[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q-318 dup.s?

2009-03-05 Thread georgiaskywarn
Hi Folks,
Trying to find some info on dup.s I got a t a hamfest this past weekend.  I 
believe they are Sinclair Q-318 dup.s.  4 cans, about 7" round and about 12.5" 
high.  Has the fine and coarse tuning. 

Looks like the cables have been mod'ed with rg214 cables and *was* on 
443.725/448.725.  

Looking to possibly cut cables to 449.600/444.600.  Might not need to, but need 
formula to check these.

Everything points to the Q series of dup.s
Thanks,
Robert
KD4YDC



Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Most of mine do DPL.

Chuck
WB2EDV

- Original Message - 
From: "MCH" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL


> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and 
> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for codes 
> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.
> 
>


[Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 TPN1189A Power supply schematic needed.

2009-03-05 Thread wa5luy
Our MSR 2000 has a TPN1189A power supply in stead of the TPN1191 listed in the 
manual and on Repeater-Builder. I need a schematic for this PS. 

Any help would be appreciated.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread no6b
At 3/4/2009 22:26, you wrote:
>You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
>like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for codes
>for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.

Perhaps this is region dependent.  Most radios made for the past several 
years can encode DPL, & most hams I know around here use fairly recent 
equipment.  In fact I feel like a throwback sometimes, sticking with my 
older equipment - I sometimes get comments about my "ancient" Alinco 
G5T.  Yet I have radios in the car & here in the shack that will do DPL.

I think the main reason DPL is only used on one or two systems here (out of 
nearly a thousand) is because it's considered not worth the trouble given 
that most can encode it, & would inconvenience those who still use older 
equipment that can't make it.  There's also an issue with several radio 
models not implementing DPL properly: when encoding they also force decode 
of the same DPL code, making the feature useless on any repeater than 
doesn't regenerate the same DPL code.  Of those one or two systems here 
that use DPL, none regenerate.

Bob NO6B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I still have, and occasionally use, my Icom IC-4AT and Tempo S1 hand held 
radios - both have thumbwheel frequency selection for those who don't know 
what they are. Sometimes I wish they still made simple radios like that, but 
a little smaller. Great on batteries - goes for days, not hours.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

>   In fact I feel like a throwback sometimes, sticking with my
> older equipment - I sometimes get comments about my "ancient" Alinco
> G5T.  Yet I have radios in the car & here in the shack that will do DPL.
>



[Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Joe
Ahh, the Tempo S1!  You could always tell when someone had one of these 
because of the "Tempo Ping" when you went to transmit and the PLL 
locked.  I still have my S1T on the shelf and I'm looking for the 
extendable antenna for it that I lost.  I can't bring myself to getting 
rid of it.

It's a shame that they don't make radios with different built-in 
personalties.  I would like to have several to choose from, dumb, 
moderately complicated, experienced and super user.  With each 
personality would come features.  The dumb mode would be a simple radio, 
no bells and whistles, just a plain communicator.  All the features 
would be turned off and a simple programming mode would be used.  As you 
got more familiar with the features, you could advance through the 
personalities, (or just stay in the dumb mode). 

I would also like the ability to enable or disable individual features 
on a radio as I wanted.  This would greater simplify the radio during an 
emergency situation and eliminate the possibilities of putting your 
radio into an unknown mode of operation.  Been there, done that.  I 
"butt-dialed" my Yaesu VX7-R into the spectrum analyzer mode when I sat 
down during a drill. It took a while to disable this feature that I 
rarely use.

73, Joe, K1ike

Chuck Kelsey wrote:
> I still have, and occasionally use, my Icom IC-4AT and Tempo S1 hand held 
> radios - both have thumbwheel frequency selection for those who don't know 
> what they are. Sometimes I wish they still made simple radios like that, but 
> a little smaller. Great on batteries - goes for days, not hours.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>   




Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Of course you did the mod on yours to allow external CTCSS encode selection 
with a DIP switch mounted in the PTT bar, didn't you?

