RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:05:21 - "Slitscan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this is a bit old now - but seriously Frode, do you think the > GoodSAMC list is anything even slightly approaching comprehensive? I > would say not. Your original comment was about "anything". While not claiming to be complete, I do suggest that there is something. Besides, the GoodSAMC is not the only "thing" there. :) -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
I know this is a bit old now - but seriously Frode, do you think the GoodSAMC list is anything even slightly approaching comprehensive? I would say not. Anyway, it's too late but I would've voted for www.worldofsam.org :D I would be quite happy to start off something similar to the AY project, to catalogue tracker music from games/demos too - maybe this is something that could be added to worldofsam? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frode Tenneboe Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:00 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery) On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:58:45 - "Slitscan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to kind of agree here - When I first started trawling the web > to see if I could get anything Coupe-related, the biggest suprise > wasn't that there was anything available at all (which was quite > suprising to say the least :) - it was that what is available is so > closely guarded. I can't say that I recognise this. You are aware that ftp.nvg.ntnu.no has an extensive CATalog/DIRectory of both commercial and freeware/PD software for the SAM. In the GoodSAMC directory there are currently 525 files which I'm fairly certain nobody cares is released or not. At least nobody has raised their voice yet. In addition I have 68 files which I HAVE been requested to removed by the various copyright holders. Amongst other things this includes Blitz Magazine, SAM News Disk and SAMCo News Disk. > When you look at a site like WOS, which is releasing what were REAL > money-making programs (we're talking very very large amounts of money) > for free, and retrospectively getting rights to do so, unless > explicitly denied rights to release the programs, it does seem to me > to be a bit odd that stuff from the Coupe (which was always a pretty > tight-knit community of enthusiasts) is unavailable to people who are > interested. It isn't. See above. I have been tinkering with the idea of a more "professional" effort like WOS, but currently I have no spare time on my hands to undertake such an effort. Regards, -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
>> I've noticed the Annotated rom disassembly is downloadable. >> Waited a long time for this ! > I just recently got permission from Andrew Wright. > -Frode Thats the Spirit ! Edwin
Re: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
- Original Message - From: Simon Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The later SimCoupe betas can open .td0 files (read-only), so they can be > copied across to something more compatible fairly easily. I found some > Russian docs that covered just about enough to work out how it was done. I > didn't bother adding the _compression_ code to create new images, as I > thought that would be pretty pointless! That's Great ! No need for me to get my old 486 working again for those tdo files.
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
Simon Owen wrote: > Simon Cooke wrote: > > Look at the files on the archive which were kept in teledisk format > > (ending in .td0) for example - we have no way of extracting > these now. > > It'd be a shame to lose other things that way. > > The later SimCoupe betas can open .td0 files (read-only), so > they can be copied across to something more compatible fairly > easily. I found some Russian docs that covered just about > enough to work out how it was done. I didn't bother adding > the _compression_ code to create new images, as I thought > that would be pretty pointless! You did that? Kick ass! OK, color me incredibly impressed :) Si
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
Simon Cooke wrote: > Look at the files on the archive which were kept in teledisk > format (ending in .td0) for example - we have no way of extracting > these now. It'd be a shame to lose other things that way. The later SimCoupe betas can open .td0 files (read-only), so they can be copied across to something more compatible fairly easily. I found some Russian docs that covered just about enough to work out how it was done. I didn't bother adding the _compression_ code to create new images, as I thought that would be pretty pointless! Si
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
Frode wrote: > In the GoodSAMC directory there are currently 525 files which > I'm fairly certain nobody cares is released or not. At least > nobody has raised their voice yet. Well, apart from the fact that there's a bunch of unfinished stuff by me in there, which is a little embarassing (because it's not finished)... ... but my embarassment alone is no reason to have it taken out of there :) Heck, if embarassment ran the show, I'd have run screaming at the words "ice", "of", and "statues" in any order you may choose some time ago now. >From my perspective, we should at least have an archive of everything we can get - whether it's downloadable by everyone is a matter for debate (I'm in favor, but think we should at least attempt to contact the copyright holders first). The important thing is to get a good archive together. If we don't have an archive, we will lose the work. Look at the files on the archive which were kept in teledisk format (ending in .td0) for example - we have no way of extracting these now. It'd be a shame to lose other things that way. Simon
RE: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
Agree with Gavin - it's all well and good saying 'wait for the right time' but when will that time be? 5 more years, maybe 10? In the PC industry, that is a lifetime. Most of the people who wrote these things will have no interest in an old 8-bit machine anymore. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Smith Sent: 20 November 2004 13:34 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery) > However, I do take your point that floppy disks have a limited > lifespan, so we should try to make sure that everything is imaged and > catalogued. Perhaps we could maintain a list of what images exist - > not necessarily to release the images right now, but to make sure that > everything will still be available, as and when we can agree on what > is the right thing to do with it. It's 2004, how many more years are we going to talk about it? :) My suggestion was that we have a consultation period (bit of a fancy term when referring to SAM software!) of about 4 weeks for each and every bit of software before we post the image online. If we can get the author's written permission in that time, great. If we can think of a reason not to post the image (or indeed if the author refuses permission), then obviously we don't. Isn't that the lesser of two evils? One evil is to let the stuff rot away (we're the last few remaining who give a stuff about the SAM remember so let's not lose perspective), lost forever - the other evil is to go to reasonable lengths to gain permission, and failing that we post images that we think aren't too controversial. I really think it's the most sensible of the two. I'll have something on the net before the weekend is out and we can debate it - it will give us something to talk about at least ;) Gavin
