Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
elstensoftware wrote: > It was certainly a problem with old and unmaintained players, but what > new players don't support it? > > I guess there are car stereos etc... I find that most (not all) players in Android don't support it (or only loosely support it). I can't be specific because it has been a year since I last looked, and perhaps support has improved. I've only found 2 or 3 in Android that support the tag as well as I've been used to on desktop systems (like LMS). Now thankfully it isn't all software, but occasionally, I find a program I would love to do because it looks nice with good features, but those end up the cases where the support is not there (or poor). emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
emalvick wrote: > Afterall, I am still amazed at how many software and hardware still > don't recognize Album Artist as a tag. It was certainly a problem with old and unmaintained players, but what new players don't support it? I guess there are car stereos etc... 'bliss' (https://www.blisshq.com) - fully automated music library management. 'Read the music library management blog' (https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/) including 'how to use bliss to manage Squeezebox album art' (https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2010/09/14/album-art-squeezebox/) elstensoftware's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31345 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
BJW wrote: > Personally, I have never had to set a comp=0 tag, ever, for anything. > > I have never had server call something with no comp tags AND album > artist tags a comp. if it ever has done so, I would love to know the > criteria necessary to cause it? > > My understanding is this: > > There are only 2 circumstances u would need a comp=0 tag: > > 1. Server is identifying something as a comp, for whatever reason, and > the user wants to force server to NOT recognize whatever it is as a > comp. > > (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I put album > artist tags on everything) > > 2. A user has a CD ripped such that different tracks are in different > folders, (like iTunes did, and maybe still does), and by setting comp=0 > the CD shows as one album, but not a comp. imagine a CD like Duets. > The differing folders would have made server think it's differing albums > when it isn't, (I think, or maybe the different artists in different > folders, etc) but it's also not a comp. so the comp=0 tag "fixes" the > issue. > > (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I always rip one > CD to one folder. Imo, server shouldn't accommodate bad behavior by > crap like iTunes, but there it is) > > So bottom line is most people shouldn't need or use comp=0 tags. Even > if they have some justification by the 2 usage cases above, server is > buggy enough to where u still can get weird results. The two links in > my sig and bugzilla have documentation of such bizarre behaviors. This happened to me with LMS (or its predecessor, around v 7.3). That's why I ended up going that route. I have AlbumArtist tags on EVERYTHING and I would still have tracks and albums pop up as compilations. My circumstances did not split albums across folders (I don't use ITunes and it would drive me crazy). But, it was happening quite often. Now was there something else on my end causing the problem? maybe. This was right when I started with a Squeezebox of any type, and I was definitely cleaning up files and tags. Most of the files at the time were MP3's. I never saw a fix being implemented (successfully), so I just created an action in MP3Tag that forces comp=0 for all files I run through it, even as I have been working to put everything into FLAC format. So your bottom line statement is correct, of course. Heck I was criticized for using comp=0 then, but my reasons even met your reason, and I only mention it now because it did solve my issues and it can force a no compilation determination from the server if all else fails. Plus, it doesn't seem to hurt anything. On a side note, I work as a regulator for seismic and flood safety. We often recommend that people put redundant measures in place for safety because it all but assures safety. I guess I always felt that the comp=0 tag was a nice redundancy for the album artist tag. Afterall, I am still amazed at how many software and hardware still don't recognize Album Artist as a tag. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Personally, I have never had to set a comp=0 tag, ever, for anything. I have never had server call something with no comp tags AND album artist tags a comp. if it ever has done so, I would love to know the criteria necessary to cause it? My understanding is this: There are only 2 circumstances u would need a comp=0 tag: 1. Server is identifying something as a comp, for whatever reason, and the user wants to force server to NOT recognize whatever it is as a comp. (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I put album artist tags on everything) 2. A user has a CD ripped such that different tracks are in different folders, (like iTunes did, and maybe still does), and by setting comp=0 the CD shows as one album, but not a comp. imagine a CD like Duets. The differing folders would have made server think it's differing albums when it isn't, (I think, or maybe the different artists in different folders, etc) but it's also not a comp. so the comp=0 tag "fixes" the issue. (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I always rip one CD to one folder. Imo, server shouldn't accommodate bad behavior by crap like iTunes, but there it is) So bottom line is most people shouldn't need or use comp=0 tags. Even if they have some justification by the 2 usage cases above, server is buggy enough to where u still can get weird results. The two links in my sig and bugzilla have documentation of such bizarre behaviors. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
BJW wrote: > Ok, so since it has been said by me, why not try it? > > I can guarantee u that no comp tag is *not* the same as comp=0 > > ...but i never guarantee what server will do. Still, give it a whirl, > see if it does what u want. I second the above. The difference between a comp=0 and no comp tag, is that LMS will try to interpret what the comp tag is if it isn't set. This becomes an issue at times when the ARTIST tag is not the same for every track on an album, which does occur when you have a true compilation album, but will also occur in situations where the artist tags differ because of a guest artist or other variation. I believe the intent is that if the Album Artist is set that it should act like the comp tag = 0, but that was not perfect. So, in my own library, I set comp=0 for most albums, except those that are truly a various artists compilation, in which case I set comp=1. This is all less than perfect and somewhat of a hack on perhaps the real intentions, but I've not had any issues since I started setting a comp tag for every file (0 or 1). I'm sure it would be problematic if I was using other software, but LMS and one other software (MediaMonkey) are my only music library software. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Ok, so since it has been said by me, why not try it? I can guarantee u that no comp tag is *not* the same as comp=0 ...but i never guarantee what server will do. Still, give it a whirl, see if it does what u want. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
