Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
Does anybody know of a major laptop manufactorer that will sell a system with Red Hat or any other linux distribution pre-installed? If not Linux, perhaps without an OS? I'm pricing laptops but I know that some of the cost is OS related. Having a MS XP license isn't something that will be of any use to me. I stress _major_ company, like Dell, IBM, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, etc. -- Caleb Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On Sunday 09 February 2003 23:15, Caleb Groom wrote: Does anybody know of a major laptop manufactorer that will sell a system with Red Hat or any other linux distribution pre-installed? If not Linux, perhaps without an OS? I'm pricing laptops but I know that some of the cost is OS related. Having a MS XP license isn't something that will be of any use to me. I stress _major_ company, like Dell, IBM, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, etc. Have you tried calling yet? Please do so and let us know how it goes. I will find the time next week and call all of the big boys to see if I can. It has been over a year since my last laptop and at that time...no luck. :-(( Times change right? It is time they give us a choice. It is about time!!! The more that people call these big companies to order equipment without an Operating System pre installed, the better off the world is. We should ALL have a choice! The only way that is gonna happen is if you raise some hell when you try to purchase your laptop. Go for it and don't back down. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 19:19, Andy wrote: On Sunday 09 February 2003 23:15, Caleb Groom wrote: Does anybody know of a major laptop manufactorer that will sell a system with Red Hat or any other linux distribution pre-installed? If not Linux, perhaps without an OS? I'm pricing laptops but I know that some of the cost is OS related. Having a MS XP license isn't something that will be of any use to me. I stress _major_ company, like Dell, IBM, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, etc. Have you tried calling yet? Please do so and let us know how it goes. I will find the time next week and call all of the big boys to see if I can. It has been over a year since my last laptop and at that time...no luck. :-(( Times change right? It is time they give us a choice. It is about time!!! The more that people call these big companies to order equipment without an Operating System pre installed, the better off the world is. We should ALL have a choice! The only way that is gonna happen is if you raise some hell when you try to purchase your laptop. Go for it and don't back down. IBM would be the best bet. -- Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:35:01 +1100 7:35pm up 3 days, 11:53, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.09 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- If a thing's worth having, it's worth cheating for. -- W.C. Fields -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
MicroLink from Estonia will be the best ! -Original Message- From: Caleb Groom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows Does anybody know of a major laptop manufactorer that will sell a system with Red Hat or any other linux distribution pre-installed? If not Linux, perhaps without an OS? I'm pricing laptops but I know that some of the cost is OS related. Having a MS XP license isn't something that will be of any use to me. I stress _major_ company, like Dell, IBM, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, etc. -- Caleb Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On 10 Feb 2003, Stephen Kuhn wrote: IBM would be the best bet. sadly, for all the hype coming out of IBM these days about how they're firmly behind linux and are investing bazillions of dollars in it, it appears that you still can't buy a thinkpad that doesn't have windows pre-loaded on it. i'll finally start taking IBM seriously when they sell either a linux-loaded laptop or, even better, a blank one. IBM can certainly talk the talk. time for them to walk the walk. rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:40:45 +0200 Vitali Djatsuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: MicroLink from Estonia will be the best ! -Original Message- From: Caleb Groom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows Does anybody know of a major laptop manufactorer that will sell a system with Red Hat or any other linux distribution pre-installed? If not Linux, perhaps without an OS? I'm pricing laptops but I know that some of the cost is OS related. Having a MS XP license isn't something that will be of any use to me. I stress _major_ company, like Dell, IBM, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, Toshiba, etc. === Do a google search for Emperor Linux. They sell a variety of major brand laptops w/ Linux pre-installed (Sony, Thinkpad, others...). Caveat Emptor: they are a bit pricey.. Mike -- 'Deserves [death]? I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.' --Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
IBM would be the best bet. sadly, for all the hype coming out of IBM these days about how they're firmly behind linux and are investing bazillions of dollars in it, it appears that you still can't buy a thinkpad that doesn't have windows pre-loaded on it. i'll finally start taking IBM seriously when they sell either a linux-loaded laptop or, even better, a blank one. IBM can certainly talk the talk. time for them to walk the walk. Is it IBM's choice to continue this practice? Or are they still bound by legal contractual obligations to ship with an MS operating system? Same thing with Dell I think. The only way I could get around this last year was to buy a PowerEdge with no OS loaded from their Business sales. Loaded Linux on it and its actually a nice workstation. Anyone know if IBM is contractually bound? I will be in the market for a new Thinkpad soon and would like to know. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
