Re: My take on the SAM Scene
Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) > > Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" > > Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. I don't know what policenauts is?
Re: My take on the SAM Scene
Martin Wilson wrote: > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: < -- Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage -- > < http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \-- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' --/
Re: Funny Thing
From: Martin Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > just ignore it"no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything > - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light > to dark give it a few weeks... :o) > > ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had > happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. You might also want to take beta-carotine and Vitamin D & E supplements for a while... they'll improve your night vision (or rather, your eyes ability to adapt to differing light levels), and that should help get rid of the effects you're seeing :) Si
Re: Funny Thing
Hullo... Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > > directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them > > glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still > > staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that > > the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves > > in front of my eyes. > > 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was > younger... didn't affect me at all. Yeh... I said that to me mum and she was all like "noo noo noo, if you look at it you'll go blind straight away." blah blah blah Clearly I had not, so it wasn't true. > ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... I think that was kinda the point really... I'd been looking through the glasses so it was all dark & then I took em off and *flash* ouch.. oh buggery etc. etc. Its actually not entirely better yet, but when I went to the opticians today he said "oh, hmm, quite normal really... just ignore it"no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light to dark give it a few weeks... :o) ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. Martin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert
Re: My take on the SAM Scene
> Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of > Persia > simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games > got > re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got > shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a > few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? > > An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny > out > of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few > copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner > and > you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably > non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. > > Nick I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) and therefore can't actually see Sam games being worth much at all now. Back when I first got my Sam it was competing quite reasonably with the scene at the time which was ST, Amiga, Specturm, CPC, C64 and perhaps Sega Master System but now it obviously doesn't compete. I know people will shoot me down in flames for this but I dont' think Sam games have any real commercial value now. I mean some of those Sega Master System games cost a good fraction of a million to develop but the Master system is a completely dead format now. Take the ST scene, this is almost completely dead too but ST commercial games are available easily over the internet. Perhaps we ought to compile a list of all the stuff we each have and then start making dsk files from them making sure we are not duplicating our efforts. I'm sure I can get a good fast ftp UK site with enough capacity for all of it. A friend works at ukonline and I won't have any problem getting space there. UkOnline is part of Easynet and they have some damn fast servers. Perhaps I can sort it so about six of us have full access to upload to the site and we can share maintenance and credit for it. Once we've sorted out the uploading we can start giving it a nice html front end.
Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
From: Si Owen: >Good luck with your new list Thank you. > I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. No problem! I'm not ordering people to. If people are intrested they will subscribe, if they aren't then that's fine too - it's there decision entirely. Colin P.
Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
From: Justin Skists : >Where on earth do you find time for it all? Well, I try to do a bit of Sam work every day! Depends what I'm working on - when I was writing Stratosphere I'd spend whole days on it at a time, especially when optimising it all. Colin P.
Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
From: Si Owen >Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is >without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list >isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come >through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list >alive! Is there anything wrong with another list? I'm not trying to split it, just offering another channel for more serious discussion. The same negativity is being shown here just like when Gavin Smith first announced his Sam-Community idea, which was nearly scrapped due to the responces here. But the Sam-Community is active - well done to Gavin! >Are you discriminating against emulation Emulation, I feel, will attract more people to the Sam, but I cannot see many emulator users rushing out to buy a Sam, or to buy software for it - more just leeching it off the web whenever something appears - take the N64 emulators that have appeared this year for the PC - all that created was a plethora of sites with pirate ROM images to feed the hungrey masses. Also, you have to remember there the majority of Sam users do not have access to the net, so a consise archive may form included on disks for them to read, and even comment on. Colin P.
Re: My take on the SAM Scene
From: Johnna Teare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: >> * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? >> * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on >> a compilation or separately. >Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great >demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and >ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still >want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software >sales, then this is the way forward. Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of Persia simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games got re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny out of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner and you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. Nick
Re: SAM Downloads
On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:13:43PM +0100, Johnna Teare wrote: > As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I > typed in as my user name would become part of my email address > AND website address. Now I can't believe that. Although it is almost a year (gosh) since I got my freeserve account I seem to remember the procedure being very clear. imc
Re: SAM Downloads
On 16 Aug 99, at 22:32, Gasson wrote: > BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of > a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I typed in as my user name would become part of my email address AND website address. Boy do I regret it now! But its my own fault for being thick I suppose! > > -- > James Gasson > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..."
