RE: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
> -Original Message- > From: Gordon Messmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Rick Johnson wrote: > > > What happened to 8.1? > > > Have you been running the beta? There's a whole LOT of third party > software that ran fine of 8.0, but not on the Phoebe beta > releases. It > seems to be mostly related to the NPTL changes in the kernel > and glibc, > and probably isn't something that can be resolved. > > If binary compatibility isn't possible, then Red Hat is faced with > either the choice to delay significant improvements for another full > year, or put out a new major release, which does not promise total > binary compatibility with Red Hat Linux 8. > > Seems to me like a sensible choice. This is what I've been thinking since I got the email yesterday, too... that something in the RH9 release is incompatible at the binary level with RH8.0. Since that is the traditional hallmark of what version number is given to a release, if glibc is no longer compatible, or the gcc compiler no longer produces binary compatible code, Redhat by their own "rules" HAS to upgrade the major number. Oh, and for those crying about how it broke tradition of having a X.0, X.1, X.2, X.3 release... 7.3 was the first .3 release, IIRC, and I was surprised when I saw a .3 release and not 8.0 then. At the time, I just thought that MAYBE the code was starting to become more stable, and less likely to change (updates, improvements, etc., sure, but the BIG changes were slowing down, or so I thought). I guess I was premature. :( Of course, isn't this the first time that Redhat has ever announced a definite day for release more than a day or so ahead of time? That's a more interesting development from the business side, IMO, as it's part of becoming a "mature" software company to have public release dates (for whatever their worth). In the past Redhat has just said "We'll release it when we decide to." Bill Ward -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
Considering that I'm still having difficulties running my driver correctly under Redhat 8.0 (any updated kernel, as opposed to 7.3, or the 2.4.18 kernel in kernel.org), I would call it oddball. > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:07:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Michael Mansour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented > pace > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 8.0 appears to be an odd ball much like Windows ME > > was for Microsoft. But, > > I'm sure RH has a very good reason for this - they > > seem to know what they > > are doing when "controversial" things like this > > comes about. > > > > -Eric Wood > > I'm using 8.0 on 3 production systems at the moment, > from servicing and supporting RAS, Radius and dialup > links of varying sorts, to proxy squid caching, to > firewalling, to handling of virtual email domains and > system monitoring of various services and servers. > > I've found it to be strong and robust, I wouldn't put > it down to oddball at all. > > Michael. > > > -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
> 8.0 appears to be an odd ball much like Windows ME > was for Microsoft. But, > I'm sure RH has a very good reason for this - they > seem to know what they > are doing when "controversial" things like this > comes about. > > -Eric Wood I'm using 8.0 on 3 production systems at the moment, from servicing and supporting RAS, Radius and dialup links of varying sorts, to proxy squid caching, to firewalling, to handling of virtual email domains and system monitoring of various services and servers. I've found it to be strong and robust, I wouldn't put it down to oddball at all. Michael. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 14:10, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Rick Johnson wrote: > > > What happened to 8.1? > > > Have you been running the beta? There's a whole LOT of third party > software that ran fine of 8.0, but not on the Phoebe beta releases. It > seems to be mostly related to the NPTL changes in the kernel and glibc, > and probably isn't something that can be resolved. > > If binary compatibility isn't possible, then Red Hat is faced with > either the choice to delay significant improvements for another full > year, or put out a new major release, which does not promise total > binary compatibility with Red Hat Linux 8. > > Seems to me like a sensible choice. It seems like amuch less sensible choice when you realize what it does to RHCE certificate expirations. -- Bill Anderson RHCE #807302597505773 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
Martín Marqués wrote: I thought I had heard someone saying that Oracle was asking RedHat to release new series with at least 18 months in between, cause they could catch with the fast releases. This is not good for the Oracle partner indeed. That's what the Red Hat Enterprise Linux series is all about. The Advanced Server/Workstation, etc. etc. has a 12-18 month release cycle. And that's what Oracle is designing their apps around. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
Rick Johnson wrote: What happened to 8.1? Have you been running the beta? There's a whole LOT of third party software that ran fine of 8.0, but not on the Phoebe beta releases. It seems to be mostly related to the NPTL changes in the kernel and glibc, and probably isn't something that can be resolved. If binary compatibility isn't possible, then Red Hat is faced with either the choice to delay significant improvements for another full year, or put out a new major release, which does not promise total binary compatibility with Red Hat Linux 8. Seems to me like a sensible choice. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 12:47, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Red Hat wrote:
> > Dear Colleague:
> >
> > You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your
> > systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you
> > might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users
> > mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have
> > added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release
> > of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support.
>
> What happened to 8.1? I feel that if Red Hat is going to increment in
> Full x.0 release numbers, they're going to obsolete alot of their RHCE's
> much quicker than if they had made this a x.1. IMHO, there isn't enough
> of a difference between 8.0 and this release to justify a 9.0 version
> number, but that Red Hat is simply trying to catch up with other Distros
> such as Mandrake and Suse in order to offer a "comprable" product.
>
> I RHCE'd on 7.3, which would be considered "not current" after a 9.3
> release. However if they've switched to full x.0 releases from here on
> out, I'll be non-current by November 1st, 16 months after receiving the
> cert (going by older release models, it would have been good for 24-36
> months - which one might expect for $795). Even MCSE's typically last
> longer than 16 months...
>
> I'm sure it's purely a marketing decision... but not one I'm happy with
> unless they change their RHCE policy to match.
I'm with Rick on this one. If this was for 8.1, I'd consider (strongly)
purchasing the service. But if it really is for 9, thus leading to an
early obsolescence of my 7.3 cert, I'll not be sending money their way.
IMO, moving directly to 9 would be a mistake of epic proportions in the
marketing field. Not only does it violate the X.{1,2,3}. series model,
it also puts the AS based on the 7.x series far behind in terms of
marketing "Look, their "Advanced" stuff is on something TWO whole
versions old!".
If they do not alter their RHCE program to match the changed release
cycle, this is one RHCE that will not be recertifying when done (at this
rate, this very year!). Nor will I be able to honestly recommend to my
students the RHCE/RHCT programs anymore.
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Re: Red Hat Linux 9 - Obsoleting RHCE's a an unprecidented pace....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a .0 release mainly reflects glibc compatability. Maybe something in glibc upgraded so much that calling it 8.1 would make it be too different than normal convention. 8.0 appears to be an odd ball much like Windows ME was for Microsoft. But, I'm sure RH has a very good reason for this - they seem to know what they are doing when "controversial" things like this comes about. -Eric Wood From: "Rick Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What happened to 8.1? I feel that if Red Hat is going to increment in > Full x.0 release numbers, they're going to obsolete alot of their RHCE's > much quicker than if they had made this a x.1. IMHO, there isn't enough -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
