SAM Community on line
Great to to see it online. Can't wait to see more of it ! Edwin Blink [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/blink/samcoupe/index.htm
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Edwin Blink wrote: > > Great to to see it online. Can't wait to see more of it ! I'm having problems with the tracker. I was playing around with it, moving the image around, so it probably cacked the site up a bit when you saw it. Also, on Windows the text appears larger than it does when I did it on my Mac originally. Everything is nicely lined up etc on my Mac but not on the PC - I know this is a common problem with viewing websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? Gavin
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:07:57AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > I know this is a common problem with viewing > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? Yes, it sounds like what you are doing wrong is expecting it to appear identically on different browsers. This isn't the nature of the web... imc
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- Original Message - From: Gavin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Re: SAM Community on line > Edwin Blink wrote: > > > > Great to to see it online. Can't wait to see more of it ! > > I'm having problems with the tracker. I was playing around with it, > moving the image around, so it probably cacked the site up a bit when > you saw it. Also, on Windows the text appears larger than it does when I > did it on my Mac originally. Everything is nicely lined up etc on my Mac > but not on the PC - I know this is a common problem with viewing > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? I've had the same probs as u know ;) Tabls look shit on netscape :(
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Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:07:57AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > I know this is a common problem with viewing > > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? > > Yes, it sounds like what you are doing wrong is expecting it to appear > identically on different browsers. This isn't the nature of the web... > > imc Thanks for your helpful/patronizing words :) As I said, this is a *platform* issue, not a browser issue - it looks the same on all browsers on the Mac or PC, but the text appears bigger in the Windows browsers and therefore messes up alignment etc. Gavin
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That's an odd feature on the mac from what i understand :( - Original Message - From: Gavin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:23 AM Subject: Re: SAM Community on line > Ian Collier wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:07:57AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > I know this is a common problem with viewing > > > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? > > > > Yes, it sounds like what you are doing wrong is expecting it to appear > > identically on different browsers. This isn't the nature of the web... > > > > imc > > Thanks for your helpful/patronizing words :) As I said, this is a > *platform* issue, not a browser issue - it looks the same on all > browsers on the Mac or PC, but the text appears bigger in the Windows > browsers and therefore messes up alignment etc. > > Gavin > >
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:23:42AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > Thanks for your helpful/patronizing words :) As I said, this is a > *platform* issue, not a browser issue You don't seem to understand. A platform issue *is* a browser issue. > it looks the same on all > browsers on the Mac or PC *All* browsers? Did you try Opera? Mosaic? Hotjava? And once you've got it fixed on Windows and Mac OS then are you sure you know how it will look on Linux or Solaris? imc
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Ian Collier wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:23:42AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > Thanks for your helpful/patronizing words :) As I said, this is a > > *platform* issue, not a browser issue > > You don't seem to understand. A platform issue *is* a browser issue. Are you: A) Trying to sound even more of a smartass B) Trying to start a flame war or C) Just being annoying for no obvious reason? It's a platform issue in that it looks the same in all browsers that I've tried on each platform. i.e. on Mac iCab, Netscape and IE the font size is the same. Windows Opera, IE and Netscape all display the font size the same as each other, but larger than their Mac counterparts. Is that clear enough for you? I've no doubt it is, and you're just trying to being patronizing! > And once you've got it fixed on Windows and Mac OS then are you sure you > know how it will look on Linux or Solaris? Did I say I was? Did I say I was concerned about this? When I get it fixed on Windows and Mac, *then* I'll have a go at fixing it on Linux (assuming it needs fixing). If anyone else uses something else, I'll have a go at fixing it for them of course. Christ, I was only asking for a bit of help. Gavin
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Gavin Smith wrote: > > Ian Collier wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:07:57AM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > > I know this is a common problem with viewing > > > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? > > > > Yes, it sounds like what you are doing wrong is expecting it to appear > > identically on different browsers. This isn't the nature of the web... > > > > imc > > Thanks for your helpful/patronizing words :) As I said, this is a > *platform* issue, not a browser issue - it looks the same on all > browsers on the Mac or PC, but the text appears bigger in the Windows > browsers and therefore messes up alignment etc. Mac's show the text at about 1 size smaller than on other machines, for whatever reason. SO for example, looking at Size 2 on a Mac looks the same size as looking at Size 1 on a PC. Size 1 is almost unreadable on a Mac (which is a bugger, cos its the nicest looking size on a PC). The only option I've found is to use size 2 (which is probably what you are doing) - its fine on a Mac, and as long as you stick to verdana/sans-serif font it looks ok. Bit annoying or what? It is just a platform matter though - all browsers on a PC will display the size fairly similar, (MSIE seems a bit bigger usually), and all Mac browsers will display slightly smaller than a PC. You can probably fix it by setting up the browser settings. Or buying Mac users really strong specs. fitz -- Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801
