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ODL!!! Southerners are racists!!! Javvy [EMAIL PROTECTED](running).com -Original Message- From: Komrade Phillip L. Harbison [...snipped...] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Disclaimer: I, of course, was JUST JOKING with my original comments. Have you ever been to Palisades Park in/outside of Oneonta, AL and seen the Confederate memorial there? Javvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deo vendice. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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How does your friend like working for labor bosses?? Lee UA '92 -Original Message- From: William H Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NAME THIS COUNTRY You knew what type of intelligence I was talking about. :-) 'Soviet Intelligence' refers to spying on the former Soviet Union. Strangely, he got his degree within a few months of the USSR folding. This has been a constant source of derision to him from me since he graduated. As has his working for Gephart. He speaks all of the flavors of Russian, Ukrainian, Arabic, etc. and he can spell all of the J-K states (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc.) without a scorecard. And he correctly predicted to me for years that we would eventually be the target of a small band of terrorists from that part of the world. bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:07:57 -0500 Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --comments imbedded-- -Original Message- From: William H Evans ...he graduated from AU in 1989 with a degree in 'Soviet Intelligence'. comments Where do I begin with this sentence? I guess I can translate a little. ..He graduated from AU in 1989 means he drove by Tooter's Corner in 1989 with his window open. a degree in 'Soviet Intelligence' - - This is a tough one to understand. First, a degree in this subject would take about 15 minutes to achieve due to the lack of subject matter. Second, 'Soviet Intelligence' is an oxymoron. /comments :-) Javvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Mike Laborde wrote: From: Komrade Phillip L. Harbison and: Looks like all the lefties are out today! ;-) I'm a libertarian, not a lefty. I am not opposed to military spending. I'm not opposed to kicking the crap out of anyone who attacks us. Hell, I don't even mind being the aggressor if there is a worthwhile goal (like taking Iraq's oil and ridding the world of an a-hole like Saddam Hussein). You will find no flower power signs at the B3ARCUB hacienda, but I would give the Russians some of the oil if it helped their experiment in capitalism. Ron Rice wrote: Excellent post Phil. Less military is not a bad thing. I'm not advocating less military. In fact, I think military spending is woefully inadequate. I am simply saying we need to spend our money wisely. Spending money on weapon systems and bases the military doesn't even want is foolish. Spending money on an ABM system while neglecting maintenance, training, and intelligence is foolish and possibly fatal. But before we can fix our military budget, we need to change the military philosophy of the civilian government. Why is the only remaining superpower still preparing to fight the cold war in two theatres? We are planning to fight World War II again and failing to plan for contemporary threats. Our best military experts are telling us this, so why are we not listening? Who are the contemporary threats? I don't think the Russians are a problem. Our best bet is to do everything we can to see that their experiment in capitalism is a raving success. It will take some time, but I believe the same policy will eventually work for China. So who does that leave? About a dozen totalitarian or fanatical regimes around the world bent on regional (if not world) domination including Iraz, Iran, the Taliban, Al Queda, and the PLO. How do we deal with these threats? The key is the 4 R's. Readiness: We need to be ready to fight at a moments notice. Our enemies must know that any attack will be provoke an immediate and disproportionate response. Reconnaisance: We should do our homework BEFORE a conflict erupts. We should know who our enemies are, where they are, what they are planning, and how we can best attach them or foil their plans. Sun Tzu said all battles are won before they are fought. He also said the best generals are those who win without even having to fight. We've forgotten that lesson and allowed the marvels of satellite recon to lull us into complacency. Reach: We should be able to project overwhelming force to any corner of the world on short notice. This is one area where our spending is both misguided and inadequate. What we need is more mobility. We need more carriers so we can maintain a floating air base near any hot spot. We must be able to operate without the cooperation of the surrounding states. That requires transport systems that can ferry massive forces from the nearest carrier group, and planes like the Joint Strike Fighter (VTOL) that can operate near the conflict point from minimal air bases. Resolve: When we deploy our troops, we should pursue our battle plan with the tenacity of a pit bull. We cannot allow the first news footage of casualties to weaken our resolve. Our withdrawal from Somalia probably did more to encourage the 9/11 attacks than anything other than our military presence in the land of two holy places. We could have had 20 times the armed services we have and it wouldn't have prevented Sept. 11th. True, but adequate emphasis on human intelligence might have prevented it. -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Our quote for the day... The middle of the road is the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters. President Dwight D. Eisenhower [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Laborde Looks like all the lefties are out today! ;-) To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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William H Evans wrote: He kept telling me Why build a missile defense system when we can't protect ourselves against a terrorist attack? He's right. :-) Iraq and N. Korea aren't going to be attacking us in a conventional sense with ICBM's. North Korea supposedly has a missile that could reach the Alutien Islands. They might melt a lot of ice and snow and kill some baby seals. I'll let Greenpeace worry about that. Just as long as Russell's beer remains cold. :-) Let's spend that money on intelligence so we'll know what they are planning. This guy is pretty smart for an aubie. :-) I called him up on Sept. 12 to tell him You were right. We have neglected human intelligence to our peril. While we marveled at satellites that could pick up Nixon's five o'clock shadow as he got off the plane in Beijing, or see the Titleist logo on a golf ball, Al Queda we plotting our demise in the caves of Afghanistan. You would think by now we could have payed someone to get close enough to Assmama to plant a GPS transponder so our cruise missiles would have accurate targeting information. Javvy wrote: a degree in 'Soviet Intelligence' [...] First, a degree in this subject would take about 15 minutes to achieve due to the lack of subject matter. Underestimating the enemy invites disasters like Pearl Harbor, Yalu