good bye
Hi All, So many of you guys have helped me over the years that I feel I should jot down a quick note of thanks before I unsubscribe. I am now on Fedora everywhere and no longer have any RHEL clones anywhere. RHEL is out of date deliberately and I was trying to force the issue, which about drove me insane. So, so many bugs have been fixed in Fedora that I am still gitty after upgrading in December. And the irony of KVM being a Red Hat project and KVM not being able to run its fixed and improvements under RHEL has not escaped me. (qemu-kvm runs really sweet under Fedora and the USB redirection actually works!) So, I guess this is goodby. Thank you for all the help all these years! If anyone wishes to write me, please write directly to my eMail address -T
Re: Is there a qemu-kvm mailing list?
On 12/18/2017 11:25 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:47 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: Anyone know of a qemu-kvm mailing list? https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-discuss/ https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-virt/ Thank you!
Re: Is there a qemu-kvm mailing list?
On 12/18/2017 09:26 PM, Sean Crosby wrote: https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-discuss Thank you!
Re: Is there a qemu-kvm mailing list?
On 19 December 2017 at 15:47, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com <mailto:toddandma...@zoho.com>> wrote: Anyone know of a qemu-kvm mailing list? On 12/18/2017 09:20 PM, Sean Crosby wrote: Not entirely qemu-kvm, but qemu in general - qemu-disc...@nongnu.org <mailto:qemu-disc...@nongnu.org> Sean Any idea where I go to sigh up and to look at archives?
Is there a qemu-kvm mailing list?
Anyone know of a qemu-kvm mailing list?
Re: systemd saned issues
On 11/21/2017 05:30 AM, R P Herrold wrote: and you have still not learned to trim I did not trim as a sufficient amount of time had passed since my initial post. I don't keep everything around that does not apply to me, so I do not expect others to do so. And since such time had passed, I left the initial post there in case someone was interested and did not know what I was talking about because they had erased the initial post. It was a judgment call. I did not mean to offend, but to be helpful.
Re: systemd saned issues
On 11/21/2017 05:30 AM, R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142369 ... Plus, my version of sane-backends, does not have systemd support compiled in. not that it is compiled in at all, but rather, as the bug showed how to check, just missing systemd support config files I got that from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142369#c21 "particularly, I do not see explicit systemd support there $ rpm -ql sane-backends | grep syst $" Did the Red Hat engineer make a mistake? Oh, and it is purposefully NOT "explicitly" compiled in either, not just a missing config file: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1515762#c2 "Nowadays when you use scanner, scanning program communicate with scanner directly, not through daemon. The saned daemon is used usually for remote scanning (like remote client accesses server, where scanning device is connected), which is not usual." He doesn't know about PDF Studio, which is an AWESOME piece of PDF editing software. As soon as I get updated to the latest version, I will give him the link to the unlimited trial so he can play around with it. and you were asked to file a bug against the appropriate component, rather than hi-jacking a bug on a completely different issue in systemd What makes you think I did not? 2017-11-21 05:44 EST by Todd https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1515762 (RHEL) 2017-11-11 21:41 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1512252 (Fedora) When Red Hat engineers ask me to do something, I am reallyconscientious on doing it. They are a paid service and I am not paying them, so when they "volunteer" to help me, I bend over backwards to hang on their every word and request. and you have still not learned to trim a while ago you remarked: My problem is that I have been trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. RHEL is a really poor choice for a system that has a lot of innovation going on on it. Perhaps you should consider moving to Fedora, as they are suited to your needs That is definitely on the table. The stress involved in trying to maintain an OS that is purposefully minimally maintained has overwhelmed me. I need two solid days (of lost billing and neglecting my family responsibilities) to port over. It is not small undertaking -- financially, technically, neglected family. Maybe in March, when I have the stinkin' federal taxes finished. Note that the issue with saned and systemctl cuts across both RHEL and Clones and Fedora. It is far more likely to be fixed in Fedora, then I can ask that it be ported into RHEL, especially since I do believe it is the same guy supporting both. ** Please ** conform to FOSS norms here --- I have seriously considered just devnulling your content, as you use this venue far beyond its scope The purpose of my follow up post was to let everyone know what my mistake was and that I had that part under control. I always do followups to help others with the same issues and to stop others from helping me when I have figured things out. Not doing so, I consider "rude". I have customer that call for appointments all the time that do not call me back when I give them dates and times. It is because they have figured it out on their own and have no further need of me. IT IS RUDE AS ALL HELL to leave me hanging with spots for their appointments and not cancelling so I can give their spots away to others. Especially when they call saying it is an "emergency" and I am trying to bend over backward to accommodate them. I consider not following up to be in the same light. -- Russ herrold I have no idea what you mean by "FOSS norms". If you find my posting to be offensive, you should seriously consider going through with your threat and kill filing me. Getting angry over what I post doesn't help either of us. -T
Re: systemd saned issues
On 11/18/2017 02:45 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, SL 7.4 I can start /usr/sbin/saned from the command line: /usr/sbin/saned -a saned -d128; echo $?; ps ax | grep -i [s]aned 0 29857 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/saned -a saned -d128 But not from my systemd scripts, which I picked up from "man saned". Note that I can not use the name saned\@.service due to a very long standing bug: 'systemctl' does not properly run the 'start', 'restart' or 'status' for a .service file containing an '@' https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142369 In my case it gives: Failed to start saned@.service: Unit name saned@.service is missing the instance name. So I called 'saned\@.service" "saned\@sane.service" [Unit] Description=saned incoming socket [Socket] ListenStream=6566 Accept=yes MaxConnections=1 [Install] WantedBy=sockets.target [Unit] Description=Scanner Service Requires=saned.socket [Service] RemainAfterExit=yes ExecStart=/usr/sbin/saned -a saned -s User=saned Group=saned # User=root # Group=root StandardInput=null StandardOutput=syslog StandardError=syslog Environment=SANE_CONFIG_DIR=/etc/sane.d # If you need to debug your configuration uncomment the next line and # change it as appropriate to set the desired debug options Environment=SANE_DEBUG_DLL=255 SANE_DEBUG_BJNP=5 [Install] Also=saned.socket Error message is # systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl stop saned.socket; systemctl stop saned\@sane.service; systemctl start saned.socket; systemctl start saned\@sane.service; systemctl -l status saned\@sane.service; ps ax | grep [s]aned ● saned@sane.service - Scanner Service Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/saned@sane.service; indirect; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (exited) since Sat 2017-11-18 02:42:54 PST; 46ms ago Process: 31110 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/saned (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 31110 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Nov 18 02:42:54 rn4.rent-a-nerd.local systemd[1]: Started Scanner Service. Nov 18 02:42:54 rn4.rent-a-nerd.local systemd[1]: Starting Scanner Service... Nov 18 02:42:54 rn4.rent-a-nerd.local saned[31110]: saned (AF-indep+IPv6) from sane-backends 1.0.24 starting up ps command is empty How do I troubleshoot this? Why did it succeed and exit? Many thanks, -T Followup: saned\@.service was the correct name I was starting the wrong service. I should have started: # systemctl enable saned.socket (one time only) # systemctl -l start saned.socket Plus, my version of sane-backends, does not have systemd support compiled in. -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: EPEL and revisions
On 11/11/2017 06:28 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: In my experience, Nux! will respond to a request in a couple of days. If RHEL does respond, it will be in a couple of years. Nux! is the best bet. Who is "Nux!" ? https://li.nux.ro/
Re: Tip: when your terminal gets all screwed up
On 11/10/2017 06:48 PM, jdow wrote:
On 2017-11-10 16:38, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 11/10/2017 04:21 PM, jdow wrote:
On 2017-11-10 15:14, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Dear List,
Ever cat a binary file by accident and your
terminal gets all screwed up.
