Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
Thanks to everybody I wll go with the duplexers --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO wrote: From: ZPO Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:22 PM I trust Eric's experience and software more than my SWAG any day. Given the prices for mobile notch duplexers, I don't see a reason not to use one. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Eric Lemmon wrote: > Robert, > > I put 50 watts and 0.3 uV at GMRS frequencies into my Comm Shop for Windows > program, and it suggests that 73 dB of isolation is needed to avoid desense. > This amount of isolation can be achieved with about 39 feet of vertical > antenna separation or about 1020 feet of horizontal separation. Since you > can use a typical mobile notch duplexer for this application, it hardly > makes any sense to erect a tower so that you can run two antennas. Even so, > you should elevate your antenna as much as possible if you expect to get any > decent range. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boles > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:46 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) > > > > it is 50 watts out, its at my home , and no other repeater with miles of > this location and i have the ant and hard line > > --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO wrote: > > > > From: ZPO > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:18 PM > > > > Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be > located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd > antenna and 2nd run of superflex. > > 73-N5VFF/Brian > > On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert <http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bobeic2%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type > of cable to use ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
I trust Eric's experience and software more than my SWAG any day. Given the prices for mobile notch duplexers, I don't see a reason not to use one. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Eric Lemmon wrote: > Robert, > > I put 50 watts and 0.3 uV at GMRS frequencies into my Comm Shop for Windows > program, and it suggests that 73 dB of isolation is needed to avoid desense. > This amount of isolation can be achieved with about 39 feet of vertical > antenna separation or about 1020 feet of horizontal separation. Since you > can use a typical mobile notch duplexer for this application, it hardly > makes any sense to erect a tower so that you can run two antennas. Even so, > you should elevate your antenna as much as possible if you expect to get any > decent range. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boles > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:46 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) > > > > it is 50 watts out, its at my home , and no other repeater with miles of > this location and i have the ant and hard line > > --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO wrote: > > > > From: ZPO > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:18 PM > > > > Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be > located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd > antenna and 2nd run of superflex. > > 73-N5VFF/Brian > > On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert <http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bobeic2%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type > of cable to use ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
Robert, I put 50 watts and 0.3 uV at GMRS frequencies into my Comm Shop for Windows program, and it suggests that 73 dB of isolation is needed to avoid desense. This amount of isolation can be achieved with about 39 feet of vertical antenna separation or about 1020 feet of horizontal separation. Since you can use a typical mobile notch duplexer for this application, it hardly makes any sense to erect a tower so that you can run two antennas. Even so, you should elevate your antenna as much as possible if you expect to get any decent range. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boles Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:46 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) it is 50 watts out, its at my home , and no other repeater with miles of this location and i have the ant and hard line --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO wrote: From: ZPO Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:18 PM Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd antenna and 2nd run of superflex. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bobeic2%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type of cable to use ? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
Here is a link to a page on the RB web site - http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/separation.html Per the graphs - 25-30ft of vertical separation between antenna centers should get you approximately 65dB of isolation. 800-900ft of horizontal separation would be required to get the same isolation. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Robert Boles wrote: > > > it is 50 watts out, its at my home , and no other repeater with miles of > this location and i have the ant and hard line > > --- On *Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO * wrote: > > > From: ZPO > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:18 PM > > > > Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be > located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd > antenna and 2nd run of superflex. > > 73-N5VFF/Brian > > On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert > http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bobeic2%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type of > cable to use ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
it is 50 watts out, its at my home , and no other repeater with miles of this location and i have the ant and hard line --- On Sat, 5/29/10, ZPO wrote: From: ZPO Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:18 PM Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd antenna and 2nd run of superflex. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert wrote: > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type of cable to > use ? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater ANT (UHF)
Depends on the power level. What type of site will the repeater be located at? A duplexer is probably going to be cheaper than a 2nd antenna and 2nd run of superflex. 73-N5VFF/Brian On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Robert wrote: > how much space is needed between the TX and RX ant and which type of cable to > use ? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Project Progress
Sounds like your on your way. My past boss had once said. BOY'S YOU CAN'T PLAY RADIO UNLESS YOU HAVE FREQ'S. If your looking for a GMRS frequency contact me off the list. Mike Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kc8gpd Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:52 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Project Progress Got a Motorola Desktrac, 150 ft 1/2 inch hardline, PD Station Master, Surge Arrestor, LMR 400 Jumpers, 6 Cavity Notch Duplexer. I have will over on batlabs tuning up the duplexer and recapping/aligning my spectra's, and re aligning my sabers. i am thinking that i will turn the power down on the desktrac to 10-15 watts. still don't have a GMRS license or a site for the repeater. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.76/2518 - Release Date: 11/22/09 07:38:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