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Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Mac's show the text at about 1 size smaller than on other machines, for > whatever reason. SO for example, looking at Size 2 on a Mac looks the > same size as looking at Size 1 on a PC. Size 1 is almost unreadable on a > Mac (which is a bugger, cos its the nicest looking size on a PC). > > The only option I've found is to use size 2 (which is probably what you > are doing) - its fine on a Mac, and as long as you stick to > verdana/sans-serif font it looks ok. Bit annoying or what? > > It is just a platform matter though - all browsers on a PC will display > the size fairly similar, (MSIE seems a bit bigger usually), and all Mac > browsers will display slightly smaller than a PC. You can probably fix > it by setting up the browser settings. Or buying Mac users really > strong specs. > > fitz Cheers Martin, I thought it was that, but thought perhaps there was some work around. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make it look smaller for the Windows peeps (and therefore make it look cack on my Mac). Gavin
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- Original Message - From: Gavin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 1:19 AM Subject: Re: SAM Community on line > Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > Mac's show the text at about 1 size smaller than on other machines, for > > whatever reason. SO for example, looking at Size 2 on a Mac looks the > > same size as looking at Size 1 on a PC. Size 1 is almost unreadable on a > > Mac (which is a bugger, cos its the nicest looking size on a PC). > > > > The only option I've found is to use size 2 (which is probably what you > > are doing) - its fine on a Mac, and as long as you stick to > > verdana/sans-serif font it looks ok. Bit annoying or what? > > > > It is just a platform matter though - all browsers on a PC will display > > the size fairly similar, (MSIE seems a bit bigger usually), and all Mac > > browsers will display slightly smaller than a PC. You can probably fix > > it by setting up the browser settings. Or buying Mac users really > > strong specs. > > > > fitz > > Cheers Martin, I thought it was that, but thought perhaps there was some > work around. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make it look smaller for > the Windows peeps (and therefore make it look cack on my Mac). Hmm the java for sensing browser is pretty straight forward - any way of checking browsing machine?
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Gavin Smith wrote: >on Windows the text appears larger than it does when I did it >on my Mac originally. ... I know this is a common problem with viewing >websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Expecting too much from html. HTH, HAND. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Can't think of a quote http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ So I write haiku instead - Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge --- That should do for now --
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>> Mac's show the text at about 1 size smaller than on other machines, for >> whatever reason. SO for example, looking at Size 2 on a Mac looks the >> same size as looking at Size 1 on a PC. Size 1 is almost unreadable on a >> Mac (which is a bugger, cos its the nicest looking size on a PC). >> >> The only option I've found is to use size 2 (which is probably what you >> are doing) - its fine on a Mac, and as long as you stick to >> verdana/sans-serif font it looks ok. Bit annoying or what? >> >> It is just a platform matter though - all browsers on a PC will display >> the size fairly similar, (MSIE seems a bit bigger usually), and all Mac >> browsers will display slightly smaller than a PC. You can probably fix >> it by setting up the browser settings. Or buying Mac users really >> strong specs. >> >> fitz > > Cheers Martin, I thought it was that, but thought perhaps there was some > work around. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make it look smaller for > the Windows peeps (and therefore make it look cack on my Mac). Internet Explorer 5 gets round this problem on Macs :- 'Unlock Web pages with text that was previously too small to read on the Macintosh. Internet Explorer automatically displays Web pages at 96 dpi (the standard resolution setting for Web sites created on Windows-based computers), so they are easy to read on the Macintosh. You can also choose to view pages at the standard Macintosh display resolution of 72 dpi, or any other display resolution you prefer.' Jon
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:15:18AM +0100, David L wrote: > Hmm the java for sensing browser is pretty straight forward - any way of > checking browsing machine? No, no, no! JavaScript is evil, and making different pages for different browsers is also evil. Why not just turn the whole thing into a PDF and be done with it... imc
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:14:16AM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Mac's show the text at about 1 size smaller than on other machines, for > whatever reason. SO for example, looking at Size 2 on a Mac looks the > same size as looking at Size 1 on a PC. Size 1 is almost unreadable on a > Mac (which is a bugger, cos its the nicest looking size on a PC). Size 1 is unreadable on Netscape on almost all non-Windows platforms (and why not, since it's the smallest there is) - especially when someone goes and says which results in microscopic typewriter-style font on Unix platforms. The fact that Windows platforms tend to display the fonts too large is a big pain because it makes people feel they have to mess with the font size. However, - The web author should *not* be messing with font sizes except when a small section of text actually needs to be relatively smaller or larger than the main text body (in which case or is appropriate but or is acceptable). - Font sizes are the viewer's problem, not the web author's problem. I can change and indeed have changed the default font size in Netscape to one that I consider the most readable, so if you change it then you are making your page less readable to me. Is that what you want? - Since I can change the font sizes at will, if you write stuff that depends on what size the font is then it will royally screw up when I change it. Don't do it. imc
