Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:37:41AM +0800, Edward Dekkers wrote: Other users - seriously - let's not debate over the number hey? Who cares what it's called as long as it works? But that's the point, from my view. I *always* skipped the x.0's (in fact, I skipped the x.1's as well) and reading about them on redhat-list usually comfirmed that decision. Up until now, the x.0 was followed up with *very* stable, compatible versions as point release - most of the time that were the x.2's, with the exception of 7.x - 7.3. 4.2, 5.2, 6.2 and 7.3 were very good, the lot of them. That's why I'm waiting for a stable 8.x, not for another x.0 release, which again has new major problems to be shaken out. Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Some people may argue they are worthless to start off with. On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Billy wrote: Its not the version number that people care about...the RHCE cert is based on version numbers. So the big jump in version numbers makes the cert worthless a lot faster! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Roger wrote: Some people may argue they are worthless to start off with. On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Billy wrote: Its not the version number that people care about...the RHCE cert is based on version numbers. So the big jump in version numbers makes the cert worthless a lot faster! Those people haven't taken the 6 hour exam (mostly labs), and then compared the people who passed to the book-smart people who passed their MCSEs :-) There is *some* value to it if you're framiliar with it. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. (from home) PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
I was just thinking the exact same thing!? As John Stewart says on the daily show Whhh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nichel Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Original Message Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:18:21 - From: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear John: You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support. Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. Learn more about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber: To purchase a Red Hat Network subscription: Thanks again for using Red Hat Linux. We appreciate all feedback from our users and hope you enjoy Red Hat Linux 9. Sincerely, Red Hat -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
It has to be a typo. Ric On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Original Message Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:18:21 - From: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear John: You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support. Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. Learn more about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber: To purchase a Red Hat Network subscription: Thanks again for using Red Hat Linux. We appreciate all feedback from our users and hope you enjoy Red Hat Linux 9. Sincerely, Red Hat -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
I doubt it... http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ric Tibbetts Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] It has to be a typo. Ric On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Original Message Subject: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:18:21 - From: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Red Hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear John: You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support. Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support. Learn more about the benefits of being a Red Hat Network Subscriber: To purchase a Red Hat Network subscription: Thanks again for using Red Hat Linux. We appreciate all feedback from our users and hope you enjoy Red Hat Linux 9. Sincerely, Red Hat -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On 3/24/03 11:39 AM, Ric Tibbetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] spit this out onto my computer screen: It has to be a typo. Ric And if it is not a typo - are these release ISO's? Or a beta of some kind? Dustin -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
I doubt it... http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8? Jody -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Or more specifically from 8.1 ?? I can't see there being 0.9 versions worth of changes since 8.1 (which wasn't even released). This reeks of marketing spin. *sigh* That really makes me sad to see RH pulling a slimey microsoft move. I remember when they (m$) released Visual J and it STARTED at v6.0 so they could release it as part of their Visual Studio environment. This was at best a v1.0 product. Didn't they do that with Word as well? Make it version 6 to compete with WordPerfect 6?? -Original Message- From: Jody Cleveland I doubt it... http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8? Jody -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. Version numbers are for marketing. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8? If it like the beta (8.0.94), here are the release notes: http://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/RELEASE-NOTES From: Jody Cleveland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:01:50 -0600 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I doubt it... http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/ So, does anyone know what's new/ improved/ changed from 8? Jody -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Its not the version number that people care about...the RHCE cert is based on version numbers. So the big jump in version numbers makes the cert worthless a lot faster! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. Version numbers are for marketing. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Ed Wilts wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not? Version numbers are for marketing. Maybe from a sales department prespective, but not from a coding / development standpoint. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 13:26, Ed Wilts wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. Version numbers are for marketing. Actually, they are advertising for a customer service person that will be supporting the rollout of 8.1. So I guess RH said so. :) -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Ed Wilts wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not? I'm even more sure you're wrong :-). There was a release called Phoebe. Nobody from Red Hat said it was a beta of 8.1. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Didn't they do something similar with RH7.3? I mean, didn't it jump from 7.3 to 8.0? I seem to remember a jump of a few ordinals to 8.0. But I could be wrong, can someone correct me? -- J. Tim Willis A Computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:31, Ed Wilts wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Ed Wilts wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:48:24PM -0600, John Nichel wrote: Red Hat 9 What happened to 8.1? Who says there should have been an 8.1? Just because a whole bunch of people assumed the next version number was going to be 8.1 doesn't make it so. Red Hat doesn't pre-announce version numbers, and you just found out why. I'm pretty sure they released a beta for 8.1, did they not? I'm even more sure you're wrong :-). There was a release called Phoebe. Nobody from Red Hat said it was a beta of 8.1. Nonetheless, announcing an open position for someone that will be supporting the release of 8.1 says they were at least at some point planning on an 8.1. Given that as of a few minutes ago anyway, the position is still listed, it gets very confusing. 8.1 and 9.0?? -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Red Hat generally only bumps up the main version number due to binary icompatibilities. That being said, they could do this on a whim if they like. It is merely a ploy to get people to go use their Advanced line of products if they want product stability. A great way to aggrevate their RHCE's too! They will probably a) come out with an RHASCE (Red Hat Advanced Server Certified Engineer) or b) they will have to fix their RHCE program. I certified on 7.2, and was told it would be good for the next 2 major versions, being 8 and 9. I should be good 'till RH10. James -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 15:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Hat generally only bumps up the main version number due to binary icompatibilities. That being said, they could do this on a whim if they like. It is merely a ploy to get people to go use their Advanced line of products if they want product stability. A great way to aggrevate their RHCE's too! They will probably a) come out with an RHASCE (Red Hat Advanced Server Certified Engineer) or b) they will have to fix their RHCE program. I certified on 7.2, and was told it would be good for the next 2 major versions, being 8 and 9. I should be good 'till RH10. Which at the new rate would be this fall -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early]
Didn't they do something similar with RH7.3? I mean, didn't it jump from 7.3 to 8.0? I seem to remember a jump of a few ordinals to 8.0. But I could be wrong, can someone correct me? Yes, that is correct. It usually happend that way though. I remember 5.0, 5.1, 5.2 then jump to 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, then jump to 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 then jump to 8.0. What everybody's on about Tim, is the fact we did a major version jump 8 to 9, without a few point releases (no 8.1, or 8.2). I can understand RHCE people will be fairly pissed off. Other users - seriously - let's not debate over the number hey? Who cares what it's called as long as it works? Regards, --- Edward Dekkers (Director) Triple D Computer Services P/L -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
