Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and more

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Plack
Tony,

What's to back up at a site already supported by both solar and wind? Is 
there a temp below which the PV panels won't produce or the wind turbine won't 
turn? Deep snow covering the PV panels?

I guess my preference, for a number of reasons, would be to have a way to 
remotely invoke an operating mode for the repeater which could dramatically 
reduce standby current drain and/or transmitter power when the batteries were 
detected to be at any risk, or just massively bulk up on battery capacity.

I had a solar powered UHF repeater in Florida once that used a 2-watt Repco 
RFID transmitter strip and companion receiver. Total current drain while 
repeating was about 700 mA. A standard 100 AH deep-cycle battery represented 
four days' reserve at 100% duty cycle. That would be expensive to replicate 
with normal repeater power levels, but maybe not as expensive as some less 
robust alternatives.

If the PV panels get covered with snow, could you rig an automotive windshield 
wiper system to fire once an hour during snowstorms to keep them clear? If it's 
-40º, would the snow be dry and light enough to clear with a periodic blast 
from a cordless leaf-blower motor? The decent ones use 18-volt battery packs, 
but a small DC-to-DC converter could keep it charged, or switch two small 12V 
aux batteries charged off the main system into series, and run them through a 
dropping resistor to protect the motor. You'd only be running it for a few 
seconds at a time to keep the panels clear.

What's the ground like? Could you dig deep enough to bury a battery storage 
locker below the frost line? Cave effect is a cheap battery temp regulator!

If you're going to store fossil fuel at the site for use in protecting the 
batteries from freezing, what about just heating the batteries to keep them 
above 0ºC, and forget the moving parts involved in a generator scheme? Internal 
combustion engine generators are notorious for having starting problems when 
needed, because they sit much of the time.

Interesting project and questions!

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony VE6MVP 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:16 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and more



  Folks

  I've been reading the low voltage disconnect thread with a great deal of 
interest.  Thanks for the tips and suggestions.  We're putting up a VHF 
repeater and two UHF link radios on a solar/wind power site.Given Alberta 
winters what would you folks suggest as a low voltage disconnect value to avoid 
the batteries freezing in winter?  Which can hit -40 for a few days.

  Also we're thinking of having a backup power generator being a lawn mower 
motor hooked up to an auto style alternator and a rioughly eight or ten hour 
fuel tank.If the batteries get too low then we'll just attempt to get into 
the site,  fire up that home made generator and walk away.   We'll make sure it 
looks like a rusty piece of garbage so no one who wanders by is likely to steal 
it.   Any comments?  

  (Apparently the snow drifts can get quite bad so we might need to borrow a 
snowmobile for the last 400 yards or so.)

  We're thinking of putting the batteries in a chest freezer disguised by thin 
plywood so it just looks like a box.   We're told by the site owner that a 
fridge looks way too much like trailer trash so disguising it with wood should 
work.I'm thinking we would put the charge controller in there for a little 
heat and the dump load in winter 

  Are we nutz?   Have I asked some stupid questions?

  Tony 

  

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

2010-02-19 Thread de W5DK
Howdy, 

Not intended to disrupt the thread here,,but on the 220 comments. 

 

Ron KG5BZ just climbed a tower in Austin to measure loops (and spacing I
hope) on an old 220 ham cut DB product. He told me he already had the
original 220 harness specs from DB. I offered to help him get the info
together to be posted to the group. I will try to follow-up with him to
share the info.

 

73

Don Kirchner W5DK

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Manning
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

 






Hello Andrew and Norm

If you are trying to figure out the lengths needed for 144-148Mhz I can
measure what you need to know but not in a hurry.  I have a DB products
antenna that is cut for the two meter band that I ordered from DB Products
about 10 years ago.  What I need to know is the measurements for 220Mhz.  I
also have several DB224a's that have been removed due to problems.  These
could easily be modified to cover 220Mhz. 73 de Tom Manning, AF4UG

- Original Message - 

From: NORM KNAPP mailto:nkn...@twowayradio.net  

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:35 PM

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

 

  

The unknown coax type is/was VB-83 (35 ohm). The VB-8 is of course 50 ohm
and the VB-11 is 75 ohm.
I hope that is the info you needed. It would be great if you could figure
out what the open stub is for and can we use that for adjustments. If you
need more info, let me know.
73
Norm



From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com on behalf of allan crites
Sent: Wed 2/17/2010 9:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

