Re: [RDD] Rivendell-dev Digest, Vol 62, Issue 4

[Chuck]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> Subject: Re: [RDD] Rivendell-dev Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21
> On Wed, 23 May 2018, JC/BT wrote:
> 
> > I spent a lot of time recently with another colleague, both of us trying to
> > get this system to work.
> > Alas, it never did: we tried Ubuntu 14, Ubuntu 18, Cent OS7, with step by
> > step instructions from for different (and I mean different!!) sources!
> 
> > All i can say is that this is a must laudable attempt at a playout system
> > (and I've used them all, from high-end Dalet down to hobbyist Station
> > Playlist), but it's a pity all your efforts don't go into a product that can
> > be set up by someone who isn't a computer 'nerd' ( absolutely no offence
> > intended)!
> 
> You can buy pre-configured Rivendell machines from Paravel for less than 
> you'll spend with any other reputable automation vendor. If you like 
> Rivendell but don't have the skills in house to make it work, that's the 
> way to go, I think.
> 
> 
> Rob <

  I am by no means a qualified nerd, but rather, a creative who--in this
day and age--has to make the hardware work by myself.  Recently, I have
put the CentOS 7 appliance on 2 radically different computers (laptop
and desktop), and they worked brilliantly right out of the box.  Both
were recent hardware, which may make a difference, but if the appliance
doesn't work, try different hardware.

  An IT pro is helping to build a client machine on Pi's, which would
solve some logistic problems at a particular installation, and that task
is daunting.  But after batting a thousand with the appliance on recent
hardware, I don't know how it could get any easier.  I have been working
nearly exclusively with Linux since 2011 and the CentOS 7 installer is
the absolute best of the major distros.  Current problem is not
Rivendell at all, but getting the Cinelerra-CV video editor to install
on an Ubuntu Studio laptop installation.  The Rivendell appliance was a
breeze compared to that.

--Chuck W.

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Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[Bill Putney]

I've been following this thread a little and a few things come to mind.

Once you get deep down in bugville it takes a nerd to figure things out. 
If it's a *nix nerd, could be anyone and since there are "man pages", 
about anyone can figure out most things on their own. If it's Windoz 
nerd, they have to have gone to the M$ certification training and have 
taken generous doses of Redmond supplied Cool-Aid®. There is nowhere for 
you to find out those "secrets" to help yourself.


Most people get all frustrated by *nix because it gives you the tools to 
try to help yourself. Fixing a difficult problem can be hard. If you 
have a similar bug in Windows most people try never try to fix it 
themselves, and so, are frustrated by the support system not the 
operating system.


If you just apply a Windows user perspective on *nix system use, all 
will be well. Immediately upon encountering a problem, through up your 
hands and find a nerd to fix it.


As for Rivendell... It's really a pretty mature product. For all the 
things it does it can be compared in complexity to the Office suite. You 
can buy a Paravel appliance with the hardware and software ready to plug 
and play. Or, you can buy/build your own hardware system and use the 
Rivendell Appliance LiveCD and the most complex issue you'll have to 
deal with is what timezone you're in. If you pay for support from 
Paravel, it is the least expensive thing you'll pay for at a broadcast 
station. Why wouldn't you do that, even if you are a nerd? Paravel 
spends a lot of time and energy keeping Rivendell up to snuff and adding 
features. Why wouldn't you want them to stay a healthy business enterprise?


If you want to live on the bleeding edge by trying to setup and operate 
one of the many excellent ports of Rivendell, you have to accept some of 
the risk/rewards that brings. But, you're way outside what a user could 
even start to attempt in the Windows world. Attempts to make Rivendell 
"better" by porting it to Windows ignores a lot about how Windows is 
supported. Are you ever going to find a nerd that can help you support 
your Windows port of Rivendell? You're way past pointing fingers at 
Redmond at that point.


Bill Putney - WB6RFW

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On 6/4/18 6:47 AM, Cowboy wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 05:58:33 -0700
Mike Carroll  wrote:


WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux.  Optional free component of Windows that
provides a fully compatible *command-line* Ubuntu system.  Other distros
are potentially available, depending on their maintainers.

  Al sent me the URL, so now I know.


