Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
WB6YMH wrote: Since we into nostalga what's the earliest date of a microprocessor based repeater or remote base controller? I built a Z80 based controller during 79 and 80 that ended up with 6 K of assembly language and 4 radio ports. I don't know much about the system, but there was a fully sunthesized computer controlled 2M remote base on the 147.33 repeater in Columbus back around 1977. A friend of mine that had moved down there used it to link to a further north repeater that I could hit from home. I know it had voice readout of frequency (digitalker!). The machine also ran RTTY at certain times. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
WB6YMH wrote: Since we into nostalga what's the earliest date of a microprocessor based repeater or remote base controller? I built a Z80 based controller during 79 and 80 that ended up with 6 K of assembly language and 4 radio ports. Ibuilt the147.300 WR9AIN repeater in New Holstein, WI in 1976 with a 45W Quintron TX and an AerotronRX. The repeater wasin myshackbecause the controller was a Southwest Technical Products Corp. 6800-based computer (kit), and I had to reload the program viaa 33ASR Teletype tape readerafter power interruptions. The SWTPCoperateda Heathkit HD-15for autopatching. DTMF decoding was via a Teltone DTMF receiver board. I laterwirewrapped a 6802-based controller, and I believe it was the first controller tohave macros. 73, Bob Bob Schmid, WA9FBOS-COM, LLC970-416-6505 voice970-419-3222 fax[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
wb6ymh wrote: I also remember your retired CHP criuzer with what was it 8 antennas and a trunk full of 80 and 140Ds? plus a rumored Master pro on the very bottom layer for security. Ah the feeling of power when you munched down on .94 and heard the 140D's dynamotor wind up! Funny you should mention that, I remember Neil's car and some of the radios too!!! Will Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
You beat me by a couple of years. I built a 22S control system from TTL that was on Palos Verdes and then later on Onyx Peak (9114 feet). The original controller used octal to set the actual N code into the 22S, but I later added a 2708 lookup table. *52 put you on 146.52, *34 put you on 146.34/146.94. Since it was all done by a lookup table it knew the band plan and would automatically select a repeater split if you dialed an input frequency or simplex on the output if you dialed an output frequency, etc. It did the right thing if you dialed *40 (people from L.A. will know that frequency). There were commands to force simplex or reverse. I can't find the schematic any longer, but I did find a control list dated 12/79 that was after the lookup table was added. My best guess is 1/79 when it first went on the air. I know my controller wasn't the first 22S controller as I later compared nodes with Greg (WB6KCD ?) who that had built a controller before I had. It also had cw unkey telemetry that sent the frequency in cw when you unkeyed. I can't tell you how sick I got of hearing 46 and 52 in cw over and over and ... It sounded like a good idea at the time. Boy those were the days ... we had the only ham box on Onyx peak for a year or so and could hear 3 states ... then a 2 meter repeater was installed. The 22S rolled over and died whenever the repeater keyed up (duh!). I'm not sure this matches your fully frequency agile definition as the 22s only covered the top 2 Mhz of the band. 73's Skip WB6YMH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is anyone aware of the earliest use of a synthesized remote base on an amateur repeater? One that allowed full frequency agility? My take is that it happened in 1976 (and of course, I think I know who did it g). Ken --- --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
Since we into nostalga what's the earliest date of a microprocessor based repeater or remote base controller? I built a Z80 based controller during 79 and 80 that ended up with 6 K of assembly language and 4 radio ports. As soon as I replace the watchdog timer's capacitor (again) it'll be back on the air. 73's WB6YMH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is anyone aware of the earliest use of a synthesized remote base on an amateur repeater? One that allowed full frequency agility? My take is that it happened in 1976 (and of course, I think I know who did it g). Ken --- --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
