[sage-support] Re: Posting in sage-windows
On Jun 15, 9:32 am, Craig Citro craigci...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies for posting about the sage-windows group within the sage- support group but I posted 3 messages (two replies and a new topic) into sage-windows a couple of weeks back and they're still not showing up in the message lists. And I wasn't sure how else to ask for help in posting there. I'm listed as a member of that group and did get an email notification that some messages had been posted. So do I need to do anything special to post there perhaps? That was my mistake. I'm really sorry for your message not getting posted promptly. It should in the future. And just for the record -- when the behavior on one of the other groups is funky, emailing sage-support isn't a bad idea at all. :) (In this case, it was exactly the right move to fix the problem ... and now several of us can approve messages on sage-windows, meaning it shoudn't happen again.) All sounds good. Many thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Posting in sage-windows
My apologies for posting about the sage-windows group within the sage- support group but I posted 3 messages (two replies and a new topic) into sage-windows a couple of weeks back and they're still not showing up in the message lists. And I wasn't sure how else to ask for help in posting there. I'm listed as a member of that group and did get an email notification that some messages had been posted. So do I need to do anything special to post there perhaps? Thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Folders to organise worksheets
On Jun 4, 9:44 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:36 AM, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: As a set of worksheets grows I feel I need to organise them into my own folder structure. On sagenb I can see Active, Archived and Trash folders for worksheets but can't spot a way to create my own folders or navigate such a folder structure afterwards. Can I do this (and especially - can I do this as an online worksheet user without resorting to to the sage command line) and if so how please? Or should I organise my worksheets in some other way perhaps? Unfortunately, there is currently no support for folders in the Sage notebook. Nobody has had a chance to implement it yet. However, Mike Hansen is currently planning to implement both folders and labels for the Sage notebook in the immediate future. So stay tuned! In the meantime, I tend to put a keyword in the title of a collection of related worksheets, then use the search box in the upper right to view only those worksheets. V helpful. Thanks. William Many thanks for any clues you can give. Kevin -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washingtonhttp://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Folders to organise worksheets
As a set of worksheets grows I feel I need to organise them into my own folder structure. On sagenb I can see Active, Archived and Trash folders for worksheets but can't spot a way to create my own folders or navigate such a folder structure afterwards. Can I do this (and especially - can I do this as an online worksheet user without resorting to to the sage command line) and if so how please? Or should I organise my worksheets in some other way perhaps? Many thanks for any clues you can give. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] How do I run a newly compiled Sage 3.4.2?
After failed attempts to run Sage 3.4.1 from the binary available for VMWare I've compiled Sage v3.4.2 from within VMWare on a Win XP laptop using the following instructions: Login as manage and type sudo su. Then 1. Delete /usr/local/sage: cd /usr/local; rm -rf sage 2. Download sage-3.4.2.tar by typing wget http://sagemath.org/src/sage-3.4.2.tar 3. Extract it, tar xf sage-3.4.2.tar 4. Move it to be /usr/local/sage, and mv sage-3.4.2 sage 5. Build Sage -- this will take a few *hours* (no manual intervention) but will work: cd sage; make. When the compilation completed I immdiately tried sage by guessing that I'd simply type sage at the post-compilation prompt. I managd to run the early tests from the installation guide successfully. This is the first time I've run any part of sage successfully so that's a great milestone passed. I used exit a number of times to the point where I could typ off which closed my VMWare Player. What do I now do to run Sage notebooks from my browser and to run the sage command line please? If I open the VMWare Player the only relevant option I can spot is to re-rerun the sage VMX. This taks me to the Notebook, Manage, Off, Sage menu that I've seen before and is as ineffective; if I type notebook I can't gain acces from my browser. If I login using login/sage and then type sage I get no sage command line. This is presumably because I'm running the faulty vmx that I'm trying to circumvent with my compilation. So: 1) How do I use the VMWare environment to access a browser-based notebook using my new compilation? 2) How do I use the VMWare environment to access the sage comand line using my new compilation? 3) Can I now use my new compilation to run a sage notebook without needing the VMWare Player (that is, directly under Windows XP now)? And if so how? 4) Can I now use my new compilation to run the sage command line without needing the VMWare Player (that is, in Windows XP)? And if so how? In the cases of 3) and 4) above I'm not even sure where the executable and any associated files are in Windows; the obvious searches for .exe files or any sage files created on the day of the compliation seem fruitless. Many thanks for any guidance you can give. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Downloading binaries or source to completion