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: "Joe" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)


> Ahh, the Tempo S1!  You could always tell when someone had one of these
> because of the "Tempo Ping" when you went to transmit and the PLL
> locked.  I still have my S1T on the shelf and I'm looking for the
> extendable antenna for it that I lost.  I can't bring myself to getting
> rid of it.
>
> 


[Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater

2009-03-05 Thread wb0vhb
Anyone know if the UHF version will do 444 MHz?

Is the programming software and programming cable available or can someone 
program this unit?

Randy




RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Jeff DePolo
> Ahh, the Tempo S1! You could always tell when someone had one 
> of these 
> because of the "Tempo Ping" when you went to transmit and the PLL 
> locked. I still have my S1T on the shelf and I'm looking for the 
> extendable antenna for it that I lost. I can't bring myself 
> to getting 
> rid of it.

A lot of Kenwood radios, even fairly current-vintage ones, do this too.  You
can hear the VCO settle on frequency when the PTT is first keyed.  The
oscillation sounds like it's up around 3 or 4 kHz and dampens out to an
inaudible level after maybe a second.

> I would also like the ability to enable or disable individual 
> features 
> on a radio as I wanted. This would greater simplify the radio 
> during an 
> emergency situation and eliminate the possibilities of putting your 
> radio into an unknown mode of operation. 

Yeah, I agree.  Some of the radios that I own I hate because you have to go
through menus for even simple things like PL selection, which is a royal
PITA while you're driving.  Give me an X9000 with MPL, scan, and monitor
buttons and I'm happy...

--- Jeff



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater

2009-03-05 Thread DCFluX
Says on the brochure it is 450-470. You would need a VPL-1 programing
cable and CE-22 software.

This is not a true full duplex repeater, this is basically a glorified
link radio that is meant to be connected to another radio inside the
vehicle, so that a handheld can use the car's radio.



On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:04 AM, wb0vhb  wrote:
> Anyone know if the UHF version will do 444 MHz?
>
> Is the programming software and programming cable available or can someone 
> program this unit?
>
> Randy
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Paul Plack
This is a real issue for some new hams. They get inspired to participate in 
local emergency groups, attend classes, get their Tech license, then go looking 
for the "most bang for the buck" in a handheld. Some get so discouraged at the 
complexity of their radios they're never heard from again.

Learning the radio is now more daunting than passing the license exam.

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff DePolo 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)


  Yeah, I agree. Some of the radios that I own I hate because you have to go
  through menus for even simple things like PL selection, which is a royal
  PITA while you're driving. Give me an X9000 with MPL, scan, and monitor
  buttons and I'm happy...

  --- Jeff


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater

2009-03-05 Thread Dean Endicott
I believe 1 software version will allow you to program out of band. The other 
software versions would not. You will need the programming cable VPL-1. It has 
been a while since I programmed one, but I think it will drop power a very 
small amount. It is actually a cross band repeater you add to a mobile radio 
and will work with any radio. It is a nice little unit. 
 
Dean.

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, wb0vhb  wrote:

From: wb0vhb 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:04 PM






Anyone know if the UHF version will do 444 MHz?

Is the programming software and programming cable available or can someone 
program this unit?

Randy
















Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater

2009-03-05 Thread Dean Endicott
I can also program it for you. 
 
Dean.

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, wb0vhb  wrote:

From: wb0vhb 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-1000 Vehicle Repeater
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:04 PM






Anyone know if the UHF version will do 444 MHz?

Is the programming software and programming cable available or can someone 
program this unit?

Randy
















Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread MCH
I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS 
ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS. Again, I said 'most radios', not all 
radios. Yes, many recent models do include CDCSS.