I tried to work backwards on a Smith Chart from the dipole to the 1/2 WL
O.C. stub to determine a reason for the stub but it appears the unknown coax
types are causing erroneous and confusing answers.
Can you confirm the coax types shown on your diagram?
a.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net
mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net  wrote:

From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:57 PM



I got the harnesses at no charge from Andrew. I contacted customer support
and told them I had 3 fairly new DB224's (2 a models and a b model) that had
water intrusion/contamina tion in the harness where they were supposedly
seal by the factory. I offered pictures and they accepted. Upon seeing the
photos they asked that I give them serial numbers and requested I send the
defective harnesses to them. I did and they offered and I accepted
replacement harnesses.
The two db224's that I have (personally) are the A models. The B model
belongs to my shop. I often end up with abandoned and or defective db224's
and other antennas as I work for a two way land mobile dealer/shop.
Unfortunately, I have yet to get any DB224e's or any DB304's, just tons of
DB224a's and an occasional DB224b.
Hats off to Andrew for shipping me free replacement harnesses. I am still
gonna ScotchKote those moldings regaurdelss.
If you look at the attached photoes from my initial post, you will see that
the open 25 VB-8 (50 ohm) stub is 12.5 from the T where the top half and
bottom halves of the harness come together, down the main feed to the
hardline (or whatever you feed the antenna with).
Last night I connected the Sitemaster up again and I noticed the the SWR
will come down some when I firmly secure the harness to the mast with the
metal tape. How far down remains to be seen. I will keep you posted.
73 and thanks!
de N5NPO
Norm










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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and more

2010-02-19 Thread Nate Duehr

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Kris Kirby wrote:

 
 Generators and fuel are a lot of trouble. 
 
  (Apparently the snow drifts can get quite bad so we might need to borrow a 
  snowmobile for the last
  400 yards or so.)
 
 This is when you have to ask yourself: Is it really worth the hardship 
 to keep this repeater on the air at this site?

Remember, any drifts that high are also high enough to block off low-level 
vents, exhaust pipes, etc.

A recent (last year) failure of a site generator near here was attributed to 
the snow piling up so high the generator couldn't get air to run...

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
n...@natetech.com

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[Repeater-Builder] Antenna tuner question - slightly OT

2010-02-19 Thread va2ir
Gents

I need a quick reply to this very pressing question. I have an HF 
antenna tuner that uses 2 roller inductors and 1 large air variable 
cap, versus the more popular arrangement of 2 varicaps and 1 inductor.

What is the 2 inductor - 1 capacitor arrangement called?  Certainly 
not a T-Match (I don't think)

Thanks

Ian
VA2IR
Montreal
Trustee VE2RJS repeater



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna tuner question - slightly OT

2010-02-19 Thread Joe
Sounds like a T match L-C-L tuner.  The advantage would be that it is a 
low-pass tuner that attenuates harmonics.

 This was important in the old days when rigs put out harmonics.  I got 
a pink slip as a novice years ago for being on the 40 meter band when 
I was suppose to be on 80 meters. 

73, Joe, K1ike


va...@securenet.net wrote:
 Gents

 I need a quick reply to this very pressing question. I have an HF 
 antenna tuner that uses 2 roller inductors and 1 large air variable 
 cap, versus the more popular arrangement of 2 varicaps and 1 inductor.

 What is the 2 inductor - 1 capacitor arrangement called?  Certainly 
 not a T-Match (I don't think)

 Thanks

 Ian
 VA2IR
 Montreal
 Trustee VE2RJS repeater



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna tuner question - slightly OT

2010-02-19 Thread va2ir

Thanks for the reply

Ian


At 10:35 AM 2/19/2010, you wrote:



Sounds like a T match L-C-L tuner. The advantage would be that it is a
low-pass tuner that attenuates harmonics.

This was important in the old days when rigs put out harmonics. I got
a pink slip as a novice years ago for being on the 40 meter band when
I was suppose to be on 80 meters.

73, Joe, K1ike

mailto:va2ir%40securenet.netva...@securenet.net wrote:
 Gents

 I need a quick reply to this very pressing question. I have an HF
 antenna tuner that uses 2 roller inductors and 1 large air variable
 cap, versus the more popular arrangement of 2 varicaps and 1 inductor.

