Re: Backing up Appleshare server
>What is SIMS, and where can I find it/more about it? http://www.stalker.com/SIMS Dig thru the ftp site, you actually want to get 1.8b8, not the official release 1.7. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: Backing up Appleshare server
>I thought about moving to Linux, but mail is a minor part of what >that server is doing, so for me it's not really a good option. >Everything else works perfectly and is very easy to manage. I have >about 50 non-mail users on that server. One option FWIW is to get an old cx and run SIMS on it for your mail. We actually run SIMS on Mac-on-Linux on LinuxPPC (works great). We use ASIP for file sharing, but I can't imagine anyone using ASIP mail for anything, it is so lame. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: ping/page script
>I wrote an AppleScript-based solution that fits your bill. It incorporates >several different freeware/shareware programs, can send email, dial a pager, >make noise, etc. It's called "The Pinger" and is available on my public >iDisk, username jlg. For those of us who are stubborn and still use 8.6, how do we get to this? Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backups of virtual pc
>Applescript to open file as mounted hard drive before backup (problem here >is the shutdown at night - assuming I could figure out how to write the >applescript - would this actually work? I am not sure) I have an Applescript that opens the C Drive as a mounted volume. The script then pulls certain known files out for copying to Zip. This is not really a Retro related answer. Just to let you know that you can do what you suggest with an Applescript. Whether Retro properly looks on that mounted PC volume and does incremental backups according to its usual rules is something I do not know. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powerbook dials internet once an hour?
>Sorry for the rant. All flames will (seriously!) be directed to >/dev/null. To try to salvage something from my post, I suggest >get IPNR and -watch- the ^ Sorry, I meant IPNM: IPNetMonitor. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powerbook dials internet once an hour?
various parts snipped: >>>This seems to be curing the symptom, not the route cause of the >>> problem. Why are they trying to dial out, there must be a reason? >>> This is not normal Mac behaviour, WiNT maybe, but not Mac. >> >>On the contrary; it is absolutely normal behavior for any computer that uses >>TCP/IP services as part of the core OS. The majority of new Macs being sold >>are being connected to the Internet, and Apple has taken full advantage of >>this fact in the feature set of the Mac OS. > > >Yes, but that's not what I meant. You have actually told the OS (or >its components) to do something that requires a connection. If you >don't ask it to do those things it will not connect. My Macs do NOT >connect except when I know something is asking for the connection. >They NEVER connect all by themselves for no reason. I agree that they never connect for -no- reason. But IMHO the previous correspondent has a point, which I paraphrase as "more and more you will do what Apple wants you to do, not necessarily what you want to do." In the past few years, as Macs have become more internet savvy, I've run into mystery connections. Yes, they generally have a solution, but not always. For example, I have a 6500 with 9.0.4 which demands the right to do a DNS lookup whenever the File Sharing CP is opened. It does not matter if file sharing is on or not; in fact, the CP can be already open and if I just click on the Activity Monitor tab and then back to Start/Stop, it demands to do a DNS lookup -again-. No way to turn it off. If that 6500 can't get to a DNS server, it's a 45 sec -lockup-. It also does not matter what kind of TCP/IP connection I'm set to (ethernet, DCHP, etc). I have a G4/9.0.4 which under the same circumstances shows no such behavior. I've tried lots and lots of stuff, and have talked to Apple about the 6500. I call it a bug, but I will not be getting much support from Apple for the 6500. They'd much rather I buy a G4 to solve my problem (go jump, Apple). The 6500 is an extreme example (but should it be?), since it is SO old (like, 2-3 years!). Powerbooks are less extreme, but I wouldn't trust a Pismo to necessarily behave like an original Wallstreet. >Making the user do extra work because the Mac is not well set up is >not ideal IMO. Agreed, but mysteries and bugs abound. And who (with Apple's recent history of DHCP issues, for example) really trusts Apple to get this all correct under the diversity of connection circumstances possible today? Not me. Sorry for the rant. All flames will (seriously!) be directed to /dev/null. To try to salvage something from my post, I suggest get IPNR and -watch- the connections that are being made and when. Then you will have a clue as to what is going on (and probably, but not necessarily a solution). Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retrospect on Mac OS X (server)
>RE: I can understand holding the full retrospect client up until >shipping, but I believe you should be able to provide a carbon >client soon. I believe it would be acceptable if this client was >not fully sanctioned for Mac OSX, and that it be deemed as Client >public beta. It could also only support the HFS+ file system. This >would allow us to move onto OSX in a timely fashion. If not we will >have to consider competitors products. All well and good, but as pointed out already, the driver I/O kit from Apple is crucial. Apple doesn't have a very good record of this so far with OSX. Lots of bells and whistles and aquafication, not much support for anybody who is talking to a device. Go figure. We're in the same boat with our product, which includes a PCI board. Granted, there has been recent movement with the kit, but we were asking about this a long time ago to Apple and mostly the response was "yeah, yeah, whatever". You should definitely consider a competitor's product when a solution isn't available, but make sure you tell it to -Apple- ;-) rant over. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why won't Retrospect autorun?
