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It should be obvious, but I will remind those not familiar with crimping tools that it is the finished SIZE of the hex crimp that is important, not the BRAND of the crimping tool. Due to their consistent quality and performance, I use RF Industries premium (silver-plated body and gold-plated center contact, with Teflon dielectric) connectors for all applications. For example, I use an RFI male N connector #RFN-1005-3C for both RG-58/U and RG-400/U cable, and I have extra ferrules to accommodate the very slightly larger outer diameter of the RG-400/U cable- even though the standard ferrule works just fine. The RFI crimping instructions state that a 0.100 crimp is required for the center pin, and a 0.213 crimp is required for the ferrule. I have RFI, Amphenol, Kings, and Mil-Spec crimping tools with these hex dies, and the results are indistinguishable from each other. When you buy bulk no-name connectors at a Hamfest, you have no idea what tools are required to install them, nor do you know what the proper cable stripping dimensions are. Given the importance of proper RF cabling in a station installation, I cannot conceive of any reason why it makes sense to gamble on what may be factory rejects. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yahoo Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Have used this set http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20878 http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20878 for hundreds of cables in varying sizes, mostly RF Industries connectors, crimped pin and furel, swept with Anritsu. Use the right connector for the right job paying attention to dissimilar metal properties, size etc. Take your time and adjust your tools properly. I have used far more expensive crimp tools but have had no quality or performance differences in the end result. Jeff
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Jeff - that was an outstanding tutorial...exactly what I was hoping to find. Thank you for taking the time to put all that info in one place. Dennis On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jeff DePoloj...@broadsci.com wrote: Doh! I'll take your word for it. I have a couple of KTH-1000's, and although most of my dies are also made by Kings, I have a few dies that aren't Kings, and I could have sworn they were Daniels but maybe I'm mis-remembering. Maybe they're Astro? I'll try to remember to check. Thanks for catching that. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Jeff, What an excellent tutorial. This should be a permanent article on the Repeater-buiilder site! Adding some pictures of the various crimp tools and the crimping process would make it complete. BTW - for those looking to buy one of these tools - although the Daniels HX4 and Kings KTH1000 crimpers look identical, their dies do not interchange. wb0emu -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Jeff DePolo j...@... wrote: OK, here's probably more than you ever wanted to know about crimp tools, crimp connectors, and how they work. ... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/22/09 05:59:00 -- I've been wondering lately...Where am I going and why AM I in this hand basket?? - Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA
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Have used this set http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20878 for hundreds of cables in varying sizes, mostly RF Industries connectors, crimped pin and furel, swept with Anritsu. Use the right connector for the right job paying attention to dissimilar metal properties, size etc. Take your time and adjust your tools properly. I have used far more expensive crimp tools but have had no quality or performance differences in the end result. Jeff
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Would anyone care to comment on and compare the tools offered by both Paladin and RF Industries, as well as the link earlier in this thread? Not cheap, but not the several hundred dollars either as quoted by someone above. OK, here's probably more than you ever wanted to know about crimp tools, crimp connectors, and how they work. First, there are two components to a crimp tool - the frame (the handles, or the crimper) and dies (the pieces with the appropriate-size holes of the appropriate size for the cable and connector you're crimping). There are some cheap crimp tools that don't use interchangable dies (for example, the kind of F connector crimp tool you might get at Radio Shack); I'm leaving those out as I'm guessing that's not what you're interested in. Crimp dies usually have two kinds of holes/shapes in them - one for crimping the ferrule (the tubular piece that goes over the shield) and one for crimping the center pin. Some dies, most often for those designed for small-diameter cables have multiple ferrule and pin crimp holes to handle a couple of different cable/connector types. For example, a particular crimp die might do Type N, BNC, and TNC on both RG58 and also RG59. The holes in the dies are most often hex shaped. This is almost always the case for the ferrule crimp, and most of the time for the pin crimp. Some pin crimps are round, oblong, or square, but they're more the exception than the norm. So when you hear someone say hex crimp, they're talking about the shape that the crimp tool/die makes when it compresses the ferrule or center pin. The two most-common types of frames and dies are a) the Kings standard and b) the