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Gavin Smith: >Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: >> It is just a platform matter though - all browsers on a PC will display >> the size fairly similar, (MSIE seems a bit bigger usually), and all Mac >> browsers will display slightly smaller than a PC. You can probably fix >> it by setting up the browser settings. Or buying Mac users really >> strong specs. > >Cheers Martin, I thought it was that, but thought perhaps there was some >work around. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make it look smaller for >the Windows peeps (and therefore make it look cack on my Mac). The Mac standard display resolution is 72dpi. For whatever reason, Windows has chosen a standard resolution of 96dpi. That is why the fonts get displayed at different sizes between MacOS and Windows. I haven't yet had chance to look at the page in question, so don't take this as criticism of your page in particular, but... Note that you really can't expect text to be the same size everywhere. You really, really can't. Height, or width. Maybe I've chosen to view in a different font. If you specify fonts, maybe I don't have the same ones installed. The lost art of good web design is to make a page look sensible with web browser settings other than your own. It might only look "perfect" on your own computer, and you just have to live with that. Please use only relative font sizes. There's actually no good reason to do it any other way, and it makes things much easier on the people who, at the end of the day, want to read your text. For example, I generally run my monitor at the highest resolution it can manage, then increase all the font sizes to compensate. Mac browsers make it easy to do that. Everything looks better, the text is smoother an easier to read etc, but it also shows up some sloppy web designers. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Can't think of a quote http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ So I write haiku instead - Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge --- That should do for now --
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> I'm having problems with the tracker. I was playing around with it, > moving the image around, so it probably cacked the site up a bit when > you saw it. Also, on Windows the text appears larger than it does when I > did it on my Mac originally. Everything is nicely lined up etc on my Mac > but not on the PC - I know this is a common problem with viewing > websites on a Mac, and then a PC, so what am I doing wrong? Any ideas? Try using tables without fixed heigth and width. The table width will then be width required for the text On the dev.htm page (index page looks pretty good too me) you line up things just by removing the width from the table rows. ie remove [ width="272" ] (using 'edit source option' or Notepad) from: In Development! do this for other also. By removing the width the browser uses the width of the text as default. An alternative to fixed with is relative width using percentages (like in ) Edwin Blink [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/blink/samcoupe/index.htm
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whats the URL for this SAM community on-line thingy? I seem to have missed the start of this thread :( Ninge Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 74376318
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Congrats first Gavin. Forget my yesterday morning mail! The page looks great and I think it should slowly be filled up. If there are not the usual copyright problems I can supply you all SAM Supplements I have (issue 1-58, X-Mas issue), except issue 7 which wasn´t repairable as .dsk-file. Also I have Zenith edition 1, 2, 2 1/2, 3 and all 6 Virtually disks as .dsk. But I have no adress from the guys who did them for asking if we may set them also into the net. As far as I remember Zenith was never mentioned here. If you are interested I am ready to burn you a CD with this above. I like to see that we have now a "community place" for all SAM enthusiasts here. PS: Your magazin arrived for some moments. Another great issue. Geoff Bridges article seems to be another great improvment in direction Atom and Masterdos. Will try out soon. Keep on and long live SAM. Wolfgang from WoMo-Team
SAM community
Hiya Gavin, Nice going with the latest issue. A little late (again) but what do you want? A stopwatch?? (Again) A small question, though. Valient as your mag is, what I really want is a full and comprehensive list of the only SAM PD library in existence. How can I get hold of one? This is the second time it's fallen off the end of the priority list, and I'm thinking it always will. If someone wrote a catalogue disk, could you use it to provide up-to-date information on the software on offer? Or maybe just a paper-based list or E-Mail will do. I'm desparate! (sorta) -tobermory
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Howard Price wrote: > A small question, though. Valient as your mag is, what I really want is a > full and comprehensive list of the only SAM PD library in existence. How > can I get hold of one? This is the second time it's fallen off the end > of the priority list, and I'm thinking it always will. > If someone wrote a catalogue disk, could you use it to provide up-to-date > information on the software on offer? Or maybe just a paper-based list or > E-Mail will do. It definitely won't fall off the priority list again ;) It will, however, also appear on the website so you won't have to wait until the next issue. If the updates between issues to the library get too much, I'll shove the whole thing onto a floppy disk or paper supplement (as I said in the mag). Cheers, Gavin
Sam web page
I seem to have missed something What's the address for the Sam community Web page please. Bob Wilkinson
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www.samcommunity.co.uk - Original Message - From: Robert Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sam Usergroup Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Sam web page > I seem to have missed something > > What's the address for the Sam community Web page please. > > Bob Wilkinson > > >
