Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
At 5/6/2008 19:39, you wrote: Yes, this would be the obvious hard part. My immediate interest is to decode the data stream establish the protocol coming out of the controller. Once that's done, each radio's control format can be individually addressed. It's documented in several places. Here's comments from my code that has the essentials: Woohoo, the Doug Hall Rosetta Stone! Thanks, Skip. One question: Byte lsb bit of byte 1 shifted in first OK, but then the rest of the bytes are listed MSB first: Byte 2: B7 - TX power, 1 = on B6 - RX power, 1 = on B5, B4 - Tx power: Are the other bytes reversed (MSB clocked in first), or are all bytes LSB first? Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one
At 5/4/2008 04:48, you wrote: Setting up a remote base can be a chore. What one wants in it is so often so different. Most simply want a link to another repeater or frequency. With this one can talk about the gerneric interface using ptt, rx tx audio and cos. The first 3 are easy to get, but still require some conditioning. The COS, unless one is using a commercial rig, has to be dug into the radio and found. It is there, but where and there are so many rigs. The above is trivial IMO. I'm talking about full radio control. Now if one wants freq control then the various manufactures use different standards requiring a custom interface for each. Some manufactures have radically different protocol from radio to radio. Yeasu is famous for this. Things have settled somewhat. One could take a PC and use something like HRD or the like, but now one is getting into a lot of hardware, not just a radio. I think microcontrollers of today are capable enough to handle this. All that is needed is some memory to handle lookup tables for the various protocols extra program code, and maybe even a DTMF encoder for controlling radios like the Kenwood TM-G707. Speed should not be an issue. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
At 5/3/2008 21:47, you wrote: Re: Doug Hall RBI-1 Hi Bob, The problem is we paid so much for the fricken' box that none of us want to get up off ours because we'd never be able to ask enough money to make it worth our while. How much were they new? ~$400? It would hard to impossible to clone the RBI-1 unless you could work a deal to buy the already programmed processor chip from Doug Hall, probably via Duane. Even though the unit is out of production I'd bet they're not going to share the code yet. It would be interesting to find out if they'd even sell the pre-programmed processor chip. I doubt it, since the processor is ~90% of the unit. My approach would be reverse-engineering, so there would be no dependency on the old, obsolete hardware (must be the reason they no longer sell the unit: processor no longer available no easy migration path to new hardware). Yeah, you could design your own but it's a lot of trouble when every mfgr probably has a different format, connector, data signaling level/method. Yes, this would be the obvious hard part. My immediate interest is to decode the data stream establish the protocol coming out of the controller. Once that's done, each radio's control format can be individually addressed. Probably better to let the various Repeater Controller Mfgrs have a go at building it into their controllers. Resistance is futile... Hasn't really happened yet, so I don't expect it to. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
Have you looked into the arcom controllers, they have remote base radio control. I use one with my yaesu 857 and it works great. All modes. All bands. That was until my receiver died Rob. KS4EC Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one? At 5/3/2008 21:47, you wrote: Re: Doug Hall RBI-1 Hi Bob, The problem is we paid so much for the fricken' box that none of us want to get up off ours because we'd never be able to ask enough money to make it worth our while. How much were they new? ~$400? It would hard to impossible to clone the RBI-1 unless you could work a deal to buy the already programmed processor chip from Doug Hall, probably via Duane. Even though the unit is out of production I'd bet they're not going to share the code yet. It would be interesting to find out if they'd even sell the pre-programmed processor chip. I doubt it, since the processor is ~90% of the unit. My approach would be reverse-engineering, so there would be no dependency on the old, obsolete hardware (must be the reason they no longer sell the unit: processor no longer available no easy migration path to new hardware). Yeah, you could design your own but it's a lot of trouble when every mfgr probably has a different format, connector, data signaling level/method. Yes, this would be the obvious hard part. My immediate interest is to decode the data stream establish the protocol coming out of the controller. Once that's done, each radio's control format can be individually addressed. Probably better to let the various Repeater Controller Mfgrs have a go at building it into their controllers. Resistance is futile... Hasn't really happened yet, so I don't expect it to. Bob NO6B Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
At 5/4/2008 12:36, you wrote: Have you looked into the arcom controllers, they have remote base radio control. I use one with my yaesu 857 and it works great. All modes. All bands. That was until my receiver died The Arcom controllers do not suit my needs. Bob NO6B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
I know the original poster was looking for an RBI-1 but it may be more practical in the long run to look at another controller like the RC 210. It is capable of controlling several newer types of remote base radios by itself and in kit form I belive sells for about what the Doug hall sold for. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/rc210/rc210.html tom [Original Message] From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/4/2008 12:59:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one? The problem is we paid so much for the fricken' box that none of us want to get up off ours because we'd never be able to ask enough money to make it worth our while. How much were they new? ~$400? Yep, somewhere around that amount... It would hard to impossible to clone the RBI-1 unless you could work a deal to buy the already programmed processor chip from Doug Hall, probably via Duane. Even though the unit is out of production I'd bet they're not going to share the code yet. It would be interesting to find out if they'd even sell the pre-programmed processor chip. I doubt it, since the processor is ~90% of the unit. Yep... most of the magic is in the main processor chip. My approach would be reverse-engineering, so there would be no dependency on the old, obsolete hardware (must be the reason they no longer sell the unit: processor no longer available no easy migration path to new hardware). I seem to remember Duane Hall telling me something like that in addition to not enough demand. My immediate interest is to decode the data stream establish the protocol coming out of the controller. Once that's done, each radio's control format can be individually addressed. There are or were some generic controller formats. That information was at one time available from some radio and controller mfgrs. Then the variants started and everything became proprietary and unavailable. Probably better to let the various Repeater Controller Mfgrs have a go at building it into their controllers. Resistance is futile... Hasn't really happened yet, so I don't expect it to. Bob NO6B You are probably right... cheers, s. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: 4/29/2008 6:27 PM
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Still looking for an RBI-1; maybe I have to build one?
At 5/4/2008 20:20, you wrote: I know the original poster was looking for an RBI-1 but it may be more practical in the long run to look at another controller like the RC 210. It is capable of controlling several newer types of remote base radios by itself and in kit form I belive sells for about what the Doug hall sold for. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/rc210/rc210.htmlhttp://www.arcomcontrollers.com/rc210/rc210.html The RC-210 does not suit my needs. It also doesn't (nor does any other controller) control the Kenwood TM-xx1 mobiles. Bob NO6B