>Which Version of ASIP are you running? 6.1 with the 6.1.1 Web and File Extension. >There were a couple of versions that under the right circumstances >didn't honor the ASIP "memory reserved for other applications" >setting. Correct, 6.1. The 6.1.1 Web and File Extension fixed this problem. >I usually run set the reserve to give Retrospect a comfortable room >to run in (I believe Retrospect uses temporary memory as well). Our reserve is set to 155MB. Should be enough for Retrospect :-) Stefan Jeglinski > >dunno but I'd like the answer also. With a machine left for days > >sitting and just ASIP file serving (no reboots, no changes) and Retro > >at night when ASIP is quiet, about 10% of the time Retro just fails > >to auto-launch. Manually launch it and the backups begin and it goes > >on merrily auto-launching for maybe several days before it happens > >again. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why won't Retrospect autorun?
>Occasionally (often when I'm away) Retrospect (latest version) won't >start up automatically on my Mac. No lack of memory. When I do >launch Retro on these occasions it then happily does its scripts, >but why is the autolaunch so erratic? > >Yes, I do have it turned on. . . dunno but I'd like the answer also. With a machine left for days sitting and just ASIP file serving (no reboots, no changes) and Retro at night when ASIP is quiet, about 10% of the time Retro just fails to auto-launch. Manually launch it and the backups begin and it goes on merrily auto-launching for maybe several days before it happens again. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
off topic - networking questions
I know this is off-topic for this list, but I also know there are networking gurus here, and the answers may be of general interest. So here goes: Given 2 computers, each of which has a 10/100 ethernet card capable of either half or full duplex, not necessarily from the same manufacturer, and without specific ethernet control software to probe the card(s): 1) Can the fact that the cards are from different manufacturers lead to difficulties in auto-negotiating 10 or 100 and/or full or half duplex? 2) Can the choice of manufacturer of an intervening hub or switch lead to the same difficulty? IOW, can there be a [crucial] advantage to selecting all cards and hubs/switches from the same manufacturer? If so, is this choice more sensitive when doing 100BT? Finally, given the same two computers, with different or identical cards, when connected by -only a crossover cable- (sans hub/switch), does the ethernet connection still reliably auto-negotiate 10 or 100 and/or full or half duplex, given that each has 4 choices? Generally, given choices, the "best" connection is negotiated (100BT full?) but does this still happen correctly with only a crossover cable? I'm pretty ignorant about the nuts and bolts of ethernet, hence my questions. Hopefully the off-topic nature is not seen as a terrible intrusion on the normal list traffic (it -is- kinda quiet right now..:-) Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Server crashing during backups
>Anyone have any opinions on the Farallon PN996-TX 10/100 PCI Ethernet card? I've had good luck with the older Farallon 10BT cards, so I just bought one of these 10/100 cards. Haven't got it yet, so I can't tell you anything. Contact me privately in a week if you want to followup. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unix?
>The bottom line appears to be that something "extra" has to be installed >either on the Unix/Linux machine or the Retrospect machine ... it would all >be so much cleaner with a specific Retrospect client for Unix/Linux. FWIW, Appletalk is compiled in as a module by default in LinuxPPC, and I have found it trivial to turn on. It's pretty well as much out-of-the-box now as Appletalk on MacOS, AFAICT. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unix?
>Or you can install MacNFS on the Mac. Is this the recently released $150(?) client from Thursby (I think)? Anybody here used it and have comments? (um, for backup issues, to keep it on-topic). Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unix?