Well hey there Skip! Long time no chat! Indeed, the 70's were a very cool time in ham repeaterdom. Ahhh, how I miss the days of the repeater wars with the GRONK folks down in San Diego! As you may remember, our system was also located on PV. Our repeater (UHF) was a modified Pulsar II (man I hated those germanium RF transistors!) but it worked pretty well all and all. But I was sure happy to finally replace it with the Quintron (which is still going strong too). Memories..like the corner of my mind... Ken At 03:23 PM 9/20/2004 -, you wrote: You beat me by a couple of years. I built a 22S control system from TTL that was on Palos Verdes and then later on Onyx Peak (9114 feet). The original controller used octal to set the actual N code into the 22S, but I later added a 2708 lookup table. *52 put you on 146.52, *34 put you on 146.34/146.94. Since it was all done by a lookup table it knew the band plan and would automatically select a repeater split if you dialed an input frequency or simplex on the output if you dialed an output frequency, etc. It did the right thing if you dialed *40 (people from L.A. will know that frequency). There were commands to force simplex or reverse. I can't find the schematic any longer, but I did find a control list dated 12/79 that was after the lookup table was added. My best guess is 1/79 when it first went on the air. I know my controller wasn't the first 22S controller as I later compared nodes with Greg (WB6KCD ?) who that had built a controller before I had. It also had cw unkey telemetry that sent the frequency in cw when you unkeyed. I can't tell you how sick I got of hearing 46 and 52 in cw over and over and ... It sounded like a good idea at the time. Boy those were the days ... we had the only ham box on Onyx peak for a year or so and could hear 3 states ... then a 2 meter repeater was installed. The 22S rolled over and died whenever the repeater keyed up (duh!). I'm not sure this matches your fully frequency agile definition as the 22s only covered the top 2 Mhz of the band. 73's Skip WB6YMH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is anyone aware of the earliest use of a synthesized remote base on an amateur repeater? One that allowed full frequency agility? My take is that it happened in 1976 (and of course, I think I know who did it g). Ken --- --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
At 04:36 PM 9/20/2004 -, you wrote: Unfair, you've changed callsign (I think). My memory isn't that great, but I remember a Ken that lived on a house boat in San Pedro, was that you? What was your call in the good old days? What was the remote call? That'll probably jog the memory record from off line storage ! ---Yep, that was me. My old call was WA6EMV (oh no, not him!!). Back in those days, I was the typical know-it-all kid, as opposed to now being a snotty know-it-all middle aged guy! My old system was originally WR6AKB and then (of course), it became WA6EMV. We were one of the very first to be coordinated on a VHF splinter channel in SoCal - 146.745/.145, which is where we ended up after first being coordinated on 147.69/.39, which caused the conflict with the GR0NK guys. Man, I remember them programming up a CW IDer that sent the following as part of our war: - . . . - - . - . -. - . - - . . . - . . (the above is exactly what their ID sent. If you look at it in a mirror, it would say F*** EMV. I always thought that was very clever on their part! :-) I finally had enough of 2 meter repeaters and moved to UHF (443.325 I *think*) and have stayed on UHF ever since. Anyway, there's the sordid story! Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
Small, small world! If I had thought for a few seconds longer I would have remembered your call, but not the repeater's call. I also remember having heard of that particular ID machine. As I recall the repeater was a few houses down from our remote on P.V. I still have a 2 meter repeater (sort of ...TASMA would rather that I just fade away) I recently dug out my original application for a coordination dated June 78 talking about needing compatibility with your pair! I didn't recognize the callsign or frequency or the reference to 2 meter SSB activity at first. Oh well, we're probably boring the list to tears by now so I'll go back into a lurking mode. 73's Skip WB6YMH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:36 PM 9/20/2004 -, you wrote: Unfair, you've changed callsign (I think). My memory isn't that great, but I remember a Ken that lived on a house boat in San Pedro, was that you? What was your call in the good old days? What was the remote call? That'll probably jog the memory record from off line storage ! ---Yep, that was me. My old call was WA6EMV (oh no, not him!!). Back in those days, I was the typical know-it-all kid, as opposed to now being a snotty know-it-all middle aged guy! My old system was originally WR6AKB and then (of course), it became WA6EMV. We were one of the very first to be coordinated on a VHF splinter channel in SoCal - 146.745/.145, which is where we ended up after first being coordinated on 147.69/.39, which caused the conflict with the GR0NK guys. Man, I remember them programming up a CW IDer that sent the following as part of our war: - . . . - - . - . -. - . - - . . . - . . (the above is exactly what their ID sent. If you look at it in a mirror, it would say F*** EMV. I always thought that was very clever on their part! :-) I finally had enough of 2 meter repeaters and moved to UHF (443.325 I *think*) and have stayed on UHF ever since. Anyway, there's the sordid story! Ken --- --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