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:58:45 - "Slitscan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to kind of agree here - When I first started trawling the web to > see if I could get anything Coupe-related, the biggest suprise wasn't > that there was anything available at all (which was quite suprising to > say the least :) - it was that what is available is so closely guarded. I can't say that I recognise this. You are aware that ftp.nvg.ntnu.no has an extensive CATalog/DIRectory of both commercial and freeware/PD software for the SAM. In the GoodSAMC directory there are currently 525 files which I'm fairly certain nobody cares is released or not. At least nobody has raised their voice yet. In addition I have 68 files which I HAVE been requested to removed by the various copyright holders. Amongst other things this includes Blitz Magazine, SAM News Disk and SAMCo News Disk. > When you look at a site like WOS, which is releasing what were REAL > money-making programs (we're talking very very large amounts of money) > for free, and retrospectively getting rights to do so, unless explicitly > denied rights to release the programs, it does seem to me to be a bit > odd that stuff from the Coupe (which was always a pretty tight-knit > community of enthusiasts) is unavailable to people who are interested. It isn't. See above. I have been tinkering with the idea of a more "professional" effort like WOS, but currently I have no spare time on my hands to undertake such an effort. Regards, -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:58:56 +0100 "Edwin Blink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've noticed the Annotated rom disassembly is downloadable. > Waited a long time for this ! > > Thanks Frode I just recently got permission from Andrew Wright. -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
RE: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
Gavin, You are right about this. I have spent many years with my SAM and every now and then get nostalgic to look at some of the stuff that was produced for it. An archive would only represent a nostalgic look at some of the stuff I never purchased; and would not purchase now even if it was on sale. Not having this available just means it gets lost. I agree that people who still want to make money out of their SAM creations should be protected but those that cannot be contacted are obviously not doing that. Let's take a look at some of the wonderful creations that people put love into back in the day, and feel warm and cuddly about the fact that we were all there at the time ;o) Luke -Original Message- From: Gavin Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2004 13:34 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery) > However, I do take your point that floppy disks have a limited > lifespan, so we should try to make sure that everything is imaged and > catalogued. Perhaps we could maintain a list of what images exist - > not necessarily to release the images right now, but to make sure that > everything will still be available, as and when we can agree on what > is the right thing to do with it. It's 2004, how many more years are we going to talk about it? :) My suggestion was that we have a consultation period (bit of a fancy term when referring to SAM software!) of about 4 weeks for each and every bit of software before we post the image online. If we can get the author's written permission in that time, great. If we can think of a reason not to post the image (or indeed if the author refuses permission), then obviously we don't. Isn't that the lesser of two evils? One evil is to let the stuff rot away (we're the last few remaining who give a stuff about the SAM remember so let's not lose perspective), lost forever - the other evil is to go to reasonable lengths to gain permission, and failing that we post images that we think aren't too controversial. I really think it's the most sensible of the two. I'll have something on the net before the weekend is out and we can debate it - it will give us something to talk about at least ;) Gavin ** This e-mail is private and confidential and is for the addressee only. You are prohibited from using, printing, distributing or disseminating it or any information contained in it, save to the intended recipient. **
Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
Hi Gavin. I full agree with you and all those, who are thinking in the same way. And I offer you my help, as I can send you a list of my collected SAM stuff of more than thousands programs of all sort I collected in many years (worldwide) to show what was programmed for the SAM. If you want, please tell me and I make you a PDF file of the list. And the programs aren´t rotten as I have put them to a PC harddisk as dsk-files in the way I told before. Why aren´t we able to follow the INDEPENDENT Spectrum szene Where also new games and programs are created and published for free!!! To keep the Spectrum (szene) alive! So come on - do it! It gives a lot of SAM users on the continental side the possibility to see programs, they never knew they exist and they never knew where to get them from. And long live SAM! Wolfgang Gavin Smith wrote: However, I do take your point that floppy disks have a limited lifespan, so we should try to make sure that everything is imaged and catalogued. Perhaps we could maintain a list of what images exist - not necessarily to release the images right now, but to make sure that everything will still be available, as and when we can agree on what is the right thing to do with it. It's 2004, how many more years are we going to talk about it? :) My suggestion was that we have a consultation period (bit of a fancy term when referring to SAM software!) of about 4 weeks for each and every bit of software before we post the image online. If we can get the author's written permission in that time, great. If we can think of a reason not to post the image (or indeed if the author refuses permission), then obviously we don't. Isn't that the lesser of two evils? One evil is to let the stuff rot away (we're the last few remaining who give a stuff about the SAM remember so let's not lose perspective), lost forever - the other evil is to go to reasonable lengths to gain permission, and failing that we post images that we think aren't too controversial. I really think it's the most sensible of the two. I'll have something on the net before the weekend is out and we can debate it - it will give us something to talk about at least ;) Gavin
