[recoznet2] [Fwd: LL:DDV: URGENT ACTION!! FRIDAY 24/3]
Original Message Subject: LL:DDV: URGENT ACTION!! FRIDAY 24/3 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:08:21 +1100 From: Pauline Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URGENT URGENT URGENT (Please urgently email this to your networks) National Coalition Against Unfair Sentencing a coalition of groups against mandatory sentencing is in desperate and urgent need of people for a Melbourne action Friday morning The State and Cth Attorney Generals are meeting at the Old Treasury building and we are going to get an action together for outside. The details are: * wear black * bring grocery items (eg. textas, cordial, biscuits...like the ones that landed kids in jail) ...will be provided if you can't bring * posters will be provided but feel free to BYO * We are looking at an overall best shift of 8.30 -11am or if that can't be done either 8.30 - 9.30 or 9.30-11am * Where: front steps of Old Treasury Building (Spring st, top of Collins St ...the building with the gold on it) At such short notice we are desperate for support Can you help out or do you know any one who can...email this to your networks? If you can make it pls call Pauline 94111306 or 04177 41538 if you can Cheers and thanks Pauline Spencer, Fitzroy Legal Service LL.VC -- Leftlink - Australia's Broad Left Mailing List mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alexia.net.au/~www/mhutton/index.html Sponsored by Melbourne's New International Bookshop Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=subscribe%20leftlink Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20leftlink -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Re: The Courier-Mail: Prisons bursting with fine dodgers
If you had bothered to check how many of these 'criminals' are Indigenous and how totally unfair and unjust these types of laws are, and how successive governments are creating unfair and unjust (to Indigenous peoples) laws, then there seems to be to be a great deal of relevance. Highlighting injustice which targets - either through lack of forethought or just plain ignorance - Indigenous peoples seems to be to be a method of informing people of Indigenous issues. Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 Haymarket NSW 1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: Indigenous Peoples Congress <" congress"@pacific.net.au> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2000 10:15 P.M. Subject: [recoznet2] Re: The Courier-Mail: Prisons bursting with fine dodgers > I.P.C. REPEAT, What relevance has these items > > to the contentious issue of Reconciliation? > > I.P.C. > --- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Re: ABC News: Discrimination committee hears from Aboriginal activists
What is the irrelevance of them?? Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 Haymarket NSW 1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: Indigenous Peoples Congress <" congress"@pacific.net.au> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: news-clip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2000 2:20 A.M. Subject: [recoznet2] Re: ABC News: Discrimination committee hears from Aboriginal activists > What is the relevence of these items > to the contentious issue of Reconciliation? > I.P.C. > --- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Answer to your concerns
Good for you Trudy Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 Haymarket NSW 1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 20 March 2000 1:44 P.M. Subject: [recoznet2] Answer to your concerns > I will try to address as many issues that have been brought up as > possible. > > First of all, when Bruce was going to leave the list in limbo, there was > a yawning silence from all members. Some spoke up and wanted to keep it > going but noone except Paul and me stepped in to keep it going. Paul is > still in England so I am 'it'. > > Paul and I worked out the rules because we were going to be the list > owners. I remember there was no 'democratic' vote on removals when Bruce > had the list either. > > The list has been in existence for over a year now and, until now, noone > has had anything to say about the rules. > > I'm sorry if I didn't understand that some of the members on this list > subscribe to situational ethics. We can ask people like Karen to have > respect and empathy for Aboriginal Australians but we are not bound by > those rules of behaviour on this list if we don't feel like it? We > believe in consideration and justice only for those we approve of? > Sounds like something Howard would do. > > I have tried to explain why Laurie was removed but noone is listening. I > contacted Laurie off-list because 1) I don't believe in public > embarrassment, 2) I could see where it was likely to go in light of > Laurie's intemperate language in the past 3) I was hoping to head off a > brawl on the list, 4) I DID NOT INTEND TO REMOVE LAURIE FROM THE LIST > FOR WHAT HE HAD SAID. I'm sorry to shout but I want that to be clear. > > What happened is that Laurie set himself above everyone else and decided > that the rules did not apply to him. He suggested I'd better get my > unsub finger ready because he intended to personally attack anyone he > felt deserved it on the list or off. I didn't feel he left me much of a > choice then. He can attack anyone he likes off the list but not on it. > > Someone had a problem with what constituted a personal attack. It's very > simple. Attacking views is fine, attacking the person as if they were > the views, is not. Something along the lines of 'You are behaving > stupidly' is fine, 'you are stupid' is not. Unless, of course, you want > to ensure that the person concerned clams up and doesn't listen to or > consider anything you say and at no time in the future will be ready to > change their mind. > That will help Aboriginal Australians a lot, right? > > We will run into more Karens in the future and it is better that we > learn to deal with it without letting people who hold those view > dehumanise us. I suggest that we learn to hone our skills in promoting > and defending the rights of our Aboriginal brothers and sisters instead > of attacking the people holding those views. Yes, they are racist views. > I have no trouble with that word and have used it many times myself. But > if we want to open the door to enlightenment, now or in the future for > people like that, then a personal attack will have the opposite effect. > People under attack will defend their position and be in no mood to > listen. > > Justice is defending the rights of those you don't like as well as > insisting on that behaviour from those you do. > > I must say I am a little amazed at how some of you seem to be deciding > that I can keep on doing 'my wonderful job' while you decide who stays > and goes without consulting me. I'm afraid it's not on. > > Laurie can come back any time he decides that the rules apply to him > just like everyone else. Anyone who wants him to come back and be the > only one exempt from the rules is on the wrong list. > > Now let's get back to what we are here for and stop wasting any more > time on disrupters. > > Trudy > > > -- > _ > Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti > - > --- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ >
Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks
I believe all this hoo haa about taking people off the list is really an insult to Trudy. The rules are there. I read them when I first joined. And while I have every sympathy for Laurie's stance I also believe that when one joins ANYTHING then one agrees to abide by the rules. This situation has been there from the beginning and no-one has decried it before. However, now that one person who is admired (also admired by myself) is deleted from the list then some are saying 'maybe we should change the rules'. I suppose I say 'grow up' and leave Trudy to make decisions, which I know from personal experience of her, she would find extremely hard to enforce. Don Don Clark President Indigenous Social Justice Association PO Box K555 Haymarket NSW 1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: Sandy Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 20 March 2000 9:57 A.M. Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks > Trudy, > > Along with Tim, I just don't actually see what rules Laurie has > broken. Can you perhaps post them for us, or direct us to them? > Also, to take the burden of this sort of decision off of you, perhaps > we could consider some sort of group decision-making process > when it comes to delisting someone? > Thanks, > > Sandy > > I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that they are not just my > > reasons. There are others on this list who have no trouble with the > > rules and expect them to be followed. They were there from the > > beginning. > > I think to ban flaming is the least we can ask from each other and as > > for who decides - I do. > > That is my responsibility as list owner and it is also my burden. > > > > I must say, I am getting to the stage where I am wondering if we are > > adult enough to deal with one provocateur. It is obvious by now that > > Karen is not interested in discussions that require listening and > > consideration on both sides. We gave her the benefit of the doubt but > > she has not addressed one question or given any indication that she is > > willing to. > > I suggest that the best way to quench a fire is to starve it of oxygen. > > > > As for Laurie, she is welcome to come back any time she is willing to > > follow the same rules as everyone else. I am not going to be put in the > > position of enforcing the rules for everyone but one person and I hope > > you don't expect me to. > > > > Why don't we do as Jay suggested and get back to what we are here for > > and no longer let one person distract us from that. > > > > Trudy > > > > > > tdunlop wrote: > > > > > > I'd just like to put in a request for the re-admission of Laurie, if she is > > > interested. I'm sympathetic to your reasons, Trudy, but calling racists > > > racists seems a reasonable thing to do. So while I agree we should try and > > > keep discussion above slanging match level, some sort of defacto > > > speech/manners code seems to me unenforceable. What words? What etiquette? > > > Who decides? It seems to me it's a slippery slope. > > > > > > Tim > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > --- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com
[recoznet2] Fw: No new Women's Prison
Don ClarkPresidentIndigenous Social Justice AssociationPO Box K555Haymarket NSW 1240[EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice - Original Message - From: Don Clark To: reconnet: reconciliation email network Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2000 5:09 P.M. Subject: No new Women's Prison This may be of interest to some on this e-list. Sorry for any cross-posting. Don NO New Women’s Prison R A L L Y 1pm Monday 27th March 2000 NSW Parliament House Macquarie St. Sydney Help Stop The New Women's Prison And Demand Alternatives WHY CARE? 60% of women serve less than 6 months- 80% less than a year. 90% of imprisoned women are victims of sexual and physical abuse. 30% of women prisoners were removed from their families as children. Most offences by women involve a male protagonist, antagonist or stand-over Prison as 'last resort', yet 3O% of imprisoned women are remanded in custody! The Government has ignored the Upper House's construction moratorium. The new prison for women will cost a minimum $ 42,000,000 Women are 52% of society yet only 6% of offenders. It costs a minimum $55,000 a year to jail a woman. A quarter of women prisoners are indigenous Most alternatives to prison exclude women. Men build prisons for men, not for women. Women's crime is link to substance abuse. 60% of women prisoners are mothers. Prison does not work, alternatives do. SPEAKERS: Annie Madden from the NSW Users and Aids Association. Anne Lane from the Conference of Leaders of Religious Institutes of NSW. A representative from the Indigenous Social Justice Association. Please fax or e-mail flyer or details to friends, colleagues and other interested individuals and groups and bring your lunch or picnic. Please call the Positive Justice Centre on behalf of: No New Women's Prison Campaign. Mobile-0413 257 469. voicemail-9990 2370, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don ClarkPresidentIndigenous Social Justice AssociationPO Box K555Haymarket NSW 1240[EMAIL PROTECTED] There can be no real reconciliation without social justice
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Here is the article I was thinking of... Tue, 4 Jan 2000 7:54 CDT LOCAL NEWS : Northern Territory Break-ins skyrocket despite mandatory sentencing The Northern Territory's mandatory sentencing regime does not appear to be deterring criminals from committing property offences. Mandatory sentencing was introduced in the Territory almost three years ago. The latest annual report from Territory Police shows unlawful entries in Alice Springs and Darwin have increased significantly. In Alice Springs in 1997/98 there were 687 reported breaks-ins. Twelve months later the annual total was 830. Reports of criminal damage also increased. In Darwin there were more than 2,200 break-ins during 1998/99, up by 512 on the previous year. The report also shows unlawful entries into buildings in Darwin more than doubled. In Katherine property crime was up by 5 per cent. © 1999 Australian Broadcasting Corporation Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research >under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed >further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for me
RE: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