 What is the 2 inductor - 1 capacitor arrangement called? Certainly
 not a T-Match (I don't think)

 Thanks

 Ian
 VA2IR
 Montreal
 Trustee VE2RJS repeater



 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and more

2010-02-19 Thread Ralph S. Turk


In Montana on top of deep snow mountains, we used thermal-electric generators 
run from 

propane.  Worked great and was very very safe. 

Ralph, W7HSG 
- Original Message - 
From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:50:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low voltage disconnect in Alberta winters and 
more 

  





On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Kris Kirby wrote: 

 
 Generators and fuel are a lot of trouble. 
 
  (Apparently the snow drifts can get quite bad so we might need to borrow a 
  snowmobile for the last 
  400 yards or so.) 
 
 This is when you have to ask yourself: Is it really worth the hardship 
 to keep this repeater on the air at this site? 

Remember, any drifts that high are also high enough to block off low-level 
vents, exhaust pipes, etc. 

A recent (last year) failure of a site generator near here was attributed to 
the snow piling up so high the generator couldn't get air to run... 

-- 
Nate Duehr, WY0X 
n...@natetech.com 

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[Repeater-Builder] kenwood KPT20 programmer

2010-02-19 Thread joe42345
Need the instruction manuals for KPT 20...have programer ...just don't remember 
how to use it...my all timers is kicking inplease emale  to 
joe...@yahoo.com.joe ford...or fax to 270 338 4488



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement

2010-02-19 Thread Jeff DePolo

For those of you that are interested in the community repeater manual, Eric
Lemmon has volunteered to scan it.  I'll be sending it to him this weekend,
along with some other specialized Micor manuals including PURC, Digital PURC
(DRC), and Multiple PL.

--- Jeff WN3A

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo
 Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:24 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement
 
   
 
  I am in need of a micor UHF community repeater station 
  supplement number is 68-81025E55, or 68P81025E55. Email me at 
  my callsign at yahoo
  Jim
 
 I have it in paper, but not electronic. Is there a particular 
 section you
 need that I could scan?
 
 --- Jeff WN3A 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread Benjamin L. Naber
For those whom are scanning manuals, what program is used to mosaic the
larger foldouts into one 'page'? If someone says GIMP, then I'm game!

I have several manuals that will be copied and then probably recycled,
so I'd like to know what folks are doing...

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ



RE: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread Robert Pease
All Hail GIMP 

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin L. Naber
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize
to PDF)

 

  

For those whom are scanning manuals, what program is used to mosaic the
larger foldouts into one 'page'? If someone says GIMP, then I'm game!

I have several manuals that will be copied and then probably recycled,
so I'd like to know what folks are doing...

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread DCFluX
ARCsoft Scan and Stitch is what I used.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Robert Pease r...@jfcsonline.com wrote:



  All Hail GIMP 



 *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Benjamin L. Naber
 *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2010 2:39 PM
 *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize
 to PDF)





 For those whom are scanning manuals, what program is used to mosaic the
 larger foldouts into one 'page'? If someone says GIMP, then I'm game!

 I have several manuals that will be copied and then probably recycled,
 so I'd like to know what folks are doing...

 ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ



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 (R)*

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 * *

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[Repeater-Builder] Micor Low Band Mobile TX/AMP Schematics

2010-02-19 Thread tahrens301
Hi folks,

Anybody have a schematic for a Micor low band
mobile?  I need schematics for the Exciter, PA, 
and the control board that sits between the TX 
 RX.

Thanks!

Tim W5FN





RE: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread Eric Lemmon
Benjamin,

There is no need to mosaic anything.  The key is to use a commercial scanner
that has a throat of at least 48, so that long foldout sheets can be
scanned in one pass directly into PDF.  Such machines are very expensive,
and would normally be found only at a commercial graphics house.  It is not
a good idea to scan long pages into segments that later must be taped or
somehow pieced together.  Mention has been made of stitching the pieces
back together using special software, but this is unnecessary if the
original had been scanned in one piece.  Besides, I have never found such
software to be either 100% effective or reasonably priced.  The free Adobe
Reader package includes a great feature, called the SnapShot Tool.
Depending upon the Reader version, this may appear on the toolbar as a
camera inside of a box, or it may be in the Tools drop-down menu.  If all
you want is a portion of a long foldout schematic, simply select that
portion with the SnapShot Tool cursor, and it will be copied to your
Clipboard.  You can then print out that detail on a standard page printer.

