Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. I doubt even moving straight from 6.2 to 8.0 would mean 'starting all over again'. No doubt your children need to eat, but the emotional appeal fails to convince me that nothing you learned on 8.0 will apply to 9. Many things I learned on Slackware 1.0 are still applicable to RH 8.0. I doubt the jump to 9 will make that much difference. It's *still* Linux, fer chrissake. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... Or just the problems incurred by upgrading to a new version of dhcpd and having webmin not configure it properly? That happened to me on 7.3 without any sort of version change on the part of Redhat. Sorry, but stuff like that happens and that's why you get paid. If all was glassy smoothness *then* your children would be in trouble because your job would become unnecessary. Change is the only constant in IT and its why people who can deal with it are needed. If you can't handle change then you're in the wrong field. But then, perhaps that's why you need a certificate: to convince people you aren't. Sorry to be so blunt, but I get tired of hearing complaints about a digit and bringing emotional appeals into it makes it even more unpalatable. The only valid complaint I've seen so far has to do with possible issues about someone's RHCE being perceived as outdated by a clueless employer and if this is an insurmountable obstacle in an interview then you weren't very high on the list anyway. Regards, -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
The whole idea of outdating RHCE's at this time is stupid. There is not significant differences between most RH versions since 6.0 to warrant it. Yes, I realize iptables came along, new kernels, and the abandonment of inetd but is that a reason for EOFing RHCE's? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. The bulk of Linux in general is the same. It's not nearly the difference between Netware 3.12 and 4.11 or NT and 2000. And for the price paid, If I had my RHCE for say 7.3, I'd consider myself certified to any employer until after RH9. JAV On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:25, Cliff Wells wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. I doubt even moving straight from 6.2 to 8.0 would mean 'starting all over again'. No doubt your children need to eat, but the emotional appeal fails to convince me that nothing you learned on 8.0 will apply to 9. Many things I learned on Slackware 1.0 are still applicable to RH 8.0. I doubt the jump to 9 will make that much difference. It's *still* Linux, fer chrissake. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... Or just the problems incurred by upgrading to a new version of dhcpd and having webmin not configure it properly? That happened to me on 7.3 without any sort of version change on the part of Redhat. Sorry, but stuff like that happens and that's why you get paid. If all was glassy smoothness *then* your children would be in trouble because your job would become unnecessary. Change is the only constant in IT and its why people who can deal with it are needed. If you can't handle change then you're in the wrong field. But then, perhaps that's why you need a certificate: to convince people you aren't. Sorry to be so blunt, but I get tired of hearing complaints about a digit and bringing emotional appeals into it makes it even more unpalatable. The only valid complaint I've seen so far has to do with possible issues about someone's RHCE being perceived as outdated by a clueless employer and if this is an insurmountable obstacle in an interview then you weren't very high on the list anyway. Regards, -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
They changed to policy on this yesterday. The 2 major number versions now comes from Advanced server numbering. As this is much slower, your RHCE will last alot longer. Mark Quoting Joe Polk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The whole idea of outdating RHCE's at this time is stupid. There is not significant differences between most RH versions since 6.0 to warrant it. Yes, I realize iptables came along, new kernels, and the abandonment of inetd but is that a reason for EOFing RHCE's? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. The bulk of Linux in general is the same. It's not nearly the difference between Netware 3.12 and 4.11 or NT and 2000. And for the price paid, If I had my RHCE for say 7.3, I'd consider myself certified to any employer until after RH9. JAV On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:25, Cliff Wells wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. I doubt even moving straight from 6.2 to 8.0 would mean 'starting all over again'. No doubt your children need to eat, but the emotional appeal fails to convince me that nothing you learned on 8.0 will apply to 9. Many things I learned on Slackware 1.0 are still applicable to RH 8.0. I doubt the jump to 9 will make that much difference. It's *still* Linux, fer chrissake. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... Or just the problems incurred by upgrading to a new version of dhcpd and having webmin not configure it properly? That happened to me on 7.3 without any sort of version change on the part of Redhat. Sorry, but stuff like that happens and that's why you get paid. If all was glassy smoothness *then* your children would be in trouble because your job would become unnecessary. Change is the only constant in IT and its why people who can deal with it are needed. If you can't handle change then you're in the wrong field. But then, perhaps that's why you need a certificate: to convince people you aren't. Sorry to be so blunt, but I get tired of hearing complaints about a digit and bringing emotional appeals into it makes it even more unpalatable. The only valid complaint I've seen so far has to do with possible issues about someone's RHCE being perceived as outdated by a clueless employer and if this is an insurmountable obstacle in an interview then you weren't very high on the list anyway. Regards, -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