type used by Paladin, RFI, Ideal, Wireless Solutions (Tessco), Seargent, and others. The dies for the a) and b) types are not interchangable. For the most part, dies made by the companies listed in b) are interchangable among manufacturers (emphasis on for the most part). The Kings type crimp tools have dies which come together flush. The crimp tool compresses one die up against a fixed die along a straight-line path to make the crimp. The Paladin et al style has more of a scissors action where the two halves of the die come together at a bit of an angle rather than perfectly parallel. The Kings type arguably a better method, but as I'll get to, it's significantly more expensive. The Kings variety has dies which can be swapped in and out of the frame easily. The other varities usually require screws to be removed. The screws hold the die into the frame. On the nicer crimp tools, kurled thumbscrews are used, so it only takes a few seconds to swap dies. On others, you need to use a screwdriver to remove them. Fortunately, the screws are a standard size (10-32 if I remember right), so even if the tool you buy doesn't have thumbscrews you can get them from somewhere else (Paladin sells them, or you can get thumbscrews from McMaster-Carr or similiar places). The standard Kings frame is KTH-1000. The Daniels HX4 is basically a clone of the Kings KTH-5000. Kings, Daniels, et al make other models, but the KTH-5000 is the most common style. The KTH-1000 can be found here: http://www.kingselectronics.com/Portals/0/SalesPDF/KTH-1000_SD.pdf Figure you'll pay $300 for a KTH-1000 frame and $125 and up for each die. Among the b) types, you have lots of choices. My preferred frame is the Paladin CrimpAll 8000 which can be found here: http://www.paladintools.com/view_category.php?id=136 A Paladin 8000 should run about $50 for the frame and dies are about $20 or so. I like the CrimpAll because it has longer handles than many of the other styles of crimp frames, giving you more leverage for a tight crimp and less fatigue (important if you're doing many connectors, especially on larger cables). Paladin's earlier tool was the 1300 series, which is a good tool, but not quite as nice as the 8000. Dies are interchangable between the 1300 and 8000 (the 1600 series tool uses different dies, I'd avoid that one as there are fewer other brands that are compatible). At the risk of creating undue confusion, I should mention Kings also makes a crimp frame that's similar to the Paladin et al versions, and uses that style of dies, it's a KTH-5000. But when you talk about Kings type crimp tools, most people will assume you mean the KTH-1000 variety. The KTH-5000 was added to King's product line later to maintain some compatibility (if not competition) with the other manufacturers' offerings. The KTH-5000 is a lot like the Paladin 8000 discussed above. Likewise, RF Industries and others make Kings KTH-1000 clones. Like everything else in electronics, the nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from... I should mention that aside from crimping connectors on coax (hex crimps), you can also get dies to do RJ type connectors (RJ-11, RJ45, etc.), fiber optic connectors, wire terminals (spade lugs, ring lugs, butt splices), etc. So one frame can do
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
The standard Kings frame is KTH-1000. The Daniels HX4 is basically a clone of the Kings KTH-5000. Kings, Daniels, et al make other models, but the KTH-5000 is the most common style. Sorry. Replace KTH-5000 with KTH-1000 in the above paragraph...
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I have never met Jeff or crimped RF connectors but now I feel like an expert! Thanks Jeff. Don Kirchner W5DK
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I'd like that information also. I know that some of the more technically proficient hams out there who do RF design / installation for a living use crimp only connectors, and swear by them. Are there other vendors out there that people have used which are comparable to the major players? Don, KD9PT I use Paladin. Seems to be a popular brand. Chuck WB2EDV I think Chuck was suggesting Paladin as a good brand of *tools* (which I agree with), not connectors which is what I think you were asking about. For me, the best bang for the buck is quite often RF Industries connectors. While they do make some lower-grade connectors, their silver-plated teflon connectors are very good (BNC, TNC, N, UHF). We always sweep-test cables on the network analyzer before delivery/installation, and the RFI connectors perform well. The machining and plating is well above average. If you buy from a good distributor (we use Tessco a lot), pricing is very competitive. For example, a silver-teflon type N male for RG400/RG142B is about $3.25 my price. The same for RG214 is $4. Huber+Suhner connectors are extremely well made. I can't think of any other manufacturer, except for maybe Delta, that has such nice machining and plating as H+S. When you mate two H+S or Delta connectors together, they tighten smooth as silk. The H+S Sucoplate finish is very nice, doesn't tarnish like silver, yet has very good IMD performance. Expect to pay 2x to 5x for H+S or Delta connectors as compared to RF Industries though. For mid-grade connectors, some of the Amphenol crimp connectors are OK. Amphenol makes two grades of connectors. Their standard line that they've made forever just goes by Amphenol. Their lower-tier line is Amphenol RFX (part numbers usually have a -RFX suffix). Kings connectors are very good, but are above-average in terms of cost. Times-Microwave connectors for LMR series are OK, but I don't like the EZ series. Brands I generally avoid include Cambridge and AIM (both now owned by Emerson). 