Another issue is that a line drawing, such as a schematic diagram, should be
scanned directly into PDF to maintain high quality and a reasonable size.
Image formats such as GIF, TIFF, and JPEG are great for color pictures but
are not appropriate for line drawings.  When an image has but two bits,
either 0 or 1, it is a huge waste of file space to scan it as if it had
16,000,000 colors.  Adobe Acrobat Professional software includes drivers
that seamlessly interface with commercial scanners.  When scanning pages
directly into PDF, use the line drawing setting unless the 8-bit gray scale
setting is needed for photographs or PCB layouts.  Above all, do not scan
any black-and-white images as color images. 

Finally, all pages should be oriented as 11 inches high, regardless of
viewing aspect.  This will permit the PDF to be printed on a commercial roll
printer, reproducing the original in exactly the same size and format as the
hard copy that was scanned.  

Unless every page of a manual is 8.5 by 11 inches, take it to a commercial
graphics house for a professional scanning job.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin L. Naber
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:39 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to
PDF)

  

For those whom are scanning manuals, what program is used to mosaic the
larger foldouts into one 'page'? If someone says GIMP, then I'm game!

I have several manuals that will be copied and then probably recycled,
so I'd like to know what folks are doing...

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ







[Repeater-Builder] Re: Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications

2010-02-19 Thread Walter H
What /I/ can add, is that the FCC has said that if you want privacy for your 
communications, then encrypt them. Clear voice is available to anyone with the 
appropriate receiver. No, I can't find my source for this, I've read all the 
Daily Digests for the last 5+ years, and I believe it was in a letter ruling.

BTW, if you go to the url listed, you'll see that it's still in committee. Not 
passed by the House nor Senate, nor signed by the Governor.

WalterH

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lowell elowell9...@... wrote:

 Wow! I would have thought it illegal under Federal Law. What do I know
 
 Best Regardss, de W1EL
  Eric Lowell
 Eastern Maine Electronics Inc.
 48 Loon Road
 Wesley ME 04686
 eme@...
 www.satnetmaine.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: ka9qjg1 ka9...@...
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 9:27:44 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety 
 Communications
 
   
 FYI 
 
 It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications 
 including radio or Internet 
 
 I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type 
 Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the 
 legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have 
 an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt.
 
 I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a 
 site from that area to listen to it Live . 
 
 Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know 
 about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner 
 stations.
 
 Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast 
 the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters 
 I am sure others have this on the Repeters too
 
 This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this 
 
 Don KA9QJG 
 
 Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 
 20 ILCS 2615/12 new 
 
 Synopsis As Introduced
 Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public 
 safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the 
 State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the 
 written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the 
 communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise 
 divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or 
 meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public 
 safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of 
 the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications 
 specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio 
 access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be 
 accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the 
 appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these 
 provisions is a Class A
  misdemeanor. Effective immediately.
 
 http://tinyurl. com/yf3on2y





OT RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications

2010-02-19 Thread Robert Pease
It looks like it EXCLUDES Amber alerts because they are meant for public 
broadcast.

 

Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio 
communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general 
public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended 
for rebroadcast to the public.

 

But if you look closer at this line 

 

Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State 
may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the 
appropriately licensed authority.

 

This could prohibit anyone from using a scanner to receive their broadcasts 
unless you have permission.

 

I would think federal public airwaves law would supersede this part though, but 
I am no expert or even close to one.

 

Interesting ruling though

 

FWIW, YMMV - Rob

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Walter H
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:32 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety 
Communications

 

  

What /I/ can add, is that the FCC has said that if you want privacy for your 
communications, then encrypt them. Clear voice is available to anyone with the 
appropriate receiver. No, I can't find my source for this, I've read all the 
Daily Digests for the last 5+ years, and I believe it was in a letter ruling.

BTW, if you go to the url listed, you'll see that it's still in committee. Not 
passed by the House nor Senate, nor signed by the Governor.

WalterH

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Eric Lowell elowell9...@... 
wrote:

 Wow! I would have thought it illegal under Federal Law. What do I know
 
 Best Regardss, de W1EL
 Â Eric Lowell
 Eastern Maine Electronics Inc.
 48 Loon Road
 Wesley ME 04686
 eme@...
 www.satnetmaine.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: ka9qjg1 ka9...@...
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 9:27:44 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety 
 Communications
 
 Â  
 FYI 
 
 It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications 
 including radio or Internet 
 
 I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type 
 Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the 
 legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have 
 an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt.
 