I can see where WSL could be used for the services part of Rivendell, but
not the graphic displays?

  I still think not, because...


On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:30 AM Cowboy  wrote:

  2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$
   not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how
   this would even be possible ?


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Re: [RDD] File Name in RDLibrary

[Seth Stevenson]

I have tried rdimport and it didn't work either. I tried using a third
party tagger and the name is still not showing up in the cuts withing the
cart itself. I also tried the Rivendell promo flac files that are on the
website, and they are not showing up either. Not sure what to do. I am
using a compiled version of rivendell 2.13.0 on a raspberry pi. Fred, any
suggestions?

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 5:57 PM Robert Jeffares 
wrote:

> Hi Seth,
>
> On 30/05/18 02:08, Seth Stevenson wrote:
>
> Is the metadata being lost because of the conversion.
>
>
> Things to try:
>
> use rdimport --verbose --delete-cuts --to-cart=[cartnum no leading 0]
> GROUP /path/to/file.mp3
>
> with NO other switches and see what populates the Cart data.
>
> rdimport reads some but not all variants of mp3 tag sometimes failing
> because of junk in the tag file.
>
> rdimport on the command line is a lot easier to tune then the GUI.
>
> Also:
> Look at the file and try and locate the tag data. Tags can be ID3v1,
> ID3v2.3, ID3v2.4 and  can contain characters which upset the importer.
> Some rippers include tag data with ~!@#$%^&*()_+|"?>< ®¥ and other symbols
> which bash looks at as commands.
> Somewhere I have a script that sets ALL tags to 'null' except Artist and
> Title  which I run before the audio is imported.
>
> Meanwhile this code helped me import a bunch of files which had tag issues.
>
>
> -snip
>
>
> #! /bin/bash
> # you need to have id3info and eyeD3 installed
> # copy the files you want to import into a local folder and run this
> script from within the folder
> # this script will extract the Artist etc from the mp3 tag including GENRE
>
> # and make a label on the file that can be used to put the data in the
> Rivendell database
> # using rdimport --verbose --metadata-pattern=%a-%t-%l-%u.mp3 GROUP the
> GENRE gets put on the user line
> # there is an upper limit as to how many you can do at once
>
> # WARNING do this on COPIES of the files
>
> # If the files are coming from i tunes check the GENRE has been written to
> the mp3 tags
>
> echo "Extracting tags..."
> for i in *.mp3
> do
>
> TITLE="`id3info "$i" | grep '^=== TIT2' | sed -e 's/.*: //g'`"
> ARTIST="`id3info "$i" | grep '^=== TPE1' | sed -e 's/.*: //g'`"
> ALBUM="`id3info "$i" | grep '^=== TALB' | sed -e 's/.*: //g'`"
> YEAR="`id3info "$i" | grep '^=== TYER' | sed -e 's/.*: //g'`"
> GENRE="`eyeD3 "$i" | grep 'genre' | sed -e 's/.*: //g'  -e 's/(.*)//g'
> -e  's/^ *//;s/ *$//g' `"
>
> echo "$ARTIST $TITLE $ALBUM $YEAR $GENRE"
> mv "$i" "$ARTIST-$TITLE-$ALBUM-$YEAR-$GENRE.mp3"
>
> done
>
> echo "hint: rdimport --verbose --metadata-pattern=%a-%t-%l-%u.mp3
> --delete-source [GROUP] *.mp3"
>
>
>
> -snip
>
> all the usual caveats apply.
>
> regards
>
> Robert
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Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[Lorne Tyndale]

Hi,

I think the trick to make this work would be to only run the GUI on a
Windows box and leave all the file and audio handling, all the daemons
on a Linux box.

If all the file handling that is done by the GUI (such as RDAirplay,
RDLibrary, etc) is routed through the Apache service, and with all the
audio stuff being done through CAED, then I would think that for a
Windows box it *should* be possible to specify to put those services on
a Linux box, only run the GUI on Windows (we do have QT3 on Windows). 
The limitation would be that audio and file handling would need to be on
a Linux server.

At the moment we're almost there - in rdadmin you can already specify
the location of caed and apache.  But as I understand it there are areas
in the code which don't work fully this way.