Joe M.

n...@no6b.com wrote:
> At 3/4/2009 22:26, you wrote:
>> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
>> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for codes
>> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.
> 
> Perhaps this is region dependent.  Most radios made for the past several 
> years can encode DPL, & most hams I know around here use fairly recent 
> equipment.  In fact I feel like a throwback sometimes, sticking with my 
> older equipment - I sometimes get comments about my "ancient" Alinco 
> G5T.  Yet I have radios in the car & here in the shack that will do DPL.
> 
> I think the main reason DPL is only used on one or two systems here (out of 
> nearly a thousand) is because it's considered not worth the trouble given 
> that most can encode it, & would inconvenience those who still use older 
> equipment that can't make it.  There's also an issue with several radio 
> models not implementing DPL properly: when encoding they also force decode 
> of the same DPL code, making the feature useless on any repeater than 
> doesn't regenerate the same DPL code.  Of those one or two systems here 
> that use DPL, none regenerate.
> 
> Bob NO6B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread Rick Szajkowski
its about time the new 'ham' radios support encode and decode CTCSS (pl)

I hate to have to buy  and extra board to support encode

I would like to run our repeater in PL mode but a lot of our users have
older radios with out encode

the fun debate about CTCSS and CDCSS

Thanks to the group for a good read !

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM, MCH  wrote:

>   I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS
> ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS. Again, I said 'most radios', not all
> radios. Yes, many recent models do include CDCSS.
>
>
> Joe M.
>
> n...@no6b.com  wrote:
> > At 3/4/2009 22:26, you wrote:
> >> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
> >> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for codes
> >> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.
> >
> > Perhaps this is region dependent. Most radios made for the past several
> > years can encode DPL, & most hams I know around here use fairly recent
> > equipment. In fact I feel like a throwback sometimes, sticking with my
> > older equipment - I sometimes get comments about my "ancient" Alinco
> > G5T. Yet I have radios in the car & here in the shack that will do DPL.
> >
> > I think the main reason DPL is only used on one or two systems here (out
> of
> > nearly a thousand) is because it's considered not worth the trouble given
>
> > that most can encode it, & would inconvenience those who still use older
> > equipment that can't make it. There's also an issue with several radio
> > models not implementing DPL properly: when encoding they also force
> decode
> > of the same DPL code, making the feature useless on any repeater than
> > doesn't regenerate the same DPL code. Of those one or two systems here
> > that use DPL, none regenerate.
> >
> > Bob NO6B
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  
>


Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread Paul Plack
How did those older users get the idea that their Regency HR2's would be the 
last purchase they'd have to make as hams? Are they still grumbling about the 
FCC outlawing spark-gap?

I'd love to run my repeater using FM, but all the guys with the Heathkit 
lunchboxes would stop paying dues, yada yada. I'm beginning to think 
electrolytic caps drying out is a gift-in-disguise for repeater operators.

Perhaps we've created some unintended expectations through poor public policy 
choices. Maybe we need $40 government coupons good toward TS-32s.

Now, get off my lawn! ;^)

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Szajkowski 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL


  I would like to run our repeater in PL mode but a lot of our users have older 
radios with out encode...

  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM, MCH  wrote:

I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS 
ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS...



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Most of the new ham radios support at least encode CTCSS.

Anyone still using an old radio that does not have CTCSS encode needs 
to upgrade or get it installed.

-- Original Message --
Received: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:24:12 PM PST
From: Rick Szajkowski 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

> its about time the new 'ham' radios support encode and decode CTCSS (pl)
> 
> I hate to have to buy  and extra board to support encode
> 
> I would like to run our repeater in PL mode but a lot of our users have
> older radios with out encode
> 
> the fun debate about CTCSS and CDCSS
> 
> Thanks to the group for a good read !
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM, MCH  wrote:
> 
> >   I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS
> > ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS. Again, I said 'most radios', not all
> > radios. Yes, many recent models do include CDCSS.
> >
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> > n...@no6b.com  wrote:
> > > At 3/4/2009 22:26, you wrote:
> > >> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
> > >> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for
codes
> > >> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this is region dependent. Most radios made for the past several
> > > years can encode DPL, & most hams I know around here use fairly recent
> > > equipment. In fact I feel like a throwback sometimes, sticking with my
> > > older equipment - I sometimes get comments about my "ancient" Alinco
> > > G5T. Yet I have radios in the car & here in the shack that will do DPL.
> > >
> > > I think the main reason DPL is only used on one or two systems here
(out
> > of
> > > nearly a thousand) is because it's considered not worth the trouble
given
> >
> > > that most can encode it, & would inconvenience those who still use
older
> > > equipment that can't make it. There's also an issue with several radio
> > > models not implementing DPL properly: when encoding they also force
> > decode
> > > of the same DPL code, making the feature useless on any repeater than
> > > doesn't regenerate the same DPL code. Of those one or two systems here
> > > that use DPL, none regenerate.
> > >
> > > Bob NO6B
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >  
> >
> 





Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread AJ
HAHAHAHA Gov't coupons for TS-32s LOL...

