Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-07-08 Thread Lones Tuss
Hello All
The VFX/FX inverters does make use of the X240 transformer.
The transformer itself could act as a step up, a step down, or a load balancing 
transformer.
Neither the FXR or the Radian inverters require the transformer as a load 
balancing transformer.
The transformer can still be used in its step up or step down configurations.
The FXRA does not use the transformer for load balancing therefore each 
inverter must be sized to handle the loads 
and any associated surges as required by the ac loads on that leg.
What was lost was the ability of the inverter systems to "borrow" from the 
lessor used ac leg.

What was gained. 
The FXRA can sell back with up to 10 inverters compared to two of the GVFX .
The FXRA can have up to 9 inverters in a 3 phase system compared to 3 with the 
VFX.
The FXRA has seven modes of operation allowing on grid or off grid operation.
SA capabilities are also available.

The question "How much wattage could be supplied by the Radian on a single AC 
leg" was also asked.
I put 6000 watts on L1 leaving no loads connected to the L2 phase.
I will add this is not recommended practice. 
The loads should be balanced at the ac panel as closely as possible.
But real life conditions are not always ideal.
I hope this helps to clarify.
Take Care All









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The 8kw radian still has to have balance! You can't expect it to supply 8kw  @ 
120vac. It can supply 8kw  @ 240 vac.


> Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt inverters have a maximum on the 
> 120-volt power it can supply?  for example, can it supply 70% of the 4 
> kW on 120 -volts?
> This example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt?
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> The Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its different but the 
>> way the computer works it makes the same from the load side of things 
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: frenergy 
>> Date: 5/29/18 5:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
>> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Outback FP2 with Xfrmr shifts power to "other" leg if 
>> that leg needs more than the one FX can provide, right?  Say, you 
>> need 5.5 KW on leg 1, the Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 
>> (inverter) to support that 5.5KW load on leg 1.
>>
>> My question (assuming above is accurate) is does the 8048 Radian do 
>> the same?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-31 Thread James Jefferson Jarvis

On 5/31/2018 7:09 AM, Drake wrote:
That is interesting about Magnum: Tech support told me that the 4024PAE  
was two separate 2000 W inverters. We had problems with a microwave 
shutting the system down.


That's interesting. I lived off grid for 7 years with a single 
MS4024PAE. I had one overload shut down in all that time. Microwave 
(1200 watts @ 120) + well pump (1700 watts @ 240) + vacuum cleaner (1400 
watts @ 120) + house loads (200 watts @ 120) + I'm guessing fridge 
compressor kicked in (600 watts? @ 120). Never had any issues with air 
compressors, shop tools, 240 volt MIG welder, or anything else.



Do you find you have good reliability with Magnum products?


I have never had a failure with any MS inverter or ARC or AGS that I've 
installed. I had one BMK fail after 5 years, but that was during a 
lightning storm.


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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-31 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
Magnum is a no go for me for several reasons. First one is until they have
a decent web based system data view/configure I can't help my remote
clients as I do with Outback and Schneider.

The second is they did not have a charge controller until 3 or so years ago:(

The 8 KW radian and its mppts or an XW+ and the hi voltage mppt just works
too well. XW+ can be configured for 6.8 KW @ 120vac if needed. I am going
to use alot of skyboxes if they release it in November!