According to my second sentence it is more the rule than the exception. I have said enough, I wish you the best! 73's. -- Original message -- From: Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXCEPTIONS > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's kind of a > harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of > us > use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe > they'll get interested and get a ticket. Others may "know enough" but simply > have no desire to become hams. Many users are Fire and emergency notification > nets. I can communicate with my non ham family using my same gear that I use > on > Ham. Craig > PS, my friend who is a non ham, but a GMRS user has a PHD in Physics and a > is a > digital electronics design engineer! Probably knows enough. > -- Original message -- > From: Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS > > didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. > > > > The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) > > > > 73 > > > > Jack > > > > > > Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On > Thu, 24 > Jan > > 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > > > GMRS repeater." > > > > > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > > > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > > > fun that goes along with it. > > > > "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" > > "Because it feels so good when I stop." > > > > ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... > > > > -- > > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. > > --rly > > > > > > > > > > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > >From:Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater > Date:Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:52:12 + > > There are certainly exceptions but most people I > know > who do GMRS > didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. > > The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) > > 73 > > Jack > > > Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > > GMRS repeater." > > > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > > fun that goes along with it. > > "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" > "Because it feels so good when I stop." > > ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. >--rly > > > > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --- Begin Message --- THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXCEPTIONScraigclarknh@comcast.net wrote: That's kind of a harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of us use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe they'll get interested and get a ticket. Others may "know enough" but simply have no desire to become hams. Many users are Fire and emergency notification nets. I can communicate with my non ham family using my same gear that I use on Ham. Craig PS, my friend who is a non ham, but a GMRS user has a PHD in Physics and a is a digital electronics design engineer! Probably knows enough. -- O
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXCEPTIONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's kind of a harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of us use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe they'll get interested and get a ticket. Others may "know enough" but simply have no desire to become hams. Many users are Fire and emergency notification nets. I can communicate with my non ham family using my same gear that I use on Ham. Craig PS, my friend who is a non ham, but a GMRS user has a PHD in Physics and a is a digital electronics design engineer! Probably knows enough. -- Original message -- From: Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS > didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. > > The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) > > 73 > > Jack > > > Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, > 24 Jan > 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > > GMRS repeater." > > > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > > fun that goes along with it. > > "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" > "Because it feels so good when I stop." > > ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. >--rly > > > > > > ----- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From:Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater Date:Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:52:12 + There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) 73 Jack Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > GMRS repeater." > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > fun that goes along with it. "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" "Because it feels so good when I stop." ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
That's kind of a harsh statement! I know more GMRS users that are hams than are not. Many of us use GMRS so we can get others such as family members on the air and maybe they'll get interested and get a ticket. Others may "know enough" but simply have no desire to become hams. Many users are Fire and emergency notification nets. I can communicate with my non ham family using my same gear that I use on Ham. Craig PS, my friend who is a non ham, but a GMRS user has a PHD in Physics and a is a digital electronics design engineer! Probably knows enough. -- Original message -- From: Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS > didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. > > The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) > > 73 > > Jack > > > Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, > 24 Jan > 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > > GMRS repeater." > > > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > > fun that goes along with it. > > "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" > "Because it feels so good when I stop." > > ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... > > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. >--rly > > > > > > - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --- Begin Message --- There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRSdidn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question.The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo)73Jack Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]us> wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]net wrote: > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > GMRS repeater." > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > fun that goes along with it. "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" "Because it feels so good when I stop." ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]us> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility.--rly Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --- End Message ---
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
There are certainly exceptions but most people I know who do GMRS didn't know enuf to pass a ham test -- which is the reason for my question. The Desktrac is 40 (pardon my typo) 73 Jack Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > GMRS repeater." > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > fun that goes along with it. "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" "Because it feels so good when I stop." ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a > GMRS repeater." > > It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something > together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and > fun that goes along with it. "Why do you keep hitting your head on your desk?" "Because it feels so good when I stop." ... And I'm working on repeater #2 now ... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
I think the desktrac is 49w The Ritron is 7 or 8 which is more than enough for here. wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jack Hayes wrote: > I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building > a GMRS repeater. Two years ago I purchased a Motorola Desktrac UHF, > tuned it up and set it up. Works fine -- no hassles. It is a little > more power than I need so I'm about to replace it with a Ritron > Patriot box. I can't remember to the penny but I don't think I paid > more than $325 for the repeater, duplexer and programming. > > I like the easy way. Jack w3fun Do either of them make 50 watts? Also neither of those has a receiver that can handle high-level RF sites, especially the Riton. It's fine for in a small plant, or at your house, but I wouldn't put one up at a busy high-profile site... The Desktrac? well, maybe... - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
Jack Hayes wrote: > I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building > a GMRS repeater. Two years ago I purchased a Motorola Desktrac UHF, > tuned it up and set it up. Works fine -- no hassles. It is a little > more power than I need so I'm about to replace it with a Ritron > Patriot box. I can't remember to the penny but I don't think I paid > more than $325 for the repeater, duplexer and programming. > > I like the easy way. Jack w3fun Do either of them make 50 watts? Also neither of those has a receiver that can handle high-level RF sites, especially the Riton. It's fine for in a small plant, or at your house, but I wouldn't put one up at a busy high-profile site... The Desktrac? well, maybe...