90% of the un-branded RF connectors (and adapters) you'll find on eBay or at hamfests is crap, sorry to be blunt. If you're going to bargain hunt on eBay or hamfests, look for name brands, don't buy the no-name generics, a lot of which seems to come from China (not that everything that comes from China is bad mind you). If you want to take the time to wade through hamfests and eBay, it's not unusual to be able to find quality name-brand connectors at good prices. For me, time is the one resource I've never had enough of, and it's the one resource you can't make more of, so spending an hour or two walking a hamfest just to save a dollar on a connector isn't a bargain to me, except for maybe at Dayton when I'm on vacation and bargain-hunting is an activity done for pleasure rather than out of necessity. But if you have the time to look, I'm sure you'll find some bargains out there... --- Jeff WN3A
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Doh! I'll take your word for it. I have a couple of KTH-1000's, and although most of my dies are also made by Kings, I have a few dies that aren't Kings, and I could have sworn they were Daniels but maybe I'm mis-remembering. Maybe they're Astro? I'll try to remember to check. Thanks for catching that. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nj902 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Jeff, What an excellent tutorial. This should be a permanent article on the Repeater-buiilder site! Adding some pictures of the various crimp tools and the crimping process would make it complete. BTW - for those looking to buy one of these tools - although the Daniels HX4 and Kings KTH1000 crimpers look identical, their dies do not interchange. wb0emu -- --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Jeff DePolo j...@... wrote: OK, here's probably more than you ever wanted to know about crimp tools, crimp connectors, and how they work. ... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/22/09 05:59:00
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Many of these connectors show up at hamfests with no instructions, sometimes with very vague identification markings. I was just wondering if anyone had a simpler way to get the information than browsing many sites looking for information. Joe Barry wrote: It never occurred to me in fact that someone wouldn't work it out as self evident , after 30 years they generally work :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k1ike_m...@snet.net Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:56:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Many of these connectors show up at hamfests with no instructions, sometimes with very vague identification markings. Is buying at the ham fest a saving ? I occasionally enjoy the bs session and sometimes find a bargain but much of what I see these days is expensive and often oddball - that being negative sadly I was just wondering if anyone had a simpler way to get the information than browsing many sites looking for information. buying from a reputable source seems a good idea Joe Barry wrote: It never occurred to me in fact that someone wouldn't work it out as self evident , after 30 years they generally work :) Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1_t=773166090_r=Hotmail_Endtext_m=EXT
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My advice is to stick with a name-brand connector. Then you don't need to worry about any differences or quality issues. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Many of these connectors show up at hamfests with no instructions, sometimes with very vague identification markings. I was just wondering if anyone had a simpler way to get the information than browsing many sites looking for information. Joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, buying at a hamfest can be a great savings, if you know what you are buying. That's exactly why I am asking this question. Knowing what you are buying is always the key to success at a hamfest. Those who get disappointed are usually the impulse buyers or those who have not done their homework. Joe Barry wrote: Is buying at the ham fest a saving ? I occasionally enjoy the bs session and sometimes find a bargain but much of what I see these days is expensive and often oddball - that being negative sadly I was just wondering
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I agree with Joe. I've been successfully buying and selling at Hamfests for years. It always seems that the lids and ticket holders have worst luck with their impulse buying. IMHO. *Real *Hams know the score. de Lee K4LJP 73 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net wrote: Yes, buying at a hamfest can be a great savings, if you know what you are buying. That's exactly why I am asking this question. Knowing what you are buying is always the key to success at a hamfest. Those who get disappointed are usually the impulse buyers or those who have not done their homework. Joe Barry wrote: Is buying at the ham fest a saving ? I occasionally enjoy the bs session and sometimes find a bargain but much of what I see these days is expensive and often oddball - that being negative sadly I was just wondering -- Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid.