I had a developer on the Perl 6 chat line give me
a tip on how to unscrew your terminal and set it
back to normal. (He way helping me do a binary
read from the keyboard.)
stty sane^j
Note: it is , not "enter".
-T
Make "\033]0;" the first bit of your prompt. Never worry about it again.
ESC-0 sets the terminal to have no attribute bits set. So it clears
funny display. I've had that as a standard part of my prompts for
decades, even back in the CP/M days.
{^_^} Joanne
Sweet!
Here is what I have in my .bash_profile file:
if [ "$PS1" ]; then
# extra [ in front of \u unconfuses confused Linux VT parser
PS1="\e[0 [[\\u@\\h:\\l \\w]\\$ "
fi
{^_^}
Thank you!
--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~
Tip: when your terminal gets all screwed up
Dear List, Ever cat a binary file by accident and your terminal gets all screwed up. I had a developer on the Perl 6 chat line give me a tip on how to unscrew your terminal and set it back to normal. (He way helping me do a binary read from the keyboard.) stty sane^j Note: it is , not "enter". -T
EPEL and revisions
Dear List, I learned something I did not realize about EPEL (Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL#What_is_Extra_Packages_for_Enterprise_Linux_.28or_EPEL.29.3F "EPEL packages are usually based on their Fedora counterparts and will never conflict with or replace packages in the base Enterprise Linux distributions." So basically, if you need something fixed or updated that is already in RHEL, EPEL will not update beyond RHEL. And if you really, really need something fixed, you are at the mercy of RHEL or you have to ask Nux!, who is a blooming genius that this kind of thing. In my experience, Nux! will respond to a request in a couple of days. If RHEL does respond, it will be in a couple of years. Nux! is the best bet. Interesting and makes sense when you think about it. -T
Re: Rage against the EL Machine
On 11/08/2017 03:52 PM, O'Neal, Miles wrote: I'm not real sure what this discussion has to do with Scientific Linux, but I'll give this a shot. On 11/08/2017 05:25 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I can't afford to have my Contacts and Tasks wiped out by the OS being too out of date to accept fixes and an OS vendor that won't fix it. So it works both ways. RedHat is quite up front about the point of RHEL, which is long term stability and support. EL is NOT about being anywhere even close to leading edge, much less bleeding edge. If you buy a heavy duty pickup truck, you do not get (and should not expect) sports car performance. We use EL for both servers and workstations in hardware design[1] (and we are not alone in this). That's because that's what the third party tools support. There is no way those vendors can validate complex tool chains against a new build every six months. Yes, we are frustrated that we can't use the latest email client, web browser, or aardvarkial sanitization discomboobulator, but it comes with the turf. Conversely, many software groups prefer something that is very up to date, such as Fedora, Ubuntu, etc. They need a sports car, and recognize they can't haul a half ton microscope in it. And you know what? For the job they really need to do (all sorts of things around hardware design and basic business and communication functions), the EL-based workstations work great. And you know the Cxxx series of chipsets have been around for a while now. Just not long enough to be out of production at which point it will appear on Red Hat compatibility list. Nonsense. Our friends over at Red Hat are continuously supporting leading edge *server* hardware. Niko! The C236 chipset *IS* a server grade chipset! And it has been around for a long time. No doubt Red Hat will eventually support it in about five years, which is typical of them and useless to me. Actually, it was meant to be a consumer and workstation chipset. While it is based on a server chipset, it's been somewhat gutted. But either way, unless the hardware vendor partners with RedHat, the latter is unlikely to support it. Should vendor be yelling at you if your employer got caught in a Congressional budget crunch and couldn't pay for massive magnets? No, because that's not how it works. Intel does classify it as a "server grade" chipset. It is meant low end model meant for small business servers and top reliability workstations. ... My problem is that I have been trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. RHEL is a really poor choice for a system that has a lot of innovation going on on it. It does sound like you're trying to pound a square peg into a round hole, but it's not the peg's fault. One must pick the right peg for the hole that needs to be filled. -Miles RHEL and Clones is best not used as a workstation, unless the software yo are going to run on it expressly support out-of-date operating system or software that currently work and your intention is to freeze it. And can do such with any OS by turning of the updates. In my case, the software I run requires the OS to keep on top of things. Having my business' Tasks and Contacts deleted and the OS not supporting the patch is a *total annoyance*. And it is my fault for choosing an OS that is out-of-date by design. Square peg, round hole.
Re: Epson Perfection V19 scanner
On 11/07/2017 06:22 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:43 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: On 11/07/2017 04:59 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: "Continual Improvement" also means "continual failure". Been there, done that. Most businesses, and many home users, simply cannot afford the cost of leading edge technologies. I can't afford to have my Contacts and Tasks wiped out by the OS being too out of date to accept fixes and an OS vendor that won't fix it. So it works both ways. And speaking of been there and done that, I see what you speak of ALL-THE-TIME in the Windows World. On my Windows VM's, I disable the updates as I do not have the patience for the hassles they cause. (They are hardly ever used and have limited access to the Internet. Mostly they are for research purposes). So I know from where you come. And speaking of FUD, why is it the XP is SO dangerous because it is not supported by M$ and still gets broken into less that Windows 7?Hmmm. Marketing guys work on that one really well! And you know the Cxxx series of chipsets have been around for a while now. Just not long enough to be out of production at which point it will appear on Red Hat compatibility list. Nonsense. Our friends over at Red Hat are continuously supporting leading edge *server* hardware. Niko! The C236 chipset *IS* a server grade chipset! And it has been around for a long time. No doubt Red Hat will eventually support it in about five years, which is typical of them and useless to me. laptop and many business class chipsets evolve, and hae unannounced upgrades far too frequently, to expect the same support. RHEL and Clones are perfect for running a computer as an appliance, which is what you describe. My problem is that I have been trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. RHEL is a really poor choice for a system that has a lot of innovation going on on it.