Ya did see this right? http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/rhce_faq.html For how long will my RHCE certification be considered current? The validity period for all RHCEs and RHCTs is now officially pegged to the release of the Enterprise product commercially available at the time certification was earned, and certification shall be current until after one (1) major release of the Enterprise product. All RHCEs earned on Red Hat Linux 7.3 or prior will be considered current until the release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS/ES/WS 4. All RHCEs and RHCTs earned on Red Hat Linux 8.0 or 9 will remain current until the release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Validity and current status of an RHCE certificate will continue to be verified at Certification Central. Also redhat hasn't unlisted any version certs a 5.2 RHCE is still a valid RHCE, but redhat can't vouch that he should know stuff on 8.0. On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:34, Joe Polk wrote: The whole idea of outdating RHCE's at this time is stupid. There is not significant differences between most RH versions since 6.0 to warrant it. Yes, I realize iptables came along, new kernels, and the abandonment of inetd but is that a reason for EOFing RHCE's? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. The bulk of Linux in general is the same. It's not nearly the difference between Netware 3.12 and 4.11 or NT and 2000. And for the price paid, If I had my RHCE for say 7.3, I'd consider myself certified to any employer until after RH9. JAV On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:25, Cliff Wells wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. I doubt even moving straight from 6.2 to 8.0 would mean 'starting all over again'. No doubt your children need to eat, but the emotional appeal fails to convince me that nothing you learned on 8.0 will apply to 9. Many things I learned on Slackware 1.0 are still applicable to RH 8.0. I doubt the jump to 9 will make that much difference. It's *still* Linux, fer chrissake. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... Or just the problems incurred by upgrading to a new version of dhcpd and having webmin not configure it properly? That happened to me on 7.3 without any sort of version change on the part of Redhat. Sorry, but stuff like that happens and that's why you get paid. If all was glassy smoothness *then* your children would be in trouble because your job would become unnecessary. Change is the only constant in IT and its why people who can deal with it are needed. If you can't handle change then you're in the wrong field. But then, perhaps that's why you need a certificate: to convince people you aren't. Sorry to be so blunt, but I get tired of hearing complaints about a digit and bringing emotional appeals into it makes it even more unpalatable. The only valid complaint I've seen so far has to do with possible issues about someone's RHCE being perceived as outdated by a clueless employer and if this is an insurmountable obstacle in an interview then you weren't very high on the list anyway. Regards, -- Cliff Wells, Software Engineer Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net) (503) 978-6726 x308 (800) 735-0555 x308 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- Jeff Bearer, RHCE Webmaster, PittsburghLIVE.com -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. I believe that you are mistaking Red Hat Certs for Microsoft Certifications. I believe that the RHCE will be treated quite like the Solaris System Administrator certs. Those are pretty much good for life, with very minor tests to move one up to the latest cert level. Those tests mostly cover things like the newly supported hardware and other New only features. If Red Hat attempted to do what Microsoft is capable of doing, then within 3 years Red Hat Linux wouldn't even look like Linux. They would have to drastically alter each and every administrative tool to the point that one would practically require a brain transplant just to be up to speed. Red Hat simply cannot do that. The Command Line Config tools and the plain text configuration files have remained relatively unchanged for an incredibly lengthy amount of time. If you don't know those CLI tools and how to manually edit a config file, then you are likely in the wrong field. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... All that I have read is that Red Hat is going to drop support on older versions of Red Hat. I am unsure how that relates to losing one's certification as a RHCE, since I have never heard or read anything about RHCEs having a version number attached to their certification. If that's the case, then I am quite certain that recertifying for a newer release really wouldn't be all that expensive. Besides, over time, if one actually follows security protocols and updates EVERY service, file and application based upon security reports... One wouldn't be left with the same Red Hat (or any other Linux distro) machine that they began with. Regards, Robert Adkins II IT Manager/Buyer Impel Industries, Inc. 586-254-5800 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