On May 16, 6:12 pm, Paul Sargent psa...@gmail.com wrote: Adding a -c flag to wget will make it continue an aborted download if the server will let it. It'll probably still fail but at least you can recover. Very helpful. I'll give that a go. Thanks. Kevin On 17 May 2009, at 01:04, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: It took me 6 attempts to retrieve the latest Windows binary from across a number of mirrors and I'm now running into the same problem trying to retrieve the source of 3.4.2 and 3.4.1 using wget ( I don't know how to detect or use mirrors by this method). In all cases the download seems to freeze after various periods of time. Is there any special trick to getting these downloads to complete perhaps or are the mirrors just having a bad week? Is there any specific mirror that people find especially reliable perhaps? Thanks Kevin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Logging in to a browser session
I'm struggling to get sage running on a lan-connected notebook and so have been pointing Firefox at a whole variety of IP addresses, port numbers and http/https combinations to see if I can find anything that will respond. Occasionally attempts to reach IP addresses associated with VMNet8 or VMNet1 will ask me to log in. This made me realise that I don't know whether I will have to log in to a browser page the first time I use my own copy of Sage and, if so, which credentials I should use. I've trioed the login/sage combination and I've tried the Windows credentials but neither works. So will I need to login through Firefox and if so, which credentials should I use please? Thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] When to type notebook and notebook()
I'm using VMWare Player 2.5.2 and Sage 3.4.1 on Win XP Pro on a LAN- connected laptop with no firewall and I've become confused about when, in the startup sequence, I type the notebook and/or the notebook() commands. In the sequence: 1) run the VMWare Player from Windows 2) open the sage_vmx from within the VMWare Player 3) wait until I see a menu of 4 options: notebook, off, manage, sage 4) login to sage by typing login then sage which briengs me to a li...@sage:~$ prompt do I type notebook after step 3 or after step 4? When (and from which prompt or screen) would I use the command notebook()? Thanks for any clues you can give. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Reaching the sage command line
I'm using the VMWare Player v2.5.2 and Sage 3.4.1 on a LAN-connected laptop with no firewall and am confused about how to reach the sage command line. If I run the VMWare Player from Windows, and use it to open sage_vmx I'm offered a menu of 4 choices: notebook, off, manage, sage (which says it's the option to reach the command, as I desire). If I type sage (without using the notebook options first) lots of text scrolls by, I see a brief message about the sage version and typing notebook() to get a GUI, but then I'm returned to the 4 option menu with a login prompt. Attempts to type mathematical expressions are interpreted as attempts to login. If I choose the notebook menu option (which returns me to the 4 option menu again) before typing sage, I get the same effect. So how should I reach the command line please or does any of this signify a prob lem with my set up? many thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Logging in to a browser session
On May 16, 2:58 pm, Serge A. Salamanka salsa-...@tut.by wrote: When you start notebook server from the command line the very first time you get a promt to choose password for admin user. Is the command line you're refering to the login prompt that I see below the menu of 4 options (notebook, off, manage, sage)? If so, when I type notebook at this point I just see lots of text scroll past and eventually I get the same 4 menu options and the same login prompt back. Nothing prompts me for an admin password. Have I misunderstood what you mean or is my implementation behaving oddly perhaps? Thanks Kevin Thus, login as admin Serge kilucas пишет: I'm struggling to get sage running on a lan-connected notebook and so have been pointing Firefox at a whole variety of IP addresses, port numbers and http/https combinations to see if I can find anything that will respond. Occasionally attempts to reach IP addresses associated with VMNet8 or VMNet1 will ask me to log in. This made me realise that I don't know whether I will have to log in to a browser page the first time I use my own copy of Sage and, if so, which credentials I should use. I've trioed the login/sage combination and I've tried the Windows credentials but neither works. So will I need to login through Firefox and if so, which credentials should I use please? Thanks Kevin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Multi-user server on Windows
