[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
I couldn't find anything either. It only states # mathguide Version 1.0 -- 2006-04-05 # Copyright 2004-2006 Hartmut Ring which doesn't sound that good. Mailing ring sounds like a good idea. Should I do it? On Nov 13, 2007 12:41 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
Please do! On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't find anything either. It only states # mathguide Version 1.0 -- 2006-04-05 # Copyright 2004-2006 Hartmut Ring which doesn't sound that good. Mailing ring sounds like a good idea. Should I do it? On Nov 13, 2007 12:41 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
I hope my short description of the GPL isnt't too bad... the rest should be quite alright. Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 2:13 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do! On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't find anything either. It only states # mathguide Version 1.0 -- 2006-04-05 # Copyright 2004-2006 Hartmut Ring which doesn't sound that good. Mailing ring sounds like a good idea. Should I do it? On Nov 13, 2007 12:41 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
Prof. Ring has answered already, here is his response: Guten Tag, Herr Tonti, da ich auf Ihrer Website bzw. im Quellcode von mathGUIde keine Lizenzinformationen finden konnte, erlaube ich es mir, Sie persönlich um diese Informationen zu bitten. Ich schreibe im Namen von Prof. William Stein und Prof. David Joyner, die die Leiter des SAGE (Software for Algebra and Geometry Experimenation) Softwareprojektes sind und momentan überlegen, ob ihr Programm darin aufgenommen werden kann ( URL: www.sagemath.org/ ). Ich möchte hier festhalten, dass es sich bei den in SAGE aufgenommenen Paketen ausschließlich um open source-Software handelt, was auch bedeutet, dass der Quellcode von Dritten verwendet bzw. modifiziert werden kann, unter der Bedingung, dass der Code in Folge weiterhin frei und offen bleibt (siehe z.B. GNU public license GPL). ich habe heute erst von SAGE erfahren und werde mir das Projekt in den nächsten Tagen gerne einmal ansehen. Wären Sie an einer Verwendung Ihres Programmes in SAGE interessiert? Ja, das fände ich sehr interessant. mathGUIde hat allerdings seine eigene Oberfläche (in Qt implementiert). Für mathGUIde selbst gilt die GNU public license GPL. Die Qt noncommercial Edition für Windows hat eine weniger liberale Lizenz, aber unter Linux dürfte es keine Probleme geben. Mit besten Grüßen Hartmut Ring -- Prof. Dr. Hartmut Ring Fachbereich 6 – Mathematik Universität Siegen 57086 Siegen Raum EN-B 221 Tel. +49-2741-930235 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mathematik.uni-siegen.de/ring A short summary of his writing: he didn't know about SAGE earlier, so he's just found out today. He will take a closer look at the project. He'd find it interesting to integrate mathGUIde into SAGE. About the licensing: mathGUIde is GPL (oh yes), he just emphasizes that the Qt noncommercial license for Windows is a bit restrictive, but in his view that shouldn't be a problem with Linux (but we want to use it with Windows, right?). Cheers, Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:36 PM, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope my short description of the GPL isnt't too bad... the rest should be quite alright. Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 2:13 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do! On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't find anything either. It only states # mathguide Version 1.0 -- 2006-04-05 # Copyright 2004-2006 Hartmut Ring which doesn't sound that good. Mailing ring sounds like a good idea. Should I do it? On Nov 13, 2007 12:41 PM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here:
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On Tuesday 13 November 2007, Fabio Tonti wrote: Prof. Ring has answered already, here is his response: Guten Tag, Herr Tonti, da ich auf Ihrer Website bzw. im Quellcode von mathGUIde keine Lizenzinformationen finden konnte, erlaube ich es mir, Sie persönlich um diese Informationen zu bitten. Ich schreibe im Namen von Prof. William Stein und Prof. David Joyner, die die Leiter des SAGE (Software for Algebra and Geometry Experimenation) Softwareprojektes sind und momentan überlegen, ob ihr Programm darin aufgenommen werden kann ( URL: www.sagemath.org/ ). Ich möchte hier festhalten, dass es sich bei den in SAGE aufgenommenen Paketen ausschließlich um open source-Software handelt, was auch bedeutet, dass der Quellcode von Dritten verwendet bzw. modifiziert werden kann, unter der Bedingung, dass der Code in Folge weiterhin frei und offen bleibt (siehe z.B. GNU public license GPL). ich habe heute erst von SAGE erfahren und werde mir das Projekt in den nächsten Tagen gerne einmal ansehen. Wären Sie an einer Verwendung Ihres Programmes in SAGE interessiert? Ja, das fände ich sehr interessant. mathGUIde hat allerdings seine eigene Oberfläche (in Qt implementiert). Für mathGUIde selbst gilt die GNU public license GPL. Die Qt noncommercial Edition für Windows hat eine weniger liberale Lizenz, aber unter Linux dürfte es keine Probleme geben. Mit besten Grüßen Hartmut Ring -- Prof. Dr. Hartmut Ring Fachbereich 6 Mathematik Universität Siegen 57086 Siegen Raum EN-B 221 Tel. +49-2741-930235 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mathematik.uni-siegen.de/ring A short summary of his writing: he didn't know about SAGE earlier, so he's just found out today. He will take a closer look at the project. He'd find it interesting to integrate mathGUIde into SAGE. About the licensing: mathGUIde is GPL (oh yes), he just emphasizes that the Qt noncommercial license for Windows is a bit restrictive, but in his view that shouldn't be a problem with Linux (but we want to use it with Windows, right?). Hi there, Qt4 is GPL across all platforms including Windows. However, I don't see why and how we should/could include a program depending on Qt4 with SAGE? One of the reasons IIRC a webbrowser interface was implemented in the first place was to not include a rather heavy GUI toolkit. Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On Nov 13, 12:41 pm, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/07, Fabio Tonti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Please do. I did and didn't find anything. But everything is in German, so my search wasn't very useful if there is some information in with other things. Might be worth emailing Ring. If it is opensource then perhaps it could be adapted to be used as a windows SAGE gui interface? Hello, I have to agree with Martin on this. I see little advantage in shipping a Qt application with Sage, especially since Qt4 static or dynamic adds easily 10 mb compressed. I have also written similar code (also qt 4.2.3 based) that has the added capability to wrap just about any open source math system text interface and run an arbitrary number of sessions in parallel. That code base is actively maintained (fact is I get paid to do so) and will be release to the public under the GPL in December or so. But: There isn't a reason to optionally have this interface, but the default supported mode of Sage on Windows is the browser interface. There are plenty of open tickets to improve that interface, and a single 1.0.0 release 1.5 years ago doesn't exactly give a lot of confidence. I would be glad if Ring would add a Sage mode and start to improve the software, but that has to happen on his end unless somebody here will step up and help out. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
Hello, I have to agree with Martin on this. I see little advantage in shipping a Qt application with Sage, especially since Qt4 static or dynamic adds easily 10 mb compressed. I have also written similar code (also qt 4.2.3 based) that has the added capability to wrap just about any open source math system text interface and run an arbitrary number of sessions in parallel. That code base is actively maintained (fact is I get paid to do so) and will be release to the public under the GPL in December or so. But: There isn't a reason to optionally have this interface, but the default supported mode of Sage on Windows is the browser interface. There are plenty of open tickets to improve that interface, and a single 1.0.0 release 1.5 years ago doesn't exactly give a lot of confidence. I would be glad if Ring would add a Sage mode and start to improve the software, but that has to happen on his end unless somebody here will step up and help out. I also think only the notebook interface should be the default. Just one way of doing things and doing it well. Everything else optional. Ondrej --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
To really compete with programs like mathematica or matlab, I think sage needs to be able to have interactive applet-like interfaces (e.g. like mathematica's Manipulate). It seems possible and probably most desirable to do this with the notebook and javascript, but to me at least javascript seems clunky and difficult. A cross-platform GUI toolkit like Qt seems like an interesting alternative but I can't see how it would work over the notebook - i.e. it seems like the interfaces would have to be written server-side and compiled and run client-side. If it worked well, it would be worth a larger download in my opinion. Marshall On Nov 13, 9:46 am, Ondrej Certik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have to agree with Martin on this. I see little advantage in shipping a Qt application with Sage, especially since Qt4 static or dynamic adds easily 10 mb compressed. I have also written similar code (also qt 4.2.3 based) that has the added capability to wrap just about any open source math system text interface and run an arbitrary number of sessions in parallel. That code base is actively maintained (fact is I get paid to do so) and will be release to the public under the GPL in December or so. But: There isn't a reason to optionally have this interface, but the default supported mode of Sage on Windows is the browser interface. There are plenty of open tickets to improve that interface, and a single 1.0.0 release 1.5 years ago doesn't exactly give a lot of confidence. I would be glad if Ring would add a Sage mode and start to improve the software, but that has to happen on his end unless somebody here will step up and help out. I also think only the notebook interface should be the default. Just one way of doing things and doing it well. Everything else optional. Ondrej --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On Nov 13, 6:08 pm, mhampton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To really compete with programs like mathematica or matlab, I think sage needs to be able to have interactive applet-like interfaces (e.g. like mathematica's Manipulate). It seems possible and probably most desirable to do this with the notebook and javascript, but to me at least javascript seems clunky and difficult. A