The other way to accomplish something like this with the current code is
to run X on Windows talking to a Linux box (xming or similar) or VNC and
remote desktop to the Linux box.

Lorne Tyndale


> > WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux.  Optional free component of Windows that
> > provides a fully compatible *command-line* Ubuntu system.  Other distros
> > are potentially available, depending on their maintainers.
> 
>  Al sent me the URL, so now I know.
> 
> > I can see where WSL could be used for the services part of Rivendell, but
> > not the graphic displays?
> 
>  I still think not, because...
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:30 AM Cowboy  wrote:
> 
> > >  2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$
> > >   not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how
> > >   this would even be possible ?
> 
> -- 
> Cowboy
> 
> He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the 
> dictionary.
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Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[Cowboy]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 05:58:33 -0700
Mike Carroll  wrote:

> WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux.  Optional free component of Windows that
> provides a fully compatible *command-line* Ubuntu system.  Other distros
> are potentially available, depending on their maintainers.

 Al sent me the URL, so now I know.

> I can see where WSL could be used for the services part of Rivendell, but
> not the graphic displays?

 I still think not, because...

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:30 AM Cowboy  wrote:

> >  2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$
> >   not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how
> >   this would even be possible ?

-- 
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell-dev Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21

[drew Roberts]

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

>
>>
> You can buy pre-configured Rivendell machines from Paravel for less than
> you'll spend with any other reputable automation vendor. If you like
> Rivendell but don't have the skills in house to make it work, that's the
> way to go, I think.


And even if you have the skills, if you are deploying for a for profit
station, iy can be a good idea to get your machine from Paravel in any case.


>
>
>
> Rob
>
> all the best,

drew
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Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[Mike Carroll]

WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux.  Optional free component of Windows that
provides a fully compatible *command-line* Ubuntu system.  Other distros
are potentially available, depending on their maintainers.

I can see where WSL could be used for the services part of Rivendell, but
not the graphic displays?

Wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux


On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:30 AM Cowboy  wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:40:11 +0200
> s.lud...@astrastudio.de wrote:
>
> > And thanks to WSL, Rivendell now runs on Windows - you could say
> > "natively without any VM" around it.
>
>  Excuse me ??
>
>  1. What's "WSL" ?
>
>  2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$
>   not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how
>   this would even be possible ?
>
> --
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>
> He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the
> dictionary.
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell-dev Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 23 May 2018, JC/BT wrote:


I spent a lot of time recently with another colleague, both of us trying to
get this system to work.
Alas, it never did: we tried Ubuntu 14, Ubuntu 18, Cent OS7, with step by
step instructions from for different (and I mean different!!) sources!



All i can say is that this is a must laudable attempt at a playout system
(and I've used them all, from high-end Dalet down to hobbyist Station
Playlist), but it's a pity all your efforts don't go into a product that can
be set up by someone who isn't a computer 'nerd' ( absolutely no offence
intended)!


You can buy pre-configured Rivendell machines from Paravel for less than 
you'll spend with any other reputable automation vendor. If you like 
Rivendell but don't have the skills in house to make it work, that's the 
way to go, I think.



Rob

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell-dev Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21

[JC/BT]

I spent a lot of time recently with another colleague, both of us trying to
get this system to work.

Alas, it never did: we tried Ubuntu 14, Ubuntu 18, Cent OS7, with step by
step instructions from for different (and I mean different!!) sources!

All i can say is that this is a must laudable attempt at a playout system
(and I've used them all, from high-end Dalet down to hobbyist Station
Playlist), but it's a pity all your efforts don't go into a product that
can be set up by someone who isn't a computer 'nerd' ( absolutely no
offence intended)!