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
"I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a GMRS repeater." It's for the education, experience and pride in putting something together and getting it to work. It also for ththe frustration and fun that goes along with it. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 Jack Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = I can't imagine why you'd want to go to the trouble of building a GMRS repeater. Two years ago I purchased a Motorola Desktrac UHF, tuned it up and set it up. Works fine -- no hassles. It is a little more power than I need so I'm about to replace it with a Ritron Patriot box. I can't remember to the penny but I don't think I paid more than $325 for the repeater, duplexer and programming. I like the easy way. Jack w3fun -- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Narrow band is only required on the interstitial channels (those that fall between the repeater pairs) along with the reduced power requirements, but I don't believe the FCC would have any problem if were were to narrow band a repeater. However transient users and other may have a problem ,radio wise, in using it unless it is a private or closed system. > -- > Doug > N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > = > Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance. > Gary > > Richard Bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I just wanted to add my 2 cents here. > > I have been working the last ... 2 years on building a GMRS repeater out > > of two Motorola Mitrek's and a single M controller. > > If I had one word of advice, buy a commercial one! Save yourself alot of > > frustration and money on the tools needed to build it. > > These have been looking real good to me recently: > > http://www.gmrsoutlet.com/home.php?cat=1 > > > > Regards, > > > > Richard Bessey > > > > wd8chl wrote: > > > > > > Gary wrote: > > > > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. > > > 95.135(a) > > > > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power." > > > > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15 > > > > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion > > > > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any > > > > needed clarification as they have the final word. > > > > Gary > > > > > > "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'. > > > Repeaters and base stations can run 50W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Gmrs Repeater
well, first off, assuming your repeater is land based and qualifies as a fixed station (they usually do) then your output power is limited to 15 watts output, CFR Title 47 Part 95.135(d). Gary shady1070 wrote: > I Am looking to put a 40 watt repeater on Gmrs. I Know very little > about repeaters. I am looking for something That is Pc Programmable > and also my biggest concern is about a controller. I want A Nice > controller that does voice and I want to have the capabilities of a > phone patch for later use on 440. How do you connect the controller to > a repeater etc.. Can anybody recommend some stuff and help me out. I > cann't find anybody locally that can really halp me with this project. > > Thanks > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
I'll have to agree with the Code of Federal Regs
Daniel , it's not just a plug and play that allows any amount of RF power to
whatever you please, primarly Personal Radio Service under Part 95 does not have
the same priveledges as any other serivce Commercial or Amateur Radio
Service
When it was Citizens Radio Service before the Regs
changed you applied for a particular license and bought under the old rules a
Rules and Regulation Book and a School notebook to put it in Volume 6
contained parts 95, 97 and 99 back in the 1960's .
of course then even the technical stuff was written
different and you had Vaccum Tubes, and Hybrid Tubes and Transistors, and the
freq were XTALS or crystals some tolerences were anywhere from 0.005 % plus or
minus to seems a tighter tolerence can't recall.
reading of CFR 47 on line will help you out
.
Good Luck
Mark A. Holman, CRO, AB8RU , ( formerally
P3-18-86210 3rd. phone )[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Daniel
Fargo
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr95_03.html
§ 95.129 Station
equipment.
Every station in a GMRS
system
must use transmitters the FCC has
certificated
for use in the GMRS. Write
to
any FCC Field Office to find out if
a
particular transmitter has been
certificated
for the GMRS. All station
equipment
in a GMRS system must
comply
with the technical rules in part
95.
[63 FR 68975, Dec. 14,
1998]
§ 95.29 Channels
available.
(a) For a base station, fixed station,
mobile station, or repeater station (a
GMRS station that simultaneously
retransmits
the transmission of another
GMRS station on a different channel or
channels), the licensee of the GMRS
system must select the transmitting
channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a)
of this part) for the stations in the
GMRS system from the following 462
MHz channels:
462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250,
462.6500,
462.6750, 462.7000 and
462.7250.
(b) For a mobile station, control
station,
or fixed station operated in the
duplex mode, the following 467 MHz
channels may be used only to transmit
communications through a repeater
station and for remotely controlling a
repeater station. The licensee of the
GMRS system must select the transmitting
channels or channel pairs (see
§ 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations
operated in the duplex mode, from the
following 467 MHz channels:
467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250,
467.6500,
467.6750, 467.7000 and 467.7250.
§ 95.135 Maximum authorized transmitting
power.
(a) No station may transmit with
more than 50 watts output power.
(b) [Reserved]
(c) A small control station at a point
north of Line A or east of Line C must
transmit with no more than 5 watts
ERP.
(d) A fixed station must transmit
with no more than 15 watts output
power.
(e) A small base station must transmit
with no more than 5 watts
ERP.
[48 FR 35237, Aug. 3, 1983, as amended at
53
FR 47717, Nov. 25, 1988; 63 FR 68975, Dec.