On May 12, 3:35 pm, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: On May 12, 2:52 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: Marik Thanks for the reminder and I had indeed spotted these threads. I'm guessing that I'd run the Sage server under VMWare primarily just to get it to run on Windows and that I'd then get the security benefits as side-effects. That's correct. But these are all guesses which is why I'm very interested to check what I should really be doing in a Windows environment formulti-user access. Are you running multiple separate notebooks (e.g., one each for different sets of users) or are you running just one notebook? I don't know yet - I'm not advanced enough yet to have thought of the question - thanks for posing it. I want to play with Sage to understand what questions arise and I know I can do this on the Sagenb site or on a standalone, single user copy. But I'd ideally like to install it as amulti-user facility so that I'm trying out my options (and any limitations) in that environment. How much do you trust your users? (e.g., do you expect some to try to break into things and use the server to email spam or whatever?) I don't expect this much because I'd expect to make access available only to registered users. However, access would be over the Internet rather than a private network. One target audience is school (rather than college/university) pupils. I'd expect them to get lots of things wrong but I think the likelihood of deliberate damage is low (though not zero). The easiest way to set up amulti-user server is to just get the vmware version of Sage running, start sage, and then use the notebook() command. At the sage prompt, type notebook? to read the help. This sounda a bit like something I'd do when sitting at the server rather than when sitting at a remote web browser. Or am I wrong? For example, I access Sagenb via a browser and hence a URL, rather than via VMWare (even though I get the impression that Sagenb is underpinned by VMWare - can't recall where I read that).. In particular, you'll probably want to read about the accounts, address, and secure options. Will do. Many thanks Jason I couldn't find any way to run notebook? from any of the prompts I can reach so far. Or any of the commands it describes like notebook (), notebook(require_login=False) etc. This may be because my implementation is incompatible with my CPU but there's still a big hole in my understanding here. The only place I've managed to run all these commands is in a worksheet on www.sagenb.org. But that is in an environment that's already started up whereas presumably I need to be able to run a command like these in order to effect that startup. So at which stage of the startup sequence should I be able to type these commands please? As you suggested, there are commands here that implement some of the things I've been asking about so your guidance has been very informative. But obviously I can only act on what I've learned if I can work out when to run them. Thanks for any guidance you can give. Kevin Jason Thanks Kevin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Logging in to a browser session
Thanks Serge. I think my problem lies in finding or recognising the right kind of command line. I actually tried notebook() in a worksheet on www.sagenb.org and that did indeed ask for an admin password as you suggest. But I can't find any way to run the same command in my VMWare envioronment. I've asked about how to find this command line in another thread so let's see if that enquiry proves fruitful. Many thanks Kevin On May 16, 7:45 pm, Serge A. Salamanka salsa-...@tut.by wrote: You've got to have access to the command line. The way I start notebook server: I call sage from command line. then under sage promt I type: notebook() It then creates user admin and promts for the password. that is it. But it is an ordinary linux way. I don't know your situation and I haven't dealt with VM images. #Serge kilucas пишет: On May 16, 2:58 pm, Serge A. Salamanka salsa-...@tut.by wrote: When you start notebook server from the command line the very first time you get a promt to choose password for admin user. Is the command line you're refering to the login prompt that I see below the menu of 4 options (notebook, off, manage, sage)? If so, when I type notebook at this point I just see lots of text scroll past and eventually I get the same 4 menu options and the same login prompt back. Nothing prompts me for an admin password. Have I misunderstood what you mean or is my implementation behaving oddly perhaps? Thanks Kevin Thus, login as admin Serge kilucas пишет: I'm struggling to get sage running on a lan-connected notebook and so have been pointing Firefox at a whole variety of IP addresses, port numbers and http/https combinations to see if I can find anything that will respond. Occasionally attempts to reach IP addresses associated with VMNet8 or VMNet1 will ask me to log in. This made me realise that I don't know whether I will have to log in to a browser page the first time I use my own copy of Sage and, if so, which credentials I should use. I've trioed the login/sage combination and I've tried the Windows credentials but neither works. So will I need to login through Firefox and if so, which credentials should I use please? Thanks Kevin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] What's the best way to check binary compatibility?
