[Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Jeff Corkren]

Does 
anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for 
repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on 
a broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes violent 
environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the 
distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna will 
be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 
 
Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
Raymond, 
Mississippi 













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[Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Jeff Corkren]

ok thanks everybody for your comments regarding the 
Hustler antenna.  I was under the impression that DB no longer 
manufactured antennas in the ham band. It pleases me to find out that they 
still do. I'm using a Super Stationmaster (ham band version) at the 600 ft level 
for receive. I was hoping to purchase a good quality but more economical antenna 
to use for transmit. A second Super Stationmaster or a DB420 would be 
nice but big $. 
 
While we are talking about the DB420 series antennas 
>>>  What is the mechanical difference in the commercial and ham 
antenna ? I know that the harness is different. Anything else ? I have a 
perfect condition DB420 (450-470 mhz) available which receives good at 
446.700 Mhz but doesn't match very well to my repeater transmitter at 
441.700 Mhz. What can I do (if anything) to make this antenna perform 
better on the ham frequency ? If I can improve the match then I'll 
just use it on the repeater.  Thanks !
 
Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
Raymond, MS 
 
 
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Does anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF 
antenna for repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a 
broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes violent 
environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the distance from 
the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna will be mounted. Thanks 
for your reply.   Jeff Corkren/W5PPB  Raymond, Mississippi 














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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[russ]

Good morning Jeff and the group,
I have not had the best of luck
with the Hustler G-6 why do younot look into something like the
DB-404 if you need a lower end
antenna. It will hold up nice. Or
a mid priced DB-408 more gain
just a bit higher in price. Or for some
real gain the DB-420 all will do better
then the G-6 and all will last a whole
lot longer. Plus real gain and much
better built. I would research the 
commercial antennas before spending
money for a Ham grade repeater antenna.
This has been my findings over the years.
Before any one un knowingly says they do not
make them for 440 WRONG! A suppler has
to buy them 50 at a time then stock them till
we buy them (we being us Hams.). So yes
some suppliers do stock and sell the DB-404,
408  and yes even the 420.
Good luck!
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jeff Corkren 
  
  To: Repeater Builder 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler 
  G6-440
  
  Does 
  anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for 
  repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level 
  on a broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes 
  violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to 
  the distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the 
  antenna will be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 
   
  Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
  Raymond, 
  Mississippi 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Dave Baughn]

Jeff, I have not used the G6 UHF only antenna but have heard they work OK. 
 The dual band G6/270 is a piece of junk. If you need a UHF repeater 
antenna and can't afford a DB products, I have had good luck  Antenex 
fiberglass unit. I have had the 5 db version at 1940 feet for several 
years with no problem. They make one cut for the ham band.
 
Dave BaughnDirector of EngineeringThe University of 
AlabamaCenter for Public Television and RadioBox 870150Tuscaloosa, 
Alabama 35487205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798NEW EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/05 02:53AM >>>
Does 
anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for 
repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on 
a broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes violent 
environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the 
distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna will 
be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 
 
Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
Raymond, 
Mississippi 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Richard Velez]

I started off with the 2 G6-440 my self. It lasted about a year before
the SWR started flying thru the roof and the second about 7 months after
that.  Pattern was ok while it lasted. Go for DB products and save
yourself from headaches later.
Good Luck
Rich/N2ROW

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/9/05 8:24:41 AM >>>
Good morning Jeff and the group,
I have not had the best of luck
with the Hustler G-6 why do you
not look into something like the
DB-404 if you need a lower end
antenna. It will hold up nice. Or
a mid priced DB-408 more gain
just a bit higher in price. Or for some
real gain the DB-420 all will do better
then the G-6 and all will last a whole
lot longer. Plus real gain and much
better built. I would research the 
commercial antennas before spending
money for a Ham grade repeater antenna.
This has been my findings over the years.
Before any one un knowingly says they do not
make them for 440 WRONG! A suppler has
to buy them 50 at a time then stock them till
we buy them (we being us Hams.). So yes
some suppliers do stock and sell the DB-404,
408  and yes even the 420.
Good luck!
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Corkren 
  To: Repeater Builder 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440


  Does anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for
repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a
broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes
violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the
distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna
will be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 

  Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
  Raymond, Mississippi 








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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Neil McKie]

  My experience with the Hustler/Diamond/Comet/??? antenna lines are 
 as follows: 

  My preferred UHF Base station antenna is the Sinclair SC320 10 dB 
 gain ... I ordered this one when the previous Phelps-Dodge 10 dB 
 stick came apart in a storm.  