14,
1998]
- Original Message -
From:
Joe
Montierth
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:53
PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
--- Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:> You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those>
people were right,that> doesnt make it legal. They just havent been
caught> yet...> Please cite the FCC rule
that would make thisillegal, I have read and re-read the rules for
yearsnow, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radiosas
repeaters (or handhelds for that
matter).Joe__Do
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
OK I have a set of motorola T5920 Talkabouts that are Both FRS and GMRS.. I wonder If they can be programmed to use the repeater splits. I can hear several GMRS repeaters id,ing but no access.. anyone have any info.. Neal -ka2caf russ wrote: This is well written! You forgot that a base station from your home can be only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 Ham, W3CH - Original Message - From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
hey, I see where there is a fixed base repeater and mobile repeater difference. What are the limits on the mobile. If I have like a mobile repeater can I loan to Emeregency Services Units for like a search/resuce scene? thanks --- "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric Lemmon wrote: > > Mathew, > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you > must have a GMRS > > license. You also need to read and understand the > applicable FCC Rules > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of > Part 95 is dated > > October 1, 2003. > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for > Part 95 operation, but > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for > Part 90. This > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from > parts. Some repeaters > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu > VXR-7000, the Kenwood > > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The > important features to > > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to > decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, > duplexer, and feedline cost > > more than the repeater. > > > > Also adding an aftermarket tone panel (like the > Com-Spec TP-3200) is OK. > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 > watts, there are some > > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by > unlicensed individuals who > > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not > seek advice from such > > people! > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > Just for the record, there probably still are some > older 'grandfathered' > licenses for 100W, and I know for certain that > there are a number of > businesses still legally licensed. They are not > allowed to make any > major mods to their licenses, like freq, power, > location, profile, etc. > However, they are probably somewhat rare. And yes, > there's a LOT of > not-so-legit stuff on the air, too... > > -- > Jim Barbour > WD8CHL > KAE9169 > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
If anyone wants to continue this topic, you can bring it over to a BBS that I moderate, dealing with GMRS. http://www.popularwireless.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi Go down to the GMRS forum and start a topic about repeater requirements or whatever. There are lots of licensed, seasoned operators on this board and you can get some good info. The discussion here has given out both right and wrong info, but it would be better to discuss it there where it is permitted. Good rules discussions often take place there. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Eric Lemmon wrote: > Mathew, > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > October 1, 2003. > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost > more than the repeater. > Also adding an aftermarket tone panel (like the Com-Spec TP-3200) is OK. > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such > people! > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) Just for the record, there probably still are some older 'grandfathered' licenses for 100W, and I know for certain that there are a number of businesses still legally licensed. They are not allowed to make any major mods to their licenses, like freq, power, location, profile, etc. However, they are probably somewhat rare. And yes, there's a LOT of not-so-legit stuff on the air, too... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL KAE9169 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
--- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Joe, > You are wrong! The spec.'s are not the same. > 90,95,101. Don't believe me > just go read for your self. > 73 Russ I am not debating the certification issue, or that a radio can be certified under part 90 and/or part 95. That is in the FCC data base. What I am saying is that there is no "special" or "different" certification going on for a GMRS repeater. If a radio is certificated under part 95 for GMRS, then it may be used for any GMRS application, provided it fits the bill. A fifty watt base station would be hard to be used for a 5 watt ERP small base or control station, but it could be done if the power could be attenuated enough to reach that 5 watt number. A mobile radio could be used as a 50 watt base, as long as it is maintained to a 2.5PPM standard. Since there is no difference between a base transmitter and a repeater transmitter, a mobile radio could also be used there, with the same 2.5 PPM maintenence. The original question was, "Can a mobile GMRS radio be used as a repeater TX?" and the answer is "Yes, but the radio must be certificated for GMRS and be maintained to within 2.5 PPM". That is what I'm trting to say. You can think otherwise, but unless you can show a rule to the contrary, I'm going with what I know. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
You can always get a copy of two things and read. Part-95 and the Type accept list. READ READ READ READ! - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Naber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > Gotta love religious debates > > > I would suppose whoever is trying to do this project > need not be discouraged, when all else fails, what do > we not like to do? Read the manual, and in this case; > the rules. If someone begs to differ, let them, > because you know the rules and they need to do a > little homework. > > If that all fails, I would say call the FCC but they > have gotten so politcal it might be fruitless. Put it > up with all do respects to other people's stuff not to > interfer and all should be well. > > > ~Ben, KB9LFZ > > > --- Joe Montierth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is well written! You forgot that a base > > station > > > from your home can be > > > only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. > > > 73 Russ, WPYK-254 > > > Ham, W3CH > > > > > > > There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 > > watts. That rule applies to a "small base station", > > and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > > phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
A small base station is your home station per the FCC. I use to run a 25 watt GE control station at my home till a buddy over in PA got a visit. He has the same radio and was told in a letter all about it. I now run a small Kenwood TK-8150 at the house running 5 watts and it works just fine. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > --- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is well written! You forgot that a base station > > from your home can be > > only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. > > 73 Russ, WPYK-254 > > Ham, W3CH > > > > There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 > watts. That rule applies to a "small base station", > and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. > > Joe > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Your home station (control station) is 5 watts on GMRS. But if you have a base repeater at your home it can be 50. They do that so that you do not tie up a pair to talk to a repeater. In most cases it works very well. If you think about it 5 watt to a repeater will work just fine on an out side omni or a small 460 beam. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > --- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is well written! You forgot that a base station > > from your home can be > > only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. > > 73 Russ, WPYK-254 > > Ham, W3CH > > > > There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 > watts. That rule applies to a "small base station", > and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. > > Joe > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
No better words have been written on this. - Original Message - From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those people were right,that > doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught yet... > > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Bednar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:11 PM > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > > > Thank you! I'm not the only one then! ;) > > > > Kevin > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joe Montierth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:34 PM > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > > > There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a > > repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or > > both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, > > providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular > > service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay > > within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile > > can't be used for base or repeater? > > No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is > > usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. > Some > > radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled > > environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. > > > > Joe > > > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to > > > Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if > > > I can make heads or tails of it. > > > > > > Mathew > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Ever hear of some thing call rule changes?