It's beginning to look as if I've been trying to fix a sage implementation on a PC with a CPU that's incompatible with the VMWare binary of 3.4.1. But it's taken quite a bit of time to reach that conclusion (including that of kind folk on this forum). If I'm to try to implement sage on another PC I'd like to avoid going through the same set of challenges only to reach the same point so is there anything I can do in advance to assess compatibility or do I just have to try each PC in turn? I also had it in mind to use sage across a set of pupil PCs but that won't work well if many (maybe even any) of them fall foul of compatibility too. So is there any CPU spec that PCs must meet to work with the binaries so, just like working out whether I could upgrade an operating system in advance of trying it, I can adopt sage and install it with confidence (or give up and use something else)? (I know I can theoreticcaly install a single instance of sage that pupils can use over the Internet but my attempt to install that didn't just fail but was disastrous. My Windows environment demands the VMWare Player which crashed my server and disturbed my firewall so that no reliable internet connection was possible. I ended up reinstalling the firewall and spending days trying to get its settings back to their previous state which had been finely tuned over 3 years to accomodate a wide range of products. While the failure was caused by VMWare and not Sage, the number of components to a sage installation introduces more potential points of failure than a single, installed application. And once again it was an example of an inconvenient incompatibility, hence my desire to understand as much as I can about compatibility issues in advance of an installation). Thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Reaching the sage command line
On May 16, 8:04 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: On May 16, 2:32 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:01 AM, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: I'm using the VMWare Player v2.5.2 and Sage 3.4.1 on a LAN-connected laptop with no firewall and am confused about how to reach the sage command line. If I run the VMWare Player from Windows, and use it to open sage_vmx I'm offered a menu of 4 choices: notebook, off, manage, sage (which says it's the option to reach the command, as I desire). If I type sage (without using the notebook options first) lots of text scrolls by, I see a brief message about the sage version and typing notebook() to get a GUI, but then I'm returned to the 4 option menu with a login prompt. Attempts to type mathematical expressions are interpreted as attempts to login. If I choose the notebook menu option (which returns me to the 4 option menu again) before typing sage, I get the same effect. So how should I reach the command line please or does any of this signify a prob lem with my set up? The Sage binary evidently doesn't work at all on your computer, perhaps because it may be built with optimizations that your computer's CPU doesn't provide. If you do: login: login then type sage at the prompt, you'll probably get an error message, and if you read it, then it will probably explain that the Sage binary is too optimized for your computers architecture. You'll have to wait until we produce a less optimized binary (it's on the todo list), or you'll have to build one yourself for now. Alternatively of course, you can always usehttp://sagenb.org. William Thanks for the guidance - I'm certainly beginning to wonder if some combination of my implemenattion, sage and my brain is incompatible here ;-) Just before I give up can I just check I'm trying your experiment above correctly. When you say login: login is that the same as typing login at the sage login: prompt below the 4 menu options (notebook, off, manage, sage)? And when you say to type sage at the prompt, I've presumed you mean that I type sage in response to the subsequent password request. Is that correct? If I do this I don't get the compatibility warning that you mention. Instead I get: A line begining Linux sage 2.6.17-12-386 ... A paragraph about programs in Ubuntu being free software. A reminder there is absoluetly no warranty A prompt that says lo...@sage :~$ Type sage at the $ prompt, e.g., lo...@sage :~$ sage William Very helpful. I then get the sage 3.4.1 release date etc header folloowed by the following message before being returned to the lo...@sage :~$ prompt /usr/local/sage/local/bin/sage-sage: line 198 3515 Illegal instructionsage-ipython $@ -i Is this sage's way of confirming your suspicion that my binary is incompatible with my CPU? Or is there more hope here and there's something I can do to circumvent this error. Thanks Kevin Wiliam- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Windows and VMWare networking for Sage