There's a whole heap of discussion of statistics in the senate report. They're all convoluted, though, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it (I can't help wondering how committed the Senate Committee was to overturning mandatory sentencing... a lot of their stuff was confusing and they avoid drawing conclusions quite a bit). Glenn Murray "I am a peanut" -Original Message- From: Trudy and Rod Bray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing You're right about the time that the mandatory sentencing laws came into effect. I think there is an article that mentioned the latest figures. I will have a look for it - unless someone has it handy? Trudy Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/r
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
You're right about the time that the mandatory sentencing laws came into effect. I think there is an article that mentioned the latest figures. I will have a look for it - unless someone has it handy? Trudy Sandy Sanders wrote: > > Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've > already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of > later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in > various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates > are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT > mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If > that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws > changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible > way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). > > Sandy > > > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > > > Trudy > > > > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > > the Chief Minister. > > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > > his email address. ;-) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Trudy > > -- > > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi > ve.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the > > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research >under the "fair > > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed >further without > > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > > ~~~ > Sandy Sanders > Wormhole Books > 27A Main Street > Upwey VIC 3158 > ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 > www.wormhole.com.au > > WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . > www.wormhole.com.au > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archive.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Yes, it's an interesting site -- thanks for posting the url, Trudy. I've already sent them a friendly note, but there's one thing I thought of later. They've got statistics purporting to show a 14% decrease in various kinds of property crime in the NT. Their benchmark dates are from 1995 to 1998. Am I wrong in thinking that the NT mandatory sentencing laws came into effect in March 1997? If that's right, what are the stats for before and after the laws changed? Someone might like to point out (in the nicest possible way), this discrepancy in their use of damned lies (sorry, statistics). Sandy > Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > > at: > > > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > > > Trudy > > > > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that > far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke > what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to > the Chief Minister. > If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to > his email address. ;-) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Trudy > -- > RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at >http://www.mail-archi ve.com/ > To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body > of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce > This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission >from the > copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under >the "fair > use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further >without > permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > > RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ ~~~ Sandy Sanders Wormhole Books 27A Main Street Upwey VIC 3158 ph/fax 61 (03) 9754 5440 www.wormhole.com.au WORMHOLE BOOKS science/fiction and beyond . . . . www.wormhole.com.au -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] NT Govt website on mandatory sentencing
Trudy and Rod Bray wrote: > > Denis Burke has published a website in defence of mandatory sentencing > at: > > http://www.nt.gov.au/ministers/current_issues/mandatory_sentencing.shtml > > Trudy > I posted this URL (above) yesterday and I don't know if anyone got that far but at the bottom there is a place where you can tell Denis Burke what you think of mandatory sentencing - it promises to go straight to the Chief Minister. If you want to make sure that it does, you could alway send a copy to his email address. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trudy -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] [FWD] Jabiluka Ploughshares released after 67 days in jail
Forwarded from Christine Howes: MEDIA RELEASE Jabiluka Ploughshares released after 67 days jail Ciaron O'Reilly and Treena Lenthall were taken into custody at 1 pm on January 17 2000 to serve 67 days in prison for their disabling of uranium mining equipment at Jabiluka uranium mine in Kakadu National Park. They are due to be released on the morning of Thursday March 23. In the early hours of Sunday morning, August 9 1998 (the 53rd anniversary of the bombing of Nagasaki) Ciaron and Treena carried out their nonviolent disarmament, pouring human blood and hammering on an excavator to disable it. At the time of their arrest the pair stated: "The nuclear weapon assembly line begins here at Jabiluka uranium mine, today we end it here with this nonviolent act of disarmament. The road from Jabiluka leads to Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Chernobyl, Mururoa... With this act of disarmament we begin to prepare the way of the Lord - a path of nonviolent resistance towards justice and peace." They were arrested and charged with criminal damage. At their trial in the Darwin Magistrates Court they were found guilty and ordered to pay fines and restitution to Jabiluka mine owners Energy Resources of Australia to the amount of $6 673, which they refused to pay. They had already served more than 14 days in custody at the time of the trial as they were not offered bail after arrest, and so not have to serve a further 14 days under mandatory sentencing laws. Ciaron and Treena returned to the Northern Territory this January and blocked the entrance to Ranger uranium mine. There they were taken into custody to spend 67 days in prison for refusing to pay restitution for their 1998 disarmament witness. Ciaron and Treena will be released today, Thursday March 23 and will lead a vigil outside the Department of Mines and Energy in Raintree Park, Knuckey Street from 12.30. The vigil will highlight the progress made in stopping Jabiluka from going ahead and the continuation of resistancce to the nuclear cycle in all its forms. Ciaron and Treena will be available for interviews at the vigil between 12.30 and 2.30 pm. -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