BTW it was called class "A" CB when it 1st came out in the 60thys You can
NOT use a Micore or a Master 2. Under part-95 GMRS.
Sorry to say. You also can not use your Ham radio. They all will program to
GMRS. The same people that think you can are the same people who say I
have checks in my check book so I must have money in the
bank.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Bednar
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:09
PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
I was simply stating that trying to use mobile gear is an
inexpensive way to do it. It is NOT illegal as long as the radios are type
accepted in the first place, whether mobile or base. If you want to spend a
little more money, then buy a Micor or Mastr II base, drop the power level
down to 50 watts, and use that instead. GMRS has been around for MANY years.
It is NOT a new service. And back in the 80's and early 90's MANY people took
regular land mobile bases and mobile units and converted them to GMRS use. It
wasnt illegal then and is not now. That is the point I'm trying to
make.
Kevin
From: Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:02 PMTo:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Keep in mind that it is your license that is on
the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when
your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station.
These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with
plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper
equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a
bad idea all the way around
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Bednar
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01
PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can
use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen
for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can
get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you
could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals,
if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and
hardline.
Kevin
K2KMB
From: Kevin Bednar
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004
9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject:
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed
mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type
radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled
properly.
Kevin
K2KMB
From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I
think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues
where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I
want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of
equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8
Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the
repeater.
Mathew
Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a
GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC
Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is
datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted
for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted
for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts.
Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu
VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The
important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to
decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna,
duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the
Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered
"pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of
the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from
suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS
KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking
into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
You forgot the duck tape (g). All good information, and I do appreciate it. I got a copy of Part 95 sent to me last night, so I will read it today and decipher it, and take it from there. I've seen some good debates, and this one is definetly in there amongst them, so is the reason that I want to know, so I don't get that magical numbers of $7,500.00 or $11,000.00 if you know what I mean. Mathew Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
You mite want to direct this question to the FCC. But they are not for part 95 GMRS. - Original Message - From: "Kevin Bednar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > How is a Mastr II, or Maxtrac, or CDM,ALL mobiles, that ARE type accepted > for land mobile use, NOT type accepted for GMRS use? > > -Original Message- > From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:13 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > Kevin, > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters > be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for > use in the GMRS as repeaters. > Johnny > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. > > > > Kevin > > K2KMB > > > > -- > > -- > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I > > think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues > > where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is > > what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on > > the repeater. > > > > Mathew > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > > October 1, 2003. > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the > > Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important > > features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS > or CDCSS. > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline > > cost more than the repeater. > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are > > some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals > > who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from > > such people! > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > > > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > > > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > > > Mathew > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/new/*http://promotions.yahoo. > > com/new_mail> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > be> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
UN like Ham radio part 97 where you can put most any thing on the air. Part
95 GMRS you can not! I have watched a pile of just bad info go across the list.
This is just not right. Get a copy of part 95 and read it. Understand it before
you build.
READ READ READ.
Good luck and 73,
Russ, WPYK-254 and W3CH
- Original Message -
From:
Q
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:02
PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
Keep in mind that it is your license that is on
the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when
your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station.
These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with
plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper
equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a
bad idea all the way around
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Bednar
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01
PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS
Repeater Info Wanted
Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can
use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen
for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can
get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you
could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals,
if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and
hardline.
Kevin
K2KMB
From: Kevin Bednar
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004
9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject:
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed
mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type
radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled
properly.
Kevin
K2KMB
From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo:
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]
GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I
think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues
where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I
want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of
equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8
Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the
repeater.
Mathew
Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a
GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC
Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is
datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted
for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted
for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts.
Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu
VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The
important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to
decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna,
duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the
Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered
"pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of
the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from
suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS
KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking
into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been
doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories
and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told
it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building
them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are
not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a
GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such
use? Thanks.> >
Mathew
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Hey Joe, You are wrong! The spec.'s are not the same. 90,95,101. Don't believe me just go read for your self. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > There is no separate certification issued under part > 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a > certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio > can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, > etc, providing it meets the criterion for that > application in it's particular service. Base and > repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay > within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does > this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? > No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance > must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a > 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will > maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled > environment, such as a heated and air conditioned > room. > > Joe > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the difference that I am finding. Does > > anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so > > I can go read it for myself and see if I can make > > heads or tails of it. > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin, > > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) > > requires that > > repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. > > Mobiles are not type > > accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. > > Johnny > > > > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > > There is nothing preventing you from using > > duplexed mobile gear like > > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius > > type radios as GMRS > > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled > > properly. > > > > > > Kevin > > > K2KMB > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info > > Wanted > > > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue > > that is at hand, I think > > > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have > > read issues where > > > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, > > and that is what I > > > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be > > certain types of > > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, > > 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase > > after I decide on the > > > repeater. > > > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you > > must have a GMRS > > > license. You also need to read and understand the > > applicable FCC Rules > > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of > > Part 95 is dated > > > October 1, 2003. > > > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for > > Part 95 operation, but > > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for > > Part 90. This > > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from > > parts. Some repeaters > > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu > > VXR-7000, the Kenwood > > > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The > > important features to > > > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to > > decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, > > duplexer, and feedline cost > > > more than the repeater. > > > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 > > watts, there are some > > > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by > > unlicensed individuals who > > > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not > > seek advice from such > > > people! > > > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS > > repeater for community > > > > access, and have been doing some reading on > > them. I am coming up > > > > with conflicting stories and need to k
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
FCC.GOV - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin,Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters.JohnnyKevin Bednar wrote:> There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly.> > Kevin> K2KMB> > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted> > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the > repeater.> > Mathew> > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS> license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules> in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated> October 1, 2003.> > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but> you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This> requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters> that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood> TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to> have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS.> You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost> more than the repeater.> > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some> high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who> ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such> people!> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)> > > > w9mwq wrote:> >> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> > cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> >> > Mathew> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > * To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of> Service .> > Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is, THE FCC. You can not use a Micor or a Master two on GMRS. its part 95 no FCC cert. for part 95. A pile of folks got busted over the winter in the Philly area for this. The radius line the full line is all good to go under part 95. Funny how that works. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 (GMRS) W3CH (Ham) - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
The type acceptance number is usually attached to the model number plate on the individual radio transmitter. Neil Joe Montierth wrote: > > --- Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must > > type accepted > > for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's > > label. > > > > Neil > > > > No, the rules only require that you maintain your > transmitter within 2.5 PPM, there is no rule that you > must use a radio certificated as such (although that > would be nice). As long as you use a radio that is > certificated for GMRS and keep it within 2.5PPM, you > are following the rules. > > Kevin doesn't like us to get into FCC rules > discussions here, as they are pointless. Many people > have many different interpretations of the rules, in > some gray areas there can be a lot of useless debate. > What seems very clear in the rules to me, may not > appear that way to you (and vice-versa). > > 95.621 (b) has the rule for anyone to read. > > Joe > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr95_03.html § 95.129 Station equipment. Every station in a GMRS system must use transmitters the FCC has certificated for use in the GMRS. Write to any FCC Field Office to find out if a particular transmitter has been certificated for the GMRS. All station equipment in a GMRS system must comply with the technical rules in part 95. [63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998] § 95.29 Channels available. (a) For a base station, fixed station, mobile station, or repeater station (a GMRS station that simultaneously retransmits the transmission of another GMRS station on a different channel or channels), the licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations in the GMRS system from the following 462 MHz channels: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000 and 462.7250. (b) For a mobile station, control station, or fixed station operated in the duplex mode, the following 467 MHz channels may be used only to transmit communications through a repeater station and for remotely controlling a repeater station. The licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations operated in the duplex mode, from the following 467 MHz channels: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000 and 467.7250. § 95.135 Maximum authorized transmitting power. (a) No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power. (b) [Reserved] (c) A small control station at a point north of Line A or east of Line C must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP. (d) A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15 watts output power. (e) A small base station must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP. [48 FR 35237, Aug. 3, 1983, as amended at 53 FR 47717, Nov. 25, 1988; 63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998] - Original Message - From: Joe Montierth To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted --- Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those> people were right,that> doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught> yet...> Please cite the FCC rule that would make thisillegal, I have read and re-read the rules for yearsnow, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radiosas repeaters (or handhelds for that matter).Joe__Do you Yahoo!?New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