I run cross tones... Inverted DPL input, 110.9 PL output for normal
operation, same Inverted DPL input, standard DPL output for special
events/call outs... Let's users keep their radios muted from the regular rag
chew traffic during the day by setting the radio to the DPL decode. Also
strip CWID entirely of signaling.





On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Paul Plack  wrote:

>How did those older users get the idea that their Regency HR2's would
> be the last purchase they'd have to make as hams? Are they still grumbling
> about the FCC outlawing spark-gap?
>
> I'd love to run my repeater using FM, but all the guys with the Heathkit
> lunchboxes would stop paying dues, yada yada. I'm beginning to think
> electrolytic caps drying out is a gift-in-disguise for repeater operators.
>
> Perhaps we've created some unintended expectations through poor public
> policy choices. Maybe we need $40 government coupons good toward TS-32s.
>
> Now, get off my lawn! ;^)
>
> 73,
> Paul, AE4KR
>
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Rick Szajkowski 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>  *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL
>
>  I would like to run our repeater in PL mode but a lot of our users have
> older radios with out encode...
>  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM, MCH  wrote:
>
>>I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS
>> ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS...
>>
>>
>>
>>
> .
>
>  
>


Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread JOHN MACKEY
On my two meter repeater we used to require one PL tone for repeater access
and a different PL tone for DTMF commands (including autopatch access).

The repeater generated the normal PL tone for repeater access.

-- Original Message --
Received: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:55:07 PM PST
From: AJ 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

> HAHAHAHA Gov't coupons for TS-32s LOL...
> 
> I run cross tones... Inverted DPL input, 110.9 PL output for normal
> operation, same Inverted DPL input, standard DPL output for special
> events/call outs... Let's users keep their radios muted from the regular
rag
> chew traffic during the day by setting the radio to the DPL decode. Also
> strip CWID entirely of signaling.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Paul Plack  wrote:
> 
> >How did those older users get the idea that their Regency HR2's would
> > be the last purchase they'd have to make as hams? Are they still
grumbling
> > about the FCC outlawing spark-gap?
> >
> > I'd love to run my repeater using FM, but all the guys with the Heathkit
> > lunchboxes would stop paying dues, yada yada. I'm beginning to think
> > electrolytic caps drying out is a gift-in-disguise for repeater
operators.
> >
> > Perhaps we've created some unintended expectations through poor public
> > policy choices. Maybe we need $40 government coupons good toward TS-32s.
> >
> > Now, get off my lawn! ;^)
> >
> > 73,
> > Paul, AE4KR
> >
> >
> >  - Original Message -
> > *From:* Rick Szajkowski 
> > *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >  *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:24 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL
> >
> >  I would like to run our repeater in PL mode but a lot of our users have
> > older radios with out encode...
> >  On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM, MCH  wrote:
> >
> >>I know many hams who are still using radios that don't support CTCSS
> >> ENCODE, let alone decode or CDCSS...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > .
> >
> >  
> >
> 





[Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread dallasreact112
Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
I trying to find it available in small quantities.

73

Bernie Parker

K5BP



[Repeater-Builder] Re: PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread motarolla_doctor
 AJ ...> wrote:
>
> HAHAHAHA Gov't coupons for TS-32s LOL...
> 
> I run cross tones... Inverted DPL input, 110.9 PL output for normal
> operation, same Inverted DPL input, standard DPL output for special
> events/call outs... Let's users keep their radios muted from the regular rag
> chew traffic during the day by setting the radio to the DPL decode. Also
> strip CWID entirely of signaling.


  I Will Second that...




Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p147.htm




- Original Message - 
From: "dallasreact112" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper


> Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
> I trying to find it available in small quantities.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bernie Parker
> 
> K5BP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 


Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread Nate Duehr

On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:26 PM, MCH wrote:

> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for  
> codes
> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.

The last ham rig I bought that didn't have this capability was in  
1993.  Do you mean "most OLD ham rigs" don't have the ability?  :-)

Nate WY0X


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Nate Duehr

On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Paul Plack wrote:

> Learning the radio is now more daunting than passing the license exam.

So you're advocating a harder exam, right?  :-P  :-)

Nate WY0X


Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Scott Overstreet
Bernie---

Home Depot sells a "resin paper" to the construction trade that is generally 
used to protect floors during a job. Unfortunately it comes in rolls about 5 
in. dia. by about 3 feet wide but it is cheap and tough---I have used it for 
electrical fish paper. It's pink/brown in color and about half as thick as 
15 pound roofing felt.

Scott


  - Original Message - 
  From: dallasreact112
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:28 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper


  Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
  I trying to find it available in small quantities.

  73

  Bernie Parker

  K5BP


  


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread Don Kupferschmidt
Up in Northern Wisconsin we have a ham who is a ham and used to own a 
business repairing TV's.

He's now retired.  Suffice it to say that he was very knowledgeable in 
electronics and always let others know that fact.

When someone from the amateur radio ranks asked what *he perceived* to be a 
dumb question concerning electronics, his answer was always the following, 
and I quote:

"You didn't take the Extra Extra exam, did you?"

Some people's children, to say the least.

Don, KD9PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Nate Duehr" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)


>
> On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Paul Plack wrote:
>
>> Learning the radio is now more daunting than passing the license exam.
>
> So you're advocating a harder exam, right?  :-P  :-)
>
> Nate WY0X
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 02:28 PM 03/05/09, you wrote:
>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
>I trying to find it available in small quantities.
>
>73
>
>Bernie Parker
>
>K5BP

I've not been able to find it for years.  The last time I needed a small
piece I ended up using an old bank ATM card.

Mike WA6ILQ



Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Once again - Fish Paper listed here:

http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p147.htm

Chuck
WB2EDV




- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper


> At 02:28 PM 03/05/09, you wrote:
>>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
>>I trying to find it available in small quantities.
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>>73
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>>Bernie Parker
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>>K5BP
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> I've not been able to find it for years.  The last time I needed a small
> piece I ended up using an old bank ATM card.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Bob M.

The description doesn't say if there's an adhesive backing on this. I'd think 
you'd need something - glue or double-sided tape - to stick it on a panel you 
want to protect. As I recall, Heathkit used to use the self-stick stuff in many 
of their units, but after 20-30 years, the adhesive dries up and the fish paper 
falls out of position. Most annoying.

Bob M.
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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Chuck Kelsey  wrote:

> From: Chuck Kelsey 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 7:33 PM
> Once again - Fish Paper listed here:
> 
> http://www.oselectronics.com/ose_p147.htm
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> Chuck
> WB2EDV
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ"
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> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
> 
> > At 02:28 PM 03/05/09, you wrote:
> >>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish
> paper" insulating material?
> >>I trying to find it available in small quantities.
> >>
> >>73
> >>
> >>Bernie Parker
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> >>K5BP
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> > I've not been able to find it for years.  The last
> time I needed a small
> > piece I ended up using an old bank ATM card.
> > 
> > Mike WA6ILQ


  


RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Daron Wilson
I found it recently online, we use it for wrapping cables before 'sewing'
them into place on cable tray in Central Offices.  I don't remember where I
got it, but if you search around for waxed string, sewing cables, fish
paper, something like that you'll find a source for the waxed string and
sewing 'needles'  used for telecommunications work.

Good luck!

 

 

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> >>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish
> paper" insulating material?
> >>I trying to find it available in small quantities.