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> Hi all i have great respect for Magnum, it seems to have greater surge
> capacity, and i have 120 volt draws greater thsn 2500 watts on one leg.  I
> never had a to much load one one leg problem. With Magnum, so please give
> more information
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018, 7:09 AM Drake 
> wrote:
>
>> That is interesting about Magnum: Tech support
>> told me that the 4024PAE  was two separate 2000 W
>> inverters. We had problems with a microwave shutting the system down.
>>
>> Do you find you have good reliability with Magnum products?
>>
>> Drake
>>
>>
>> At 03:53 PM 5/30/2018, you wrote:
>> >HI Dave and everyone, Its interesting because
>> >there is a great deal of difference between
>> >OEM’s. Outback says 4kw at 120v for 8kw
>> >radian. ( tech support) Magnum says 27 amps at
>> >120v, 16.7 amps at 240 for MS4024PAE ( from the
>> >manual) Schneider  says 4200 watts at 120v on
>> >XW-6848 ( from the manual) Also I know that the
>> >Magnum allows you to charge with just 120v and I
>> >think the XW is the same, OB you have to have
>> >240v. Cheers jay > On May 30, 2018, at 7:52 AM,
>> >Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
>> > wrote: > > The 8kw radian
>> >still has to have balance! You can't expect it
>> >to supply > 8kw  @ 120vac. It can supply 8kw  @
>> >240 vac. > > >> Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt
>> >inverters have a maximum on the 120-volt >>
>> >power it can supply?  for example, can it supply
>> >70% of the 4 kW on 120 >> -volts? >> This
>> >example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt? >> >> On
>> >Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01 >>
>> > >> wrote: >> >>> The
>> >Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its
>> >different but the way >>> the >>> computer works
>> >it makes the same from the load side of
>> >things >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my
>> >Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>>
>> > Original message  >>> From:
>> >frenergy  >>> Date: 5/29/18
>> >5:51 PM (GMT-10:00) >>> To:
>> >re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> Subject:
>> >[RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job? >>> >>> Hey
>> >folks, >>> >>>Outback FP2 with Xfrmr
>> >shifts power to "other" leg if that >>> leg
>> >needs more than the one FX can provide,
>> >right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW >>> on leg 1, the
>> >Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter)
>> >to >>> support that 5.5KW load on leg 1. >>> >>>
>> >My question (assuming above is accurate) is does
>> >the 8048 Radian do the >>> same? >>> >>>
>> >Thanks, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> Feather River Solar
>> >Electric >>> Bill Battagin, Owner >>> 4291
>> >Nelson St. >>> Taylorsville, CA 95983 >>>
>> >530.284.7849 >>> CA Lic 874049 >>>
>> >www.frenergy.net >>> >>> >>> ---
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-31 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi all i have great respect for Magnum, it seems to have greater surge
capacity, and i have 120 volt draws greater thsn 2500 watts on one leg.  I
never had a to much load one one leg problem. With Magnum, so please give
more information

On Thu, May 31, 2018, 7:09 AM Drake 
wrote:

> That is interesting about Magnum: Tech support
> told me that the 4024PAE  was two separate 2000 W
> inverters. We had problems with a microwave shutting the system down.
>
> Do you find you have good reliability with Magnum products?
>
> Drake
>
>
> At 03:53 PM 5/30/2018, you wrote:
> >HI Dave and everyone, Its interesting because
> >there is a great deal of difference between
> >OEM’s. Outback says 4kw at 120v for 8kw
> >radian. ( tech support) Magnum says 27 amps at
> >120v, 16.7 amps at 240 for MS4024PAE ( from the
> >manual) Schneider  says 4200 watts at 120v on
> >XW-6848 ( from the manual) Also I know that the
> >Magnum allows you to charge with just 120v and I
> >think the XW is the same, OB you have to have
> >240v. Cheers jay > On May 30, 2018, at 7:52 AM,
> >Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> > wrote: > > The 8kw radian
> >still has to have balance! You can't expect it
> >to supply > 8kw  @ 120vac. It can supply 8kw  @
> >240 vac. > > >> Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt
> >inverters have a maximum on the 120-volt >>
> >power it can supply?  for example, can it supply
> >70% of the 4 kW on 120 >> -volts? >> This
> >example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt? >> >> On
> >Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01 >>
> > >> wrote: >> >>> The
> >Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its
> >different but the way >>> the >>> computer works
> >it makes the same from the load side of
> >things >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my
> >Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>>
> > Original message  >>> From:
> >frenergy  >>> Date: 5/29/18
> >5:51 PM (GMT-10:00) >>> To:
> >re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> Subject:
> >[RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job? >>> >>> Hey
> >folks, >>> >>>Outback FP2 with Xfrmr
> >shifts power to "other" leg if that >>> leg
> >needs more than the one FX can provide,
> >right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW >>> on leg 1, the
> >Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter)
> >to >>> support that 5.5KW load on leg 1. >>> >>>
> >My question (assuming above is accurate) is does
> >the 8048 Radian do the >>> same? >>> >>>
> >Thanks, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> Feather River Solar
> >Electric >>> Bill Battagin, Owner >>> 4291
> >Nelson St. >>> Taylorsville, CA 95983 >>>
> >530.284.7849 >>> CA Lic 874049 >>>
> >www.frenergy.net >>> >>> >>> ---
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-31 Thread Drake
That is interesting about Magnum: Tech support 
told me that the 4024PAE  was two separate 2000 W 
inverters. We had problems with a microwave shutting the system down.


Do you find you have good reliability with Magnum products?

