly cooler days. However, if it continued to occur the way I had heard it I could see how it would get the attention of someone if it were a habitable structure. Nick A Lucchese > On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > > Someone reached out to me who had a PV system installed two years ago by another contractor on her shingle roof. Almost immediately it started having loud popping noises intermittently, but pretty consistently day to day. The homeowner thought it sounded like expansion and contraction. That made sense, so the original contractor came back multiple times to tighten things up. The problem never went away and lasted about 6 months until it was driving her crazy and she had the panels only removed. The sounds stopped. Legal proceedings ensued. Everything was dropped and she now has rails up, panels in garage, and no clamps. > > The panels have been in her garage for 18 months. I went to inspect today. She has Quickmount LMount flashings, Ironridge XR100 rails and had UFOs. The UFOs were tightened so much that they were tearing the t-bolts out of the top channel of the rail. I don't know if that was from the original installation or after they came back to try to resolve the issue. The UFOs had also dug in pretty deeply to the top of the module frames. None of the glass was broken. > > I could not find much evidence of module frames slipping on the rails and causing marks. The flashings and L-feet are all properly installed in trusses at 48 or 24-in centers. The square bolts securing the L-feet to rails are all tight and show no evidence of slippage. The attic looks great. 5/8 ply over manufactured trusses (southern pine). It's a Gable roof with about 20 feet eave to ridge. Again, everything looks great in the attic. > > There are two rows of panels. I thought maybe the two rows were rubbing on each other. But I could not find any evidence on the short sides of the modules that would suggest this was the problem. > > Has anyone seen this issue before? I'm thinking about putting a few test panels back up with standard mid clamps rather than UFOs just to see if that changes anything. > > Jason Szumlanski > Florida Solar Design Group > ___ > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here:http://re-wrenches.org List Address:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
Hello Jason, I installed a 36 module array on a standing seam metal roof in June that I observed “tinging” sounds while working on it over a few days. It also employed the Ironridge UFO system but differs in that mine connected to the standing seams with L-feet paired with S-5! clamps and every single bolt and set screw was hand tightened and torqued to specifications. At first I thought a couple of my metal Acme cable clips holding the PV wire under the frames were popping off or letting down a conductor from it’s grasp but after looking into it repeatedly I determined it was likely just small expansion/contraction events. Temperatures were in the upper 90’s and they’re the black REC 365 modules. The building sits away from the client’s house so if it were still occurring likely know one would notice but I did not notice it the few times I was there working on other details on slightly cooler days. However, if it continued to occur the way I had heard it I could see how it would get the attention of someone if it were a habitable structure. Nick A Lucchese > On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Jason Szumlanski > wrote: > > Someone reached out to me who had a PV system installed two years ago by > another contractor on her shingle roof. Almost immediately it started having > loud popping noises intermittently, but pretty consistently day to day. The > homeowner thought it sounded like expansion and contraction. That made sense, > so the original contractor came back multiple times to tighten things up. The > problem never went away and lasted about 6 months until it was driving her > crazy and she had the panels only removed. The sounds stopped. Legal > proceedings ensued. Everything was dropped and she now has rails up, panels > in garage, and no clamps. > > The panels have been in her garage for 18 months. I went to inspect today. > She has Quickmount LMount flashings, Ironridge XR100 rails and had UFOs. The > UFOs were tightened so much that they were tearing the t-bolts out of the top > channel of the rail. I don't know if that was from the original installation > or after they came back to try to resolve the issue. The UFOs had also dug in > pretty deeply to the top of the module frames. None of the glass was broken. > > I could not find much evidence of module frames slipping on the rails and > causing marks. The flashings and L-feet are all properly installed in trusses > at 48 or 24-in centers. The square bolts securing the L-feet to rails are all > tight and show no evidence of slippage. The attic looks great. 5/8 ply over > manufactured trusses (southern pine). It's a Gable roof with about 20 feet > eave to ridge. Again, everything looks great in the attic. > > There are two rows of panels. I thought maybe the two rows were rubbing on > each other. But I could not find any evidence on the short sides of the > modules that would suggest this was the problem. > > Has anyone seen this issue before? I'm thinking about putting a few test > panels back up with standard mid clamps rather than UFOs just to see if that > changes anything. > > Jason Szumlanski > Florida Solar Design Group > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Strange noises from the roof
Jason, We had a similar situation with a SnapNRack UR-40 system. Homeowner said everyone once and a while they would hear a sound like "an acorn hitting the roof". It was pretty sporadic, but at least a few times a day. Install happened in late fall when there can be decent temperature changes throughout the day. Also, it was a cathedral ceiling below the install, so it's possible the sound was amplified by that (rather than being dampened by an attic). All racking was installed as per SNR's specifications with gaps in the rail splices for expansion etc. Short edge of the panels were spaced so that they didn't touch each other. Talked with SNR and they didn't have any ideas. The install happened directly after some other work was completed on that roof section (cellulose insulation was blown in, new shingles, some new decking in places, drywall, etc) so couldn't be sure in the end if it was related to us or somehow related to any of the other work that had happened (although they didn't notice it until the panels went up). The engineer said maybe there was just some settling in the house due to all the work. Doesn't sound like it was nearly as extreme as your situation though, and we never figured out exactly what it was. Adam Adam Katzman Autonomous Energies PO Box 1245 Kingston, NY 12402 www.autonomousenergies.com (518) 567-1468 On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:04 PM Jason Szumlanski < ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > Someone reached out to me who had a PV system installed two years ago by > another contractor on her shingle roof. Almost immediately it started > having loud popping noises intermittently, but pretty consistently day to > day. The homeowner thought it sounded like expansion and contraction. That > made sense, so the original contractor came back multiple times to tighten > things up. The problem never went away and lasted about 6 months until it > was driving her crazy and she had the panels only removed. The sounds > stopped. Legal proceedings ensued. Everything was dropped and she now has > rails up, panels in garage, and no clamps. > > The panels have been in her garage for 18 months. I went to inspect today. > She has Quickmount LMount flashings, Ironridge XR100 rails and had UFOs. > The UFOs were tightened so much that they were tearing the t-bolts out of > the top channel of the rail. I don't know if that was from the original > installation or after they came back to try to resolve the issue. The UFOs > had also dug in pretty deeply to the top of the module frames. None of the > glass was broken. > > I could not find much evidence of module frames slipping on the rails and > causing marks. The flashings and L-feet are all properly installed in > trusses at 48 or 24-in centers. The square bolts securing the L-feet to > rails are all tight and show no evidence of slippage. The attic looks > great. 5/8 ply over manufactured trusses (southern pine). It's a Gable roof > with about 20 feet eave to ridge. Again, everything looks great in the > attic. > > There are two rows of panels. I thought maybe the two rows were rubbing on > each other. But I could not find any evidence on the short sides of the > modules that would suggest this was the problem. > > Has anyone seen this issue before? I'm thinking about putting a few test > panels back up with standard mid clamps rather than UFOs just to see if > that changes anything. > > Jason Szumlanski > Florida Solar Design Group > ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