 



RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread John Transue
Here is a source:

http://www.oliner.com/fishpaper.htm

John
AF4PD

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>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:29 PM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
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>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating
>material?
>I trying to find it available in small quantities.
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>73
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>Bernie Parker
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>K5BP
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread gerald bishop
If you can find a elecrical suppy house ,they mmay carry GC products. They uesd 
to have small lots of fish paper.Or,A elec.moter rebuilder. -Varcilot,As I 
remember.jerry

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Daron Wilson  wrote:
From: Daron Wilson 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:09 PM




























I found it recently online, we use it
for wrapping cables before ‘sewing’ them into place on cable tray
in Central Offices.  I don’t remember where I got it, but if you
search around for waxed string, sewing cables, fish paper, something like that
you’ll find a source for the waxed string and sewing ‘needles’
 used for telecommunications work. 

Good luck! 

   

   

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> >>Does anybody know of a good source for "fish

> paper" insulating material?

> >>I trying to find it available in small quantities.



 









   











 

  




 

















  

[Fwd: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)]

2009-03-05 Thread Mike Pugh


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)
Date:   Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:24:35 -0600
From:   Don Kupferschmidt 
Reply-To:   Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
To: 
References: <0c6401c99dbb$03901830$0a01a...@whiskey> 
<7ec49e9eb51f4fdfabf5d1f7e90ae...@dell06> 




Up in Northern Wisconsin we have a ham who is a ham and used to own a 
business repairing TV's.

=

Here in Kentucky, we have quite a few hams who are hams!  
ha ha sorry Don!




Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread kd6aaj

Maybe google for "Micarta". We use it for Hi-Voltage (480 VAC) stuff. Material 
we use is thicker than fish paper, though.

If I find any info on "fish paper", I'll post it.

73, kd6aaj


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, dallasreact112  wrote:

> From: dallasreact112 
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:28 PM
> Does anybody know of a good source for "fish
> paper" insulating material?
> I trying to find it available in small quantities.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bernie Parker
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> K5BP
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread kd6aaj


OK, I guess the info is found, I'll leave at that.
 
73, KD6AAJ
 


  

[Repeater-Builder] Need crossband coupler

2009-03-05 Thread Jeff DePolo

Looking for a UHF/800 crossband coupler, weatherproof.  Candidates include:

TX-RX Systems 80-05-01
TX-RX Systems 80-05-03
TX-RX Systems 80-05-04
TX-RX Systems 80-05-10
Telewave TS-4680

Hoping to find someone that has one in excellent-to-new condition they might
part with for cash or trade.  Need to find one quickly; usually TX-RX takes
a couple of weeks to make these, they usually don't have them on the shelf,
so I'm hoping to find one quicker and save a little money.  Thanks in
advance.

--- Jeff WN3A




RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 TPN1189A Power supply schematic needed.

2009-03-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
No, you DO have a TPN1191 power supply!  The TPN1189A is the Auxiliary
Regulator Chassis, one component of the TPN1191 power supply.  The schematic
for the TPN1189A chassis is included in the TPN1191 power supply manual
6881062E46, which is behind the Power Supply tab in the MSR2000 station
manual 6881061E50.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wa5luy
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:43 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 TPN1189A Power supply schematic needed.

Our MSR 2000 has a TPN1189A power supply instead of the TPN1191 listed in
the manual and on Repeater-Builder. I need a schematic for this PS. 

Any help would be appreciated.



RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread Eric Lemmon
Bernie,

Scotch (3M) makes 2520 Adhesive-Backed Varnished Cambric tape in various
widths, and you can purchase single rolls from industrial suppliers such as
McMaster-Carr and Grainger.  This stuff is much better than fish paper, both
for its insulating value and its mechanical strength.  You will not find
this product at Home Depot or Lowes, because it has specialized uses within
the electrical power industry.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dallasreact112
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper

Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
I trying to find it available in small quantities.

73

Bernie Parker

K5BP



Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread no6b
At 3/5/2009 14:24, you wrote:
>On my two meter repeater we used to require one PL tone for repeater access
>and a different PL tone for DTMF commands (including autopatch access).
>
>The repeater generated the normal PL tone for repeater access.

Too bad most amateur grade radios made today don't support different encode 
& decode tones.  This is the reason I continue to use my G5T in spite of 
the bad battery contacts & other intermittents that make TXing problematic 
with that radio.

