Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
WRONG! The FCC will tell you differently,theres much more to it than that.It MUST be TYPE ACCEPTED for the service on which it is used,anything else will expose you to a fine! But hey,its YOUR money,right? 73,Lee - Original Message - From: "Robin McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
WHOA! Dont get caught changing that tag! Only the FCC can certify type acceptance. Does anybody bother reading the rules or do we just make up our own as we go along??? Very scary...73,Lee - Original Message - From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > > Besides the 2PPM ICOM, the FCC label needs to be changed to > the correct FCC type acceptance number. > > Neil - WA6KLA > > Robin McCoy wrote: > > > > You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
derek,it is better to have the radio with his cpu and 2212. they are 3 cpu's G11,g12 and f66 depending also if your radio is scan or no scan 8 or 16 channel ,,,or 2 it is possible to programm them manually,,,but a lot of work. there is the suit case that can do the job, if you have no luck around you ,send me an email,i can do it locally, gervais ve2ckn >From: "Derek B. McIntyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed >Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:59:19 - > >Have several UHF band GE Phoenix radios that I'd like to use at link >hardware for a repeater. I know nothing about them. They work on >the programmed frequency, about 25 watts and 0.35 uV for full >quieting. Are these "good" radios in terms of general operation for >link service? If so, I am looking for someone to ship the proms off >to so I can get them programmed. I also have a GE MLS I think, 2 >channel mobile with a slant face. This looks like a newer model. >Can anyone out there program this, too? > >Thanks, >Derek KC4FWC > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > _ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://fr.ca.search.msn.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
Derek - We can program these, e-mail me direct and we can discuss. 73's Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com > -Original Message- > From: Derek B. McIntyre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:59 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed > > > Have several UHF band GE Phoenix radios that I'd like to use at link > hardware for a repeater. I know nothing about them. They work on > the programmed frequency, about 25 watts and 0.35 uV for full > quieting. Are these "good" radios in terms of general operation for > link service? If so, I am looking for someone to ship the proms off > to so I can get them programmed. I also have a GE MLS I think, 2 > channel mobile with a slant face. This looks like a newer model. > Can anyone out there program this, too? > > Thanks, > Derek KC4FWC > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
It was all over the ham news a few years back,I dont have any details.You might try Newsline or ARRL archives,maybe even the FCC. - Original Message - From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > At 12:16 AM 2/5/04 -0500, you wrote: > > >These are the same idiots that will put commercial frequencies in > >a ham rig. 8 hams were fined at Hamvention for that blunder. > > Can you elaborate on that? > > This is the first I've heard of it. > > Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hybrid Ring Duplexers
Its in the ARRL repeater handbook. 73,Lee - Original Message - From: "w4rfj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hybrid Ring Duplexers > Hi I am looking for information on Hybrid Ring Duplexers... I have > looked on the Web and in the ARRL Handbooks that I own and no Info... > I am interested in learning / analyzing how they work Does anyone > have any info on How to build / or How a Hybrid Ring Duplexer works? > > Thanks in advance! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
As long as its TYPE ACCEPTED for the intended purpose. Anyone with an FCC license should already know this,if not,look it up. END THREAD. - Original Message - From: "Andy Brinkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > Lee - > > I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or > base station) to be used as a repeater. > > I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. > > Andy > > -- > NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A > FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB > http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Why need a commercial community tone board ?