>Retro will backup files from a mounted network drive. You don't have to be >running a client on the other machine. oops, yes that makes complete sense to me now that I think about it. Thanks for setting me straight... Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unix?
>What about using Netatalk to mount volumes on a Unix/Linux box for >Retrospect to backup? Anyone doing this? Unless I'm missing something obvious, the issue that keeps coming back to haunt Dantz :-) is that there is no client to run on the *nix box. Netatalk or not, Retrospect has no way to communicate directly with the *nix box because there is no client to accept the proprietary connection. OTOH, you could in principle run an Applescript to mount the volume, copy over what you want to the Mac side, and then have that in a queue for Retro to back up. Alternatively, you could run a cron job in the *nix box that created a tarball of what you wanted backed up, and potentially ftp or otherwise transfer it to another Windoze/Mac machine that was being backed up by Retro. This wouldn't be too efficient for large amounts of data, but it is what we plan to do initially with a LinuxPPC box we've added to the office. Until Dantz comes up with a *nix client, that is :-) Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: slot selection and backups
>I seem to remember someone reporting recently that 10/100 cards work >best when they're in the slot nearest the processor. Maybe that was on >this list? I don't know. It sounds like witchcraft to me, but what do I know. >Have you set your TCP/IP control panel to communicate through the card >at the new slot? If not, you are probably connecting via Appletalk. Thanks, but the solution was much simpler, though perplexing. This box (PowerTowerPro with G3 upgrade) has no USB of course, but somehow (no I don't know how) the Apple USB 1.3.5 extension got turned on and caused it (it had been installed by something long before and I always have it turned off but somehow it got turned on - inadvertent click in Extensions Manager maybe). Anyway, I found I was able to repeatably get the link speed to this PTP box (as measured by Retrospect on the mother backup box) to drop from 3300KB/sec to 10KB/sec when activating this extension. Again, this PTP box has an Apple OEM 10/100 NIC; there is some weird interaction between this NIC and the USB extension. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
slot selection and backups
I have a PowerTowerPro with an Apple OEM 10/100 ethernet card being backed up by a 6500 with a DAT tape running Retrospect. The 6500 has an identical 10/100 card in it, and the connection is through a 100BT hub. From long experience with the limitations of the 6500 and the DAT, I know that a sustained 10MB/min to tape is what to expect and for my purposes this is just fine (when I started using Retro, 10MB/min was the best I could do with a plain 10BT card as well, so yes 100BT is not helpful here). Yesterday, in -successfully- troubleshooting a conflict on the PowerTower involving a TV card, I moved the 10/100 card from its original slot (4th down from top) to a new slot (2nd down from top). The backup now proceeds slowly at 2-3MB/min and there are constant Net Retries. No dreaded 519s yet but I am expecting them. I've done a cuda reset and zapped PRAM and tossed Appleshare prefs (including invisibles) on the PowerTower. I will be moving around the 10/100 card again to try to reproduce this, and trying some other stuff like normal network copies too sleuth it. Meanwhile, I have read non-authoritative discussions of the differences in some slots and how they are used, but can anyone at Dantz comment on this? Performance from less than one day earlier with all the same hardware suggests that a network issue, outside of the slot selection, is exceedingly unlikely. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Neophyte Scripting Query - Want The Nike Method - "JustDo It"
Let's take any further correspondence off-line... >: I have written a script for a small company that owns an iMac, a >: Powerbook, and a PC, networked. The iMac has a zip disk connected. >: The script can copy any source target to any destination target, > >But will it automagically overwrite/kill/ignore any exisitng "Retro" data on >the target? Or will it balk and want a new/different catridge. Hint - she's >backing up about 1 GB to a Jaz cartridge (~1GB). It always overwrites :-). Only Retrospect can prevent overwriting Retrospect stuff, I assume, when it comes to a Zip or Jaz disk. In case there's any funny quirks, just reformat the disk before using it. >: iMac, then copy this folder en masse to the zip. It searches for a >: specifically-named zip drive (mon, tue, wed, etc) for daily backup, >: and can be made to refuse to run if it can't find it (right now it >: reports a possible error with option to try again or continue). It >: has a verbose debug mode to search for problems in development. > >Such reporting and searching for drives, would NOT be a Good Thing for my >friend. If the Jaz isn't powered up or ready (avail to SCSI and/or cartridge >in it), then obviously she'll need to know that, but other than that, >notificiations, dialogues, etc., should be kept to a very dull roar (maybe a 4 >or 5 step process, max.). With all due respect, I would argue that your correspondent needs a little education regarding backups. If she can't be sure she even has a good backup, why bother? Does she just -hope- she can restore if she ever needs to? How would she correct for "user-stupidity"? If she somehow does something dumb (like accidently delete the files she's trying to backup), does she not want to know this? Be all this as it may, you would be free to strip it all out anyway. I better work on my disclaimer, though :-) >: It is slow, but it works. I'm working out the last couple of