Re: Epson Perfection V19 scanner
On 11/07/2017 06:22 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: Same with Perl 5, although I find very few bugs in P5 as it is mature. Perl has has a serious issue with modular dependency hell. You don't run into it, or run into one update breaking other components, if you stay within a stable distribution that does serious regression testing. You also have options to access more recent base versions of Perl, Python, and other dynamic, highly evolving, and less stable toolkits by activating the software collections channels. As you say: Perl 6 is not mature.Even Fedora does not consider it to be mature for mainline use. If you're out there at that bleeding edge, well, good luck with anything resembling stability. The CPAN modules, in particualr, are likely to add new components that solve one dependency and break previous releases of other modules. pip for Python, gradle and ant and maven for Java, all share the same problem. Testing, resolving, and backporting fixes to handle those dependencies is one futz of a lot of work. Hi Nico, I learned programming on Pascal and Modula2. In hindsight, C would have been better. Anyway, I live and die in Top Down and subroutines. I jumped to Perl 6 as Perl 5's subroutine declarations are a freaking nightmare. Perl 6 is a beautiful clean up for me. And you are right, it is bleeding edge. But I took to it like a duck to water. And the developers over on the chat line are the most incredible fellows. (So are the guys over here; no one get their nose out of joint). So far I have been able to work around every bug I have tripped across (about 20 so far). And the programs I have been and are writing are on Fedora Servers where the anti-kaisen nature of RHEL and Friends (clones) is not an issue. I can get problem fixed. By the way Geany works beautifully over "ssh -X" with no clipboard issues like you get from xrdp. The more I learn Perl 6, the more I wonder where it has been all my life! And has been pointed out to me on this group, an OS is stable *ONLY IF* it is stable with what you want it to run on it. I am loath to rip out SL7.4 as I have it all cherried out the way I like and I do not have the expenses or time to rip it out. I should though as all my new customers are on Fedora Servers. (The C236 issue and not supporting new software.) So I just leave a lot of the annoyances in place hoping they won't kill me before I dump SL. The thing about a Kaisen Linux OS is that you do not have to update it. At which point you no longer have the constant new problems introduced. (The Windows 10 folks are crying blood over M$'s crazy updates. What a nightmare.) The thing about a Kaisen OS is that you have to ask yourself if the two steps forward is worth the one step backwards. And figuring THAT out is why the two of us get paid the medium sized bucks. I love virtual machines to test new releases. My VM of Fedora 27 Beta is sweet -- haven't found any issues it it yet (the operative word is "yet"). My experience with Fedora is that it more like 10 steps forward and 1 step backwards. Lib-notify for example. I reported it and it got fixed. It would not have in RHEL and Clones unless I had a subscription and then maybe it would have taken several years. Then again, the issue does not exist in RHEL and Clones. The uses you describe for RHEL and Clones sound perfect. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (Hell, I still work on DOS machines.) In what I use it for, which is a combination Server, Virtual Machine test bed, and workstation, it is a nightmare. My system is the opposite of a set and forget system. I still shutter over getting 32 bit Wine to work. RHEL and Clones are a double edged sword. It has its purposes. I made a big mistake using it as it does not fit my needs very well. I have been trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. I think when I do finally jump SL for Fedora, the biggest issue I will have is that I will have lost the support from the guys on this group. Their knowledge and willingness to help are a considerable factor. -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Epson Perfection V19 scanner
On 11/07/2017 04:59 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 07/11/17 23:10, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 11/07/2017 10:09 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 04/11/17 01:14, ToddAndMargo wrote: I do realize that RHEL is just next to unmaintained code. Hey, cut the FUD crap please. And this isn't the first time you come with such bullshit either. It is a long running observation and not FUD or bull s***. I strongly disagree in your observations, when you label the efforts of producing a rock solid Linux distribution which is designed to survive a decade long installation. RHEL is fully maintained and updated according to their release process. Bugs and security issues are fixed during the complete life cycle of each major release. That is quite far from "unmaintained code". Insisting on running RHEL 4 today is running unmaintained code. This is true. RH has their own proprieties. One if them is getting paid for their consulting. The open source model is such. And since I can not afford to put them on my payroll, I am dead last on getting anything fixed. (I can barely afford to keep a roof over my head with this never ending recessions, which has slowly started to break by has not tricked down to me yet.) Which gives you even less reasons to complain about what RHEL is and how it is designed to be as a Linux distribution. And I did not say "unmaintained code". I said "next to unmaintained code". There is a difference. And both are wrong in regards to the context of RHEL and how it is maintained. [...snip...] 1) It does not operate on modern C236 small business based server motherboards. That would be I do NOT see that being listed here: <https://hardware.redhat.com/=C236> Hence, there is NO reason to be surprised here. To get through the certification takes lots of efforts, both from Red Hat and the hardware vendor. And neither have put efforts into this specific system. Many years ago, I worked a bit on the test suite which is used for the RHEL certification. At that time, it could take up to a week to finish a complete certification run. And after that came evaluation of the results the certification run provided. That evaluation also indicated if anything needs to be improved before being certified. 7.2 not compatible with C236 and RSTe motherboard https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1353423 Reported 2016-07-06 (by me) And if you read the bug report, you will find that their reason for NOT fixing the issue is that they do not have the hardware available DESPITE the fact that I told them who to call, phone number and all, over at Supermicro to get free hardware. This is probably a way more arrogant and ignorant attitude of you than you are aware of. You really don't think Red Hat already have established vendor relation with Super Micro? There are 1019 various certified systems from Super Micro as far as I can see. It would not even surprise me if Red Hat have at least one designated hardware partner contact just for Super Micro. Red Hat isn't a tiny garage company doing fun stuff. They're an enterprise with 10k+ people hired spread over 90 offices across the world. How much have you been paid in RHEL subscriptions? And why should they focus on your needs when NYSE is on their doorstep asking for some other and more important hardware to be certified? So, EVEN IF I WANTED TO, I can not use EL Linux on ANY new C236 based small business server. And I reproduced the issue on two separate server for them. Why? Again, because "EL Linux as 'next to unmaintained'". No. Not (next to) unmaintained. UNSUPPORTED due to NOT BEING CERTIFIED. You picked the wrong hardware. Deal with it. [...snip...] You ever have the experience of find your business' tasks and contacts missing when you fire up your machine and can't figure out why it keeps happening? (Good thing I am a back up whore.) I almost had a heart attack. Again, because "EL Linux as 'next to unmaintained'". No. Because you are using RHEL in an inappropriate and unsupported way. You do not accept that the blue car is blue. 3) You get you ass made fun of and requests out right rejected because you are so out of date. The folks over on NMap's list think you are out of your mind for operating anything that is so out of date and refuse to help you. Case in point. Here are two rejections from Simple Scan: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789890 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789892 Upstream GNOME development IS NOT RHEL package maintenance. Again, blue cars are blue. Before each single package RH ships, either through the various repositories or as a new minor release, these packages are sent via a boatload of regression and functional testing. And then a set of install/uninstall/reinstall/upgrade/downgrade tests. This is to ensure the package has a predictable stability. I do not say this is flawless an
Re: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp ???
On 11/07/2017 03:34 PM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/11/17 22:17, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 11/07/2017 01:40 PM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/11/17 20:45, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 11/07/2017 04:07 AM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/11/17 11:11, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Dear List,
SL 7.4
What am I doing wrong?
$ rpmbuild --rebuild simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm
Installing simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm
...
error: line 25: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp
$ rpm -qa yelp\*
yelp-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64
yelp-xsl-3.20.1-1.el7.noarch
yelp-libs-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64
yelp-tools-3.18.0-1.el7.noarch
Many thanks,
-T
You could try editing the specfile to 'Requires' ?