Hello ... Seems I still have some of my 440 MHz band coordination notes from the mid sixties ... As you might remember I was doing the 440 MHz band frequency coordination in Southern California - way long before SCRRBA came along: Some (all?) of the following will make you groan seriously ... In ... Out ... Call 440.05 448.05 W6BGM 440.55 448.55 K6VPE 440.65 448.65 K6DGX 440.85 447.94 K6QEB 440.95 448.75 WA6ESC 441.10 448.94 WA6ESC 441.25 449.25 WB6DOW 441.45 449.50 WA6HTP 441.93 449.73 K6AHF 442.00 449.60 K6RGW 441.85? 449.83 W6YDZ 442.63 449.63 WB6GUA Several of the above call sign holders have passed on, a few more are still around - somewhere - also using different calls. Frequency coordination in those days was more a matter of someone knowing who was where ... so you didn't accidentally order crystals for your RCA CMU15 or GE MC306 on a frequency already in use. It wasn't always a problem as sometimes the tweaking capacitors could move that crystal to the next channel. Hope the above gives you a smile ... Neil McKie - WA6KLA Ken Arck wrote: At 04:36 PM 9/20/2004 -, you wrote: Unfair, you've changed callsign (I think). My memory isn't that great, but I remember a Ken that lived on a house boat in San Pedro, was that you? What was your call in the good old days? What was the remote call? That'll probably jog the memory record from off line storage ! ---Yep, that was me. My old call was WA6EMV (oh no, not him!!). Back in those days, I was the typical know-it-all kid, as opposed to now being a snotty know-it-all middle aged guy! My old system was originally WR6AKB and then (of course), it became WA6EMV. We were one of the very first to be coordinated on a VHF splinter channel in SoCal - 146.745/.145, which is where we ended up after first being coordinated on 147.69/.39, which caused the conflict with the GR0NK guys. Man, I remember them programming up a CW IDer that sent the following as part of our war: - . . . - - . - . -. - . - - . . . - . . (the above is exactly what their ID sent. If you look at it in a mirror, it would say F*** EMV. I always thought that was very clever on their part! :-) I finally had enough of 2 meter repeaters and moved to UHF (443.325 I *think*) and have stayed on UHF ever since. Anyway, there's the sordid story! Ken --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kinda of a strange question
The 60's were a bit before my time, the only call I recognize is K6QEB. I sure remember WA6ZRB, WB6TSK, WA6VTD, WB6SVC, WB6SLR, etc. I also remember your retired CHP criuzer with what was it 8 antennas and a trunk full of 80 and 140Ds? plus a rumored Master pro on the very bottom layer for security. Ah the feeling of power when you munched down on .94 and heard the 140D's dynamotor wind up! I also remember something about a locking gas cap ... 73's Skip WB6YMH --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ... Seems I still have some of my 440 MHz band coordination notes from the mid sixties ... As you might remember I was doing the 440 MHz band frequency coordination in Southern California - way long before SCRRBA came along: Some (all?) of the following will make you groan seriously ... In ... Out ... Call 440.05 448.05 W6BGM 440.55 448.55 K6VPE 440.65 448.65 K6DGX 440.85 447.94 K6QEB 440.95 448.75 WA6ESC 441.10 448.94 WA6ESC 441.25 449.25 WB6DOW 441.45 449.50 WA6HTP 441.93 449.73 K6AHF 442.00 449.60 K6RGW 441.85? 449.83 W6YDZ 442.63 449.63 WB6GUA Several of the above call sign holders have passed on, a few more are still around - somewhere - also using different calls. Frequency coordination in those days was more a matter of someone knowing who was where ... so you didn't accidentally order crystals for your RCA CMU15 or GE MC306 on a frequency already in use. It wasn't always a problem as sometimes the tweaking capacitors could move that crystal to the next channel. Hope the above gives you a smile ... Neil McKie - WA6KLA Ken Arck wrote: At 04:36 PM 9/20/2004 -, you wrote: Unfair, you've changed callsign (I think). My memory isn't that great, but I remember a Ken that lived on a house boat in San Pedro, was that you? What was your call in the good old days? What was the remote call? That'll probably jog the memory record from off line storage ! ---Yep, that was me. My old call was WA6EMV (oh no, not him!!). Back in those days, I was the typical know-it-all kid, as opposed to now being a snotty know-it-all middle aged guy! My old system was originally WR6AKB and then (of course), it became WA6EMV. We were one of the very first to be coordinated on a VHF splinter channel in SoCal - 146.745/.145, which is where we ended up after first being coordinated on 147.69/.39, which caused the conflict with the GR0NK guys. Man, I remember them programming up a CW IDer that sent the following as part of our war: - . . . - - . - . -. - . - - . . . - . . (the above is exactly what their ID sent. If you look at it in a mirror, it would say F*** EMV. I always thought that was very clever on their part! :-) I finally had enough of 2 meter repeaters and moved to UHF (443.325 I *think*) and have stayed on UHF ever since. Anyway, there's the sordid story! Ken --- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