RE: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
I have to kind of agree here - When I first started trawling the web to see if I could get anything Coupe-related, the biggest suprise wasn't that there was anything available at all (which was quite suprising to say the least :) - it was that what is available is so closely guarded. When you look at a site like WOS, which is releasing what were REAL money-making programs (we're talking very very large amounts of money) for free, and retrospectively getting rights to do so, unless explicitly denied rights to release the programs, it does seem to me to be a bit odd that stuff from the Coupe (which was always a pretty tight-knit community of enthusiasts) is unavailable to people who are interested. Let's be honest, unless you're pro-actively creating something new (like Colin) which you want a return on, why would you still sit on your rights to Sam programs? There's no money to be made, and much respect to be had by releasing them to the public. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Smith Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:31 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery) > I have already spent time over the last couple of months tracking down > programmers and have been able to secure the re-release of some Sam > games which will be appearing on future Sam Revival coverdisks under > the heading > 'Classic Coupe Collection'. The first coverdisk with issue 9 which > featured > Manic Miner was the start of this. > > Along the way, I've also discovered some unreleased Sam titles too, > such as > Invasion II that is on the current issue of the magazine, and along > with > some totally new Sam programs there will be quite a variety of > never-seen-before programs to spice up the Sam Revival coverdisks. That's all fair enough, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes but at the same time, it's not the same as an archive? Wouldn't it be better to ask authors if we can share it freely on the net, rather than put the stuff on yet another floppy disk that's still going to get lost to time? Gavin
Re: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
I have already spent time over the last couple of months tracking down programmers and have been able to secure the re-release of some Sam games which will be appearing on future Sam Revival coverdisks under the heading 'Classic Coupe Collection'. The first coverdisk with issue 9 which featured Manic Miner was the start of this. Along the way, I've also discovered some unreleased Sam titles too, such as Invasion II that is on the current issue of the magazine, and along with some totally new Sam programs there will be quite a variety of never-seen-before programs to spice up the Sam Revival coverdisks. That's all fair enough, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes but at the same time, it's not the same as an archive? Wouldn't it be better to ask authors if we can share it freely on the net, rather than put the stuff on yet another floppy disk that's still going to get lost to time? Gavin
Re: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
--- Colin Piggot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have already spent time over the last couple of > months tracking down > programmers and have been able to secure the > re-release of some Sam games > which will be appearing on future Sam Revival > coverdisks under the heading > 'Classic Coupe Collection'. The first coverdisk with > issue 9 which featured > Manic Miner was the start of this. > > Along the way, I've also discovered some unreleased > Sam titles too, such as > Invasion II that is on the current issue of the > magazine, and along with > some totally new Sam programs there will be quite a > variety of > never-seen-before programs to spice up the Sam > Revival coverdisks. > > Colin > = > Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for > the Sam Coupe > Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and > http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ > Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now Have you got my new subscription yet?
Re: Dare to share (was Re: Days of Sorcery)
Geoff Winkless wrote: > But one of the great things about the Sam was (and is!) the respect and > sense of community which the users showed to each other. By insisting that > we check with the original authors we are maintaining that level of respect > which I for one have no wish to destroy. I certainly agree that authors appreciate being contacted. I have already spent time over the last couple of months tracking down programmers and have been able to secure the re-release of some Sam games which will be appearing on future Sam Revival coverdisks under the heading 'Classic Coupe Collection'. The first coverdisk with issue 9 which featured Manic Miner was the start of this. Along the way, I've also discovered some unreleased Sam titles too, such as Invasion II that is on the current issue of the magazine, and along with some totally new Sam programs there will be quite a variety of never-seen-before programs to spice up the Sam Revival coverdisks. Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
Re: Dare to share (was re: Days of Sorcery)
However, I do take your point that floppy disks have a limited lifespan, so we should try to make sure that everything is imaged and catalogued. Perhaps we could maintain a list of what images exist - not necessarily to release the images right now, but to make sure that everything will still be available, as and when we can agree on what is the right thing to do with it. It's 2004, how many more years are we going to talk about it? :) My suggestion was that we have a consultation period (bit of a fancy term when referring to SAM software!) of about 4 weeks for each and every bit of software before we post the image online. If we can get the author's written permission in that time, great. If we can think of a reason not to post the image (or indeed if the author refuses permission), then obviously we don't. Isn't that the lesser of two evils? One evil is to let the stuff rot away (we're the last few remaining who give a stuff about the SAM remember so let's not lose perspective), lost forever - the other evil is to go to reasonable lengths to gain permission, and failing that we post images that we think aren't too controversial. I really think it's the most sensible of the two. I'll have something on the net before the weekend is out and we can debate it - it will give us something to talk about at least ;) Gavin