Hi Jim I run a whole linked system on UHF and also two VHF repeaters for my local club. I have repeater panels on my main repeater unfortunately not enough to do all but there is a simple reason for repeater panels-especially commercial ones. I use the ZETRON 38A which has many features too long to go into but the basics are here: Management-Management-Management. With DTMF if sitting at home or RS232 when at the site via a laptopI can do the following. Enable/disable the repeater External relay swithching on given CTCSS \ DCS(ideal for switching in a PA or preamp etc. Program all the standard features such as each of the 50 tones as users or cross tone-change the lengh of the tail-good for linkingetc. Provide a good way to see airtime usage-CW id-good for multiple groups such as emergency radios that do not want to listen to general chat. For testing I can remotely generate any single tone and DTMF digit on command. I can also enable the ANTI-KERCHUNK filters which is very handy. And the list goes on. It is fine to run to the one repeater you own every time it coughs and needs some testing-rEMEMBER FOR US THAT HAVE 11 REPEATERS IT IS WORK-SMART . If you can not get hold of a repeater panel you may want to look at a more simple approach such as NHRC pic repeater controller for the very simple and reliable approach. Kind regards Bradley Glen ZS5WT --- "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jfrohoff wrote: > > >>>Also add a commercial community tone board > >>>with DCS to keep things orderly. > > > > > > Can anyone explain the need for a community tone > board and DCS? I > > understand that some radios allow us to use the > digital coded > > squelch, but why the community tone board? Best I > can tell from > > researching them on the net (and on > repeater-buider site) is that > > they are used when a repeater owner wants to track > usage by different > > groups of people, each assigned a different CTCSS > code or DCS code > > (?), sometimes used for billing purposes. > > > > I am building up a first-time UHF reapeater/remote > for local > > emergency use but am now a bit confused as to > whether I am best to > > buy a simple CTCSS decoder or a whole "community > panel"? > > > > Equipment obtained thus far is a Kenwood UHF > TKR-850 repeater radio > > with Decible Products Duplexer. Thanks in advance > for any comments. > > Jim K7RNR > > > > The primary purpose is to allow the use of more than > one tone/code on > the same system. This is all earlier tone panels > would do. > Secondary purposes, usually reserved for newer > panels, include usage > counts, CW identifiers, and remote control, either > DTMF over the air, or > by RS-232/modem. > Your TKR-850 will do just fine as long you don't > care about usage stats > or remote control (I'm not too familiar with the > -850 to know it's > capabilities, but the -820 was just a basic 8-tone > board with > time-out-timer, no other functions.) > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hybrid Ring Duplexers-Microwave usage
Hi I do have some info but am in a state of go-between into my new radio shack and all is in boxes. For additional info you may want to look under "microwave RF "designs and companies that produce microwave components.All the digital radio channels in long haul microwave systems use rings in their antenna branching (similar to combining) . >From memory there are two paths from the input-one path has a low insertion loss and the other a high insertion loss. there is usually an impedence matching r / L / C circuit to match and the resistor is to broaden the resonance( extremely deep null). In the one path there is a cavity.My rings were made of semi-rigid to minimise leakage-braid is too unstable. They were a challenge and due to the deep nulls extreme temperature changes can affect the workings severely.Thet are challenging to maintain 100 %. Since due to the tower seperation I have resorted to sperate antennas-X200-N and only one RX cavity and all has been working well for years this way. Rings do have up to 4 dB loss- design dependant. Regards Bradley Glen ZS5WT --- w4rfj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi I am looking for information on Hybrid Ring > Duplexers... I have > looked on the Web and in the ARRL Handbooks that I > own and no Info... > I am interested in learning / analyzing how they > work Does anyone > have any info on How to build / or How a Hybrid Ring > Duplexer works? > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Need GE Phoenix Programmed
I have been working with the VHF version and put up a web page with some mods, radio info, and a prom image generator C program. They seem to be nice radios, and its still possible for my tired eyes to see most of the parts!. http://members.shaw.ca/swstuff/phoenix.html I hope this helps with your project. -- = Lawrence Glaister VE7IT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1462 Madrona Drive http://members.shaw.ca/swstuff Nanoose Bay, B.C.http://members.shaw.ca/cncstuff Canada V9P 9C9 http://gspy.sourceforge.net = Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Programming Cable for TKR-850
Yes you can build the cable. But a cable from a Kenwood dealer as much less trouble. On your TKR-850 if you are going to use it for a Ham repeater make sure you get the Ham software from your dealer not the commercial or get both . Great repeater! 73 Russ - Original Message - From: "jfrohoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:42 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Programming Cable for TKR-850 > Can anyone tell me about the programming cable for the Kenwood TKR- > 850. I just purchased the repeater but did not want to pay what > seemed like alot of $$ for a programming cable. I want to be able to > setup the radio when it arrives, so I am going to build up my own > programming cable. > > There is only one small picture in a copy of a manual I have found on > the net that shows the data in/out connections to the radio mic jack. > Does any know if these are true RS232 or TTL signals required? Can I > just use a MAX232 circuit to convert from my DB9 Serial to the RJ > connector on the radio? > > Thanks in advance for any info - Jim K7RNR > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Why need a commercial community tone board ?