cross-platform GUI toolkit like Qt seems like an interesting alternative but I can't see how it would work over the notebook - i.e. it seems like the interfaces would have to be written server-side and compiled and run client-side. If it worked well, it would be worth a larger download in my opinion. Yep, I have discussed this with William in the past and something like what you envision would certainly start its live as an optional download first. Re the interface: You would have to redirect stin, stdout stderr (and maybe have the sage text application emit some sort of signal like done with my computation), and in case you plot something you need to write that to a file locally and read it from the client. There is certainly demand for this kind of application and we could share the load by developing this with CoCoA, Singular, Pari, GAP and so on. Cheers, Michael Marshall On Nov 13, 9:46 am, Ondrej Certik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have to agree with Martin on this. I see little advantage in shipping a Qt application with Sage, especially since Qt4 static or dynamic adds easily 10 mb compressed. I have also written similar code (also qt 4.2.3 based) that has the added capability to wrap just about any open source math system text interface and run an arbitrary number of sessions in parallel. That code base is actively maintained (fact is I get paid to do so) and will be release to the public under the GPL in December or so. But: There isn't a reason to optionally have this interface, but the default supported mode of Sage on Windows is the browser interface. There are plenty of open tickets to improve that interface, and a single 1.0.0 release 1.5 years ago doesn't exactly give a lot of confidence. I would be glad if Ring would add a Sage mode and start to improve the software, but that has to happen on his end unless somebody here will step up and help out. I also think only the notebook interface should be the default. Just one way of doing things and doing it well. Everything else optional. Ondrej --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
On 11/12/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? I also stumbled accross Reinteract, which is similar to the Sage notebook, only it's running on a GUI (Gtk in this case): http://blog.fishsoup.net/2007/11/10/reinteract-better-interactive-python/ didier --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: plotQt.c with Qt 4.3.2 + GUI for pari/gp
The original Webpage says [mathGUIde] ist Freeware und wird mit allen Quellen verbreitet which means that it's freeware and is distributed with all the sources. So it doesn't state any licensing details e.g. whether you may modify the source etc. Maybe I should download it and look into the sourcefiles? There could be some hidden licensing information. Fabio On Nov 13, 2007 3:53 AM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 2:50 AM, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried emailing the author of mathguide several times a few years ago, with no response. Of course, my email was in English, which might have been the problem. In any case, I did not get the impression that it was open source. Either I am wrong or I presume this guy got permission from the mathguide author to distribute a derived work based on his code? It's probably open source I guess, since the web page says (translated) Freeware is and with all sources is spread. Perhaps a German speaker could look at http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde and confirm this. William On Nov 12, 2007 9:33 PM, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM, Téragone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on a GUI for pari/gp. I started with mathGuide from which I removed the Python plugin Wow, thanks for pointing out mathGuide, which I had never heard about before. Since this is in English, I translation of the web page http://www.math.uni-siegen.de/ring/mathGUIde is here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_enurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.math.uni-siegen.de%2Fring%2FmathGUIde%2Findex.html It's interesting how that project is fairly similar to Sage (http://sagemath.org) in many ways. E.g., see this screenshot which looks very much like the screen shot for mathGUIde: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-screenshot.png . I call gp in application mode, not in library mode. I use most of the code of gp.c and I redirect the output to a global string. Maybe not the best way, but it's easy to code and it work. Interestingly the Sage GP GUI also uses GP rather than the PARI C library for the GUI (though Sage also uses PARI). Anyway, here is a screenshot from Sage that actually looks a lot like yours below: http://sagemath.org/screen_shots/.html/sage-pari.png For now, my new code is source compatible only. All the modifications have been include in #ifdef/#endif so the original gp compile and work with no modification. Still many hours before it will work correctly. I use Qt so it must be possible to port it on many OS. I only tested it on Linux. Here a screenshot : http://pages.videotron.com/teragone/gui.png Please, let me know if you have interest for that. I'm excited that there is so much enthusiasm and energy for open source projects / guis, etc., related to mathematical software right now. I wonder if you've solved any problems I don't know how to solve (and conversely) related to such things? -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