  The Sinclair is a black housing to assist in snow melting. 

http://www.sinctech.com/catalog/series.aspx?id=23 

  Good antenna performance is not cheap.  

  Hope this helps, 

  Neil - WA6KLA 


Richard Velez wrote:
> 
> I started off with the 2 G6-440 my self. It lasted about a year 
> before the SWR started flying thru the roof and the second about 7 
> months after that.  Pattern was ok while it lasted. Go for 
> DB products and save yourself from headaches later. 
> Good Luck
> Rich/N2ROW
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/9/05 8:24:41 AM >>>
> Good morning Jeff and the group,
> I have not had the best of luck
> with the Hustler G-6 why do you
> not look into something like the
> DB-404 if you need a lower end
> antenna. It will hold up nice. Or
> a mid priced DB-408 more gain
> just a bit higher in price. Or for some
> real gain the DB-420 all will do better
> then the G-6 and all will last a whole
> lot longer. Plus real gain and much
> better built. I would research the
> commercial antennas before spending
> money for a Ham grade repeater antenna.
> This has been my findings over the years.
> Before any one un knowingly says they do not
> make them for 440 WRONG! A suppler has
> to buy them 50 at a time then stock them till
> we buy them (we being us Hams.). So yes
> some suppliers do stock and sell the DB-404,
> 408  and yes even the 420.
> Good luck!
> Very best of 73,
> Russ, W3CH
> 
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Jeff Corkren
>   To: Repeater Builder
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 AM
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
>   Does anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for
> repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a
> broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes
> violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the
> distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna
> will be mounted. Thanks for your reply.
> 
>   Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
>   Raymond, Mississippi
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[mch]

Due to the RF or lightning? ;->

On a serious note, how do you deal with the growth of the tree? Wouldn't
it envelop your antenna?

Joe M.

Bob Dengler wrote:
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> The other spent ~20 years at the top of a 90' pine tree at 5900 ft.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[N9WYS]

I'd like to know where to get some of that special "elastic" feedline used
to feed the antenna...   hehehe

Mark - N9WYS

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Due to the RF or lightning? ;->

On a serious note, how do you deal with the growth of the tree? Wouldn't
it envelop your antenna?

Joe M.

Bob Dengler wrote:
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> The other spent ~20 years at the top of a 90' pine tree at 5900 ft.
>  The tree recently died & was cut down;






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Kevin Custer]

Hi Jeff,

I have had excellent luck with the Hustler G6-440 for repeater
operation.  There happens to be one on the highest repeater in
Pennsylvania.  Even though the antenna is quite stout, it may not be
your best choice if ice is going to be a problem.  They do duplex well
and have a nice pattern.

Kevin Custer

Jeff Corkren wrote:

  
  
  
  Does
anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for
repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a
broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes
violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the
distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the
antenna will be mounted. Thanks for your reply.















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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 02:41 PM 2/9/05, you wrote:

>ok thanks everybody for your comments regarding the Hustler antenna.  I 
>was under the impression that DB no longer manufactured antennas in the 
>ham band. It pleases me to find out that they still do.

They do, but on special order.
And, as I understand, it has to be an order of 50 or more.
There is at least one distributor that stocks ham range antennas.

>I'm using a Super Stationmaster (ham band version) at the 600 ft level for 
>receive.

Shared RX or your own antenna?
If your own, why aren't you duplexing it?

>I was hoping to purchase a good quality but more economical antenna to use 
>for transmit. A second Super Stationmaster or a DB420 would be nice but big $.

To quote WA6KLA, "Good antenna performance is not cheap."
and a good antenna is actually cheaper over time.  You can buy a
DB-420 and use it for 20 years, or you can buy 4-5 Hustlers.  By
the time you factor in the down time and your time (or someone
elses) installing the replacements, which is cheaper?

>While we are talking about the DB420 series antennas >>>
>What is the mechanical difference in the commercial and ham antenna ?

Simple ruggedness.

>I know that the harness is different. Anything else ?

The ham antenna is built to sell, the commercial is built
to perform and to last.

>I have a perfect condition DB420 (450-470 mhz) available

Four pairs of elements or eight pairs of elements?

>which receives good at 446.700 Mhz but doesn't match
>very well to my repeater transmitter at 441.700 Mhz.
>What can I do (if anything) to make this antenna perform
>better on the ham frequency ?

Flip your pair over !!! (grin)

>  If I can improve the match then I'll just use it on the repeater.

There are two PDFs for the DB420 at repeater-builder
on the antennas page.  Might be worth reading.


