RedHat 9.0 - The Practical Side
Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0. So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just cause of some version hullaboo. But I want the new release, If it contains gnome 2.2. Heres the rub. When they say binary incompatable, will my /home dir, which is its own partition, mess up a new9.0 istall? should I delete all my /home/Jim/.* files? And does this binary incompatability mean that I wont ever be able to just upgrade rpms on the fly? If not, is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (I dont have a burner.) Basically, I'm game, But does it brown the food? _jim -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? ( I dont have a burner.) mount -tiso9660 disk.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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Not very fancy - but it works (attached shell script). At some point I plan to add an option to specify the mount point if /mnt/iso doesn't exist - but simple as it is, I never got around to it ;) On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 01:39, Willem van der Walt wrote: is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? ( I dont have a burner.) mount -tiso9660 disk.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop -- Michael A. Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/bin/bash mnt=/mnt/iso if [ ! -d $mnt ]; then echo $mnt does not exist exit 1 fi if [ `mount |grep -c /mnt/iso` -gt 0 ]; then echo An ISO image is already mounted on $mnt echo Please choose a different mountpoint exit 1 fi if [ `whoami` = root ]; then mount -o loop -t iso9660 $1 $mnt if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo mount failed exit 1 fi else su root --command=mount -o loop -t iso9660 $1 $mnt if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo mount failed exit 1 fi fi
Re: RedHat 9.0 - The Practical Side
The biggest problem you might run into is some config files in your home directory that have changed spec, but that has only happened to me once - I think when going from a pre 1 version of gnome to a much newer one. If that happens - just delete the config file. What you want to do - copy these files to a floppy: /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/passwd Any data not in your home directory that you want to save, back them up too. Such as /etc/httpd/httpd.conf if you use Apache and have customized it. You might want to save your ssl key too, but I never bother to on a home machine. When you install the new distro, choose your current /home partition with a mount point of /home but DO NOT choose to format it. Let the install go, don't create a new user - just the root user is enough. Boot into single the root account, mount the floppy, and run: cat /mnt/floppy/shadow /etc/shadow cat /mnt/floppy/group /etc/group cat /mnt/floppy/passwd /etc/passwd reboot - and you should be able to log into any of your user accounts just fine. If you don't have a burner - I *really* recommend you have a friend burn the iso's. Really. I don't know where you live, but in California (most of the US I suspect) you can get an IDE cdrw drive for about $50.00 now new. They really have dropped in price. But if you can't afford it, really - get a friend to burn it. You probably want to burn backups of your home directory anyway just in case something goes wrong. If I were you, though - I'd wait to install RH9 until about a month after it has been released. That way you can see pitfalls to avoid - and show stopper bugs have a better chance of having patches easily available. On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 00:36, Jim Wilferling wrote: Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0. So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just cause of some version hullaboo. But I want the new release, If it contains gnome 2.2. Heres the rub. When they say binary incompatable, will my /home dir, which is its own partition, mess up a new9.0 istall? should I delete all my /home/Jim/.* files? And does this binary incompatability mean that I wont ever be able to just upgrade rpms on the fly? If not, is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (I dont have a burner.) Basically, I'm game, But does it brown the food? _jim -- Michael A. Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:12:39AM -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote: The biggest problem you might run into is some config files in your home But these are not binaries and is true of almost any upgrade anyway... What you want to do - copy these files to a floppy: /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/passwd Why? The upgrade should handle this. I have these files successfully upgraded since RH5.0 (every increment since then), and never had a problem. If you don't have a burner - I *really* recommend you have a friend burn the iso's. Really. I'd suggest just installing from the iso images in that case. Much easier. On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 00:36, Jim Wilferling wrote: Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0. So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just cause of some version hullaboo. But I want the new release, If it contains gnome 2.2. Heres the rub. When they say binary incompatable, will my /home dir, which is its own partition, mess up a new9.0 istall? should I delete all my /home/Jim/.* files? And does this binary incompatability mean that I wont ever be able to just upgrade rpms on the fly? If not, is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (I dont have a burner.) It mostly means that rpms build on a RH9 system will not likely run on RH8 or RH7, etc. That's all. RPMs built on older systems should probably still install on RH9 (due to backward compatibility of libs). It's not a big deal. When you went from RH7.x to RH8.0 you hit the same hurdle. The world did not end then did it? Basically, I'm game, But does it brown the food? Just depends. -- Hal Burgiss -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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mount -o loop -t iso9660 isofilename mountpoint Jim Wilferling wrote: Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0. So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just cause of some version hullaboo. But I want the new release, If it contains gnome 2.2. Heres the rub. When they say binary incompatable, will my /home dir, which is its own partition, mess up a new9.0 istall? should I delete all my /home/Jim/.