quirks, >: and adding a report capability to it, hopefully one that can send an >: e-mail report. Also to be added is .sit compression. It does no > >I see from the Retrospect manual that it supports e-mailing (but is this only >through AppleScripting?). I'd like to know at my e-mail address everytime she >backs up - whether it worked or not. Then I'll turn it off after 6 months of >success! %^} This is exactly why I'm doing this part. So the company for whom I've written it can let me know (without them having to know) how their backups are going. This part may need a shareware scripting addition though. >Hmmm... yeah, I might be interested in seeing it. Please send it along. I >solemly swear not to turn it into the greatest commercial product since >(insert fave Mac app. here!). For personal use only. I may or may not end up >gutting and fileting it if I can understand it. I've seen scripts that were >quite intuitive to me, and others that really sent me screaming into the >night. Nevertheless, I usually learn _something_ from them! I'm a programmer, so IMHO the script is well designed and coded and commented ;-) It is a bit complex because it takes most of the work out of your hands. But you should be able to peruse it. >Dooo! So your saying your script is not a Retrospect-friendly (but rather >a "stand alone" back-up) script? Mine is a standalone script. It knows nothing about Retrospect or anything else. It's just a glorified file copier. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Neophyte Scripting Query - Want The Nike Method - "Just Do It"
>I want it to do a "FULL" by default. I'm not an AppleScript guru, but I was >wondering if anyone else has walked this path ahead of me, and has a simple >"brute force" script I could scam/adapt for my purposes. I have written a script for a small company that owns an iMac, a Powerbook, and a PC, networked. The iMac has a zip disk connected. The script can copy any source target to any destination target, mount remote disks (automatically detects remote paths), and also handles the special case of backing up selected items from within a Virtual PC C-drive. I have it tuned to backup all targets (including those on the PC, running an atalk file server) to a folder on the iMac, then copy this folder en masse to the zip. It searches for a specifically-named zip drive (mon, tue, wed, etc) for daily backup, and can be made to refuse to run if it can't find it (right now it reports a possible error with option to try again or continue). It has a verbose debug mode to search for problems in development. It is slow, but it works. I'm working out the last couple of quirks, and adding a report capability to it, hopefully one that can send an e-mail report. Also to be added is .sit compression. It does no auto-restore (you have to go search and drag) yet, and also does no incremental backup yet. But I hope to add these. It relies on no scripting additions, and is big and long due to debugging code and comments. It fails to remote mount if it is running OS9 (OS9 "feature"), but I plan to refine this (no guarantees!). >Before you respond, consider also that almost any and every "exception" to >flawless operation will result in a phone call to me, day or night! Any >"*unexpected*" dialogue boxes, etc; are a "show stopper". Just an aside, I quit using this phrase. Apparently, a show stopper is something so -good- that it brings the house down. Anyway, right now, all errors (every task in the script is error-checked) are reported to dialog boxes, and they're worded to help me (the programmer) troubleshoot it, not make things clear to the user, so this is -not- what your correspondent wants. In a couple of weeks I should have it finished up (I work on it on-site on weekends). >This is what makes me think, MAYBE AppleScripting may be the way to go here. >But I'm not a programmer - just a Mac bigot! ;-) If so, does anyone have a >basic script I can "borrow" - hints on how to adapt it, if necessary, are >appreciated! If I supply it free, your support will be limited to what you would expect, but Applescript is not all that hard. That said, being a Mac bigot by itself will not help you. The paths set in my backup script are "hard coded" (for now); you will have to open it up in script editor, understand what you are doing, change it, and recompile it. >Please cc any replies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm posting back to the list in case anyone else wants it. For me, it mostly has been how I learned Applescript. It's been fun, but I've suggested to the company that they buy Retrospect :-), since their backup needs will be growing. If anybody wants this, send me e-mail, I will put your name in the basket, and shortly I will spiff it up and make it available. Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally Weird Error + a rant
>How about printing the PDF version on your own printer and putting >it into a binder for your marking pleasures? Although some prefer it, a PDF-printed manual is often too big and bulky. The [optional] smaller printed and bound manuals are so much better for late-night reading. What serious backup admin doesn't take his manual to bed with him? ;-) Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Totally Weird Error + a rant
>Stop the insanity! Recycle those old manuals! ;-) I never said anything about it myself, but the lack of a version number has driven me crazy a time or two or three as well. Glad to see you have remedied the situation. So now to my question: I'd love to recycle -all- the old manuals. IIRC, we downloaded the 4.2 update. Can we purchase a 4.2 manual for a nominal price? >So how are we doing? Better? Just to let you know, yes, thanks. The personal touch makes a big difference... Regards Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
retrospect exclude selector bug?