 I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a 
 site from that area to listen to it Live . 
 
 Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know 
 about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner 
 stations.
 
 Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast 
 the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters 
 I am sure others have this on the Repeters too
 
 This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this 
 
 Don KA9QJG 
 
 Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 
 20 ILCS 2615/12 new 
 
 Synopsis As Introduced
 Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public 
 safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the 
 State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the 
 written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the 
 communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise 
 divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or 
 meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public 
 safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of 
 the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications 
 specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio 
 access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be 
 accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the 
 appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these 
 provisions is a Class A
 misdemeanor. Effective immediately.
 
 http://tinyurl. com/yf3on2y






Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths 
throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, 
residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more.

SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING 
www.JFCSonline.com 

Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your 
contacts ASAP.

 
  
.

 

 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] conversion to pdf utility

2010-02-19 Thread skipp025
re: conversion to pdf utility 

One of the Group Members turned me on to this pdf conversion 
utility (yes it's even free).  

CutePDF Writer 

Create PDF documents on the fly — for Free! 

Acts like a printer...  when you go to print a document the 
options will allow you to print a file to Cute PDF Writer and 
ask you where you want it placed.  

http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp  

They also provide the free converter (GPLGS8.15; 5.01 MB) 

The program is (Ver. 2.8; 3.36 MB) 

Download both files, install the converter first, then 
Cute PDF Writer and enjoy.  Easy to use when you just want 
to convert something to a pdf file/format. 

cheers, 
s. 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread George Henry
I use a Fujitsu flatbed scanner at work that also has an automatic document 
feeder that can handle the large foldouts in a single pass.  I scan directly 
to PDF, no intermediate graphics files.

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413


- Original Message - 
From: Benjamin L. Naber benja...@kb9lfz.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to 
PDF)


 For those whom are scanning manuals, what program is used to mosaic the
 larger foldouts into one 'page'? If someone says GIMP, then I'm game!

 I have several manuals that will be copied and then probably recycled,
 so I'd like to know what folks are doing...

 ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ

 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] manual and service manual scanning (digitize to PDF)

2010-02-19 Thread DCFluX
I was surprised how well the scan stitch worked, it even has fine skew controls.

I'm more interested in an OCR program that will spit out regenerated
text with the correct font and in the right places for a PDF.


RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Community Repeater Supplement

2010-02-19 Thread Mark
Thanks Jeff.  I've been meaning to do that as well, but just haven't gotten
around to it...

My apologies to Eric and the group for my negligence.

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo

For those of you that are interested in the community repeater manual, Eric
Lemmon has volunteered to scan it.  I'll be sending it to him this weekend,
along with some other specialized Micor manuals including PURC, Digital PURC
(DRC), and Multiple PL.

--- Jeff WN3A

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo
 
  I am in need of a micor UHF community repeater station 
  supplement number is 68-81025E55, or 68P81025E55. Email me at 
  my callsign at yahoo
  Jim
 
 I have it in paper, but not electronic. Is there a particular 
 section you
 need that I could scan?
 
 --- Jeff WN3A 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] conversion to pdf utility

2010-02-19 Thread Thomas Oliver
There is also a free program that works with Firefox called PDF Download 
that allows you to save web pages as PDF documents, works great.

tom



skipp025 wrote:
 re: conversion to pdf utility 

 One of the Group Members turned me on to this pdf conversion 
 utility (yes it's even free).  

 CutePDF Writer 

 Create PDF documents on the fly — for Free! 

 Acts like a printer...  when you go to print a document the 
 options will allow you to print a file to Cute PDF Writer and 
 ask you where you want it placed.  

 http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp  

 They also provide the free converter (GPLGS8.15; 5.01 MB) 

 The program is (Ver. 2.8; 3.36 MB) 

 Download both files, install the converter first, then 
 Cute PDF Writer and enjoy.  Easy to use when you just want 
 to convert something to a pdf file/format. 

 cheers, 
 s. 



 



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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor Community Repeater Supplement

2010-02-19 Thread Jim
Thanks Jeff. It appears that that supplement is needed badly.
Jim

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mark n9...@... wrote:

 Thanks Jeff.  I've been meaning to do that as well, but just haven't gotten
 around to it...
 
 My apologies to Eric and the group for my negligence.
 