Mark Hutchinson wrote: They changed to policy on this yesterday. The 2 major number versions now comes from Advanced server numbering. As this is much slower, your RHCE will last alot longer. Which is even better news for those of us who were certed in the 6.2-7.2 days: From the email I recieved: All RHCEs earned on Red Hat Linux 7.3 or prior will be considered current until the release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS/ES/WS 4. and since Enterprise is only on 2.1 right now, that means my 7.0 RHCE is gonna be good for a hella long time. I was afraid I was going to have to talk my new boss into fronting the bill for another RHCE class... Cheers Jeff -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
Nate Golnik wrote: The naming scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your certifications early. This a quote from Pete Childers VP of Global Learning Services (used with permission): RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs. Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps a little. This is reassuring, and was my only qualm on the modified numbering. Looking forward to the modified policy verbiage. Thanks, -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. (from home) PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:24, Rick Johnson wrote: Nate Golnik wrote: The naming scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your certifications early. This a quote from Pete Childers VP of Global Learning Services (used with permission): RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs. Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps a little. This is reassuring, and was my only qualm on the modified numbering. Looking forward to the modified policy verbiage. Thanks, -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. (from home) PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) You might be too if you spent $2500 less than a year ago for certification and coursework that had the potential of lasting less than 1.5 years. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. (from home) PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... If I was just playing around and this was NOT my living, I'd not give a hoot either which way... -- Tue Mar 25 10:35:01 EST 2003 10:35:01 up 3 days, 21:22, 4 users, load average: 0.42, 0.53, 0.51 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells down by the seashore. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:36, Rick Johnson wrote: Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) You might be too if you spent $2500 less than a year ago for certification and coursework that had the potential of lasting less than 1.5 years. -Rick Better than spending over 8k for coursework and tests for an MCSE though(still regretting it, and still paying for it, feeling seriously fsck'd over...) -- J. Tim Willis A Computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
Oh I understand completely. JAV On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 10:30, Joe Polk wrote: We are a sensitive lot, no? :) JAV I'm sensitive mostly because this stuff affects my business - which puts bread and butter on my table and takes care of my kids. This means that I have to ditch the past seven months of mucking around with RH 8.0 and the likes and start all over again - which is literally money spent. Sure, I'm touchy and sensitive - so in thinking pro-actively about my client base and their servers, workstations and issues, I'll have to spend even more time getting a grip on a new version (and I HATE .0 versions) along with all the quirks, foibles and bugs a new version presents... If I was just playing around and this was NOT my living, I'd not give a hoot either which way... -- Tue Mar 25 10:35:01 EST 2003 10:35:01 up 3 days, 21:22, 4 users, load average: 0.42, 0.53, 0.51 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells down by the seashore. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [ADMIN] RHCE and Red Hat Linux 9
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:44, Nate Golnik wrote: The nameing scheme did not have anything to do with trying to expire your certifications early. This a quote from Pete Childers VP of Global Learning Services (used with permission): RHCEs should not worry that the new number scheme will mean their certifications age out earlier. It won't. Modified policies will be forthcoming on the RHCE FAQs. Questions/inquiries should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps a little. Thank you, Nate, this is helpful. Perhaps something like this should have been/be posted to certification central and/or a notice sent to RHCEs? Kind of strikes me as a legitimate use of the system. :^) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