RE: [recoznet2] white race privilege
What a great summary. And very well written, I reckon. thanks Glenn Murray "I am a peanut" -Original Message- From: karyn fearnside [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [recoznet2] white race privilege This may now be a little late,(I seem to have been away for a couple of days and missed much interesting debate, as I have just tried to read through 105 emails!!) but I contacted Jenny Tannoch-Bland, and asked if I could put up her essay on white race privilege which she sent me. I was hoping Karen might gain something from it, but I have also found it extremely useful. It is pretty long and might be worth printing out and reading in bits I hope I got the acknowledgements right: Jenny says just make sure you acknowledge FAIRA - the book came out of the conference in 1997 in Brisbane - BRINGING AUSTRALIA TOGETHER. IDENTIFYING WHITE RACE PRIVILEGE Jenny Tannoch-Bland White people's race privilege in this country is based on past acts - all white Australians live here because of past actions of murder, massacres, poisoning, torture, dispossession, internment, enslavement and genocide. These acts were committed against Indigenous people on the basis of race - they were racist acts. Australians are having the native title debate now because of these past racist acts. But through talking about white race privilege, I want to suggest that racism in the present is confounding the native title debate. White race privilege is invisible, unearned, denied, systemic, undesirable, and confers dominance. I'd like to approach a definition obliquely, by talking about racism generally. Anecdotal evidence tells me that there is nowadays hardly a family gathering where we don't hear someone proclaiming 'I'm not a racist'. What they usually mean is 'I am not motivated by race hatred to taunt, main or murder.' What these people understand by racism is race hatred. They do not feel hatred in their hearts, and we as a society no longer condone race hatred. These defensive proclamations are prevalent now because many other people understand racism to be something more complex than race hatred. Most of these people, when they talk about racism, are talking about racial oppression - the systemic or systematic oppression of one race by another. Seeing the situation in terms of racial oppression focuses attention on the oppressed. Thus in Australia there is a racial focus on Indigenous people. Racism is seen as a problem for Indigenous people - but not for white Australians. By seeing racism in terms of racial oppression we locate it with Indigenous people. It is not our problem -- not the problem of white Australians. It exists in the system outside us, impacting on others but not on us, not on white Australians. This means that we white Australians tend to see racism as causing Aboriginal disadvantage. The Siamese twin of Aboriginal disadvantage is white advantage. Logically we can't have one without the other. But we don't connect white advantage - unearned advantage - with racism. We don't think of racism in terms of our white race privilege. We think our lives are not affected by racism. But we benefit from it. Through white advantage, through unearned race privilege, through not experiencing race disadvantage, our lives are affected by racism. It is just that we are not conscious of it. It is invisible to us, but not to Indigenous people because, on a daily basis, our race privilege affects them. Thus far we know two points about our white race privilege: it is invisible to us and unearned. I will list some of the benefits, largely unrecognised, that we white people accrue from the system of racism. These are benefits that I did not earn but that I have been made to feel are mine by birth, and are normal. The Aboriginal women with whom I come in contact cannot count on most of these benefits. 1. I can, without material loss, choose to be surrounded by people of my race most of the time. 2. I can avoid spending time with people who oppress me on the basis of race. 3. I can be reasonably confident that in most workplaces my race will be in the majority, and in any case that I will not feel isolated as the only, often token, member of my race. 4. I can rent or purchase housing in any area which I can afford. 5. I expect that neighbours will be neutral or friendly to me. 6. If my white neighbours disturb the peace (statistically most neighbours in Australia are white), I can act confidently, requesting them to desist, without fear of being responded to on the basis of race. 7. In Queensland I can go to any public hospital and not have my recuperation hindered by my frustration that such infrastructure was funded from wages stolen from my people (perhaps my own parents, siblings or myself), who are still waiting for the balance to be released by the Queensland Governm
[recoznet2] International Visitors to Australia Affected by Mandatory Sentencing
To whom it may concern, I will assume that you're somewhat familiar with the mandatory sentencing issue, given that it has such a high media profile at the moment. However, as the media don't always give all the [correct] information, I thought it would be best if someone gave you a rundown on the inhumanity of these laws and their impact on international visitors and tourism in general. * The UN has repeatedly told the Australian government that mandatory sentencing in general is unacceptable and unfair. * The Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said Western Australian and Northern Territory mandatory sentencing laws discriminated against indigenous people. * It is alleged that the government even nobbled a recent UN investigation into mandatory sentencing. * The recent Senate Report on the Mandatory Sentencing of Youths (http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/legcon_ctte/mandatory/contents.htm) found that Australia is breaching its international human rights obligations - among other things, mandatory sentences are arbitrary and are not in the best interests of the child. * The Senate voted to overturn laws which subject children to mandatory sentences. * The Federal government is obliged to override state and territory laws if they are inconsistent with conventions and treaties signed by Australia. * A number of government members have voiced strong opposition to mandatory sentencing. * Yet still, John Howard has forced his party to toe the line and oppose Senator Bob Brown's bill to overturn mandatory sentencing laws for youths. * There have been two similar bills proposed subsequently, but debate on the bills has been gagged by the government (when Mr Beazley tried to introduce his bill, a motion was moved that he no longer be heard, and because the government had the numbers, the motion