 Mark - N9WYS
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo
 
 For those of you that are interested in the community repeater manual, Eric
 Lemmon has volunteered to scan it.  I'll be sending it to him this weekend,
 along with some other specialized Micor manuals including PURC, Digital PURC
 (DRC), and Multiple PL.
 
   --- Jeff WN3A
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Jeff DePolo
  
   I am in need of a micor UHF community repeater station 
   supplement number is 68-81025E55, or 68P81025E55. Email me at 
   my callsign at yahoo
   Jim
  
  I have it in paper, but not electronic. Is there a particular 
  section you
  need that I could scan?
  
  --- Jeff WN3A





[Repeater-Builder] Duplexers F S

2010-02-19 Thread motarolla_doctor
I ran across this...

   http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=89919



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers F S

2010-02-19 Thread AJ
Oddly enough, that's my ad ;) Thanks for the bump.

The 4 WaCom UHF 10 cavities I believe were designed to be part of a simple
duplexer for a UHF-Lo repeater. They *should* tune up to the 440 ham band
based on what Telewave has listed for specs on the current modern day model
number. Current config is Pass RX Reject TX on 3 cans and Pass TX Reject RX
on the 4th can.

I would be more than happy to email out specific high res pics to anyone
directly off list.

73,
AJ

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM, motarolla_doctor echoco...@hotmail.comwrote:



 I ran across this...

 http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=2t=89919

  



[Repeater-Builder] MICOM-X Motorola Hand Mic Wanted

2010-02-19 Thread WA3GIN
Looking for a MICOM-X hand mic, please replay direct.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

2010-02-19 Thread Tom Manning
Hello Allan
As you note it would take a good deal of work to go from 154 to 220Mhz.  
Yes the loops would have to be shortened and the harness would have to be be 
reworked-shortened.  This would be easier than changing to 144Mhz.  I have done 
this twice in the past.  73 de Tom Manning
  - Original Message - 
  From: allan crites 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness



Tom
I would certainly be interested in knowing just how a 150-162 MHz DB224 
could be easily be modified to cover 220. The dipoles would need to be 
physically shortened and the matching harness would need to be completely 
redesigned. 
What magic do you have in your bag of tricks to manage this? 

Allan Crites  WA9ZZU


--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Tom Manning af...@bellsouth.net wrote:


  From: Tom Manning af...@bellsouth.net
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:58 PM



  Hello Andrew and Norm
  If you are trying to figure out the lengths needed for 144-148Mhz 
I can measure what you need to know but not in a hurry.  I have a DB products 
antenna that is cut for the two meter band that I ordered from DB Products 
about 10 years ago.  What I need to know is the measurements for 220Mhz.  I 
also have several DB224a's that have been removed due to problems.  These could 
easily be modified to cover 220Mhz. 73 de Tom Manning, AF4UG
- Original Message - 
From: NORM KNAPP 
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness


  
The unknown coax type is/was VB-83 (35 ohm). The VB-8 is of course 
50 ohm and the VB-11 is 75 ohm.
I hope that is the info you needed. It would be great if you could 
figure out what the open stub is for and can we use that for adjustments. If 
you need more info, let me know.
73
Norm

 _ _ __

From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com on behalf of allan crites
Sent: Wed 2/17/2010 9:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

I tried to work backwards on a Smith Chart from the dipole to the 
1/2 WL O.C. stub to determine a reason for the stub but it appears the unknown 
coax types are causing erroneous and confusing answers.
Can you confirm the coax types shown on your diagram?
a.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio. net wrote:

From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio. net
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:57 PM



I got the harnesses at no charge from Andrew. I contacted customer 
support and told them I had 3 fairly new DB224's (2 a models and a b model) 
that had water intrusion/contamina tion in the harness where they were 
supposedly seal by the factory. I offered pictures and they accepted. Upon 
seeing the photos they asked that I give them serial numbers and requested I 
send the defective harnesses to them. I did and they offered and I accepted 
replacement harnesses.
The two db224's that I have (personally) are the A models. The B 
model belongs to my shop. I often end up with abandoned and or defective 
db224's and other antennas as I work for a two way land mobile dealer/shop. 
Unfortunately, I have yet to get any DB224e's or any DB304's, just tons of 
DB224a's and an occasional DB224b.
Hats off to Andrew for shipping me free replacement harnesses. I am 
still gonna ScotchKote those moldings regaurdelss.
If you look at the attached photoes from my initial post, you will 
see that the open 25 VB-8 (50 ohm) stub is 12.5 from the T where the top 
half and bottom halves of the harness come together, down the main feed to the 
hardline (or whatever you feed the antenna with).
Last night I connected the Sitemaster up again and I noticed the 
the SWR will come down some when I firmly secure the harness to the mast with 
the metal tape. How far down remains to be seen. I will keep you posted.
73 and thanks!
de N5NPO
Norm