jfrohoff wrote: >>>Also add a commercial community tone board >>>with DCS to keep things orderly. > > > Can anyone explain the need for a community tone board and DCS? I > understand that some radios allow us to use the digital coded > squelch, but why the community tone board? Best I can tell from > researching them on the net (and on repeater-buider site) is that > they are used when a repeater owner wants to track usage by different > groups of people, each assigned a different CTCSS code or DCS code > (?), sometimes used for billing purposes. > > I am building up a first-time UHF reapeater/remote for local > emergency use but am now a bit confused as to whether I am best to > buy a simple CTCSS decoder or a whole "community panel"? > > Equipment obtained thus far is a Kenwood UHF TKR-850 repeater radio > with Decible Products Duplexer. Thanks in advance for any comments. > Jim K7RNR > The primary purpose is to allow the use of more than one tone/code on the same system. This is all earlier tone panels would do. Secondary purposes, usually reserved for newer panels, include usage counts, CW identifiers, and remote control, either DTMF over the air, or by RS-232/modem. Your TKR-850 will do just fine as long you don't care about usage stats or remote control (I'm not too familiar with the -850 to know it's capabilities, but the -820 was just a basic 8-tone board with time-out-timer, no other functions.) -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CM-51 LPA
Roger, is this the replacement for the ICC AM-6154 and 6155 series equipment? I have one of each and besides a couple early smokes tests they work well in the 6-700 watt range after mods. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > the CM-51 is a UHF (225-400 MHz)LPA designed to boost AM signals from 10 > watts to 50 watts @ 100% modulation. > > This amplifier is of recent MOTOROLA production and is currently used by the > FAA and the USAF for air trafic control. > > the technical manual is FAA publication TI 6610.18 and has an NSN fof > 0056-00-480-0237. > > Roger Hansen, W6TOZ, > RF Comm Engr, Northwest Mountain Region, FAA -- 73...Clark Beckman N8PZD Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Audio Recorder
Can anyone tell Me of a Software that would let Me take a old computer and a sound card and use that on a repeater, Would like one with a Time and Date stamp . Thanks Don KA9QJG/R Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola CM-51 LPA
the CM-51 is a UHF (225-400 MHz)LPA designed to boost AM signals from 10 watts to 50 watts @ 100% modulation. This amplifier is of recent MOTOROLA production and is currently used by the FAA and the USAF for air trafic control. the technical manual is FAA publication TI 6610.18 and has an NSN fof 0056-00-480-0237. Roger Hansen, W6TOZ, RF Comm Engr, Northwest Mountain Region, FAA Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Programming Cable for TKR-850
There is a schematic on kenwood2-way for the programming cable and by the waythe cable is the expensive part...the software is half the price of the cable. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Politics is the art of appearing candid and completely open, while concealing as much as possible. -States: The Bene Gesserit View -Original Message- From: mch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:51 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Programming Cable for TKR-850 (cough) eBay (cough) Joe M. Derek B. McIntyre wrote: > > You will probably have to purchase the cable from a Kenwood dealer. > The same cable programs TK-880's as well. They have an IC in the > hood of the DB-25 connector. Would probably be difficult to > duplicate. The cable doesn't cost that much. The software is what > costs. Contact me off list if you need any "help" with that. > > Derek KC4FWC Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Programming Cable for TKR-850
(cough) eBay (cough) Joe M. Derek B. McIntyre wrote: > > You will probably have to purchase the cable from a Kenwood dealer. > The same cable programs TK-880's as well. They have an IC in the > hood of the DB-25 connector. Would probably be difficult to > duplicate. The cable doesn't cost that much. The software is what > costs. Contact me off list if you need any "help" with that. > > Derek KC4FWC Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
The 460 MHz band: Mobile and control stations are required to be 0.0005% tolerance (5PPM) Base and repeater (mobile relay) stations are required to be 0.0002% tolerance (2PPM) In each case, the FCC Type Acceptance Number must be on the associated label on the equipment. Also, certain equipment may be licensed only for certain radio services. Please read the information below as posted by Russ Stafford yesterday: Russ Stafford wrote: > > While you are on the subject. > Make sure it is FCC type accepted for part 95 this also covers > GMRS. Part 90 is business. We has some very nice people at one > of our tower sites using a nice repeater that was not type > accepted for part 95 that was on GMRS. We require that a copy > of the FCC license be on every box. The FCC was at the site on > a totally unrelated problem and noted the GMRS ticket on the box. > A quick call back to his office to confirm. Well the bottom line > is the system is off the air and we lost the guys cutting the > grass in trade for some tower space. > Good luck on your GMRS repeater. > But put up a real repeater > 73 Russ > 73, Neil McKie - WA6KLA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Question. Are business band radio's not FCC type accepted in the > GRMS band? I was pondering setting up a repeater on GRMS. I had > assumed that the Business Band FCC type radios would be accepted > on GRMS? Is that not true? > Or just that the radio's were configured for Business band but > were not stock for GRMS. > > Kent (KC0PCA) > > - Original Message - > From: "Johnny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > > > The first you need to ask is if they are type excepted for > > repeater use on the GMRS freqs. > > I have yet to see any regular moblie radio's, from the factory, > > that were type accepted for use as a repeater in the gmrs area. > > Johnny > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Programming Cable for TKR-850
You will probably have to purchase the cable from a Kenwood dealer. The same cable programs TK-880's as well. They have an IC in the hood of the DB-25 connector. Would probably be difficult to duplicate. The cable doesn't cost that much. The software is what costs. Contact me off list if you need any "help" with that. Derek KC4FWC Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Why need a commercial community tone board ?