was carried... what kind of mature way is this to decide such an important issue?). Anyway, as well breaching our international human rights obligations, these laws place unwary international visitors to the Northern Territory and Western Australia at risk of imprisonment. Just recently, a man was sentenced to a year in prison for stealing cookies and cordial (worth $23). Where is the justice in that? The UN reported that one man in jail didn't even know why he had been arrested. This is probably due to language difficulties, but I'm sure that's no consolation to international visitors! These laws target blue collar offences, and are therefore aimed at the poor and the underprivileged. In Australia, the single most underprivileged group is without doubt (and without argument) our Aboriginal population. After at least 40,000 years of civilisation, Australia's Aboriginal population was invaded and their land taken. No treaty was signed, and Australia's highest court decreed that the invasion and appropriation of lands was illegal. Yet still the people are suffering. Since the very first day, "White Australia" has attempt to force Aboriginal people to change. In a white culture of might is right, it's ironic that if Aboriginal people fight for their land, they're called militant. Yet if they lose hope, they're called lazy or worse. If they want to be "accepted" into mainstream culture, they must hide or forget their traditional practices. If they attempt to make the most of the system in any way, they're called bludgers. And don't forget, this is the system that has systematically tried to kill off their culture - government sanctioned massacres in my Grandad's lifetime, separation policies, assimilation policies, exclusion from schools, exclusion from the workplace. And now we can add mandatory sentencing to this long list. The NT, WA, and Commonwealth governments are riding the redneck wave. "Let's crack down on crime!" By pointing the finger, these parties divert the spotlight from their own deficiencies, and get the vote, even though crime rates aren't reduced, and even though we're destroying our heritage. Please let all potential visitors to Australia know the risks they face if they visit the Northern Territory and Western Australia. Furthermore, please let them know that some 26% of Aboriginal people get custodial sentences (as opposed to only about 2% of non-Aboriginal people)! In Victoria and Western Europe the general rate of incarceration is 80 people for every 100,000 head of population. In WA it's 220:100,000, unless you are an indigenous woman when it is 555:100,000, or an indigenous man when it is 5666:100,000. This rate is higher than South Africa during apartheid. But when a Nyoongar man calls for an Aboriginal and black boycott, he is branded as a pariah. How many people would want to visit the Northern Territory once they realise that the people who make it special are ALL IN PRISON???!!! So if you want the "Aboriginal Experience", you'll have to commit a property crime. It is w
[recoznet2] Recommended viewing tonight!
INSIGHT on SBS at 8:30 pm March 23, 2000 (tonight) Belinda Hawkins examines the philosophies underpinning the strategies of three contemporary indigenous leaders: Jacqui Katona, Geoff Clark and Senator Aden Ridgeway. Trudy -- _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] UN continues to question mandatory sentencing
UN continues to question mandatory sentencing Source: AAP | Published: Thursday March 23, 5:03 AM LONDON, March 22 - Mandatory sentencing legislation 'conflicted with the norms of justice', the UN's main race committee said today as it continued its examination of race relations in Australia. The Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said Western Australian and Northern Territory mandatory sentencing laws discriminated against indigenous people. One CERD member reported that some of those imprisoned under the legislation did not know why they were arrested. Leading Australia's delegation before the committee in Geneva, Immigration and Reconciliation Minister Philip Ruddock was told figures in Australia's report showed a lack of progress in tackling racism. Poor levels of schooling, health and other socio-economic factors demonstrated the unequal status of indigenous people, the committee said. Ruddock was also questioned on the legality of amendments to the 1998 Native Title Act, on the 'unacceptably high rate' of Aboriginal children before the courts and on budget cuts to organisations working with indigenous people. In his response to the committee, Ruddock acknowledged the past mistreatment of Aborigines and said that parliament had done so too. He said the federal government had expressed concerns over mandatory sentences and had asked the WA and NT attorneys-general to change the laws. Following the meeting, Ruddock denied reports he had been given a grilling by the committee. "There were some issues where they questioned aspects of our performance but they were open to what I had to say," he said. Ruddock later held a private meeting with High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson. The minister confirmed that the subject of the meeting was the UN Convention on Refugees and the UN Convention on Torture. Amnesty International this week asked Ruddock to take off his membership badge after he said the refugee convention was too open to abuse. Ruddock declined to elaborate on the meeting but said it has been positive. -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] Good letters
Letters to the editor - The Canberra Times http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news2/opinion/opinion1.shtml The Sydney Morning Herald - Letters to the editor Letters: Early critics of mandatory sentencing http://www.smh.com.au/news/0003/23/text/letters.html Trudy _ Truth is a pathless land. --- Krishnamurti - -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks
Yes, Irene. I think that in this era of Howard's new political correctness, the immediate and hurtful effects on Indigenous people of these racist attacks has been somewhat lost in the attempt to mould reconciliation into a form acceptable to the opponents of a just reconciliation. As you say, these opponents of Indigenous rights are attacking Aborigines as a group in racist terms and are claiming the right to express their opinions without criticism or being replied to in kind. When they are questioned or taken to task for their bigoted and racist statements, they protest they are being unfairly attacked, and say that the move for reconciliation is only causing division in the community, and therefore we should forget about it and all get on with being ''Australians". We must be on guard not to be sucked in by these racist attempts to continue the dispossession of our Original people200years of abuse and hurt , "attack upon my being and soul" must endwe must take these people on whenever they raise their racist heads. If they are converted ---good . If