Re: SAM Downloads
Johnna Teare wrote: >>> The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that >>> they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. Martin Wilson wrote: >> I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines >> tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must >> admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the >> internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Johnna Teare wrote: > Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up > there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for > their removal? (...) It may well be better for everyone if this was done, but I strongly believe that people should have the right to choose to do things that are not in their best interests, or anyone elses. This is the foundation of a liberal democracy and capatilist society. ;-) Perhaps if someone were to set up a tidy web site with a catalogue of known Sam games (a picture of the box a breif description, etc.), then wrote a nice letter to the copyright holders... The distributable games could have a little note saying "Generously made available by (Author's name) and the kind people at (...) Software. To have a look at some of their new work, check out the site: (...)". BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p -- James Gasson
Re: My take on the SAM Scene
On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: > * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? > Even if we knew the figures - which we are never likely to find out - the real question should be how many new SAMs are being sold to _new users_ each month? I'd hazard that most of the new machines sold are bought by people replacing their old ones. How on earth are we to expect new users to come to the machine when there is no publicity for it? There is no excuse for whoever holds the rights to the production of the SAM (Bob I think?) not to have website at the very least with the latest prices etc. I'm sure there would be loads of people ready to help him put one up there - I would be one. And what better way to put the word around about the SAM than by getting a decent emulator like SIMCoupe freely distributed among the PC world. The same kind of thing worked for the C64 and Speccy - people are actively huntuing down the orignial machines to run the software on. > If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time > to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with > SimCoupe. It would surprise me if there have been more than ten sold in the last year. > * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? > * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on > a compilation or separately. Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software sales, then this is the way forward. If not, let's get some stuff up on the FTP site. Hats off to Bob for getting the ball rolling with Outwrite - the best word processor the SAM has seen. I'm not sure how to get stuff onto the FTP - which was decided as the best format? Meanwhile, if anybody would like to help me get a SAM website cobbled together similar to World Of Spectrum then please private mail me - I'll be after screenshots, articles, reviews, links etc. But it's all got to be brand new stuff. I'm only starting on the idea now, and like everything I do it will probably take forever to get to completion, but I'd like to see the whole thing up to celebrate Happy 10th Birthday for Mr Coupe. Let me know. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..."
FTP Site
If we are going to start putting new stuff up on the FTP site, could we not make it so that we can track who has downloaded what so that, if the author of the particular item wanted to contact the owners of teh software via email to perhaps offer upgrades, sell manuals, offer other deals etc. he / she could? At least then the people who brought us the software would have a chance of recouping some money? Is this kind of thing possible? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..."
RE: Why did I leave this list?
[snipped a load of stuff] Isn't this just creating more of a rift between everyone? Now Bob/Samsboss/B-Ritman have disappeared, do we all still have unused "anger" left over to attack each other instead? Peace men (and any women, if they are on-line)... Justin PS. Has anyone noticed the other Y2K bug? (Which will have nothing to do with adding machines blinking out or sad pimply-faced boys crying over the disappearence of Lara Croft...)
Re: Why did I leave this list?