Thank you and was afraid of that.
I have a specfile (for MythTV) that works in mock under fc25 in
builds for both SL7 and fc25. It's based on one from rpmfusion and
includes the lines
Requires: python-MythTV
%{?fedora:Recommends: mesa-vdpau-drivers}
But that might be using an rpmfusion macro. And of course other
problems might emerge; fc27 is several steps away from el7.
John
Hi John,
At some point I am going to have to break down and learn
how to make my own RPMs.
What got me here was that "yelp" is installed and I am
being tagged for it being missing. Something else to
learn.
I think the problem is that rpmbuild for el7 doesn't understand
'Recommends:'. As Tom H said, it's new. Iff that's the only problem
you can perhaps just comment out that line - but IIUC you will need to
build a new src.rpm from the edited specfile, and then try to rebuild
from that.
But I suspect that a bare 'Recommends:' implies that no build for el7
from the fc27 srpm has yet succeeded.
I think you called it. I am trying to get the latest
running so I can ask for bug fixes and enhancements.
The developers won't even read past the version number,
even if the problem is easy to check in the current version.
Right now Simple Scan works, but is awkward to use. Not
as awkward as xcuss (x common unix scanning system, also
known as xsane).
I should probably add your "%{?fedora" tag all over the place.
Thank you for the help!
-T
--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~
Re: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp ???
On 11/07/2017 01:40 PM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/11/17 20:45, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 11/07/2017 04:07 AM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/11/17 11:11, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Dear List,
SL 7.4
What am I doing wrong?
$ rpmbuild --rebuild simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm
Installing simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm
...
error: line 25: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp
$ rpm -qa yelp\*
yelp-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64
yelp-xsl-3.20.1-1.el7.noarch
yelp-libs-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64
yelp-tools-3.18.0-1.el7.noarch
Many thanks,
-T
You could try editing the specfile to 'Requires' ?
Thank you and was afraid of that.
I have a specfile (for MythTV) that works in mock under fc25 in builds
for both SL7 and fc25. It's based on one from rpmfusion and includes
the lines
Requires: python-MythTV
%{?fedora:Recommends: mesa-vdpau-drivers}
But that might be using an rpmfusion macro. And of course other
problems might emerge; fc27 is several steps away from el7.
John
Hi John,
At some point I am going to have to break down and learn
how to make my own RPMs.
What got me here was that "yelp" is installed and I am
being tagged for it being missing. Something else to
learn.
I should probably add your "%{?fedora" tag all over the place.
Thank you for the help!
-T
Re: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp ???
On 11/07/2017 04:07 AM, John Pilkington wrote: On 07/11/17 11:11, ToddAndMargo wrote: Dear List, SL 7.4 What am I doing wrong? $ rpmbuild --rebuild simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm Installing simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm ... error: line 25: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp $ rpm -qa yelp\* yelp-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-xsl-3.20.1-1.el7.noarch yelp-libs-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-tools-3.18.0-1.el7.noarch Many thanks, -T You could try editing the specfile to 'Requires' ? Thank you and was afraid of that.
Re: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp ???
On 11/07/2017 05:12 AM, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 6:11 AM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: SL 7.4 What am I doing wrong? $ rpmbuild --rebuild simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm Installing simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm ... error: line 25: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp $ rpm -qa yelp\* yelp-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-xsl-3.20.1-1.el7.noarch yelp-libs-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-tools-3.18.0-1.el7.noarch Fedora has introduced weak dependencies, "recommends" and "suggests", like Debian/Ubuntu/etc. You can either remove the "recommends" or change it/them to "requires", with the latter solution being the safer one. Thank you!
Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp ???
Dear List, SL 7.4 What am I doing wrong? $ rpmbuild --rebuild simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm Installing simple-scan-3.26.1-1.fc27.src.rpm ... error: line 25: Unknown tag: Recommends: yelp $ rpm -qa yelp\* yelp-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-xsl-3.20.1-1.el7.noarch yelp-libs-3.22.0-1.el7.x86_64 yelp-tools-3.18.0-1.el7.noarch Many thanks, -T
Re: Epson Perfection V19 scanner
On 11/03/2017 04:55 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I posted the follpwing two RFE's: RFE: save overwrite prompt https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789890 RFE: delete, save, new scanner https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789892 And RFE: please update simple scan https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1509490 RHEL 7.26 maybe? 9.6? I do realize that RHEL is just next to unmaintained code. And that the economic model is to give the code away for free and charge for the consulting. So, since I can't afford the consulting, it is unlikely anything I ask for will ever be worked on. Oh well ...
Re: SIGTERM?
On 10/30/2017 06:20 AM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: Hi ToddAndMargo! On 2017.10.27 at 16:57:38 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote next: I was wondering why one would go through all the effort to do a "ExecStop" in systemd if shutdown was going to send SIGTERM to everyone anyway. Well because the process might not have long enough to shutdown before the SIGKILL or have all its sub process complete properly either. There are lots of reasons to have ExecStop (especially for databases). First is handling the case when database can't accept SIGTERM correctly and needs specific command to shutdown instead (e.g. Oracle DB). Second is need to do some pre/post shutdown cleanup, e.g. you want to send some notification to someone else before shutdown. Third is manual picking of process to terminate, systemd can either kill very first process with SIGTERM or kill all, but there are cases when you need to kill something else. For example, this is tree of running processes: (1) wrapper | (2) control manager | (3) child 1 (4) child 2 (5) child 3 systemd can kill either (1) or (1-5) depending on settings, but killing (1) is useless and killing (3-5) directly might harm the service state, the only way to correctly shutdown is to send signal to (2) (or 1 and 2 at once). Here you'll need ExecStop again. I'd say that the only annoyance here is that ExecStop must be synchronous, it must actually wait till everything shutdowns before returning, otherwise systemd will treat it as failed shutdown attempt and kill the service remains right after ExecStop returns. So if you're going to stop by sending SIGTERM to some specific process, you need a wrapper script for ExecStop which waits till everything has shutdown properly. You can't use one that calls shutdown in background and returns without waiting. Anyhow, just like ExecStop allows these kinds of customizations, you can also define "TimeoutStopSec" parameter (e.g. TimeoutStopSec=5min) and systemd will wait that time either after sending SIGTERM (if there is no ExecStop) or after ExecStop and before sending SIGKILL (ExecStop command will be aborted in that case when the time has ran out). Wow! Thank you!
Re: SIGTERM?