The mother of a good friend of mine is a VP for IBM (in sales), and according to his mother, IBM is still bound by M$ contract to do this. Andy wrote: IBM would be the best bet. sadly, for all the hype coming out of IBM these days about how they're firmly behind linux and are investing bazillions of dollars in it, it appears that you still can't buy a thinkpad that doesn't have windows pre-loaded on it. i'll finally start taking IBM seriously when they sell either a linux-loaded laptop or, even better, a blank one. IBM can certainly talk the talk. time for them to walk the walk. Is it IBM's choice to continue this practice? Or are they still bound by legal contractual obligations to ship with an MS operating system? Same thing with Dell I think. The only way I could get around this last year was to buy a PowerEdge with no OS loaded from their Business sales. Loaded Linux on it and its actually a nice workstation. Anyone know if IBM is contractually bound? I will be in the market for a new Thinkpad soon and would like to know. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On Monday 10 February 2003 08:23, John Nichel wrote: The mother of a good friend of mine is a VP for IBM (in sales), and according to his mother, IBM is still bound by M$ contract to do this. That is what I thought. Can you have your friend find out how log this contractual obligation will be in effect? Please post to this list when you find out. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
If I recall correctly, a friend that works for Informix (now part of IBM) said that the contract with Microsoft for their desktop and laptop for business and home/home office lines was just negotiated. I think we are stuck for a while with this. I just sent an email to him to confirm this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows On Monday 10 February 2003 08:23, John Nichel wrote: The mother of a good friend of mine is a VP for IBM (in sales), and according to his mother, IBM is still bound by M$ contract to do this. That is what I thought. Can you have your friend find out how log this contractual obligation will be in effect? Please post to this list when you find out. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
Concurr, in an ads for IBM laptop, I still IBM recommeds Window XP. How insane it would be for one plan of IBM fighting another one? - Original Message - From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:15:19 -0900 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows Re: IBM would be the best bet. Re: Re: sadly, for all the hype coming out of IBM these days about Re: how they're firmly behind linux and are investing bazillions Re: of dollars in it, it appears that you still can't buy a thinkpad Re: that doesn't have windows pre-loaded on it. Re: Re: i'll finally start taking IBM seriously when they sell either Re: a linux-loaded laptop or, even better, a blank one. IBM Re: can certainly talk the talk. time for them to walk the walk. Re: Re: Is it IBM's choice to continue this practice? Re: Or are they still bound by legal contractual obligations to ship with an MS Re: operating system? Re: Re: Same thing with Dell I think. The only way I could get around this last year Re: was to buy a PowerEdge with no OS loaded from their Business sales. Re: Loaded Linux on it and its actually a nice workstation. Re: Re: Anyone know if IBM is contractually bound? I will be in the market for Re: a new Thinkpad soon and would like to know. Re: Re: Re: Re: -- Re: redhat-list mailing list Re: unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe Re: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list LINUX OS of the people by the people from the people -- ___ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
What I've heard on this matter is that the M$ contract states only that builders
can no longer sell empty chassis. There must be AN OS with the computer.
This was to counter the practice of quantity purchasers buying blank boxes,
(and by M$'s concern) loading a single copy of some M$ OS on dozens of
boxes with only one license. But, they would be hauled into court by every
company and State in the US if they went so far as to say it HAD to be an M$ OS.
So they left it as *an* OS knowing full well that theirs would be the most
likely candidate, and thus another sale made.
Not wanting to loose thousands upon thousands from customers not wanting
to spend the extra for the installed OS, BUT, also not wanting to breech or
lose the contract with M$, for these special customers they would build an
empty chassis to the customers' specs, then, just before sealing up the box,
they toss in a floppy containing a copy of free DOS. Thus, they have
met the contract stipulation of providing *an* OS, but not having to charge
the client for the product, or installation.
I haven't confirmed this for myself. But he who told me has a strong purchasing
arrangement with Dell, so, could be. :-)
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Re: Getting Linux on a retail laptop, without paying for Windows
On Monday 10 February 2003 19:46, Tass wrote: What I've heard on this matter is that the M$ contract states only that builders can no longer sell empty chassis. There must be AN OS with the computer. This was to counter the practice of quantity purchasers buying blank boxes, (and by M$'s concern) loading a single copy of some M$ OS on dozens of boxes with only one license. But, they would be hauled into court by every company and State in the US if they went so far as to say it HAD to be an M$ OS. So they left it as *an* OS knowing full well that theirs would be the most likely candidate, and thus another sale made. Not wanting to loose thousands upon thousands from customers not wanting to spend the extra for the installed OS, BUT, also not wanting to breech or lose the contract with M$, for these special customers they would build an empty chassis to the customers' specs, then, just before sealing up the box, they toss in a floppy containing a copy of free DOS. Thus, they have met the contract stipulation of providing *an* OS, but not having to charge the client for the product, or installation. I haven't confirmed this for myself. But he who told me has a strong purchasing arrangement with Dell, so, could be. :-) I have heard this to but I cannot confirm. Remember, these decisions are made by big time businessmen with $$Billions at stake. I called IBM today for fun and talked to a sales rep. He said things like: I feel your pain. Believe me I have lost some million dollar sales because of this issue. There is nothing he can do except take my complaint to his supervisor. (again) Then he joked about the fact I should try to contact Palmisano. hehe Maybe someday folks, we can buy a Thinkpad with Redhat pre-loaded..maybe someday. Things like this change very slowly, especially when there are $$Billions at stake. Andy -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