they are discredited so that others are not swayed to their racism---good-but they must not be appeased. Laurie. Laurie and Desley Forde [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Irene Watson wrote. -Original Message- From: irene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Personal attacks >what about the racist views - they are attack upon my being and soul even >though they are supplanted in generalities.rather than personalised >-- >> From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [recoznet2] Personal attacks >> Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 7:45 PM >> >> >> I had hoped not to have to enforce the rules quite so quickly but after >> some discussion with Laurie off-list, and her avowal not to stop >> attacking anyone she perceives as a racist, I have removed her from >> Recoznet2. >> >> I take no pleasure in doing this but I don't want the list to degenerate >> into name calling and personal attacks. This is completely unnecessary >> to get one's point across. >> >> Trudy >> -- >> * >> Make the Hunger Site your homepage! >> http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html >> * >> --- >> RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived >at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >> To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in >the body >> of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >> This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without >permission from the >> copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and >research under the "fair >> use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be >distributed further without >> permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." >> >> RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ >http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ > >-- >RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ >To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body >of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce >This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the >copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair >use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without >permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." > >RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/ -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
[recoznet2] Our Country Our Queen
With all the work and hype aound the Reconciliation Float in the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, I have not had much time to post some info about the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Gay, Lesbian and Transgender/sistergirl community parade entry, Our Country Our Queen. Given the current less-than-royal visit, the timing is now appropriate! Francine, David, Kooncha, Chris and all the Our Country Our Queen participants deserve congratulations for the success of this very public statement of diversity within the Aboriginal and Torres Stait Islander community. (Did you see Francine and Chris on ch10?) This is a article which appeared in the press two days before the parade, the accompanying photo and some other pics from the OCOQ float are online at: http://www.bwp.org.au/ocoq.htm Garry C Black+White+Pink http://www.bwp.org.au/ --- >From Sydney Star Observer, 2 March 2000 We're on parade Jill Jones ...One of the first floats up Oxford street, just behind the lead float, will be Our Country Our Queen, an initiative of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander gay, lesbian, transgender and sistergirl community sponsored by ACON, the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, the Aboriginal Medical Service, Deadly Vibe, Sydney Institute of Technology's Eora Centre, and the National Aboriginal and Islander Skills Development Association. And fronting the float is a true queen, J'onelle Francine, who will be wearing a jewelled crown and carrying a waratah sceptre. "I am the elder of that community," she told Sydney Star Observer. Francine, as she is usually known, came out in the early 1950s. "I think I was the first Indigenous person to come out in that era." Francine, who left Queensland for Sydney, recalls her first visit to a gay bar, in The Rex at Kings Cross. "I remember walking in. There was a buzz with everyone talking, then it went quiet. All heads turned and I turned around too wondering who they were looking at. But it was me. It was the first time they'd seen an Aboriginal walk in. " Now 65 and identifying as transgender, Francine said she remembers how in earlier firmes there was a lot more togetherness and support in the gay community. "We were all going through the same thing. And we still have an uphill battle. That's why the gay community has to stick together as one group - there should be no in-fighting." One of the float's organisers, Chris from ACON, said the message of this float is "visibility". "We want to say, 'Yes, there are Aboriginal gays and lesbians, and transgenders.' We are reclaiming sexual ownership of ourselves. In the past there's been a lot of sexual exploitation. But we can say 'no' to that sort of stuff." The float will include dancers who have adapted some traditional moves from both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander dances. According to another participant Sani, "we have mellowed it down to some more contemporary moves". They will be using music by Yothu Yindi, Christine Anu and Rita Mills and will also be carrying banners and signs in different Aboriginal languages. The group expects over 100 marchers but wants even more, both from indigenous and white communities.Tanya Plibersek, Federal ALP Member for Sydney, has announced she has accepted an invitation to match along with the group. -- RecOzNet2 has a page @ http://www.green.net.au/recoznet2 and is archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and in the body of the message, include the words:unsubscribe announce or click here mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=unsubscribe%20announce This posting is provided to the individual members of this group without permission from the copyright owner for purposes of criticism, comment, scholarship and research under the "fair use" provisions of the Federal copyright laws and it may not be distributed further without permission of the copyright owner, except for "fair use." RecOzNet2 is archived for members @ http://www.mail-archive.com/recoznet2%40paradigm4.com.au/
RE: [recoznet2] white race privilege