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In an attempt to bring this thread back.grin... Would anyone care to comment on and compare the tools offered by both Paladin and RF Industries, as well as the link earlier in this thread? Not cheap, but not the several hundred dollars either as quoted by someone above. I've had the same questions as I am also considering a crimp only station. For the most part, everything I've read leans strongly to the view that crimping is at least as good if not better as soldering (with the usual caveats as to quality of the tools employed). Thanks! Dennis On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Lee Penningtonlocaljunkpedd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Joe. I've been successfully buying and selling at Hamfests for years. It always seems that the lids and ticket holders have worst luck with their impulse buying. IMHO. Real Hams know the score. de Lee K4LJP 73 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net wrote: -- I've been wondering lately...Where am I going and why AM I in this hand basket?? - Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA
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I'd like that information also. I know that some of the more technically proficient hams out there who do RF design / installation for a living use crimp only connectors, and swear by them. Are there other vendors out there that people have used which are comparable to the major players? Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors In an attempt to bring this thread back.grin... Would anyone care to comment on and compare the tools offered by both Paladin and RF Industries, as well as the link earlier in this thread? Not cheap, but not the several hundred dollars either as quoted by someone above. I've had the same questions as I am also considering a crimp only station. For the most part, everything I've read leans strongly to the view that crimping is at least as good if not better as soldering (with the usual caveats as to quality of the tools employed). Thanks! Dennis On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Lee Penningtonlocaljunkpedd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Joe. I've been successfully buying and selling at Hamfests for years. It always seems that the lids and ticket holders have worst luck with their impulse buying. IMHO. Real Hams know the score. de Lee K4LJP 73 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net wrote: -- I've been wondering lately...Where am I going and why AM I in this hand basket?? - Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA Yahoo! Groups Links
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I use Paladin. Seems to be a popular brand. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Don Kupferschmidt d...@httpd.org To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors I'd like that information also. I know that some of the more technically proficient hams out there who do RF design / installation for a living use crimp only connectors, and swear by them. Are there other vendors out there that people have used which are comparable to the major players? Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Dennis Wade sacramento.cycl...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors In an attempt to bring this thread back.grin... Would anyone care to comment on and compare the tools offered by both Paladin and RF Industries, as well as the link earlier in this thread? Not cheap, but not the several hundred dollars either as quoted by someone above. I've had the same questions as I am also considering a crimp only station. For the most part, everything I've read leans strongly to the view that crimping is at least as good if not better as soldering (with the usual caveats as to quality of the tools employed). Thanks! Dennis On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Lee Penningtonlocaljunkpedd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Joe. I've been successfully buying and selling at Hamfests for years. It always seems that the lids and ticket holders have worst luck with their impulse buying. IMHO. Real Hams know the score. de Lee K4LJP 73 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net wrote: -- I've been wondering lately...Where am I going and why AM I in this hand basket?? - Dennis L. Wade KG6ZI Carmichael, CA Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
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Personally I cant agree with the saving thing , my wholesaler supplies bnc as an example in a brand name for under90c last h/f I went too wanted much more for some asian rubbish , normally if a ham asks locally at a trade supplier you get a great price after some explanation and your prepared to buy the bag not just one or two . I am off to another here in Qld saturday morning about 3 hours away so maybe I will find a gem ( not holding the breath though) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k1ike_m...@snet.net Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:29:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Yes, buying at a hamfest can be a great savings, if you know what you are buying. That's exactly why I am asking this question. Knowing what you are buying is always the key to success at a hamfest. Those who get disappointed are usually the impulse buyers or those who have not done their homework. Joe Barry wrote: Is buying at the ham fest a saving ? I occasionally enjoy the bs session and sometimes find a bargain but much of what I see these days is expensive and often oddball - that being negative sadly I was just wondering _ Need a new model in your life? Sell your car fast. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F866383_t=758314219_r=carpoint_tagline_m=EXT
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http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20878 -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:32 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors I wonder what you call not cheap? I paid lots for my soldering station and much less for my crimps ($80.00) as example for coax , the current crimps have done many thousands of connectors and might be replaced before i retire which will mean 2 decades of use . To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: w9xt...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:01:03 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors My experience has been that if you use a high quality cable, high quality connector and crimping dies made specifically for the particular cable and connectors...crimp-on will working very well. It won't be cheap though. I have, when practical, soldered the connector tip to the cable...after crimping, as an added insurance for a positive connection. If done corrctly and with high quality material, I now prefer crimped connections. Dave, W9XTZ _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D 1046138%26r2s%3D1_t=773166090_r=Hotmail_Endtext_m=EXT Yahoo! Groups Links
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Tells me little , worth every penny but for the amateur a 20$ pair would suffice . To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: ya...@icsradio.com Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:01:20 -0700 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=20878 -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:32 PM To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors I wonder what you call not cheap? I paid lots for my soldering station and much less for my crimps ($80.00) as example for coax , the current crimps have done many thousands of connectors and might be replaced before i retire which will mean 2 decades of use . To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: w9xt...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:01:03 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors My experience has been that if you use a high quality cable, high quality connector and crimping dies made specifically for the particular cable and connectors...crimp-on will working very well. It won't be cheap though. I have, when practical, soldered the connector tip to the cable...after crimping, as an added insurance for a positive connection. If done corrctly and with high quality material, I now prefer crimped connections. Dave, W9XTZ __ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau% 2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18% 26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D 1046138%26r2s%3D1_t=773166090_r=Hotmail_Endtext_m=EXT Yahoo! Groups Links _ What goes online, stays online Check the daily blob for the latest on what's happening around the web http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx
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Years ago, TX/RX Systems studied crimped connectors and concluded that a properly crimped RF connector (center pin soldered) provided a superior mechanical connection while maintaining the required electrical specifications. This information came from an individual who worked at their Angola, NY facility for many years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Barry ate...@hotmail.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Tells me little , worth every penny but for the amateur a 20$ pair would suffice .