First of all, is your antenna made for 450-470 or 470-488?
You can check the model number on the data sheet
mentioned on the linked page above.

I'd take the length measurements for the elements
and assume that they were cut for the middle of the
appropriate range - 460mhz, or 479mhz (unlikely).

Then I'd take forward and reverse power measurements
with a handheld and a 5w Bird slug in a model 43 meter.
Do it with the antenna mounted vertically - perhaps to a
fencepost pounded into your yard at least 10 feet from
any metal. Take readings at 460.0, 459.0, 458.0, etc all
the way down to 439.0, then graph the results.  If you
discover you need more precision, go to 1/2 megahertz
steps. If it's a 470-488 antenna start at 479 and take
readings down to 439...

Next, I'd search the available literature for dipole antenna
design - start with the ARRL antenna book, or ITTs "Reference
Data for Radio Engineers".  I'd plug the measurements into the
formulas you find and see if they match.  If so, plug in 444.2
(halfway between your in and out frequencies)  and see what
the measurements should be.

The method that has been done locally is to find tubing of the
same material that fits either inside or outside the current
material and use that as an "element stretcher".
Just cut and tig-weld the new piece in to stretch your elements
to those new lengths (note that each element will need four
cuts and splices, one set above each element's feedpoint and
one set below).

Once the welding is done, remount the antenna on the test pipe
and make the same measurements again.  I think you will be
pleasantly surprised.

A new harness may be needed as well, but I'd stretch the
elements first and take measurements with the one you have.

When you are all done, consider doing a project writeup
for repeater-builder.  We'll make room for it !

Lastly, as big as the 420 is (about 20 feet long), I'd really,
really suggest side mounting over top mounting.

Note that the distance from the tower has a BIG effect on a
sidemount pattern.  At one antenna swapout I am aware of
the system owner replaced a top-mount stationmaster (which
snapped in an ice storm - that's why they make StormMasters)
with a side mount DB-228, and in the first week of use called
the new antenna an expensive piece of junk.  It turned out that
he had sidemounted it with the leftover stationmaster clamps
and had not taken the distance from the tower into account.
After a proper mounting was done at the distance recommended
by DB engineering he really changed his tune.  Now he won't
consider anything but a DB-224 or a DB-228.

>   Thanks !

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Neil McKie]

  Comes under the Stretch-o-Matic listing at radio shaft?  

  Neil 

N9WYS wrote:
> 
> I'd like to know where to get some of that special "elastic" 
> feedline used to feed the antenna...   hehehe 
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
> Due to the RF or lightning? ;->
> 
> On a serious note, how do you deal with the growth of the tree? Wouldn't
> it envelop your antenna?
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Bob Dengler wrote:
> >
> > The other spent ~20 years at the top of a 90' pine tree at 5900 ft.
> >  The tree recently died & was cut down;
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Jack Davis]

The problem is not the line, trees grow out from the center and up from the 
tip.  If you hung an antenna at 90 feet in 20 years it would still be at 90 
feet.  The mount however would be covered in bark and wood.  The tree would 
continue to grow out and eventually cover the base and what ever was in 
contact. The secret is to use a stand off to get the base as far from the 
tree as possible.  Let the stand off get covered.  When the tree hits 
anything made of copper it will start to die, copper is toxic to trees and 
enough copper under the bark will kill a tree.

Jack
K6YC
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440


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> I'd like to know where to get some of that special "elastic" feedline used
> to feed the antenna...   hehehe
>
> Mark - N9WYS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
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> Due to the RF or lightning? ;->
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> On a serious note, how do you deal with the growth of the tree? Wouldn't
> it envelop your antenna?
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> Joe M.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Q]

I once had one in a tree,used a mast all the way to the ground and 
simply used the tree to keep it vertical. Had a rope tied loosely to 
both at 3 different heights,didnt harm the tree and I could ground the 
mast. As the tree grew,we added mast! The motion when windy was a slight 
annoyance,soon forgotten. The tree was later cut down to make way for 
construction. Now I use one of those new fangled Rohn trees,but it wont 
grow no matter how much I water it.