   


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

2010-02-19 Thread allan crites


Tom,
Perhaps you could enlighten everyone who read these discussions with your 
success in modifying a DB224 from the 150-162 range to the 220-225 range. 
You are the first I have ever heard of having done this.
I know I would be particularly interested in the harness transmission lines 
used and their lengths, and their characteristic impedance's.
I would also be interested in the impedance measurements made of the dipole 
configuration after being modified, how you determined the appropriate coax 
transformation impedance's, and how you compensated for the positive and 
negative reactances which appear as the freq. is varied from the center freq. 
to the band edges in each transformation.
Would you also include the instrumentation used for your designs?
If you employed the use of a Smith Chart in your calculations can you provide a 
copy showing the impedance response curve vs. freq. for the range 220-225 MHz 
or whatever you measured?
There are no loops on a DB224, only folded dipoles. Loops are circular, 
dipoles are linear.

Allan Crites  WA9ZZU

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Tom Manning af...@bellsouth.net wrote:


From: Tom Manning af...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 9:15 PM


  



 
Hello Allan
    As you note it would take a good deal of work to go from 154 to 220Mhz.  
Yes the loops would have to be shortened and the harness would have to be be 
reworked-shortened.  This would be easier than changing to 144Mhz.  I have done 
this twice in the past.  73 de Tom Manning

- Original Message - 
From: allan crites 
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

  






Tom
I would certainly be interested in knowing just how a 150-162 MHz DB224 could 
be easily be modified to cover 220. The dipoles would need to be physically 
shortened and the matching harness would need to be completely redesigned. 
What magic do you have in your bag of tricks to manage this? 
 
Allan Crites  WA9ZZU


--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Tom Manning af...@bellsouth. NET wrote:


From: Tom Manning af...@bellsouth. NET
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:58 PM


  


Hello Andrew and Norm
    If you are trying to figure out the lengths needed for 144-148Mhz I can 
measure what you need to know but not in a hurry.  I have a DB products antenna 
that is cut for the two meter band that I ordered from DB Products about 10 
years ago.  What I need to know is the measurements for 220Mhz.  I also have 
several DB224a's that have been removed due to problems.  These could easily be 
modified to cover 220Mhz. 73 de Tom Manning, AF4UG

- Original Message - 
From: NORM KNAPP 
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

  

The unknown coax type is/was VB-83 (35 ohm). The VB-8 is of course 50 ohm and 
the VB-11 is 75 ohm.
I hope that is the info you needed. It would be great if you could figure out 
what the open stub is for and can we use that for adjustments. If you need more 
info, let me know.
73
Norm

 _ _ __

From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com on behalf of allan crites
Sent: Wed 2/17/2010 9:29 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness

I tried to work backwards on a Smith Chart from the dipole to the 1/2 WL O.C. 
stub to determine a reason for the stub but it appears the unknown coax types 
are causing erroneous and confusing answers.
Can you confirm the coax types shown on your diagram?
a.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio. net wrote:

From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio. net
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224A new harness
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:57 PM



I got the harnesses at no charge from Andrew. I contacted customer support and 
told them I had 3 fairly new DB224's (2 a models and a b model) that had water 
intrusion/contamina tion in the harness where they were supposedly seal by the 
factory. I offered pictures and they accepted. Upon seeing the photos they 
asked that I give them serial numbers and requested I send the defective 
harnesses to them. I did and they offered and I accepted replacement harnesses.
The two db224's that I have (personally) are the A models. The B model belongs 
to my shop. I often end up with abandoned and or defective db224's and other 
antennas as I work for a two way land mobile dealer/shop. Unfortunately, I have 
yet to get any DB224e's or any DB304's, just tons of DB224a's and an occasional 
DB224b.
Hats off to Andrew for shipping me free replacement harnesses. I am still gonna 
ScotchKote those moldings regaurdelss.
If you look at the attached photoes from my