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
Also, the Air Force did a similar study and concluded the same thing with crimped center pins. When properly installed, I never had one go bad. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Years ago, TX/RX Systems studied crimped connectors and concluded that a properly crimped RF connector (center pin soldered) provided a superior mechanical connection while maintaining the required electrical specifications. This information came from an individual who worked at their Angola, NY facility for many years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Barry ate...@hotmail.com mailto:atec77%40hotmail.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Tells me little , worth every penny but for the amateur a 20$ pair would suffice . image001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Top quality crimpers are a must, though. Richard http://www.n7tgb.net/ www.n7tgb.net The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. -Margaret Thatcher _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Also, the Air Force did a similar study and concluded the same thing with crimped center pins. When properly installed, I never had one go bad. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Years ago, TX/RX Systems studied crimped connectors and concluded that a properly crimped RF connector (center pin soldered) provided a superior mechanical connection while maintaining the required electrical specifications. This information came from an individual who worked at their Angola, NY facility for many years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Barry ate...@hotmail. mailto:atec77%40hotmail.com com To: repeater-builder@ mailto:repeater-builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Tells me little , worth every penny but for the amateur a 20$ pair would suffice .
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
Absolutely. The words properly installed are key! All of our crimpers were of the removable die variety and the crimpers ran several hundred bucks. Dies varied in price, but most were $50 - $100. Pricy, but considering the consequences of failure for some systems, it was money well spent. Top quality connectors are a must as well. All of ours were either Amphenol or King and they worked flawlessly. 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:26 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Top quality crimpers are a must, though. Richard www.n7tgb.net The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. -Margaret Thatcher From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Also, the Air Force did a similar study and concluded the same thing with crimped center pins. When properly installed, I never had one go bad. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Years ago, TX/RX Systems studied crimped connectors and concluded that a properly crimped RF connector (center pin soldered) provided a superior mechanical connection while maintaining the required electrical specifications. This information came from an individual who worked at their Angola, NY facility for many years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Barry ate...@hotmail.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Tells me little , worth every penny but for the amateur a 20$ pair would suffice .
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
Here's a question: Where do you get the cable preparation for the crimp-on connectors. Connectors that we have ordered from Tessco, etc, come in a bag but with no installation instructions. Joe Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Absolutely. The words ‘properly installed’ are key! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
Joe, Who manufactured them? Amp and King usually included instructions (at least in our MILSPEC packing anyhow), but for bulk orders they may not. Check the manufacturers website... my experience is that different companies use slightly different measurements, which is why we always used Amp/King (which used the same measurements). Good luck. Mike WM4B -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:05 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Here's a question: Where do you get the cable preparation for the crimp-on connectors. Connectors that we have ordered from Tessco, etc, come in a bag but with no installation instructions. Joe Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Absolutely. The words 'properly installed' are key! Yahoo! Groups Links
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It never occurred to me in fact that someone wouldn't work it out as self evident , after 30 years they generally work :) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k1ike_m...@snet.net Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:04:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors Here's a question: Where do you get the cable preparation for the crimp-on connectors. Connectors that we have ordered from Tessco, etc, come in a bag but with no installation instructions. Joe Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Absolutely. The words ‘properly installed’ are key! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors
I wonder what you call not cheap? I paid lots for my soldering station and much less for my crimps ($80.00) as example for coax , the current crimps have done many thousands of connectors and might be replaced before i retire which will mean 2 decades of use . To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: w9xt...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:01:03 + Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crimping vs soldering types of coax connectors My experience has been that if you use a high quality cable, high quality connector and crimping dies made specifically for the particular cable and connectors...crimp-on will working very well. It won't be cheap though. I have, when practical, soldered the connector tip to the cable...after crimping, as an added insurance for a positive connection. If done corrctly and with high quality material, I now prefer crimped connections. Dave, W9XTZ _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsearch%2Fsearch%2Easpx%3Fexec%3Dgo%26tp%3Dq%26gc%3D2%26tr%3D1%26lage%3D18%26uage%3D55%26cl%3D14%26sl%3D0%26dist%3D50%26po%3D1%26do%3D2%26trackingid%3D1046138%26r2s%3D1_t=773166090_r=Hotmail_Endtext_m=EXT