Jack Davis wrote:

>The problem is not the line, trees grow out from the center and up from the 
>tip.  If you hung an antenna at 90 feet in 20 years it would still be at 90 
>feet.  The mount however would be covered in bark and wood.  The tree would 
>continue to grow out and eventually cover the base and what ever was in 
>contact. The secret is to use a stand off to get the base as far from the 
>tree as possible.  Let the stand off get covered.  When the tree hits 
>anything made of copper it will start to die, copper is toxic to trees and 
>enough copper under the bark will kill a tree.
>
>Jack
>K6YC
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>To: 
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>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
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>>I'd like to know where to get some of that special "elastic" feedline used
>>to feed the antenna...   hehehe
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>>Mark - N9WYS
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>>Due to the RF or lightning? ;->
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>>On a serious note, how do you deal with the growth of the tree? Wouldn't
>>it envelop your antenna?
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>>Joe M.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Neil McKie]

  Probably in the wrong part of the country. 

  Neil 


Q wrote:
> 
> I once had one in a tree,used a mast all the way to the ground and
> simply used the tree to keep it vertical. Had a rope tied loosely 
> to both at 3 different heights,didnt harm the tree and I could 
> ground the mast. As the tree grew,we added mast! The motion when 
> windy was a slight annoyance,soon forgotten. The tree was later cut 
> down to make way for construction. Now I use one of those new 
> fangled Rohn trees,but it wont grow no matter how much I water 
> it.
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> >The problem is not the line, trees grow out from the center and up from the
> >tip.  If you hung an antenna at 90 feet in 20 years it would still be at 90
> >feet.  The mount however would be covered in bark and wood.  The tree would
> >continue to grow out and eventually cover the base and what ever was in
> >contact. The secret is to use a stand off to get the base as far from the
> >tree as possible.  Let the stand off get covered.  When the tree hits
> >anything made of copper it will start to die, copper is toxic to trees and
> >enough copper under the bark will kill a tree.
> >
> >Jack
> >K6YC
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[johnmichaelwelton]

I live in Charleston SC and the DB-420 is a common commercial antenna 
around here. We had two cat 1 hurricanes this past summer and now I 
note that many if not most of the DB-420's are now bent over by 30-45 
degrees. I had one I was using for my UHF rptr before it got stolen 
(long story) and the bend was a few inches above the top mount. All 
of these antennas are hanging off the sides of roofs or top mount on 
tower sections. I have not seen the same issue with the DB224's 
around here so not sure if this issue is particular to the 420 or 
not? 

FYI, just put a MastrIIe on the air with a 450-470 DB-404 and it has 
a nearly perfect SWR and nice coverage to the metropolitan area (also 
helps when you're on the tallest building downtown, no other 
transmitters, and only have a 20ft run of LDF4 :-)

John/N4SJW


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> The G6 isn't quite as rugged as a commercial fiberglass-enclosed 
antenna, 
> but given it's short length I don't think it's much of a concern.  
If 
> severe weather is an issue, the exposed dipole designs like the DB-
408 or 
> DB-420 are probably best.
> 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6 440 MHz

[Eric Lemmon]

Jim,

About five years ago, I installed a Hustler G6-450-2 antenna at a commercial
site.  This is identical to the G6-440 antenna in construction, but is for
the 456-464 MHz band.  I had to replace it after only three years in service
because water had leaked into the base and caused significant corrosion.
Its RF performance was only so-so from day one.  After that experience, I
never again will experiment with cheap antennas.

You might think about using an offset aluminum dipole antenna, if your
repeater site is not in the center of your intended coverage area.  I've had
great results with Decibel Products DB404 and DB408 antennas.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:19 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6 440mhz

We are considering replacing a damaged antenna on a 440 machine. Anyone 
have any comments on using a Hustler G6. The antenna will be exposed to 
normal weather conditions for the northeast.( wind ice...etc..)

Jim

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[hwstar]

Richard,

Did you ever determine what the failure mode of the antennas was? Was it due to 
high power (>50W), or damage in a rough environment? This would be interesting 
as I have a couple of low level repeaters with G6-440's in a temperate climates
which have not degraded in performance.

I wouldn't want to use a G6-440 in an environment which sees any ice and wind, 
they are too frail for that environment.