On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 09:04:50PM +0100, David L wrote: > Which is one of the reasons I left the list - just too much innane crap [>]which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many people who are too ready to [>]jump in with snidey attitudes with no reason. A general observation: this is not a high volume list - 1200 messages since March making an average of 8.4 per day (or 20kB per day). If anyone here doesn't like irrelevant postings then press your 'delete' button - it won't wear out if you only have to press it 8 times a day. If *everyone* here didn't like irrelevant postings then there wouldn't be any because no one would post them! If Colin succeeds in his venture then all he is going to do is remove Sam content from this list, making it even more full of irrelevant postings. > Anyway, best of luck on the new list... I'll be one of the first on it! I hope you and Colin have a nice chat together... (o: imc
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Justin Skists napisał(a): > English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... > But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... mea culpa... bad "To:" field :-( > Justin. Tom
Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
Colin Piggot wrote: > so I have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list alive! > This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and > Developers alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at > http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ for information. The web page also says: "This list is for REAL people who use REAL Sam computers" and "No emulation. As stated above this is for users of real Sams". So, does this also exclude REAL users who develop REAL SAM software on the emulator? Since this REAL software can also be run on a REAL SAM and would benefit other REAL users. Are you discriminating against emulation because you feel it's a threat to the Quazar (like Dave L does with the hardware he's involved with) and/or it can't be used with the emulator? Good luck with your new list - I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. > ++---+ > | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/| | | | | / | | |\ | > || / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | > | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | > | Software for the Sam | | > ++---+ Your new list may allow large sigs, but I believe this one has a limit of 4 lines ;-) Si
Re: Re Sam User Group + Downloads
From: Robert Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just >as long as I retain copyright. >Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do >I go about >it. >I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > >Bob Wilkinson. FAN-TASTIC! This should set a good example to the rest of us, and should be welcomed. Outwrite was a great product - I remember getting version 1 of it so many years ago (along with the slow, noisy, messy 9-pin dot matrix printer from SAMCo). So how about anyone else? Nick
RE: Re Sam User Group + Downloads
Oooh... I'd be interested in downloading Outwrite. Since it now seems like it'll be many many moons (darn it!) before I get around to buying a PC, I'm going to need a word-processor type thing for the SAM... Justin. > -Original Message- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:22 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Re Sam User Group + Downloads > > From R Wilkinson. > > If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. > > People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and > end-all. > > This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. > > If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough > material > to go round. > > ... > > RE Downloads > > > I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it > just > as long as I retain copyright. > Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how > do > I go about > it. > I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > > Bob Wilkinson. > >
RE: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
Where on earth do you find time for it all? I finally find some time, switch on my SAM, load up my CP/M disks ready to write my MIDI-Kern, try to decide where to begin, search for ages for my development notes, fail to find my development notes (due to the fact they were in a red folder hiding under my bed that I didn't find til I cleaned up the place) and then go "Sod it! Where's my 'Teach Yourself Finnish' kit?" (Even that seems a waste of time at the moment...) Justin. > -Original Message- > From: Colin Piggot [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Going back to the Sam itself, I develop and release software for the Sam > every > month (Soundbyte is now on issue 51 at time of writing!), and several > other > full titles > are in development. >
Re Sam User Group + Downloads
>From R Wilkinson. If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and end-all. This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough material to go round. ... RE Downloads I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just as long as I retain copyright. Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do I go about it. I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. Bob Wilkinson.
My take on the SAM Scene
The SAM isn't dead. Not in the technical sense anyway - people are still developing for it, albeit on a VERY small scale. But there are some basic facts we should all be told: * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with SimCoupe. * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on a compilation or separately. Single figure sales and no commitment to rereleasing or compilations means that these titles are not marketable anymore, so is there any good reason for not putting them onto an FTP site? There are plenty of parallels with today's Spectrum scene - there's about the same amount of support (hardware and software) for the Spectrum today as for the SAM, yet there's a thriving emulation scene. The World of Spectrum website has been actively hunting around for permissions from game writers and old publishers, and when contact has been made, the response has usually been very positive (the same can be said about my YS Rock'n'Roll Years website - the people involved are usually quite honoured to have their work remembered with fondness). Emulation is welcomed in the Speccy scene (for non-new games), why not the SAM? Is there any money being made by programmers anymore? Is Chris White still getting any royalties from Prince of Persia or Lemmings? Is Rob Holman getting any royalties from any more sales of the first few SAM games? Would the authors of any SAM games not getting any more royalties please stand up? Would YOU mind your games being made available on an FTP site? IMHO any game that's not being sold in higher quantities than single figures a month should be considered fair game in the emulation scene. Nick