BJW wrote: > This is something I don't personally do, so idk if it works, but my > understanding is that setting a comp=0 tag is supposed to join tracks > from different folders into the same album, if otherwise identical. I've never been able to get files from different directories to join as a single album with all tags the same. I do not use the comp flag at all. I do comp albums strictly with "Album Artist", some compilations I use "Various", some I use "Soundtrack", etc. All "Artist" tags are the actual performing artist for the track. I would have thought that no Comp tag would be the same as Comp=0, but I've never tested Comp=0 with an album spread across multiple directories. I've only tested with no comp tag at all. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Regarding the initial issue, it should be obvious that album art prioritized what's in a folder, while now playing prioritized what's embedded. Even better would be to expose this ranking in settings. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
w3wilkes wrote: > The problem is I've never been able to get tracks in different folders > to be joined into a single album even with all relevant tags being > identical. This is something I don't personally do, so idk if it works, but my understanding is that setting a comp=0 tag is supposed to join tracks from different folders into the same album, if otherwise identical. It's a hack, (like a lot of servers bizarre behavior) that persists from the early days, as a reaction to stupid things iTunes was doing, (many of them still doing) Various artists "logic" greatest hits "logic" etc... the will to handle things properly is gone, and been satiated with "good enough" or works for me, etc, no matter how broken or unintuitive. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Thanks for the replies. I think Ill take a bit of a short cut then and just create a blank 2 second track as the last track and embed the album cover artwork into that for LMS to show in the pane. Not ideal as itll show an additional track but it will do for me. HB 1 x Duet, 1 x Boom, 3 x Radio, 2 x Touch with iPeng 9 served by Synology 1815+ and LMS 7.9.2 HeadBanger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
My experience has been that LMS will only associate one album cover with an album (regardless of whether you have different album covers embedded in each file). I think this is part of the database structure. Thus, even if you are successful getting each file into its own folder but recognized as one album, I think LMS will still treat it as one album / one album cover. In my case, I don't even have jpg files anymore, and LMS usually just pulls the cover from the first or last track. I had wanted something similar in the past, thus my experience. LMS may prioritize the embedded file over a folder file (I don't recall the real situation), but it won't pull the embedded file from each track. A less ideal workaround (which I tried but abandoned) is to create multiple individual albums and use a playlist to gather them into the full compilation. You would essentially have to treat each track as a single. The obvious disadvantage is that you would have to remember to use a playlist to listen to the album. You could theoretically place all the tracks in one folder and perhaps play the folder to get the album effect. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
The problem is I've never been able to get tracks in different folders to b e joined into a single album even with all relevant tags being identical. @mherger might be able to provide additional guidance or perhaps take this as a feature request. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Thanks for the replies and sorry for the delay in responding. w3wilkes wrote: > If I understand what the OP wants it's to have the album show in the > left pane of LMS WebGUI with the separate cover.jpg image, but the now > playing image to be the imbedded cover art image. Yes, exactly that. So if I understand correctly I will need the album folder to contain: 1. A jpeg of the album cover 2. Individual sub folders containing the individual tracks and track jpeg (not embedded artwork). Is that correct? Thanks again, HB 1 x Duet, 1 x Boom, 3 x Radio, 2 x Touch with iPeng 9 served by Synology 1815+ and LMS 7.9.2 HeadBanger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Hm, but embedding the artwork in the file should give it higher priority for the track than the album cover --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
since "Greatest Hits" and singles mostly two different Tracks with different lengths... What a hazzle to fake something thats not the real deal. And a single mostly has a b-side.. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
d6jg wrote: > I agree. The only way the OP could achieve individual covers would be to > put each individual music file into individual folders. Bit of a faff. If I understand what the OP wants it's to have the album show in the left pane of LMS WebGUI with the separate cover.jpg image, but the now playing image to be the imbedded cover art image. I think the separate folder thing would just show each track as a separate album in the left pane with the imbedded cover art image in each track as the album cover. I've never been able to get same album tracks in separate folders to be shown as a single album like in a 2 disk set. I ended up having to put the tracks in the same directory, use the Disc # tag along with the LMS setting My Music tab -> Group Discs set to "Treat multi-disc sets as a single album". Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
reinholdk wrote: > IIRC, embedded covers have higher priority than the extra cover file. I agree. The only way the OP could achieve individual covers would be to put each individual music file into individual folders. Bit of a faff. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
IIRC, embedded covers have higher priority than the extra cover file. reinholdk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36070 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