Bob NO6B



Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread MCH
What type of radios do you think the old hams are using? ;->

Joe M.

Nate Duehr wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:26 PM, MCH wrote:
> 
>> You forgot one factor... most ham rigs don't have CDCSS abilities, and
>> like it or not those ARE the rigs of choice for people looking for  
>> codes
>> for repeaters since they are easy to reprogram.
> 
> The last ham rig I bought that didn't have this capability was in  
> 1993.  Do you mean "most OLD ham rigs" don't have the ability?  :-)
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread MCH
FWIW, you do know there really is no such thing as 'inverted DPL', don't 
you? Every 'inverted' code corresponds to a 'non-inverted' code. So, 
even if you're using an 'inverted code', if someone tries all the 
standard codes, they will eventually hit your code.

The inverted tone only inverts the waveform for receivers that have 
injection opposite from what is the 'norm' (not that there is a norm, 
either).

Joe M.

motarolla_doctor wrote:
>  AJ ...> wrote:
>> HAHAHAHA Gov't coupons for TS-32s LOL...
>>
>> I run cross tones... Inverted DPL input, 110.9 PL output for normal
>> operation, same Inverted DPL input, standard DPL output for special
>> events/call outs... Let's users keep their radios muted from the regular rag
>> chew traffic during the day by setting the radio to the DPL decode. Also
>> strip CWID entirely of signaling.
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT Fish paper

2009-03-05 Thread dallasreact112
FWIW I use Pliobond contact cement to glue the fish paper. Pliobond has to be 
thinned with MEK, so I know its strong...

73

Bernie Parker

K5BP 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon"  wrote:
>
> Bernie,
> 
> Scotch (3M) makes 2520 Adhesive-Backed Varnished Cambric tape in various
> widths, and you can purchase single rolls from industrial suppliers such as
> McMaster-Carr and Grainger.  This stuff is much better than fish paper, both
> for its insulating value and its mechanical strength.  You will not find
> this product at Home Depot or Lowes, because it has specialized uses within
> the electrical power industry.
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dallasreact112
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Fish paper
> 
> Does anybody know of a good source for "fish paper" insulating material?
> I trying to find it available in small quantities.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bernie Parker
> 
> K5BP
>




[Repeater-Builder] Re: PL vs. DPL

2009-03-05 Thread William E. Janes
Coupon for a TS-32??? Where do I sign up??? Will it expire What do I do
to transition to digital??? Maybe the Govt  will rescue me and block the
transition... Oh wait.. I was thinking of tv.. nevermind



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Simpler Radios, (Was PL vs. DPL)

2009-03-05 Thread William E. Janes
Maybe that should be second part of the exam: "Demonstrate proficiency at
operating your newest acquired technology driven equipment". may be a big
challenge for the VE..



[Repeater-Builder] Heathkit Distortion Analyzer

2009-03-05 Thread w6jll
Does anyone have the operating instructions for a Heathkit  IM-5258 (new 
series) distortion analyzer? Most the Heath manuals have disappeared from the 
web. Bought the analyzer at a local flea market - it has a few problems, and I 
would really appreciate the few pages from the manual dealing with 
troubleshooting and operations. Plan to use it for GE receiver tuneup per GE 
procedure (yes, I know there are other ways). Instructions from older series 
would also be welcome.

Thanks

Fred, W6JLL



[Repeater-Builder] LOOKING FOR 250W OR MORE S.S.LOW BAND AMP

2009-03-05 Thread radiotwo1955
LOOKING FOR A HIGH POWER LOW BAND AMP WORKING OR NOT ANY SPLIT. REASONABLE 
PLEASE  THANKS BOB 607 436 2287



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Heathkit Distortion Analyzer

2009-03-05 Thread ka9qjg
Fred and others it is a good thing I never clean up My hard drive this
is a Great Heath Site and it looks like He might have it 
 
http://www.d8apro.com/heath1.htm
 
 
Hope this Helps , Just the info on the Site was -very Informative for us
Old Heath Kit Fans  and as Always We give Thanks to the People who dos
all the hard work and shares with others 
 
Good Luck 
 
Don KA9QJG