Having read a lot of posts about how the networking side of VMWare and Sage should be set up I confess I'm quite confused - and still haven't managed to get Sage running. So I wondered if I could get a few initial questions out of the way and then ask how the networking should look for the three scenarios in which I envisage using Sage. First, some background questions: 1) When I open the VMWare Player and open the Sage_vmx within it and then run the notebook command, I see lots of text scroll by including a statement that I should open Firefox at a specific address. Yet most (though not all) references I see to using sage refer to pointing my browser at http://localhost:8000. So: 1.1) Do I always ignore the IP address and use the localhost address? 1.2) If I use the IP address do I still have to qualify it with port 8000? 1.3) And I don't get long to write the IP address down. How can I find it once it's disappeared from the screen? 1.4) Do I run Firefox from Windows or inside the VMWare Player? (I'd presumed the former but, as I can't get it to work, I thought it bright to ask) 2) How do I know when to use an https://... URL? 3) If I want to use secure communications via an https://... URL how do I set this up or is it in place automatically? And now for my three scenarios. I envisage using Sage: - on a standalone laptop, connected to no network - on a LAN PC (such as the above laptop subsequently connected to the netowrk by a wire or wirelessly) - on a server accessible from the Internet to permit multiple remote users access to Sage. In each of these scenarios in turn: 4) do I use the bridged, NAT or host-only network setting using the VMWare Player GUI? 5) Does it matter whether I use the Devices menu that appears once the Sage_vmx has been opened or via an icon at the foot of the GUI when I want to change betwen these networking types? 6) which of VMNet0, VMNet1 and VMNet8 does this network setting apply to when I look at them in vmconfig.exe (or is the setting effectively a choice between these three)? 7) if bridging is used, does this imply I must check that both ends of the bridge are somehow set correctly? And if so, what should they be set to and how would I check them? 8) Do I ever need to log in to Sage at the Sage login prompt after running the notebook command if I'm only trying to run Sage ina browser in all three of these scenarios? 9) Is there a way of telling when I've already run the notebook command so that I don't run it again? For the standaolne and LAN-connected sceanrios above I'm using VMWare Player v2.5.2 and Sage 3.4.1 on a Windows XP Pro laptop wirelessly connected to a LAN with no firewall on the laptop (but a firewall protecting the LAN exit to the Internet but that's on another box). I've given up trying the multi-access server for now and the spec for that machine may yet change. So let's assume at present that I'd try to set scenario 3 up on a laptop with the same spec. Sorry for the long list but I'm very confused and quite a lot of the postings here suggest some of the settings are trivially created or detected but my unfamiliarity with VMWare and Linux (once I get inside VMWare) is puzzling the heck out of me. Maybe this is a chance to pull this networking information into one place. Or is it already located somewhere and I've yet to find it? My apoloigies if it is. Thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Multi-user server on Windows
On May 12, 6:50 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: On May 12, 5:14 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: snip I hadn't thought about multiple v single notebook architectures and will think harder about that now. Or what I would do in your place is just use one notebook for now, and worry about trying to set up multiple notebooks later if you want it. It's trivial to start up multiple notebook instances once you have one working. V helpful. Thanks. So do I just set up the server by following the single user installation instructions plus your tips on security, and then find a URL that provides remote access to that server? (And if so, what would that URL look like?) There is one setting that you need to change on the vmware server to allow outside network access (someone else will have to chime in here; I don't know the setting). I believe you need to change the networking to be bridged networking. Then you need to work with your network administrator about the URL to use to access the server. I'll go in search of this setting. Effectively I am the administrator here (not that I'm a professional techie) so I know the external URL to the current web server that's running on my Windows server but I don't know how I'd adjust this to find Sage. Maybe that'll become obvious but if anyone knows what shape the URL should take, I'd be interested to hear. I'm not even clear at this stage which web server (my existing server or one supplied by Sage) will apply. The vmware sage server will have its own IP address, and thus its own hostname and URL. Sage includes a webserver that will run over the vmware network address; that is the webserver you would use (not the one on the host computer). If you change the networking to bridged networking, start up the vmware server, then start up sage, you can get the hostname by doing: sage: import socket sage: socket.getfqdn() 'good' (fqdn stands for fully qualified domain name) Can I just clarify at what point I run this please? (I'm not quite sure when I've started sage and when I haven't) - If I run it after starting the VMWare Player and the sage_vmx so I'm, at the Sage Login prompt then I'm told that I'm logging in incorrectly when I try the import socket command. - If I start the VMWare Player, open the sage_vmx and run the notebook command first, and then try the above commands, I'm still told