I've always used the community type panel (Zetron controllers) when there is a community. Several systems I owned had multiple users, so user A could only hear his other users with THEIR tone, user B could only hear his other users with their different tone, etc. Also, should they fail to pay their monthly bill, one simply disables that specific tone and their radios don't go through the repeater. Unless you need separation between the users, I see no need for a community type panel. Good Luck Daron J. Wilson, RCDD ) ) Telecom Manager ( ( LH Morris Electric, Inc. ) ) (541) 265-8067 office _|| mmm! (541) 265-7652 fax ( || coffee! (541) 270-5886 cellular \|| [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| > -Original Message- > From: jfrohoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:30 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Why need a commercial community tone board ? > > >> Also add a commercial community tone board > >> with DCS to keep things orderly. > > Can anyone explain the need for a community tone board and DCS? I > understand that some radios allow us to use the digital coded > squelch, but why the community tone board? Best I can tell from > researching them on the net (and on repeater-buider site) is that > they are used when a repeater owner wants to track usage by different > groups of people, each assigned a different CTCSS code or DCS code > (?), sometimes used for billing purposes. > > I am building up a first-time UHF reapeater/remote for local > emergency use but am now a bit confused as to whether I am best to > buy a simple CTCSS decoder or a whole "community panel"? > > Equipment obtained thus far is a Kenwood UHF TKR-850 repeater radio > with Decible Products Duplexer. Thanks in advance for any comments. > Jim K7RNR > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Actually there aren't any specs that say that. What you have to make sure is that the tolerance specs from the transceivers used meet or exceed the specifications required under repeater service. Real repeaters usually have much tighter freq. drift error specs.. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Politics is the art of appearing candid and completely open, while concealing as much as possible. -States: The Bene Gesserit View -Original Message- From: Andy Brinkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Lee - I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or base station) to be used as a repeater. I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com > -Original Message- > From: Lee Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:23 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > > > Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater > use in the GMRS > or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see > www.fcc.gov > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Service Manual Needed
Greetings, I am looking to purchase or copy a service manual for a Motorola Amplifier: CM-51 50 Watt UHF Linear Power Amplifier Motorola GSTG FSCM: 62733. 400 va, 115-230 vac, 50-60 hz, serial A009 Thanks for your help! Sincerely, Jeffrey Peters, K9JP Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Question. Are business band radio's not FCC type accepted in the GRMS band? I was pondering setting up a repeater on GRMS. I had assumed that the Business Band FCC type radios would be accepted on GRMS? Is that not true? Or just that the radio's were configured for Business band but were not stock for GRMS. Kent (KC0PCA) - Original Message - From: "Johnny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > The first you need to ask is if they are type excepted for repeater use > on the GMRS freqs. > I have yet to see any regular moblie radio's, from the factory, that > were type accepted for use as a repeater in the gmrs area. > Johnny > > > Jim B. wrote: > > norton yu wrote: > > > >>Hello all, > >> > >>I am new to the group and am interested in building a > >>repeater for GMRS use. > >> > >>I was told that I will need two identical radios with > >>controller and dupluxer etc,but can someone explain a > >>little more? > >> > >>I have two Kenwood TK-805D mobile radios and are they > >>suitable for this task or what are my options? > >> > >>Any input will be very much appreciated! > >> > > > > > > Barely-the important thing is that, on the one you use for transmit, > > KEEP THE POWER DOWN to abt 10-12 W And at that you should put a fan > > on the heatsink. > > You'd be better off finding something like a Mitrek or Micor or Mastr II > > turnk-mount mobile, or best, a real station (MSR-2000 is roughly > > equivalent to a Mitrek mobile), and making a repeater out of it. They > > are easy to duplex and interface to a tone panel. Also they have much > > better receivers for high profile sites. > > Besides, those radios are too nice to tie up on a fixed frequency > > repeater. I use a 705D and an 805D in the car, and it sure is nice to > > have the field programmability. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Maxon PM100
I am looking at building a UHF repeater using two Maxon PM100 radios, however I require the following and was wondering if anyone could help me out: 1. Where can a buy a programing lead, or get schematic to build one 2. Where can I get programming software 3. Pinout details for the mic socket 73's Allan - MM1BJP Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Hybrid Ring Duplexers