River, Vietnam, and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks. Piratespt wrote: Deo vendice. Amen! +---+ | * * | | * * | | * * | | * | | * * | | * * | | * * | +---+ -- Phil Harbison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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These two points are the keys to this thread. It is a matter of priorities in a changing world. Aircraft carriers and 100 megaton hydrogen bombs do little to dissuade a small band of terrorists from doing their dastardly deeds. If they had to spend some time wondering if their organization had been infiltrated by US intelligence (even if it hasn't), it would at least cause them problems. Some on-target intelligence *could* give us some advance warning next time. knock on wood On a slightly different note that applies back to Jeff's original post: The US Army helicopter design/maintenance groups are in Huntsville. For the past three years I have been hearing that they didn't have enough spare parts to even use the choppers for training. It would have been nice if Clinton had taken the savings from streamlining the military and used them to buy some spare parts to keep what we already have in operation. A grounded Apache is only useful as a paper weight. bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:23:40 -0500 Phillip L. Harbison We could have had 20 times the armed services we have and it wouldn't have prevented Sept. 11th. True, but adequate emphasis on human intelligence might have prevented it. -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Scott Rogers wrote: There are no pristine, saintly political figures [...] James E. Carter on line 1. :-) Bill Evans wrote: After the election last November, I e-mailed him about the St. Louis polls being held open after hours in Democratic districts. Why would you object to registered voters exercising their right to vote? We have a big problem with voting throughput here in Atlanta and I would bet STL has the same problem. Most blue collar people have to work during the day when the polls are open. If the polls are only open from 7AM to 6PM, they have a window of about 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening to vote. That puts a big strain on the system. Of course the obvious solution is to LEGALLY expand the voting hours, and Atlanta has done that. I think some of our precincts stay open until 7 or 8 PM. I think anyone in line by closing time also gets to vote no matter how long that takes. Is that not reasonable? -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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-- comments embedded -- On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:02:40 -0500 Phillip L. Harbison Iraq and N. Korea aren't going to be attacking us in a conventional sense with ICBM's. North Korea supposedly has a missile that could reach the Alutien Islands. They might melt a lot of ice and snow and kill some baby seals. I'll let Greenpeace worry about that. Just as long as Russell's beer remains cold. :-) It might reach the Aleutians with a favorable wind and if the stars are in alignment. Otherwise it is likely to take out the N. Korean launch facility. Let's spend that money on intelligence so we'll know what they are planning. This guy is pretty smart for an aubie. :-) Like I said: I felt compelled to call him and say You were right. Dos va donya, bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Phil - I agree with you on Jimmy Carter. He may have been an ineffective President, a less than Presidential leader, and totally lost on the economy, but his character is beyond reproach. We had a huge argument about this on AU-Sports about two months ago. Carter also did some things that he caught flack for at the time but that turned out to be the correct thing to do: He tried to kill the B-1 program and started the Tomahawk cruise missile program. His point was this: Why don't we continue to use these proven B-52's and put some cruise missiles on them so they don't have to come with 1500 miles of their targets? The few B-1's that we currently have will have been in mothballs for 40 years before they retire the B-52's in 2050. The objection to them keeping the polls open in St. Louis was that they ONLY did it in Democratic districts. Then they bussed in every likely Democratic voter they could find. But as Scott Rogers reminded us, politics is NEVER a polite, gentlemanly pursuit. Hanky-panky is the norm, unless your initials are JEC. bill evans Hartselle, AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:16:12 -0500 Phillip L. Harbison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scott Rogers wrote: There are no pristine, saintly political figures [...] James E. Carter on line 1. :-) Bill Evans wrote: After the election last November, I e-mailed him about the St. Louis polls being held open after hours in Democratic districts. Why would you object to registered voters exercising their right to vote? We have a big problem with voting throughput here in Atlanta and I would bet STL has the same problem. Most blue collar people have to work during the day when the polls are open. If the polls are only open from 7AM to 6PM, they have a window of about 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening to vote. That puts a big strain on the system. Of course the obvious solution is to LEGALLY expand the voting hours, and Atlanta has done that. I think some of our precincts stay open until 7 or 8 PM. I think anyone in line by closing time also gets to vote no matter how long that takes. Is that not reasonable? -- Phil Harbison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Former Chicago Mayor Richard Daley encouraging voters: "Vote early, and vote often". JT -Original Message-From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:33 PMSubject: Re: [RollTideFan] NAME THIS COUNTRYSince he is a Democrat, he likes it.He works at Gephart's St. Louis office. After the election lastNovember, I e-mailed him about the St. Louis polls being held open afterhours in Democratic districts.He actually lamented that they used to be able to get away with stufflike that in Chicago and St. Louis without getting caught. I would havestrangled him if I could have gotten my hands on him that day.bill evansHartselle, AL[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:49:54 -0600 "Baker, Lee"[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does your friend like working for labor bosses?? Lee UA '92 GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word "UNSUBSCRIBE" (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
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Jimmy Carter was perhaps the smartest man to ever be President...and had the biggest heartbut he was a micromanagerand bad economic and foreign affairs advice and events destroyed himdont try to tar him with that Clintonesque brushof everybody does itpolitics is hard ball...but it doesnt have to be low ball. But as Scott Rogers reminded us, politics is NEVER a polite, gentlemanly pursuit. Hanky-panky is the norm, unless your initials are JEC. C'mon guys, even he admitted in the infamous Playboy interview that he lusted in his heart. Being human, I am sure that was a momentary lapse never repeated. Hence, iksnay the aintsay tatusay. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