Thank you - I have printed it up just now and will have a read tonight. Karen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of karyn fearnside Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2000 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [recoznet2] white race privilege This may now be a little late,(I seem to have been away for a couple of days and missed much interesting debate, as I have just tried to read through 105 emails!!) but I contacted Jenny Tannoch-Bland, and asked if I could put up her essay on white race privilege which she sent me. I was hoping Karen might gain something from it, but I have also found it extremely useful. It is pretty long and might be worth printing out and reading in bits I hope I got the acknowledgements right: Jenny says just make sure you acknowledge FAIRA - the book came out of the conference in 1997 in Brisbane - BRINGING AUSTRALIA TOGETHER. IDENTIFYING WHITE RACE PRIVILEGE Jenny Tannoch-Bland White people's race privilege in this country is based on past acts - all white Australians live here because of past actions of murder, massacres, poisoning, torture, dispossession, internment, enslavement and genocide. These acts were committed against Indigenous people on the basis of race - they were racist acts. Australians are having the native title debate now because of these past racist acts. But through talking about white race privilege, I want to suggest that racism in the present is confounding the native title debate. White race privilege is invisible, unearned, denied, systemic, undesirable, and confers dominance. I'd like to approach a definition obliquely, by talking about racism generally. Anecdotal evidence tells me that there is nowadays hardly a family gathering where we don't hear someone proclaiming 'I'm not a racist'. What they usually mean is 'I am not motivated by race hatred to taunt, main or murder.' What these people understand by racism is race hatred. They do not feel hatred in their hearts, and we as a society no longer condone race hatred. These defensive proclamations are prevalent now because many other people understand racism to be something more complex than race hatred. Most of these people, when they talk about racism, are talking about racial oppression - the systemic or systematic oppression of one race by another. Seeing the situation in terms of racial oppression focuses attention on the oppressed. Thus in Australia there is a racial focus on Indigenous people. Racism is seen as a problem for Indigenous people - but not for white Australians. By seeing racism in terms of racial oppression we locate it with Indigenous people. It is not our problem -- not the problem of white Australians. It exists in the system outside us, impacting on others but not on us, not on white Australians. This means that we white Australians tend to see racism as causing Aboriginal disadvantage. The Siamese twin of Aboriginal disadvantage is white advantage. Logically we can't have one without the other. But we don't connect white advantage - unearned advantage - with racism. We don't think of racism in terms of our white race privilege. We think our lives are not affected by racism. But we benefit from it. Through white advantage, through unearned race privilege, through not experiencing race disadvantage, our lives are affected by racism. It is just that we are not conscious of it. It is invisible to us, but not to Indigenous people because, on a daily basis, our race privilege affects them. Thus far we know two points about our white race privilege: it is invisible to us and unearned. I will list some of the benefits, largely unrecognised, that we white people accrue from the system of racism. These are benefits that I did not earn but that I have been made to feel are mine by birth, and are normal. The Aboriginal women with whom I come in contact cannot count on most of these benefits. 1. I can, without material loss, choose to be surrounded by people of my race most of the time. 2. I can avoid spending time with people who oppress me on the basis of race. 3. I can be reasonably confident that in most workplaces my race will be in the majority, and in any case that I will not feel isolated as the only, often token, member of my race. 4. I can rent or purchase housing in any area which I can afford. 5. I expect that neighbours will be neutral or friendly to me. 6. If my white neighbours disturb the peace (statistically most neighbours in Australia are white), I can act confidently, requesting them to desist, without fear of being responded to on the basis of race. 7. In Queensland I can go to any public hospital and not have my recuperation hindered by my frustration that such infrastructure was funded from wages stolen from my people (perhaps my own parents, siblings or myself), who are still waiting for the balance to be released by the Queensland Government. 8. When I watch TV and read the papers
RE: [recoznet2] Refocus.
Absolutely - well said - lets refocus...
I have had my email down for five days - now when I return here I am so so so
s bored with this Karen stuff. NOt that her arguments should not be
debated - I have learnt a lot rereading peoples discussion, it has given me
some words for the next argument/discussion at my family BBqs but there is a
lot of other stuff going on...
eg
That bridge continues as does the protest against it -those in Adelaide come
on down to AMelia park anytime with a banner and a thermos and talk to anyone
passing by. Do you know the toilets in the nearby cafe say "secret mens
business" and "secret women's business"
Annette
>Hi all,
>
>Perhaps we need to re-focus our efforts upon 'reconciliation' instead of
>one individuals boringly tabloid opinions. There are a host of issues that
>we could be discussing and even organising activities around.
>
>**I propose the Arabunna Going Home camp this weekend in Northern SA.
>Those interested go to www.come.to/lakeeyre
>(below is a breif description of the history of the Keepers of Lake Eyre,
>an alliance of environmental and Indigenous activists.)
>
>**Perhaps others know of unrepresnted struggles or Indigenous events that
>need support.
>
>**Does anyone know what's happening with the Yorta Yorta appeal?
>
>**Also has anyone got any idea how many Indigenous Australians actually
>have access to the internet?
>
>** Has anyone rung or written to any of the Northern Territory tourism
>industries? Boycott the Territory until their ridiculous law is removed.
>Boycotts, they will tell you, will hurt Indigenous businesses but Mandatory
>Sentencing will hurt them more! They might say "You'll never, never know,
>if you never never go!" But I say "We'll never, ever go until these laws
>are gone!"
>
>I hope someone can help me with my questions and offer some insight into
>the aformentioned issues?
>
>___
>The ARABUNNA STRUGGLE.
>The Arabunna, of the Oodnadatta region and situated along the western shore
>of Nothern Lake Eyre in South Australia have taken to the internet with
>their call for solidarity. Perhaps some of the first contact Arabunna had
>with with European culture and economy was via explorers like J McD Stuart.
> Such exploration was closely followed by camel drivers, herds of cattle,
>railway development and the telegraph line. (Horton, D. Vol 1 1994:54)
>The Arabunna people and culture persist today and with the support of the
>Keepers of Lake Eyre (KOLE) are making their voice heard on the World Wide
>Web.