Hi I am looking for information on Hybrid Ring Duplexers... I have looked on the Web and in the ARRL Handbooks that I own and no Info... I am interested in learning / analyzing how they work Does anyone have any info on How to build / or How a Hybrid Ring Duplexer works? Thanks in advance! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Why need a commercial community tone board ?
>> Also add a commercial community tone board >> with DCS to keep things orderly. Can anyone explain the need for a community tone board and DCS? I understand that some radios allow us to use the digital coded squelch, but why the community tone board? Best I can tell from researching them on the net (and on repeater-buider site) is that they are used when a repeater owner wants to track usage by different groups of people, each assigned a different CTCSS code or DCS code (?), sometimes used for billing purposes. I am building up a first-time UHF reapeater/remote for local emergency use but am now a bit confused as to whether I am best to buy a simple CTCSS decoder or a whole "community panel"? Equipment obtained thus far is a Kenwood UHF TKR-850 repeater radio with Decible Products Duplexer. Thanks in advance for any comments. Jim K7RNR Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Icom IC-FR4000 and Motorola GR1225 Repeater
hi all lest see am thinking to buy repeater for small ham groups it hard to find good one with cheep price i look around i find the two repeaters Icom IC-FR4000 and Motorola GR1225 Repeater so any did one use these repeaters can give me review or input are these good or bad repeaters and continuous duty Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Maxon PM100
I am looking at building a UHF repeater using two Maxon PM100 radios, however I require the following and was wondering if anyone could help me out: 1. Where can a buy a programing lead, or get schematic to build one 2. Where can I get programming software 3. Pinout details for the mic socket 73's Allan - MM1BJP Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Icom IC-FR4000 vs GR1225 Repeater for ham use
hi all lest see am thinking to buy repeater for small ham groups it hard to find good one with cheep price i look around i find the two repeaters Icom IC-FR4000 and Motorola GR1225 Repeater so any did one use these repeaters can give me review or input are these good or bad repeaters and continuous duty Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola CM-51 LPA
Greetings, Would anyone have a service manual or any other info for a: Motorola CM-51 50 Watt UHF Linear Power Amplifier. Motorola GSTG FSCM: 62733. 400 va, 115-230 vac, 50-60 hz, serial A009 Thanks for your time and help! Please contact me off the list. 73, Jeff - K9JP Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Programming Cable for TKR-850
Can anyone tell me about the programming cable for the Kenwood TKR- 850. I just purchased the repeater but did not want to pay what seemed like alot of $$ for a programming cable. I want to be able to setup the radio when it arrives, so I am going to build up my own programming cable. There is only one small picture in a copy of a manual I have found on the net that shows the data in/out connections to the radio mic jack. Does any know if these are true RS232 or TTL signals required? Can I just use a MAX232 circuit to convert from my DB9 Serial to the RJ connector on the radio? Thanks in advance for any info - Jim K7RNR Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Lee - I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or base station) to be used as a repeater. I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com > -Original Message- > From: Lee Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:23 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > > > Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater > use in the GMRS > or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see > www.fcc.gov > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
Send Chips with info - will pgm. Be sure chips you send are from a working radio. www.bosshardradio.com steve nu5d Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
GE Phoenix / IRLP hookup info: http://www.qsl.net/n1nte/ge_phoenix_irlp.html - Rob, N1NTE At 08:36 AM 2/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I use GE Phoenix for quite a few things. They should work just fine for >IRLP. I don't have any of my papers here, but if you do a search on >google you should be able to find the wiring for them. > >They are active high cas. > >Corey > > > Have several UHF band GE Phoenix radios that I'd like to use at link > > hardware for a repeater. I know nothing about them. They work on the > > programmed frequency, about 25 watts and 0.35 uV for full > > quieting. Are these "good" radios in terms of general operation for > > link service? If so, I am looking for someone to ship the proms off to > > so I can get them programmed. I also have a GE MLS I think, 2 channel > > mobile with a slant face. This looks like a newer model. Can anyone > > out there program this, too? > > > > Thanks, > > Derek KC4FWC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