Best of luck

Mark and Jeff


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>1. mysql query to file report (Mircea Paun)
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>5. Re: mysql query to file report (Mircea Paun)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 19:41:25 +0300
> From: Mircea Paun 
> To: USER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RIVENDELL RADIO AUTOMATION SYSTEM
> 
> Subject: [RDD] mysql query to file report
> Message-ID: <83022d77-96c4-4e85-8d5f-7cb394502...@gmail.com>
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> Hi,
> From previous posts and my additions I have reached this form of mysql
> query:
> -
> SELECT Audio_SRT.EVENT_DATETIME,\
> CART.TITLE,\
> CART.ARTIST,\
> CART.COMPOSER,\
> TIME_FORMAT(SEC_TO_TIME(Audio_SRT.LENGTH/1000),"%i:%s"),\
> TIME_FORMAT(SEC_TO_TIME(CART.FORCED_LENGTH/1000),"%i:%s"),\
> CART.LABEL,CART.ALBUM FROM `Audio_SRT`
> LEFT JOIN CART ON Audio_SRT.CART_NUMBER = CART.NUMBER
> WHERE (Audio_SRT.EVENT_DATETIME BETWEEN DATE_FORMAT(NOW() - INTERVAL 1
> MONTH, '%Y-%m-01 00:00:00') AND DATE_FORMAT(LAST_DAY(NOW() - INTERVAL 1
> MONTH), '%Y-%m-%d 23:59:59'))
> AND (CART.GROUP_NAME in ('MUSIC','XMAS'))
> INTO OUTFILE '/tmp/Playout.csv'
> FIELDS TERMINATED BY ';' ENCLOSED BY '"' LINES TERMINATED BY '\n';
> ---
> Does anyone help me to include PLAY_COUNTER field, from another "CUTS"
> TABLE, in this query output, right after ARTIST ?
> Thanks!
>
> mIRCea
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> Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 12:10:57 -0500
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> Subject: [RDD] *** position out of bounds on signal: ...
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>
>
> rdairplay is kicking out these error messages.
>
> Almost always it is complaining about two very short cuts in one cart which
>
> act as a divider between nearly all of our other cuts during playback.
>
> But I have seen the message about a few other cuts as well.
>
>
> I shortened one of the cuts slightly and that changed the "Pos: "
> (position?)
>
> to be a slightly smaller number.? So... it seems to imply the problem is
>
> at the end of the cut.
>
>
> Any ideas about what this means?
>
>
> Chris Howard
>
> Classic Book Radio
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 16:35:15 -0700
> From: Mike Carroll 
> To: Mircea Paun 
> Cc: USER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RIVENDELL RADIO AUTOMATION SYSTEM
> 
> Subject: Re: [RDD] mysql query to file report
> Message-ID:
>  w4qm...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> What have you already tried?  Give us a hint so we don't waste time
> duplicating your work.
>
> There can be many cuts in a cart.  Which one do you want?
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:41 AM Mircea Paun  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > From previous posts and my additions I have reached this form of mysql
> > query:
> > -
> > SELECT Audio_SRT.EVENT_DATETIME,\
> > CART.TITLE,\
> > CART.ARTIST,\
> > CART.COMPOSER,\
> > TIME_FORMAT(SEC_TO_TIME(Audio_SRT.LENGTH/1000),"%i:%s"),\
> > TIME_FORMAT(SEC_TO_TIME(CART.FORCED_LENGTH/1000),"%i:%s"),\
> > CART.LABEL,CART.ALBUM FROM `Audio_SRT`
> > LEFT JOIN CART ON Audio_SRT.CART_NUMBER = CART.NUMBER
> > WHERE (Audio_SRT.EVENT_DATETIME BETWEEN 

Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[Cowboy]

On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:40:11 +0200
s.lud...@astrastudio.de wrote:

> And thanks to WSL, Rivendell now runs on Windows - you could say 
> "natively without any VM" around it.

 Excuse me ??

 1. What's "WSL" ?

 2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$
  not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how
  this would even be possible ?

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Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond

[S . Ludwig]

On 2018-06-04 06:38, Gary Hodder wrote:

There are a other alternatives.
Will Rivendell move or stay?


I don't see a problem here unless something drastically changes at 
github.
Microsoft has made quite a number of contributions to the open source 
world in the last years with almost 2k repositories and >1k3 employees 
pushing code to github.
It is the second biggest contributor of opensource (only google 
contributed more).
And thanks to WSL, Rivendell now runs on Windows - you could say 
"natively without any VM" around it.


I don't like some of the moves MS made in its company history, but the 
last years really changed the game.


Just my 2 cents ;-)
/Sascha

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