>
>Arabunna and other Indigenous folk of the 'Eyre' region met early
>pastoralist colonialism with a 'fierce resistance.' (Horton, 1994:352)
>Later these folk were integral to the pastoral industry however when
>pastoral economies became less profitable the jobs gradually dried up. Due
>to growing unemployment and complaints from local towns people many of the
>Aboriginal people from this region were shipped off to foreign places as
>far as eatsern QLD and throughout NSW. Many remained close to their
>traditional lands and reside in Port August and Adelaide.
>
>Elder, (Uncle) Kevin Buzzacott has called all Arabunna to return home to
>their traditonal lands and oppose the further destruction of their land and
>therefore heritage and cultural autonomy. Those that want to learn about
>his country and its history have also come to Lake Eyre and the Arabunna
>Camp in support of the areas traditonal custodians. KOLE support both the
>maintenance and regeneration ('unkeep') of Arabunna culture and knowledge
>as well as protection of Arabunna land, traditonal 'Law' and people.
>
>KOLE had their first gathering in January of 1999, in Adelaide, South
>Australia with the intention of supporting Kevin's going home camp due to
>begin on March 26th, the same day as the official opening of Western Mining
>Corporations (WMC) Olympic Dam Expansion Project. The camp lasted 9 months
>before it was diamantled by WMC with the assistance of local police. The
>Arabunna continue to resist the developments of WMC upon their traditional
>lands.
>
>The camp is set to be rebuilt this year March 26th. All are welcome.
>Contact KOLE for more information.
>_
>P.S. Removing someone from the list seems counter productive.
>---
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[recoznet2] white race privilege
This may now be a little late,(I seem to have been away for a couple of days and missed much interesting debate, as I have just tried to read through 105 emails!!) but I contacted Jenny Tannoch-Bland, and asked if I could put up her essay on white race privilege which she sent me. I was hoping Karen might gain something from it, but I have also found it extremely useful. It is pretty long and might be worth printing out and reading in bits I hope I got the acknowledgements right: Jenny says just make sure you acknowledge FAIRA - the book came out of the conference in 1997 in Brisbane - BRINGING AUSTRALIA TOGETHER. IDENTIFYING WHITE RACE PRIVILEGE Jenny Tannoch-Bland White people's race privilege in this country is based on past acts - all white Australians live here because of past actions of murder, massacres, poisoning, torture, dispossession, internment, enslavement and genocide. These acts were committed against Indigenous people on the basis of race - they were racist acts. Australians are having the native title debate now because of these past racist acts. But through talking about white race privilege, I want to suggest that racism in the present is confounding the native title debate. White race privilege is invisible, unearned, denied, systemic, undesirable, and confers dominance. I'd like to approach a definition obliquely, by talking about racism generally. Anecdotal evidence tells me that there is nowadays hardly a family gathering where we don't hear someone proclaiming 'I'm not a racist'. What they usually mean is 'I am not motivated by race hatred to taunt, main or murder.' What these people understand by racism is race hatred. They do not feel hatred in their hearts, and we as a society no longer condone race hatred. These defensive proclamations are prevalent now because many other people understand racism to be something more complex than race hatred. Most of these people, when they talk about racism, are talking about racial oppression - the systemic or systematic oppression of one race by another. Seeing the situation in terms of racial oppression focuses attention on the oppressed. Thus in Australia there is a racial focus on Indigenous people. Racism is seen as a problem for Indigenous people - but not for white Australians. By seeing racism in terms of racial oppression we locate it with Indigenous people. It is not our problem -- not the problem of white Australians. It exists in the system outside us, impacting on others but not on us, not on white Australians. This means that we white Australians tend to see racism as causing Aboriginal disadvantage. The Siamese twin of Aboriginal disadvantage is white advantage. Logically we can't have one without the other. But we don't connect white advantage - unearned advantage - with racism. We don't think of racism in terms of our white race privilege. We think our lives are not affected by racism. But we benefit from it. Through white advantage, through unearned race privilege, through not experiencing race disadvantage, our lives are affected by racism. It is just that we are not conscious of it. It is invisible to us, but not to Indigenous people because, on a daily basis, our race privilege affects them. Thus far we know two points about our white race privilege: it is invisible to us and unearned. I will list some of the benefits, largely unrecognised, that we white people accrue from the system of racism. These are benefits that I did not earn but that I have been made to feel are mine by birth, and are normal. The Aboriginal women with whom I come in contact cannot count on most of these benefits. 1. I can, without material loss, choose to be surrounded by people of my race most of the time. 2. I can avoid spending time with people who oppress me on the basis of race. 3. I can be reasonably confident that in most workplaces my race will be in the majority, and in any case that I will not feel isolated as the only, often token, member of my race. 4. I can rent or purchase housing in any area which I can afford. 5. I expect that neighbours will be neutral or friendly to me. 6. If my white neighbours disturb the peace (statistically most neighbours in Australia are white), I can act confidently, requesting them to desist, without fear of being responded to on the basis of race. 7. In Queensland I can go to any public hospital and not have my recuperation hindered by my frustration that such infrastructure was funded from wages stolen from my people (perhaps my own parents, siblings or myself), who are still waiting for the balance to be released by the Queensland Government. 8. When I watch TV and read the papers I see people of my race widely and positively represented. 9. When I am told about Australia's history or about 'civilisation', I am shown that people of my colour made it what it is. 10. I can rest assured that at school my childr