I use GE Phoenix for quite a few things. They should work just fine for IRLP. I don't have any of my papers here, but if you do a search on google you should be able to find the wiring for them. They are active high cas. Corey > Have several UHF band GE Phoenix radios that I'd like to use at link > hardware for a repeater. I know nothing about them. They work on the > programmed frequency, about 25 watts and 0.35 uV for full > quieting. Are these "good" radios in terms of general operation for > link service? If so, I am looking for someone to ship the proms off to > so I can get them programmed. I also have a GE MLS I think, 2 channel > mobile with a slant face. This looks like a newer model. Can anyone > out there program this, too? > > Thanks, > Derek KC4FWC > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Need GE Phoenix Programmed
Have several UHF band GE Phoenix radios that I'd like to use at link hardware for a repeater. I know nothing about them. They work on the programmed frequency, about 25 watts and 0.35 uV for full quieting. Are these "good" radios in terms of general operation for link service? If so, I am looking for someone to ship the proms off to so I can get them programmed. I also have a GE MLS I think, 2 channel mobile with a slant face. This looks like a newer model. Can anyone out there program this, too? Thanks, Derek KC4FWC Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Besides the 2PPM ICOM, the FCC label needs to be changed to the correct FCC type acceptance number. Neil - WA6KLA Robin McCoy wrote: > > You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. > > -Original Message- > From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:23 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > > Are they being used on the ham bands or on GMRS ??? > Johnny > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and > > Motorola Mitreks are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there > > not built to be repeaters but wow. > > If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being > > fined. > > > > JOHN B > > > > Quoting Lee Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS > >>or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see > >>www.fcc.gov > >> > >>--- Original Message - > >>From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? > >> > >> > >> > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > Johnny, > I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a > >>> > >>repeater. I > >> > know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be > >>> > >>turned down > >> > a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. > >>> > >>>No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, > >>>but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For > >>>repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. > >>>-- > >>>Jim Barbour > >>>WD8CHL > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Are they being used on the ham bands or on GMRS ??? Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks > are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. > If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being > fined. > > JOHN B > > Quoting Lee Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >>Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS >>or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see >>www.fcc.gov >> >>--- Original Message - >>From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? >> >> >> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a >>> >>repeater. I >> know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be >>> >>turned down >> a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. >>> >>>No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, >>>but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For >>>repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. >>>-- >>>Jim Barbour >>>WD8CHL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
I use mine on GMRS! Robin -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Are they being used on the ham bands or on GMRS ??? Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks > are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. > If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being > fined. > > JOHN B > > Quoting Lee Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >>Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS >>or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see >>www.fcc.gov >> >>--- Original Message - >>From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? >> >> >> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a >>> >>repeater. I >> know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be >>> >>turned down >> a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. >>> >>>No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, >>>but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For >>>repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. >>>-- >>>Jim Barbour >>>WD8CHL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Celwave duplexer
Eric, Thanks for the info. Looks like it will probably become trading material.. 73, Al, K9SI >Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:51:26 -0800 >From: Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Celwave duplexer > > Al, > > The Motorola part number HFD8457A is a VHF mobile notch-type duplexer > made by RFS/Celwave. The Celwave part number is 636-6A-5-3. It is for > 150-160 MHz, with 4.5 MHz minimum spacing between TX and RX. It is the > standard duplexer used in GR1225, RKR1225, and GR400 repeaters. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > Al Wolfe wrote: > > > > I have a Celwave duplexer, number HFD8457A, and no info about it. It's a small six cavity unit, probably mobile, and probably 450 or 800 MHz... Anyone got a clue as to what this is?... > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