IIRC, type acceptance for part 95 is not the same as business band type acceptance. "Kevin Bednar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How is a Mastr II, or Maxtrac, or CDM,ALL mobiles, that ARE type accepted > for land mobile use, NOT type accepted for GMRS use? > > -Original Message- > From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:13 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > Kevin, > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters > be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for > use in the GMRS as repeaters. > Johnny > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. > > > > Kevin > > K2KMB > > > > -- > > -- > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I > > think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues > > where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is > > what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on > > the repeater. > > > > Mathew > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > > October 1, 2003. > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the > > Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important > > features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS > or CDCSS. > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline > > cost more than the repeater. > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are > > some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals > > who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from > > such people! > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > > > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > > > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > > > Mathew > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Gotta love religious debates I would suppose whoever is trying to do this project need not be discouraged, when all else fails, what do we not like to do? Read the manual, and in this case; the rules. If someone begs to differ, let them, because you know the rules and they need to do a little homework. If that all fails, I would say call the FCC but they have gotten so politcal it might be fruitless. Put it up with all do respects to other people's stuff not to interfer and all should be well. ~Ben, KB9LFZ --- Joe Montierth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is well written! You forgot that a base > station > > from your home can be > > only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. > > 73 Russ, WPYK-254 > > Ham, W3CH > > > > There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 > watts. That rule applies to a "small base station", > and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. > > Joe > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
--- russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is well written! You forgot that a base station > from your home can be > only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. > 73 Russ, WPYK-254 > Ham, W3CH > There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 watts. That rule applies to a "small base station", and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
--- Q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those > people were right,that > doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught > yet... > Please cite the FCC rule that would make this illegal, I have read and re-read the rules for years now, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radios as repeaters (or handhelds for that matter). Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
--- Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must > type accepted > for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's > label. > > Neil > No, the rules only require that you maintain your transmitter within 2.5 PPM, there is no rule that you must use a radio certificated as such (although that would be nice). As long as you use a radio that is certificated for GMRS and keep it within 2.5PPM, you are following the rules. Kevin doesn't like us to get into FCC rules discussions here, as they are pointless. Many people have many different interpretations of the rules, in some gray areas there can be a lot of useless debate. What seems very clear in the rules to me, may not appear that way to you (and vice-versa). 95.621 (b) has the rule for anyone to read. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
I still have a number of Motorola R-100, Micor's and a new in box Vertex VXR-7000 (at cost) thanks John ps also lots of Maxon and EF Johnson mobiles - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek ! advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an e! mail to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those people were right,that doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught yet... - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > Thank you! I'm not the only one then! ;) > > Kevin > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Montierth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:34 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a > repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or > both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, > providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular > service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay > within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile > can't be used for base or repeater? > No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is > usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some > radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled > environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. > > Joe > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to > > Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if > > I can make heads or tails of it. > > > > Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Infor Wanted
Hey Mathew, I have 4 GMRS repeaters on the air. All Kenwood TKR-850. They come with every thing you need. Multi user pl/dpl CW is for each user plus a master CW ID. I am very happy with the units and good to go under part 95. BTW the if it is good for part 90 it is good for part 95 is no longer,that was just changed. You will enjoy GMRS. You will want to go to the ffc.gov web page and get a ticket. You fill it out on line and pay for it on line and it comes in just a few days in the mail. Good luck and enjoy GMRS! 73 Russ, Ham, W3CH GMRS, WPYK-254 - Original Message - From: "w9mwq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Infor Wanted > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > cost unit avialable for such use? Thanks. > > Mathew > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
This is well written! You forgot that a base station from your home can be only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 Ham, W3CH - Original Message - From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > Mathew, > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > October 1, 2003. > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost > more than the repeater. > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such > people! > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thank you! I'm not the only one then! ;) Kevin -Original Message- From: Joe Montierth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:34 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to > Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if > I can make heads or tails of it. > > Mathew > > > Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that > repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. > Mobiles are not type > accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. > Johnny > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > There is nothing preventing you from using > duplexed mobile gear like > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius > type radios as GMRS > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled > properly. > > > > Kevin > > K2KMB > > > > > ---- > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info > Wanted > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue > that is at hand, I think > > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have > read issues where > > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, > and that is what I > > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be > certain types of > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, > 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase > after I decide on the > > repeater. > > > > Mathew > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you > must have a GMRS > > license. You also need to read and understand the > applicable FCC Rules > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of > Part 95 is dated > > October 1, 2003. > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for > Part 95 operation, but > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for > Part 90. This > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from > parts. Some repeaters > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu > VXR-7000, the Kenwood > > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The > important features to > > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to > decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, > duplexer, and feedline cost > > more than the repeater. > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 > watts, there are some > > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by > unlicensed individuals who > > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not > seek advice from such > > people! > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS > repeater for community > > > access, and have been doing some reading on > them. I am coming up > > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What > can be used as far > > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain > type, then I read > > > where they are building them out of spare parts, > but then am told > > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So > what is the truth > > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And > what would be a low > > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > > > Mathew > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
I was simply stating that trying to use mobile gear is an inexpensive way to do it. It is NOT illegal as long as the radios are type accepted in the first place, whether mobile or base. If you want to spend a little more money, then buy a Micor or Mastr II base, drop the power level down to 50 watts, and use that instead. GMRS has been around for MANY years. It is NOT a new service. And back in the 80's and early 90's MANY people took regular land mobile bases and mobile units and converted them to GMRS use. It wasnt illegal then and is not now. That is the point I'm trying to make. Kevin From: Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:02 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