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English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... Justin. > -Original Message- > From: Tomasz Pudlo [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:06 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: > > Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomość jest pusta > > > Subject: > Date: > Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) > From: > Jarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: > sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >To: > unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) > > proszę o więcej :-) > > pozdrawiam > Tomek
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Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomość jest pusta > Subject: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) proszę o więcej :-) pozdrawiam Tomek
SAM Downloads
On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > > I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines > tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must > admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the > internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for their removal? Does anybody know what kind of copyright _actually_ exists on teh SAMCo / Revelation titles? There were loads of stories from various sources saying they were entitled to sell them, but did the copyright to such games actually ever leave the hands of the receivers? It certainly didnt regarding production of the machine... And if Speccy Defenders Of The Earth / Pipemania / Famous Five etc. are up on the ftp site, what is the problem with the SAM versions going up there? They have no commercial value anymore - I doubt very much they would take away sales from new SAM games because they would only be accessible to PC / Mac owners who would, I imagine, sooner spend a fiver on a Sold Out rereleased game such as Unreal than spend upwards of 15 quid on a game for their SAM's. The real SAM users, the ones who still use their computers as their main machines, will not be able to get hold of the games and so will still be reliant on the new products of companies like Quazar etc. And if the files were up there in .dsk format they'd run rather nicely on SIMCoupe. > > I say this in all honesty that I think many Sam mags are very impressive > and it would be nice to show ST and Amiga users how good the sam scene was > at its best. For a minority machine we seem to have more than our fair > share of talented programmers and writers. > Back on to the topic you mention - yes, the SAM Magazine scene was its crowning glory and there should be a full representation of it up on an ftp somewhere - including copies of FRED and, dare I say it, even OCR'd copies of FORMAT. The SAM Coupe is somethign that was special to all of us and we should try as hard as we can to pool all our resources and give ourselves the best chance of preserving it, and all the related paraphenalia that goes with it, somewhere in cyberspace for the rest of the future generations of 8bit geeks to look at fondly. Alternatively, we could whine on about copyright restrictions and the like and see most of the people who might stick with the SAM move on to something else somewhere else and forget all about the whole shebang. And in reality - who in teh SAM world is going to have the funds to bring a breach of copyright lawsuit against anyone other individual? Especially for teh sake of about sixty pence. The worst that could happen if we all just revolted would be a few idle threats from those desperate to cling on to their fading empire. I'm not encouraging piracy - it has always existed on teh SAM scene and is probably now at it lowest level ever because of the few numbers still involved in the machines ongoings. However, trying to erect some kind of memorial to our favourite blue (or black) footed friend would make sense. I'm ready to step into my asbestos suit as I speak. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..."
Re: Sigh.. not again
Tact. Useful word and I think perhaps at least two people on the list could do with more of it. 1, admittedly being me! - Original Message - From: Andrew Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again > > Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit...David > > Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text > formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem > who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give > a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. > > Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out > your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it > had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you > had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their > machines properly. > > Just my tuppence-worth. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a >-- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file >-- > > > >
Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM
>Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I >made the >first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling >up with spam >and non-sam related postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list >subscribers >from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create >another mailing >list: > >The Sam Developer Forum > >This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and Developers >alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ >for information. Although it is entitled The Sam Developer Forum it will >cater for all >sam users, and in a sensible no-nonsence manner. No offense, but I really don't think that's a terribly good idea... Sam-users isn't a very high traffic list. It's not like subscribers get overrun with "spam and non-sam related postings" - in fact I can't recall ever seeing any spam on here. Nor are we really in the midst of long-overrunning flamewars, since Bob's clones [1] seem to be behaving at the moment... The truth is, there's really not a lot of genuine Sam discussion at the moment, because that isn't what is keeping the Sam alive. There's nothing about the technology of the machine that keeps me interested any more - the reason I still use my Sam at all is because of the people I associate with it, that is the sense of community which the Sam has been able to develop over the last ten years. The way to develop the community is to keep all the users (of genuine AND emulated machines) together - not to add a sterile list where anything but "certified clean discussion" would be frowned upon and have to get moved somewhere else, that way nearly anyone interested would just have to subscribe to both lists anyway. Much better to allow the discussion to develop in a natural environmant... Just my 0.02 Andrew [1] Not, I hasten to add, Bob Wilkinson who, having joined the list only recently, probably has no idea what I'm talking about and might get offended if he thought I were talking about him, which I'm not[2]. But another Bob. [2]Except in the footnote, obviously. -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
Re: Sigh.. not again
> Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit...David Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their machines properly. Just my tuppence-worth. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file --