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:57 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com <mailto:toddandma...@zoho.com>> wrote: Dear List, In the situation I am facing, a database is not shutdown by the systemd script that started it at boot. (Its start point was actually hacked into a related bash file called by another systems script without a shutdown hack.) There is no "ExecStop" line. NO, IT WAS NO MY DOING !!! I am not saying which (proprietary) database as I don’t want to get into any legal cross hairs. Anyway, someone else is using the database. The database works fine. The vendor is not systemd literate and keeps complaining about it only works under SysV. And no, they won’t give me the SysV rc.d scripts and let me convert it for them. And, yes, I know, you can still use SysV if you must. But, again, as I said, it is not my doing. I am thinking there is a possibility of data corruptions. Question: does the general shutdown take care of this issue? Am I presuming too much to think this is handled by the general shutdown global SIGTERM? The database does properly respond to SIGTERM. Do I understand the global SIGTERM correctly? Many thanks, -T On 10/27/2017 02:31 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: you understand the global sigterm correctly but there is a problem with relying on that. while it is true that a global sigterm is issued it is followed shortly afterward by a global kill. what that means is it may not give the database sufficient time to shutdown before killing it. whenever databases are involved you can not count on the global sigterm to shut it down correctly in time Hi Paul, Now I understand. Thank you! I was wondering why one would go through all the effort to do a "ExecStop" in systemd if shutdown was going to send SIGTERM to everyone anyway. Well because the process might not have long enough to shutdown before the SIGKILL or have all its sub process complete properly either. -T
Re: Epson Perfection V19 scanner
On 10/25/2017 12:48 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Dear List, Anyone out there get an Epson Perfection V19 scanner to work with SL 7.4? Did you do anything special? Many thanks, -T $ scanimage -L device `imagescan:esci:gt-s650:usb:/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.7/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0' is a EPSON Epson_Perfection_V19 Followup. 1) I installed the scanner on a native Fedora 26 machine and it worked. Well, no so well, but that is the design of the scanner. So my issues are software related and my old scanner was never defective. 2) I sent the scanner back. I will not do a "preview" as it is missing that part in the firmware. It also is slower than hell. I presume this is because it is USB2 bus powered. Windows users complain a lot about these issues too. The scanner is just too cheap. So poop. Now I get to figure out why my scanner takes EIGHT scans every time I ask for one. xscan is cumbersome to use at its best. I may switch to Simple Scan for most of everything. I get tired of having to fix stuff all the time, but it is my job, so I should quit bitching and be glad I have a job ... -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
SIGTERM?
Dear List, In the situation I am facing, a database is not shutdown by the systemd script that started it at boot. (Its start point was actually hacked into a related bash file called by another systems script without a shutdown hack.) There is no "ExecStop" line. NO, IT WAS NO MY DOING !!! I am not saying which (proprietary) database as I don’t want to get into any legal cross hairs. Anyway, someone else is using the database. The database works fine. The vendor is not systemd literate and keeps complaining about it only works under SysV. And no, they won’t give me the SysV rc.d scripts and let me convert it for them. And, yes, I know, you can still use SysV if you must. But, again, as I said, it is not my doing. I am thinking there is a possibility of data corruptions. Question: does the general shutdown take care of this issue? Am I presuming too much to think this is handled by the general shutdown global SIGTERM? The database does properly respond to SIGTERM. Do I understand the global SIGTERM correctly? Many thanks, -T
abrt-cli list
Dar List, I am getting a lot of these from # abrt-cli list --since 1508946679 id a1fc3a2e673aef967d0497fcc505bdd7dbd51c9f reason: irq 18: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) time: Thu 26 Oct 2017 08:58:55 AM PDT cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-693.1.1.el7.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/luks-4dc5d930-f4c3-42de-80c5-274f70b944a1 ro crashkernel=auto rd.luks.uuid=luks-4dc5d930-f4c3-42de-80c5-274f70b944a1 rd.luks.uuid=luks-b8ecc95b-85fa-4111-9ef8-78a8b4934b79 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 package:kernel uid:0 (root) count: 1 Directory: /var/spool/abrt/oops-2017-10-26-08:58:55-1448-1 Reported: cannot be reported Do I care? and should I report it to Red hat? -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Epson Perfection V19 scanner
Dear List, Anyone out there get an Epson Perfection V19 scanner to work with SL 7.4? Did you do anything special? Many thanks, -T $ scanimage -L device `imagescan:esci:gt-s650:usb:/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.7/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0' is a EPSON Epson_Perfection_V19
scanner
Dear List, Anyone have a favorite flat bed scanner that is SL friendly? Many thanks, -T
Re: How do I access mtp from the command line?
On 10/07/2017 12:27 AM, Jos Vos wrote: On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 03:44:51PM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: With a lot of help from Vladimir, here is my write up: SL 7.4: how to operate MTP devices from the command line; First download and install libmtp and libmtp-examples from: http://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/ EPEL has ready-to-use libmtp packages, as well ass jmtpfs (FUSE and libmtp based filesystem). Never used it myself. Sounds like a much simpler way to go. The current libmtp did not recognize my wife's tablet. Red Hat fixed that and posted it on the link I gave. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
Re: How do I access mtp from the command line?
On 10/06/2017 03:17 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 10/06/2017 03:11 PM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: ou can use fuse-based mtp implementation; it will allow you to mount your device into filesystem and use whatever tools you like. E.g. simple-mtpfs works (you can rebuilt srpm from Fedora or get it straight from sourcehttps://github.com/phatina/simple-mtpfs). Install libmpt-examples (for mpt-detect) and simple-mtpfs and do something like Nux! has it! $ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides simple-mtpfs ... | 2.6 kB 00:00 simple-mtpfs-0.2-3.el7.nux.x86_64 : Fuse-based MTP driver Repo : nux-dextop Yippee! I should note that I have a link from dnf to yum in SL and a link from yum to dnf in Fedora, as I am always mixing them up. I do not do SL server anymore due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1353423 I instead have switched to Fedora Servers. Both have their issues. I find Fedora Servers more stable. And if RHEL won't run on a C236 chipset, then it beside the point which is better. And RH refuses to help. I get it. Open Source's economic model is to give the software away for free and charge for the maintenance. And since I can not put them on my payroll, it is a no win situation.
Re: How do I access mtp from the command line?
On 10/06/2017 03:11 PM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: ou can use fuse-based mtp implementation; it will allow you to mount your device into filesystem and use whatever tools you like. E.g. simple-mtpfs works (you can rebuilt srpm from Fedora or get it straight from sourcehttps://github.com/phatina/simple-mtpfs). Install libmpt-examples (for mpt-detect) and simple-mtpfs and do something like Nux! has it! $ dnf --enablerepo=* whatprovides simple-mtpfs ...| 2.6 kB 00:00 simple-mtpfs-0.2-3.el7.nux.x86_64 : Fuse-based MTP driver Repo: nux-dextop Yippee!
Re: How do I access mtp from the command line?
On 10/06/2017 03:11 PM, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: Hi ToddAndMargo! On 2017.10.06 at 14:51:30 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote next: http://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/libmtp-1.1.13-1.el7.x86_64.rpm reference bug in RHEL: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288 Krusader will not recognize my wife's tablet. But Thunar does as mtp://[usb:002,010] Question: how do I access mtp://[usb:002,010] from the command line? You can use fuse-based mtp implementation; it will allow you to mount your device into filesystem and use whatever tools you like. E.g. simple-mtpfs works (you can rebuilt srpm from Fedora or get it straight from source https://github.com/phatina/simple-mtpfs). Install libmpt-examples (for mpt-detect) and simple-mtpfs and do something like sudo mtp-detect sudo simple-mtpfs -o allow_other,direct_io /home/user/Kindle after you're done, unmount with "fusermount -u /home/user/Kindle" If you are going to read/write huge files like movies, make sure you got plenty of space in /tmp or redefine TMPDIR, otherwise the operation will fail (MPT doesn't operate on whole files so it needs space to store chunks which will be assembled to real files). Thank you!