* files? And does this binary incompatability mean that I wont ever be able to just upgrade rpms on the fly? If not, is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (I dont have a burner.) Basically, I'm game, But does it brown the food? _jim -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:36:02 -0800, Jim Wilferling wrote Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0.So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just cause of some version hullaboo. But I want the new release, If it contains gnome 2.2. Heres the rub. When they say binary incompatable, will my /home dir, which is its own partition, mess up a new9.0 istall? should I delete all my /home/Jim/.* files? And does this binary incompatability mean that I wont ever be able to just upgrade rpms on the fly? If not, is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (I dont have a burner.) Basically, I'm game, But does it brown the food? I am a little confused now. Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released? If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (argg...)? If not, will the migration be stable (I worry about old items hanging around corrupting the new stuff)? TIA, Mike. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released? Correct. Please see http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2003-March/029087.html If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (argg...)? If not, will the migration be stable (I worry about old items hanging around corrupting the new stuff)? It's not 9.0. It's 9. I believe that Red Hat is still supporting upgrades - i.e. you can upgrade in place from 8.0 to 9. The documentation will be out soon - it's always released at the same time as the product so in a week you can check for the definitive, supported approach. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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It's not 9.0. It's 9. I believe that Red Hat is still supporting upgrades - i.e. you can upgrade in place from 8.0 to 9. The documentation will be out soon - it's always released at the same time as the product so in a week you can check for the definitive, supported approach. Ok, this sounds good, but (and I'm new, so I just want to doublechec) When you say update in place, does that mean rpm -U ? Yes, I know i should just be getting a burner. But I'm lazy, and I thought I'd keep it down to less than 20 re-installs this month. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:09:11AM -0800, Jim Wilferling wrote: When you say update in place, does that mean rpm -U ? Not really. I mean pop in the CD (or use one of the other installation methods like NFS or FTP) and do an upgrade. Yes, I know i should just be getting a burner. But I'm lazy, and I thought I'd keep it down to less than 20 re-installs this month. Burners are cheaper these days. My 48x burner was $20 after rebate and I've seen them for $10 since. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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Ed Wilts wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released? Correct. Please see http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2003-March/029087.html If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (argg...)? If not, will the migration be stable (I worry about old items hanging around corrupting the new stuff)? It's not 9.0. It's 9. I believe that Red Hat is still supporting upgrades - i.e. you can upgrade in place from 8.0 to 9. The documentation will be out soon - it's always released at the same time as the product so in a week you can check for the definitive, supported approach. If the 9 release is similar to the 8.0.94 iso's I downloaded and installed last week I wouldn't try an upgrade if you have anything other than redhat rpm's installed the release is not binary compatable with Codeweavers Office, or many of the third party binary RPM's I had installed. Something to do with big glibc differences. If you have a machine you have been using for a long time with 8.0, I would wait a while before trying to make the move to 9, (just so that you can give all the third party vendors time to catch up in their FAQ's and HOWTO's). And if you have any add on binary software products like wineX or Codeweavers or Evolution Connector, you should wait until there are Official updates. -Ben. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:51:32 -0500, Ben Russo wrote Ed Wilts wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote: Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released? Correct. Please see http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2003-March/029087.html If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (argg...)? If not, will the migration be stable (I worry about old items hanging around corrupting the new stuff)? It's not 9.0. It's 9. I believe that Red Hat is still supporting upgrades - i.e. you can upgrade in place from 8.0 to 9. The documentation will be out soon - it's always released at the same time as the product so in a week you can check for the definitive, supported approach. If the 9 release is similar to the 8.0.94 iso's I downloaded and installed last week I wouldn't try an upgrade if you have anything other than redhat rpm's installed the release is not binary compatable with Codeweavers Office, or many of the third party binary RPM's I had installed. Something to do with big glibc differences. If you have a machine you have been using for a long time with 8.0, I would wait a while before trying to make the move to 9, (just so that you can give all the third party vendors time to catch up in their FAQ's and HOWTO's). And if you have any add on binary software products like wineX or Codeweavers or Evolution Connector, you should wait until there are Official updates. Of course, official support of RH 8 supposedly will stop after 12/31/03. I think you are correct, however. I am really tired of upgrading. I was looking forward to seeing 8.1 with the hopes it might clean up some stability issues. I think I will hang for several months and then decide what I need to do. Rebuilding systems is starting to be less and less fun. I still run a RH 5.2 system and a RH 7.1 system. However, the RH 5.2 is basically dead since it will not run some newer things. The RH 7.1 will no longer have official support after 12/31/03 also. Maybe one of the more advanced releases might make more sense. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