I'm logging in incorrectly. - If I start the VMWare Player, open the sage_vmx, login to sage (whether I run the notebook command first or not), the import socket command is greeted with import: unable to open X server followed by two single quotes In all these cases the networking was nominated as bridged before opening the VMWare Player. At present I can't tell if I'm doing this at the wrong poin t in the starting and logging in sequence or whether I'm doing it at the right time but something's not working as planned. S I hope you might be able to clarify for me. Thanks Kevin Or is there more to it than that to drive multiple users from a Windows-based server? I ask because the linux instructions for setting up a multi-user environment looked different from the instructions for a single user and so I was guessing that the Windows set up would also be different. What instructions are you referring to? The linux instructions should work, except that you'll also have to change the vmware networking to bridged networking (I believe). I'm using the pdf version of the Sept 17 2008 installation instrcutions. The contents page of this document shows: 1 Introduction 2 Pre-built Binary Install 2.1 Linux and OS X 2.2 Microsoft Windows 3 Install from Source Code 3.1 Steps to Install from Source 3.2 Installation in a Multiuser Environment System-wide install 3.3 Special Notes 4 Running the SAGE Notebook Securely 5 Desktop icon 6 The Sage Documentation You can see that 3.2 installation in a multi-user environment is covered only in the 3 installation from source code section. This implies that it's achieved through a source code install rather than a binary install. And, when you look at 3.2, you find it's all about Linux anyway. Hence my puzzle about how to set up a multi-user environemnt under Windows. That section is for installing Sage on a computer that has multiple users so that they can all use sage from the command line, not for setting up sage to be a notebook server for multiple users. That section does not apply to your situation. I can see the confusion from the name, though. Jason- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage
[sage-support] Re: VMWare Player versions for Sage 3.4.1
On May 14, 10:43 am, Alberto vand...@gmail.com wrote: 2.5.1 for sure that work. I has using 2.5.2 (that works fine with sage 3.2.2) but it seems to keep sage 3.4.1 in a continuous loop when entering notebook option. Interesting. I'll lok out for that when I get that far! Have you check if during instalation the authorizations to wmware networks adapters in the windows firewall? I wasn't asked for any authorizations by VMWare during the installation which actually asks me very little indeed - just about where I want the installation and what menu start/desktop menu options I want. I was asked by ZoneAlarm which is my firewall as you indicate. This detected two new networks, both of which I said I trusted. I get no firewall notifications when I actually try to start the VMWare player and even tried to start it with the firewall switched off but it still forced my PC to reboot. I did get a tray icon indicating VMNet was trying to acquire a network address for about 10 minutes after I'd done the requested post- installation restart. Then the icon went away. I've used the same installation file on an alternative WinXP PC and that doesn't crash windows (and didn't generate the network acquisition icon). This PC does not run ZoneAlarm so maybe there's a challenge with ZA. I've posted my problems on the VMWare forum for the Player and may learn more through them too. But meanwhile I wondered if a change of Player version might help. Given your comment above I may try v 2.5.1. Thanks On May 13, 9:18 pm, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: I've had two attempts at installing the VMWare Player v2.5.2 on a Windows XP Pro PC. Both times the Player will not start correctly - it crashes Windows almost immediately the player has started. So I'm not even getting as far as starting Sage. So I'm tempted to try earlier versions of the VMWare Player but wasn't sure which I'd need for Sage 3.4.1. Options seem to include VMWare Player 2.5.1, 2.5.0 and then 2.0.5 and earlier. Can anyone say which versions of the Player should be compatible with Sage 3.4.1 please? Many thanks for your help. Kevin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Sage inside MediaWiki
On May 12, 11:07 pm, mabshoff michael.absh...@mathematik.uni- dortmund.de wrote: On May 12, 3:05 pm, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: On May 12, 8:39 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Conversely, I've also since spotted reference to MoinMoin within Sage. I've not yet explored what benefits this might confer but, once I know, I might then be interested to know if I could easily replace MoinMoin by MediaWiki in that context too. Sage doesn't work as an extension of MoinMoin, it just provides the bits and pieces to run MoinMoin from within Sage. Sorry. Cheers, Michael Thanks MIchael I'm installing Sage now and so should have a chance to explore how MoinMoin applies in a Sage environment a little further shortly too. All the best Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] VMWare Player versions for Sage 3.4.1
