Re: KDE and Gnome (was Re: KDE in Gnome)
Doug Lerner, On Sunday July 28, 2002 04:44, you said something about: > So: > > (1) Would a KDE app run faster directly under KDE than in Gnome? Not necessarily run faster, but it would load faster. > (2) Why not design all apps like Netscape so they are > non-desktop-manager-specific? For integration reasons. Being able to reuse code and have consistant look/feel are why there are "Desktop Environments" instead of just Window Managers. > (3) Are both KDE and Gnome equally "active" as far as support and on-going > development and enthusiasm goes? Yup. > (4) Are there KDE/Gnome warz, or are both groups of developers cooperative > with each other? For the most part. It's the users that seem to be more at odds. It's like the emacs vs. vi type of thing. > (5) Which is better? :-) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) There are advantages and disadvantages to each. The beauty is that you have the choice. -- Brian Ashe CTO Dee-Web Software Services, LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: KDE and Gnome (was Re: KDE in Gnome)
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Doug Lerner wrote: > So: > > (1) Would a KDE app run faster directly under KDE than in Gnome? I can't say I've noticed a slow down running K apps under Gnome, or vice versa. There is a definite difference in looks of course. > (2) Why not design all apps like Netscape so they are > non-desktop-manager-specific? It can be argued that it comes down to choice of GUI toolkit. Gnome is GTK, KDE is QT. They look different (as I'm sure you noticed), and behave a bit differently, but on the whole, interoperate. Netscape is done in Motif, and looks uglier than sin :> That said, Motif is present on AIX etc (then again, GTK and QT have been ported all over the place, including Windows). Also note, when I said specific, I meant mostly that the toolkit used was the same, and that the app has integration hooks for that particular desktop manager/window manager. That doesn't mean that it won't work elsewhere. It does mean, of course, that you have to have the appropriate libraries installed - unless the app is statically compiled. > (3) Are both KDE and Gnome equally "active" as far as support and on-going > development and enthusiasm goes? Both are active projects, as evidenced by their websites. > (4) Are there KDE/Gnome warz, or are both groups of developers cooperative > with each other? AFAIK, the developers compete and cooperate - the two are not mutually exclusive. The users on the other hand... > (5) Which is better? :-) Neither and both. They have pretty similiar feature sets, but they also have different options. Play with each one and see which you prefer. I was running KDE, but switched to Gnome to play for a while. I switched to E(nlightenment) briefly today, but gave up after a while because I wasn't interested enough to explore it. One of the key points of difference is choice. Gnome and KDE both look different. KDE is Microsoft-like. Alt-F4 etc work 'out of the compile/install' as they would work in the MS world. As such, KDE is a decent introduction for MS centric users. Gnome on the other hand has its own keystrokes and a different look. And, like many things in this part of the OS world, most, if not all, of the keystroke bindings can be re-configured however you like. I'm still trying to get used to 'double-click the framebar, and it shades up or down', and then use my MS box at work where the same action maximizes/restores. I could change my Linux config, of course, but I choose not to :> ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
KDE and Gnome (was Re: KDE in Gnome)
So: (1) Would a KDE app run faster directly under KDE than in Gnome? (2) Why not design all apps like Netscape so they are non-desktop-manager-specific? (3) Are both KDE and Gnome equally "active" as far as support and on-going development and enthusiasm goes? (4) Are there KDE/Gnome warz, or are both groups of developers cooperative with each other? (5) Which is better? :-) doug On 7/29/02 5:32 AM, "Duncan Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Doug Lerner wrote: > >> What does it mean, though, for there to be KDE desktop themes settings >> from inside Gnome? > > Gnome picks up the entire (or almost entire) KDE configuration tree of menus > etc. Desktop themes happens to be in the KDE menu system, so it gets pulled > in. > >> And about the apps, if they run under either KDE or Gnome, why are they >> called "KDE apps"? > > Because they're distributed (invariably) with the KDE system, and they're > written to integrate right into KDE cleanly. If you start a KDE-specific > app in Gnome via a terminal, you might see stuff about a DCOP server > starting. Afaik, that's part of the glue that drives the KDE system and its > apps. > > Netscape would be an example of a non-desktop-manager-specific app. It has > no hooks to either Gnome or KDE. > > > > ___ > Redhat-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: KDE in Gnome
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Doug Lerner wrote: > What does it mean, though, for there to be KDE desktop themes settings > from inside Gnome? Gnome picks up the entire (or almost entire) KDE configuration tree of menus etc. Desktop themes happens to be in the KDE menu system, so it gets pulled in. > And about the apps, if they run under either KDE or Gnome, why are they > called "KDE apps"? Because they're distributed (invariably) with the KDE system, and they're written to integrate right into KDE cleanly. If you start a KDE-specific app in Gnome via a terminal, you might see stuff about a DCOP server starting. Afaik, that's part of the glue that drives the KDE system and its apps. Netscape would be an example of a non-desktop-manager-specific app. It has no hooks to either Gnome or KDE. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: KDE in Gnome
On 7/29/02 1:22 AM, "Michael Scottaline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What does that mean? > = > That Linux desktops can be versatile. Most KDE apps will easily run w/i > Gnome and vice versa. In fact apps from both will run on just about any > desktop or environment you'd like: Xfce, Icewm, Blackbox, Fluxbox, > Enlightenment, Windowmaker, afterst. (huh, well, you get the point ;)) What does it mean, though, for there to be KDE desktop themes settings from inside Gnome? And about the apps, if they run under either KDE or Gnome, why are they called "KDE apps"? doug ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: KDE in Gnome
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:16:15 +0900 Doug Lerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: >Well, since my old 6 GB HD died I went over to Shinjuku today and got a >new IBM 40 GB HD - just $64! > >Anyway, everything is re-installed. > >Since I had more disk space this time I installed also KDE in addition to >Gnome. But what does it mean that there is a KDE menu inside Gnome? I >thought they were two separate desktop environments. It seems that from >inside Gnome I can access all the KDE menus/apps - even the KDE desktop >theme settings. = Coool, huh ;o) = > >What does that mean? = That Linux desktops can be versatile. Most KDE apps will easily run w/i Gnome and vice versa. In fact apps from both will run on just about any desktop or environment you'd like: Xfce, Icewm, Blackbox, Fluxbox, Enlightenment, Windowmaker, afterst. (huh, well, you get the point ;)) Mike -- BluePoint Brewery, LI --Run a river through your liver!! ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