Re: Weird curl, Firefox issue
On 09/20/2017 10:26 AM, R P Herrold wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote: https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk Any idea why I can get to the right web site with Firefox, but not curl? $ curl -L -vvv http://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk/ -o eraseme.html lynx notes there is "** bad HTML **" getting there during one of the 3xx redirects -- Russ herrold Hi Russ, I see it. Thank you! Bad HTML: SELECT end tag not within FORM element * Entering HText_setLastOptionValue: value:"æ¥æ¬èª ", checked:off HText_setLastOptionValue: LAST_ORDER value="æ¥æ¬èª" val_cs=43 "utf-8" (submit_val_cs 43 "utf-8") submit_value="http://support.kaspersky.co.jp/; -T
Re: Weird curl, Firefox issue
On 09/19/2017 07:09 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk
Any idea why I can get to the right web site with
Firefox, but not curl?
$ curl -L -vvv http://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk/ -o
eraseme.html
Sends me to what looks a lot like:
https://support.kaspersky.com
Many thanks,
-T
https on the curl makes no difference.
This might help
$ curl -L -vvv https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk/ -o
eraseme.html
% Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time
Current
Dload Upload Total SpentLeft
Speed
0 00 00 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:--
--:--:-- 0* About to connect() to support.kaspersky.com port 443 (#0)
* Trying 4.59.181.216...
0 00 00 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01
--:--:-- 0* Connected to support.kaspersky.com (4.59.181.216) port
443 (#0)
* Initializing NSS with certpath: sql:/etc/pki/nssdb
* CAfile: /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
CApath: none
* SSL connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
* Server certificate:
* subject: CN=support.kaspersky.com,OU=IT,O=AO Kaspersky
Lab,L=Moscow,ST=Moscow,C=RU
* start date: Jul 06 00:00:00 2017 GMT
* expire date: Mar 31 23:59:59 2018 GMT
* common name: support.kaspersky.com
* issuer: CN=thawte SSL CA - G2,O="thawte, Inc.",C=US
> GET /viruses/rescuedisk/ HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> Host: support.kaspersky.com
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
< Location: http://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk?qs=on
< Server:
< Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000; includeSubDomains
< X-Server: can1/
< Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:12:36 GMT
< Content-Length: 176
<
* Ignoring the response-body
{ [data not shown]
100 176 100 1760 0 91 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 --:--:--
91
* Connection #0 to host support.kaspersky.com left intact
* Issue another request to this URL:
'http://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk?qs=on'
* Found bundle for host support.kaspersky.com: 0x1b0bfd0
* About to connect() to support.kaspersky.com port 80 (#1)
* Trying 4.59.181.216...
* Connected to support.kaspersky.com (4.59.181.216) port 80 (#1)
> GET /viruses/rescuedisk?qs=on HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> Host: support.kaspersky.com
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
< Location: https://support.kaspersky.com/?qs=on
< Server:
< Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000; includeSubDomains
< X-Server: can1/
< Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:12:36 GMT
< Content-Length: 159
<
* Ignoring the response-body
{ [data not shown]
100 159 100 1590 0 76 0 0:00:02 0:00:02 --:--:--
76
* Connection #1 to host support.kaspersky.com left intact
* Issue another request to this URL: 'https://support.kaspersky.com/?qs=on'
* Found bundle for host support.kaspersky.com: 0x1b0bfd0
* Re-using existing connection! (#0) with host support.kaspersky.com
* Connected to support.kaspersky.com (4.59.181.216) port 443 (#0)
> GET /?qs=on HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> Host: support.kaspersky.com
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
< Cache-Control: private
< Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
< Server:
< Set-Cookie:
ClientRouteNewSupport=c8856789222135debe213c4fcd0dc1a981a892f69320972c7f12300e27e5e763;Path=/;Domain=support.kaspersky.com
< X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
< X-Powered-By: Kaspersky Labs
< X-Server: can1/TRT1
< X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block
< X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
< X-Powered-By: Kaspersky Labs
< Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000; includeSubDomains
< Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:12:36 GMT
< Content-Length: 72525
<
{ [data not shown]
100 72525 100 725250 0 31194 0 0:00:02 0:00:02 --:--:--
31194
* Connection #0 to host support.kaspersky.com left intact
--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~
Weird curl, Firefox issue
Hi All, https://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk Any idea why I can get to the right web site with Firefox, but not curl? $ curl -L -vvv http://support.kaspersky.com/viruses/rescuedisk/ -o eraseme.html Sends me to what looks a lot like: https://support.kaspersky.com Many thanks, -T
Re: software raid after the fact?
On 08/23/2017 05:57 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:46:32AM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: Is there a way to create software raid 1 after the fact? Meaning, you already installed SL on a stand alone drive. Yes, in the nutshell: Hi Konstantin, That was above and beyond the call of duty! THank you so much! -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/20/2017 12:51 AM, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 08/17/2017 03:52 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 17/08/17 06:30, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, SL 7.3 firefox-55.0.2.x64.tar.bz2 tar.bz2? Is this a downloaded from Mozilla? yup. I have to be up to date, as I support multiple Windows customers and they all all up to date. Scientific Linux 7.2 (RHEL clone) $ cat /etc/redhat-release: Scientific Linux release 7.3 (Nitrogen) uname -r: 3.10.0-693.1.1.el7.x86_64 I just ran an update on Scientific Linux 7.3. Firefox will no longer start, including safe mode or the profile manager. Firefox goes straight through to the crash reporter. ...... Any words of wisdom? In the mean time, is there a way to tell YUM to uninstall yesterday's updates? You can "rollback" and "undo" "yesterday's" (Wednesday's ?) updates with the "yum history" command *if the history_record config option has been set (I don't know whether or not it is set by default)*. If not, the packages updated with dates are listed in /var/log/yum.log - you could downgrade them explicitly, though the log doesn't (on SL6) record the replaced version number so you would have to find those some other way. -- Andrew C AitchisonCambridge,UK Thank you! -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/16/2017 09:30 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Follow up. I temporarily went back to the RPM whist I troubleshoot the pre-compiled binary. I also install Chromium (man it is weird). I also reported the problem to the Mozilla Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392014 Thank you all for your help and suggestions! -T
Chromium won't install extensions
Hi All, Google is failing me here. chromium.x86_64 0:60.0.3112.101-2.el7 When I try to install an extension into Chromium, I get Could not install package: 'ERROR_RE_ENCODING_THEME_IMAGE' RELOAD CLOSE Any words of wisdom? -T
Re: software raid after the fact?