Steve 
WA6ZFT





> 
> From: "Richard Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/02/09 Wed PM 12:28:47 EST
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
> 
> I started off with the 2 G6-440 my self. It lasted about a year before
> the SWR started flying thru the roof and the second about 7 months after
> that.  Pattern was ok while it lasted. Go for DB products and save
> yourself from headaches later.
> Good Luck
> Rich/N2ROW
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/9/05 8:24:41 AM >>>
> Good morning Jeff and the group,
> I have not had the best of luck
> with the Hustler G-6 why do you
> not look into something like the
> DB-404 if you need a lower end
> antenna. It will hold up nice. Or
> a mid priced DB-408 more gain
> just a bit higher in price. Or for some
> real gain the DB-420 all will do better
> then the G-6 and all will last a whole
> lot longer. Plus real gain and much
> better built. I would research the 
> commercial antennas before spending
> money for a Ham grade repeater antenna.
> This has been my findings over the years.
> Before any one un knowingly says they do not
> make them for 440 WRONG! A suppler has
> to buy them 50 at a time then stock them till
> we buy them (we being us Hams.). So yes
> some suppliers do stock and sell the DB-404,
> 408  and yes even the 420.
> Good luck!
> Very best of 73,
> Russ, W3CH
> 
>   ----- Original Message - 
>   From: Jeff Corkren 
>   To: Repeater Builder 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 AM
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
> 
>   Does anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna for
> repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a
> broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes
> violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to the
> distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the antenna
> will be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 
> 
>   Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
>   Raymond, Mississippi 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Richard Velez]

The application of the system was the following. I was using two at he
same time via filter and power divider. It was approx. 35 watts at the
antenna feed point. The G6 that failed was on the west side of the
building which faced the water inlet to NYC. That side of the building
got hit with high winds. It always failed in the winter. So possibly
heavy winds, ice build and or rain made it fail. I took the antenna home
cleaned it up checked the connections and everything seem norm. But I
still had a very high SWR. I never investigated further. I didn't want
to take a chance to have my exciter or pa fail so I ordered PD400-2. ,No
more problems. Thank GOD

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/9/05 1:32:57 PM >>>

Richard,

Did you ever determine what the failure mode of the antennas was? Was
it due to high power (>50W), or damage in a rough environment? This
would be interesting as I have a couple of low level repeaters with
G6-440's in a temperate climates
which have not degraded in performance.

I wouldn't want to use a G6-440 in an environment which sees any ice
and wind, they are too frail for that environment.

Steve 
WA6ZFT





> 
> From: "Richard Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/02/09 Wed PM 12:28:47 EST
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
> 
> I started off with the 2 G6-440 my self. It lasted about a year
before
> the SWR started flying thru the roof and the second about 7 months
after
> that.  Pattern was ok while it lasted. Go for DB products and save
> yourself from headaches later.
> Good Luck
> Rich/N2ROW
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/9/05 8:24:41 AM >>>
> Good morning Jeff and the group,
> I have not had the best of luck
> with the Hustler G-6 why do you
> not look into something like the
> DB-404 if you need a lower end
> antenna. It will hold up nice. Or
> a mid priced DB-408 more gain
> just a bit higher in price. Or for some
> real gain the DB-420 all will do better
> then the G-6 and all will last a whole
> lot longer. Plus real gain and much
> better built. I would research the 
> commercial antennas before spending
> money for a Ham grade repeater antenna.
> This has been my findings over the years.
> Before any one un knowingly says they do not
> make them for 440 WRONG! A suppler has
> to buy them 50 at a time then stock them till
> we buy them (we being us Hams.). So yes
> some suppliers do stock and sell the DB-404,
> 408  and yes even the 420.
> Good luck!
> Very best of 73,
> Russ, W3CH
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Jeff Corkren 
>   To: Repeater Builder 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 AM
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440
> 
> 
>   Does anyone have experience using the Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna
for
> repeater use ? The antenna will be mounted at the 500 ft level on a
> broadcast tower and must be capable of withstanding this sometimes
> violent environment. An upper antenna support cannot be used due to
the
> distance from the tower to the edge of the platform where the
antenna
> will be mounted. Thanks for your reply. 
> 
>   Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
>   Raymond, Mississippi 
> 
> 
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Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hustler G6-440

[Bob Dengler]

At 2/9/2005 10:32 AM, you wrote:

>Richard,
>
>Did you ever determine what the failure mode of the antennas was? Was it 
>due to high power (>50W), or damage in a rough environment? This would be 
>interesting as I have a couple of low level repeaters with G6-440's in a 
>temperate climates
>which have not degraded in performance.
>
>I wouldn't want to use a G6-440 in an environment which sees any ice and 
>wind, they are too frail for that environment.
>
>Steve
>WA6ZFT

I've used two G6-440s over a combined period of 35 years.  One was mounted 
upside down at 5200 ft. & failed after ~15 years after a storm.  It may not 
have been properly modified for the inverted installation.  The other spent 
~20 years at the top of a 90' pine tree at 5900 ft.  The tree recently died 
& was cut down; the antenna was working fine up to the last day.

The G6 isn't quite as rugged as a commercial fiberglass-enclosed antenna, 
but given it's short length I don't think it's much of a concern.  If 
severe weather is an issue, the exposed dipole designs like the DB-408 or 
DB-420 are probably best.

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