I have a directory structure that looks like this (on a disk that is being backed up): nobackup | +---cdarchive | +---folder1 +---folder2 +---folder3 . . . Each folder# contains a variety of files, and some have even more subfolders etc. From the Retrospect main window, I select "Create, Modify, and Schedule Scripts" and then I choose the [only] backup script that we use, and edit it. I get the window that allows me to specify sources, etc. In this window I choose "Selecting" to get a new window that specifies and allows me to define the inclusion and exclusion rules. The inclusions are "all" and one of the exclusion rules says "or matching folder name contains nobackup." The other exclusions have nothing to do with "nobackup," being just the usual bullet exclusions. So far so good, I am trying to exclude the entire nobackup directory because I'm going to archive it to CD when it gets large enough, and now we're all on the same page. After I back up to tape (no errors), I go merrily trying to see what got backed up. I happen to do this by attempting to restore files, first searching for them and marking them for retrieval. When I search for a folder named "nobackup" it finds nothing (zero, nada, zilch). I agree. When I search for "cdarchive" it finds a 1K icon file as the sole item in the folder called "cdarchive." Not sure why but no big deal. When I search in each folder#, it finds nothing in certain ones, a 1K icon in others, BUT in SOME of them it finds every file. IOW, some of my files have been being backed up when they are not supposed to be. What's wrong here? My boss is mad because I keep having to use 2 tapes when one should easily do, because to my chagrin I'm backing up [large] excluded files. Looks like a bug to me but I will entertain better explanations. I found nothing in the manual that might solve this. Stefan Jeglinski Note: the subfolders are not literally named "folder#." I just used that to make the description clearer. The actual folder names are not unusual and do not contain weird characters. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
retro for a small windows set-up
Pardon the naive question, but I am trying to provide a recommendation for a small company. I'm used to Retro on the Mac and backup a network to DLT, so I am a bit ignorant here. The company needs a simple small non-networked backup solution (one single PC), for the least amount of money (I know I know...). Of course I am suggesting Retrospect, but I don't know of a suggestion for a backup device. They wanted to just use a zip, but I am at least recommending something more reliable than that. For their light backup needs, I am thinking of just going with a lowly DAT drive with a lot of redundancy. Can anyone recommend one for a Pentium 100 with 16Meg running 98SE? Does one typically attach such a thing to a parallel port? The machine already has 2 printers connected to 2 physical parallel ports. Can one gang parallel ports a la SCSI? Although the amount to be backed up is not large (one small hard drive, maybe 600MB), I am leaning toward DAT because the company personnel are very technology disinclined, and something like a CDR *will* scare them. Buying a Mac and backing up over a network is totally out of the question ("what's a network?"). They have an ancient tape drive that they used to run on Win3.1 before they were forced to upgrade to 98SE. I don't think they ever have known if they were -really- backing anything up, but they like the idea of tape because it is familiar to them. What they have may actually be a DAT drive (I haven't seen it yet), but they want to buy a new one. On Windows, does one have to install a separate driver for a backup drive from the drive's manufacturer, or does Retro alone take care of that? Stefan Jeglinski -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:<http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]