On 08/18/2017 12:50 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 18/08/17 20:58, ToddAndMargo wrote: In case anyone is wondering, to get your status: # cat /proc/mdstat Look for "U"'s to make sure each drive is "up" I also recommend: # mdadm --detail /dev/$MD_NAME That will give you a more human readable overview, with more parsed details. I love it. Thank you! # mdadm --detail /dev/md126 /dev/md126: Container : /dev/md/imsm0, member 0 Raid Level : raid1 Array Size : 1855870976 (1769.90 GiB 1900.41 GB) Used Dev Size : 1855871108 (1769.90 GiB 1900.41 GB) Raid Devices : 2 Total Devices : 2 State : active Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 0 Spare Devices : 0 UUID : 8a24242c:7643b5eb:b3d1c42a:ce718205 Number Major Minor RaidDevice State 1 800 active sync /dev/sda 0 8 161 active sync /dev/sdb --
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/19/2017 03:26 AM, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 08/17/2017 01:03 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 17/08/17 18:33, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 08/17/2017 09:23 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Mozilla Firefox 55 source tarball Yes I do. All bugs and security flaws frozen in place for those that don't like to upgrade their software and those that get tired of having to respin an RPM every month or so due to the rapid pace of Firefox's development. EL Linux is an anti-Kaisen OS and Red Hat gets CRABBY about having to update things and often does not. Red Hat are fairly quick at releasing the six-weekly updates to ESR - IIRC 2 days after Mozilla for 52.3 (SL took almost a week after that). I never meant to say they did not. I meant to say they can be crabby and drag their feet at times. The few times I asked them about this or that exploit they had not fixed, they were a bit rude and refused. shouldn't you be paying Red Hat and keeping uptodate with their recommendations. My office is not PCI compliant, as I do not take credit cards. A check or cash will do fine. In 22 years of ding this I have only been asked to take a credit card three times. One of them solved the issue by writing me one of those weird credit card checks that comes with your credit card statement. The PCI compliant locations are at customer sites. And they are all Windows based. Windows is a truly awful operating system, especially now that Windows 10 has hit. But since small business has no access to business app on Linux (quick book, etc.), they are stuck with Windows. M$ has won the Applications War. It doesn't matter how bad an OS runs, if you can't run you apps on a better OS, you are stuck with M$. My opinion, the customer doesn't care what his app run on . They just have to run. Point of Sale systems, especially those that take credit cards, are really foolish to run on Windows, but there are no alternatives for small business. It is what it is. I personally do not think PCI actually help all that much with security. It does a little; sometimes a lot when they customer is really flaky. It is mainly a paper chase to keep the lawyers at bay. I had a lady who was set up with a stand alone card reader last week figure out how to get her non-PCI compliant POS software on her non-PCI compliant computer on her non-PCI compliant network to take credit cards. It was easier than using the compliant terminal. When her boss get back from vacation, we are going to have "a talk". (The software vendor said he could switch the feature off if we wanted him to.) More significantly, perhaps you shouldn't run a browser (or a mail reader) on the same machine as the credit-card handling ... That would be wonderful. But, since the customer has to check all kinds of business posting on the eMail and social media, as well as their cloud based time card ... I think you get the idea. They are pretty good about not doing anything except business and I know this to be a fact as my FIM (File Integrity Monitoring) software rats them out if they do. (And yes, their managers have had "stern" conversation when they are caught playing video poker on their machines.) The solution would be to have an off POS (Point of Sale) network leg computer for that kind of stuff, but the POS software have to send eMail and its cost a second computer and and and ... (I try, but they don't listen.) Until I get this figured out, I have been using weird old Midori. Maybe I will go to the dark side and install Chromium Do you know anyway to uninstall the recent updates that caused this? I'd try yum downgrade firefox-52.2.0 or yum downgrade firefox-45.8.0 That would work for me. But I am not on the RPM for firefox. The reason being that I support Firefox on bazillions of customer over two counties. I need to see what they see. I suppose I could temporarily run on the RPM and troubleshoot the tar ball from its own directory until I get it fixed. (You just untar it and run it directly from directory it creates.) Thank you for the help! Sorry for the rambling. -T
Re: software raid after the fact?
On 08/18/2017 11:56 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > On 8/18/2017 1:46 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:>> Hi All, >> >> Is there a way to create software raid 1 after the fact? >> Meaning, you already installed SL on a stand alone drive. >> >> -T > On 08/18/2017 11:44 AM, Betts, Wayne wrote: Hello T, I have successfully used a utility called Raider a couple of times: http://raider.sourceforge.net/ It is proof that what you want to do can be done. Read the README, which is not terribly long. I don't remember the details of the systems used it on, but I recall being impressed at the details it handled. Everything it does can be done by hand with various core utilities (which is what raider uses anyway) and it isn't terribly hard to understand, but Raider handles a lot of the details automatically, making the process less error-prone than trying to go through everything by hand. While it is possible to use Raider on a live, fully functioning system to minimize downtime (other than a necessary reboot), you can and often should run Raider in single-user mode. There is a power down to physically swap disks and boot from the new degraded array(s), after which the new RAID array(s) begin syncing. Of course, it is strongly recommended that you first clone the disk (or at least make a remote backup of any important files) with a utility you trust and are familiar with. (I often use Clonezilla, but there are a lot of options for this.) -Wayne Thank you! In case anyone is wondering, to get your status: # cat /proc/mdstat Look for "U"'s to make sure each drive is "up"
Re: software raid after the fact?
> On 8/18/2017 1:46 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:>> Hi All, >> >> Is there a way to create software raid 1 after the fact? >> Meaning, you already installed SL on a stand alone drive. >> >> -T > On 08/18/2017 11:44 AM, Betts, Wayne wrote: Hello T, I have successfully used a utility called Raider a couple of times: http://raider.sourceforge.net/ It is proof that what you want to do can be done. Read the README, which is not terribly long. I don't remember the details of the systems used it on, but I recall being impressed at the details it handled. Everything it does can be done by hand with various core utilities (which is what raider uses anyway) and it isn't terribly hard to understand, but Raider handles a lot of the details automatically, making the process less error-prone than trying to go through everything by hand. While it is possible to use Raider on a live, fully functioning system to minimize downtime (other than a necessary reboot), you can and often should run Raider in single-user mode. There is a power down to physically swap disks and boot from the new degraded array(s), after which the new RAID array(s) begin syncing. Of course, it is strongly recommended that you first clone the disk (or at least make a remote backup of any important files) with a utility you trust and are familiar with. (I often use Clonezilla, but there are a lot of options for this.) -Wayne Thank you!
software raid after the fact?