Drake


At 03:53 PM 5/30/2018, you wrote:
HI Dave and everyone, Its interesting because 
there is a great deal of difference between 
OEM’s. Outback says 4kw at 120v for 8kw 
radian. ( tech support) Magnum says 27 amps at 
120v, 16.7 amps at 240 for MS4024PAE ( from the 
manual) Schneider  says 4200 watts at 120v on 
XW-6848 ( from the manual) Also I know that the 
Magnum allows you to charge with just 120v and I 
think the XW is the same, OB you have to have 
240v. Cheers jay > On May 30, 2018, at 7:52 AM, 
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
 wrote: > > The 8kw radian 
still has to have balance! You can't expect it 
to supply > 8kw  @ 120vac. It can supply 8kw  @ 
240 vac. > > >> Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt 
inverters have a maximum on the 120-volt >> 
power it can supply?  for example, can it supply 
70% of the 4 kW on 120 >> -volts? >> This 
example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt? >> >> On 
Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01 >> 
 >> wrote: >> >>> The 
Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its 
different but the way >>> the >>> computer works 
it makes the same from the load side of 
things >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my 
Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> >>> >>> 
 Original message  >>> From: 
frenergy  >>> Date: 5/29/18 
5:51 PM (GMT-10:00) >>> To: 
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> Subject: 
[RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job? >>> >>> Hey 
folks, >>> >>>Outback FP2 with Xfrmr 
shifts power to "other" leg if that >>> leg 
needs more than the one FX can provide, 
right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW >>> on leg 1, the 
Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter) 
to >>> support that 5.5KW load on leg 1. >>> >>> 
My question (assuming above is accurate) is does 
the 8048 Radian do the >>> same? >>> >>> 
Thanks, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> Feather River Solar 
Electric >>> Bill Battagin, Owner >>> 4291 
Nelson St. >>> Taylorsville, CA 95983 >>> 
530.284.7849 >>> CA Lic 874049 >>> 
www.frenergy.net >>> >>> >>> --- 
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-30 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
The 8kw radian still has to have balance! You can't expect it to supply
8kw  @ 120vac. It can supply 8kw  @ 240 vac.


> Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt inverters have a maximum on the 120-volt
> power it can supply?  for example, can it supply 70% of the 4 kW on 120
> -volts?
> This example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt?
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01
> 
> wrote:
>
>> The Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its different but the way
>> the
>> computer works it makes the same from the load side of things
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: frenergy 
>> Date: 5/29/18 5:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
>> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Outback FP2 with Xfrmr shifts power to "other" leg if that
>> leg needs more than the one FX can provide, right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW
>> on leg 1, the Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter) to
>> support that 5.5KW load on leg 1.
>>
>> My question (assuming above is accurate) is does the 8048 Radian do the
>> same?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Feather River Solar Electric
>> Bill Battagin, Owner
>> 4291 Nelson St.
>> Taylorsville, CA 95983
>> 530.284.7849
>> CA Lic 874049
>> www.frenergy.net
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-30 Thread Darryl Thayer
Does each of the 4 kW 240 volt inverters have a maximum on the 120-volt
power it can supply?  for example, can it supply 70% of the 4 kW on 120
-volts?
This example would leave 5.6 kW of 120-volt?

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:09 PM, jerrysgarage01 
wrote:

> The Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its different but the way the
> computer works it makes the same from the load side of things
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: frenergy 
> Date: 5/29/18 5:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
> To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Outback FP2 with Xfrmr shifts power to "other" leg if that
> leg needs more than the one FX can provide, right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW
> on leg 1, the Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter) to
> support that 5.5KW load on leg 1.
>
> My question (assuming above is accurate) is does the 8048 Radian do the
> same?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> Feather River Solar Electric
> Bill Battagin, Owner
> 4291 Nelson St.
> Taylorsville, CA 95983
> 530.284.7849
> CA Lic 874049
> www.frenergy.net
>
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job?

2018-05-29 Thread jerrysgarage01


The Radian has 2, 4k, 240 volt inverters, so its different but the way the 
computer works it makes the same from the load side of thingsJerry


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 Original message 
From: frenergy  
Date: 5/29/18  5:51 PM  (GMT-10:00) 
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org 
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Xfmr's job? 

Hey folks,

             Outback FP2 with Xfrmr shifts power to "other" leg if that 
leg needs more than the one FX can provide, right?  Say, you need 5.5 KW 
on leg 1, the Xfrmr pulls some power from the leg 2 (inverter) to 
support that 5.5KW load on leg 1.

My question (assuming above is accurate) is does the 8048 Radian do the 
same?

Thanks,

Bill

Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
www.frenergy.net


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