How is a Mastr II, or Maxtrac, or CDM,ALL mobiles, that ARE type accepted for land mobile use, NOT type accepted for GMRS use? -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: > There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. > > Kevin > K2KMB > > -- > -- > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I > think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues > where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is > what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on > the repeater. > > Mathew > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > October 1, 2003. > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the > Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important > features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline > cost more than the repeater. > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are > some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals > who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from > such people! > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > -- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/new/*http://promotions.yahoo. > com/new_mail> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > be> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must type accepted for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's label. Neil Joe Montierth wrote: > > There is no separate certification issued under part > 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a > certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio > can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, > etc, providing it meets the criterion for that > application in it's particular service. Base and > repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay > within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does > this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? > No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance > must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a > 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will > maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled > environment, such as a heated and air conditioned > room. > > Joe > > --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the difference that I am finding. Does > > anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so > > I can go read it for myself and see if I can make > > heads or tails of it. > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin, > > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) > > requires that > > repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. > > Mobiles are not type > > accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. > > Johnny > > > > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > > There is nothing preventing you from using > > duplexed mobile gear like > > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius > > type radios as GMRS > > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled > > properly. > > > > > > Kevin > > > K2KMB > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info > > Wanted > > > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue > > that is at hand, I think > > > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have > > read issues where > > > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, > > and that is what I > > > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be > > certain types of > > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, > > 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase > > after I decide on the > > > repeater. > > > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you > > must have a GMRS > > > license. You also need to read and understand the > > applicable FCC Rules > > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of > > Part 95 is dated > > > October 1, 2003. > > > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for > > Part 95 operation, but > > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for > > Part 90. This > > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from > > parts. Some repeaters > > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu > > VXR-7000, the Kenwood > > > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The > > important features to > > > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to > > decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, > > duplexer, and feedline cost > > > more than the repeater. > > > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 > > watts, there are some > > > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by > > unlicensed individuals who > > > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not > > seek advice from such > > > people! > > > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS > > repeater for community > > > > access, and have been doing some reading on > > them. I am coming up > > > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What > > can be used as far > > > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain > > type, then I read > > > > where they are building them out of spare parts, > > but then am told > > > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So > > what is the truth > > > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And > > what would be a low > > > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Mathew > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the difference that I am finding. Does > anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so > I can go read it for myself and see if I can make > heads or tails of it. > > Mathew > > > Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) > requires that > repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. > Mobiles are not type > accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. > Johnny > > > Kevin Bednar wrote: > > There is nothing preventing you from using > duplexed mobile gear like > > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius > type radios as GMRS > > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled > properly. > > > > Kevin > > K2KMB > > > > > ---- > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info > Wanted > > > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue > that is at hand, I think > > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have > read issues where > > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, > and that is what I > > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be > certain types of > > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, > 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase > after I decide on the > > repeater. > > > > Mathew > > > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you > must have a GMRS > > license. You also need to read and understand the > applicable FCC Rules > > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of > Part 95 is dated > > October 1, 2003. > > > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for > Part 95 operation, but > > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for > Part 90. This > > requirement rules out any repeaters built from > parts. Some repeaters > > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu > VXR-7000, the Kenwood > > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The > important features to > > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to > decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, > duplexer, and feedline cost > > more than the repeater. > > > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 > watts, there are some > > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by > unlicensed individuals who > > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not > seek advice from such > > people! > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS > repeater for community > > > access, and have been doing some reading on > them. I am coming up > > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What > can be used as far > > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain > type, then I read > > > where they are building them out of spare parts, > but then am told > > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So > what is the truth > > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And > what would be a low > > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > > > Mathew > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin,Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters.JohnnyKevin Bednar wrote:> There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly.> > Kevin> K2KMB> > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted> > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the > repeater.> > Mathew> > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS> license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules> in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated> October 1, 2003.> > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but> you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This> requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters> that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood> TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to> have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS.> You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost> more than the repeater.> > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some> high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who> ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such> people!> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)> > > > w9mwq wrote:> >> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> > cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> >> > Mathew> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > * To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of> Service .> > Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: > There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like > Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS > repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. > > Kevin > K2KMB > > > From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted > > Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think > you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where > guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I > want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of > equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 > Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the > repeater. > > Mathew > > Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS > license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules > in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated > October 1, 2003. > > A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but > you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This > requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters > that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood > TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to > have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. > You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost > more than the repeater. > > Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some > high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who > ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such > people! > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) > > > > w9mwq wrote: > > > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > > > Mathew > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/new/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote:> > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community> access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up> with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far> as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read> where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told> the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth> here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low> cost unit available for such use? Thanks.> > Mathew> > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: > > I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community > access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up > with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far > as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read > where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told > the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth > here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low > cost unit available for such use? Thanks. > > Mathew > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