I've had two attempts at installing the VMWare Player v2.5.2 on a Windows XP Pro PC. Both times the Player will not start correctly - it crashes Windows almost immediately the player has started. So I'm not even getting as far as starting Sage. So I'm tempted to try earlier versions of the VMWare Player but wasn't sure which I'd need for Sage 3.4.1. Options seem to include VMWare Player 2.5.1, 2.5.0 and then 2.0.5 and earlier. Can anyone say which versions of the Player should be compatible with Sage 3.4.1 please? Many thanks for your help. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Sage inside Alfresco
Does anyone know where I might find any guidance on using Sage within Alfresco perhaps? Or of examples that I could study? Many thanks Kevin Lucas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Multi-user server on Windows
On May 12, 5:14 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: snip I hadn't thought about multiple v single notebook architectures and will think harder about that now. Or what I would do in your place is just use one notebook for now, and worry about trying to set up multiple notebooks later if you want it. It's trivial to start up multiple notebook instances once you have one working. V helpful. Thanks. So do I just set up the server by following the single user installation instructions plus your tips on security, and then find a URL that provides remote access to that server? (And if so, what would that URL look like?) There is one setting that you need to change on the vmware server to allow outside network access (someone else will have to chime in here; I don't know the setting). I believe you need to change the networking to be bridged networking. Then you need to work with your network administrator about the URL to use to access the server. I'll go in search of this setting. Effectively I am the administrator here (not that I'm a professional techie) so I know the external URL to the current web server that's running on my Windows server but I don't know how I'd adjust this to find Sage. Maybe that'll become obvious but if anyone knows what shape the URL should take, I'd be interested to hear. I'm not even clear at this stage which web server (my existing server or one supplied by Sage) will apply. Or is there more to it than that to drive multiple users from a Windows-based server? I ask because the linux instructions for setting up a multi-user environment looked different from the instructions for a single user and so I was guessing that the Windows set up would also be different. What instructions are you referring to? The linux instructions should work, except that you'll also have to change the vmware networking to bridged networking (I believe). I'm using the pdf version of the Sept 17 2008 installation instrcutions. The contents page of this document shows: 1 Introduction 2 Pre-built Binary Install 2.1 Linux and OS X 2.2 Microsoft Windows 3 Install from Source Code 3.1 Steps to Install from Source 3.2 Installation in a Multiuser Environment System-wide install 3.3 Special Notes 4 Running the SAGE Notebook Securely 5 Desktop icon 6 The Sage Documentation You can see that 3.2 installation in a multi-user environment is covered only in the 3 installation from source code section. This implies that it's achieved through a source code install rather than a binary install. And, when you look at 3.2, you find it's all about Linux anyway. Hence my puzzle about how to set up a multi-user environemnt under Windows. Jason As ever, thanks very much for your help. Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Multi-user server on Windows
On May 12, 6:50 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: On May 12, 5:14 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: kilucas wrote: snip I hadn't thought about multiple v single notebook architectures and will think harder about that now. Or what I would do in your place is just use one notebook for now, and worry about trying to set up multiple notebooks later if you want it. It's trivial to start up multiple notebook instances once you have one working. V helpful. Thanks. So do I just set up the server by following the single user installation instructions plus your tips on security, and then find a URL that provides remote access to that server? (And if so, what would that URL look like?) There is one setting that you need to change on the vmware server to allow outside network access (someone else will have to chime in here; I don't know the setting). I believe you need to change the networking to be bridged networking. Then you need to work with your network administrator about the URL to use to access the server. I'll go in search of this setting. Effectively I am the administrator here (not that I'm a professional techie) so I know the external URL to the current web server that's running on my Windows server but I don't know how I'd adjust this to find Sage. Maybe that'll become obvious but if anyone knows what shape the URL should take, I'd be interested to hear. I'm not even clear at this stage which web server (my existing server or one supplied by Sage) will apply. The vmware sage server will have its own IP address, and thus its own hostname and URL. Sage includes a webserver that will run over the vmware network address; that is the webserver you would use (not the one on the host computer). If you change the networking to bridged networking, start up the vmware server, then start up sage, you can get the hostname by doing: sage: import socket sage: socket.getfqdn() 'good' (fqdn stands for fully qualified domain name) V helpful. Time to give this a try, I think. Or is there more to it than that to drive multiple users from a Windows-based server? I ask because the linux instructions for setting up a multi-user environment looked different from the instructions for a single user and so I was guessing that the Windows set up would also be different. What instructions are you referring to? The linux instructions should work, except that you'll also have to change the vmware networking to bridged networking (I believe). I'm using the pdf version of the Sept 17 2008 installation instrcutions. The contents page of this document shows: 1 Introduction 2 Pre-built Binary Install 2.1 Linux and OS X 2.2 Microsoft Windows 3 Install from Source Code 3.1 Steps to Install from Source 3.2 Installation in a Multiuser Environment System-wide install 3.3 Special Notes 4 Running the SAGE Notebook Securely 5 Desktop icon 6 The Sage Documentation You can see that 3.2 installation in a multi-user environment is covered only in the 3 installation from source code section. This implies that it's achieved through a source code install rather than a binary install. And, when you look at 3.2, you find it's all about Linux anyway. Hence my puzzle about how to set up a multi-user environemnt under Windows. That section is for installing Sage on a computer that has multiple users so that they can all use sage from the command line, not for setting up sage to be a notebook server for multiple users. That section does not apply to your situation. I can see the confusion from the name, though. Ah! I've been fretting about the wrong part of the instructions then. But I've learned a lot in the process. For which, many thanks indeed. Time to install! Jason- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Sage inside Alfresco
On May 12, 8:21 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Could please explain your idea more clearly? Based only onhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfresco_(software), I'm not sure that you mean by using Sage within On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:56 AM, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: Does anyone know where I might find any guidance on using Sage within Alfresco perhaps? Or of examples that I could study? I had in mind that I could invoke fixed mathematical content as well as calculable content from Sage in Alfresco pages. For example, Alfresco supports projects and project teams. So I wondered if Sage could provide mathematical support to teams working on scientific or mathematical projects. I've seen some recent discussion of embeding Sage elements in html pages so I planned to explore whether that method could be used. And I've seen some references to Sage integration with Moodle so I'll check that too. The only other integration aspect I had in mind was common login credentials but that's only worth exploring if I can get the first idea to work. So I wondered if anyone else had seen any integration between Sage and Alfresco Thanks Kevin . Many thanks Kevin Lucas- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Sage inside MediaWiki
On May 12, 8:39 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give an example of what you mean? For instance, you are typing in a wiki and maybe you want it to call Sage and execute some Sage commands in the wiki code? Yes. Currently I use the math facility in MediaWiki which uses Latex- like statements to create fixed mathematical statements. But this has no calculation capability and I'd be interested to add one to standard MediaWiki pages. I'm also likely to add a discussion forum capability to MediaWiki and I think this will use standard MediaWiki editing facilities to generate discussion postings. If so, and if MediaWiki can invoke Sage output and calculation capabilities, then it might allow discusiion posters to embed Sage output and calculations in their posts. I've seen some recent discussion of embeding Sage elements in html pages so I planned to explore whether that method could be used. And I've seen some references to Sage integration with Moodle so I'll check that too. Conversely, I've also since spotted reference to MoinMoin within Sage. I've not yet explored what benefits this might confer but, once I know, I might then be interested to know if I could easily replace MoinMoin by MediaWiki in that context too. I have MoinMoin already but most of my content is going into a MediaWiki implementation for now. The only other integration aspect I had in mind was common login credentials but that's only worth exploring if I can get the Sage in MediaWiki idea to work first. So I wondered if anyone else had seen any integration between Sage and MediaWiki - either Sage in MediaWiki or MediaWiki in lieu of MoinMoin in Sage. Thanks Kevin On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM, kilucas kevin.lu...@concave.co.uk wrote: Does anyone know where I might find any guidance on using Sage within a MediaWiki environment perhaps? Or of examples that I could study? Many thanks Kevin Lucas- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