Hi All, Is there a way to create software raid 1 after the fact? Meaning, you already installed SL on a stand alone drive. -T
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/17/2017 01:03 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 17/08/17 18:33, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 08/17/2017 09:23 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Mozilla Firefox 55 source tarball The latest is 52 in sl-testing: firefox-52.3.0-2.el7_4.i686 : Mozilla Firefox Web browser Repo: sl-testing I have to be up to date, especially with me doing PCI (credit card) consulting. SL has really become a bad match for what I am doing. I really should be on a Kaisen OS not a an anti-Kaisen OS, but I can not afford the cost of an upgrade to Fedora at the due to the never ending recession. So I mumble a lot. You do realise that firefox-52 packaged for SL7 is the Firefox ESR edition? <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/> Yes I do. All bugs and security flaws frozen in place for those that don't like to upgrade their software and those that get tired of having to respin an RPM every month or so due to the rapid pace of Firefox's development. EL Linux is an anti-Kaisen OS and Red Hat gets CRABBY about having to update things and often does not. Even though it's a while since I've looked at the PCI-DSS stuff; but I do not ever recall it requiring specific versions of software. I required that you be up to date on all your software. On the Windows side, I run Kaspersky's "vulnerability Scan" which looks at all your installed software and lets you know what is out of date (Acrobat Reader, Java, Firefox, Java, etc.). Without Kaspersky. I'd have to go through each program one at a time, which is pain in the neck. I do remember it saying something about running up-to-date OS and applications though. Firefox ESR releases are the browser equivalent to "Enterprise Linux". So ESR releases should really fit the bill for PCI-DSS. On an EL Linux install only. On Windows, no one will put up with all the bugs and missing features. This is why I have to stay current. The ESR would probably get you off the hook liability wise, but since PCI is not about security, but rather about liability shifting, if you get hacked, the lawyers could make a case that you knowingly used a version of Firefox with know security flaws. The lawyers are trying to make the case that you should have to pick up the financial liability for all the costs of the breach. It could be argued back that the ESR slipstreams security patches into its release, but it would be counter argues that in reality, they seldom do. Until I get this figured out, I have been using weird old Midori. Maybe I will go to the dark side and install Chromium Do you know anyway to uninstall the recent updates that caused this?
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/17/2017 09:23 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Mozilla Firefox 55 source tarball The latest is 52 in sl-testing: firefox-52.3.0-2.el7_4.i686 : Mozilla Firefox Web browser Repo: sl-testing I have to be up to date, especially with me doing PCI (credit card) consulting. SL has really become a bad match for what I am doing. I really should be on a Kaisen OS not a an anti-Kaisen OS, but I can not afford the cost of an upgrade to Fedora at the due to the never ending recession. So I mumble a lot.
Re: Firefox crashes start up
On 08/17/2017 03:52 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 17/08/17 06:30, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, SL 7.3 firefox-55.0.2.x64.tar.bz2 tar.bz2? Is this a downloaded from Mozilla? yup. I have to be up to date, as I support multiple Windows customers and they all all up to date. Scientific Linux 7.2 (RHEL clone) $ cat /etc/redhat-release: Scientific Linux release 7.3 (Nitrogen) uname -r: 3.10.0-693.1.1.el7.x86_64 I just ran an update on Scientific Linux 7.3. Firefox will no longer start, including safe mode or the profile manager. Firefox goes straight through to the crash reporter. Running ff from the command line gives: (firefox:19909): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion 'object->ref_count > 0' failed ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 20002 Any words of wisdom? If you're trying to run a Firefox binary not built for EL7, that build may depend on a glib2 library version not being available on the EL7 system. The GLib-GObject reference indicates ABI incompatibilities, and that is related to glib2. You will most likely have far better success by downloading the latest firefox src.rpm (yumdownloader --source firefox) and download the Mozilla Firefox 55 source tarball. Unpack the source RPM, replace the source tarball with the one from Firefox (including updating firefox.spec with proper versions and source references) and do a mock build. It'll compile for quite some time (beefy hardware helps, with CPU power, lots of RAM and fast harddrives). Then try to install the freshly built x86_64.rpm. That may be what I have to do. In the mean time, is there a way to tell YUM to uninstall yesterday's updates? Thank you for the help! -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: freeze at irq16
On 08/05/2017 04:11 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 05/08/17 09:18, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 08/01/2017 11:17 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Twice now in a month, on booting up my SL 7.3 computer, after entering my LUKS passphrase, it freezes at "Disabling IRQ 16". alt> doesn't do a thing. Everything is frozen. The one fingered reset works. Am I starting to lose my motherboard or is this a "feature" of 7.3? Many thanks, -T I tried adding "irqpoll" to my kernel run line (grub.cfg). After rebooting, I noticed that right after "Disabling IRQ16", I got an "irq18 nobody cares (try booting with irqpoll option)". Then it ran for a bit and OH NO "Kernel panic: CPU 4 PID 0 comm: swapper/4 tainted" and my keyboard's light started flashing. The kernel panic reproduced twice before I removed "irqpoll" and I was able to boot again. Did this tell us something? Have you looked into the BIOS/UEFI settings in regards to which devices uses IRQ 16 or IRQ 18? What kind of motherboard is it? My motherboard is a Supermicro X8SAX http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/X58/X8SAX.cfm I will have to ask supermicro what those two IRQs are for. -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Do we have a bug reporter?
Does SL have a bugzilla, a does CentOS?
Re: freeze at irq16
On 08/01/2017 11:17 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Twice now in a month, on booting up my SL 7.3 computer, after entering my LUKS passphrase, it freezes at "Disabling IRQ 16". alt> doesn't do a thing. Everything is frozen. The one fingered reset works. Am I starting to lose my motherboard or is this a "feature" of 7.3? Many thanks, -T I tried adding "irqpoll" to my kernel run line (grub.cfg). After rebooting, I noticed that right after "Disabling IRQ16", I got an "irq18 nobody cares (try booting with irqpoll option)". Then it ran for a bit and OH NO "Kernel panic: CPU 4 PID 0 comm: swapper/4 tainted" and my keyboard's light started flashing. The kernel panic reproduced twice before I removed "irqpoll" and I was able to boot again. Did this tell us something?
freeze at irq16
Hi All, Twice now in a month, on booting up my SL 7.3 computer, after entering my LUKS passphrase, it freezes at "Disabling IRQ 16". alt> doesn't do a thing. Everything is frozen. The one fingered reset works. Am I starting to lose my motherboard or is this a "feature" of 7.3? Many thanks, -T -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that.
Re: Coming soon to EL Linux!
On 07/23/2017 06:22 AM, Lars Behrens wrote: Working with both Fedora 25 and 26 last week, I noticed that if I copy something to the clipboard from a program and then exit the program that the clipboard is not lost. Yippee! That X11 "feature" drives me nuts! Are you using a clipboard application like clipit or xcfe4-clipman? If so, you usually can adjust that behaviour there. Cheerz, Lars Hi Lars, The ones I have used always cause some other problem somewhere else, like killing my ability to paste images into Thunderbird, yada, yada, yada. I have always had top pull them back out. But thank y for the tip anyway. -T
Coming soon to EL Linux!
Hi All, What goes on in Fedora eventually winds up in EL Linux. Well, maybe not "eventually". It may take a while, a long while. Working with both Fedora 25 and 26 last week, I noticed that if I copy something to the clipboard from a program and then exit the program that the clipboard is not lost. Yippee! That X11 "feature" drives me nuts! Eventually, maybe we will get the fix. Well, maybe in the year 2238. :-) -T
Re: EXT: reiserfs?
On 07/14/2017 07:40 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I am going to rerun it and see it I can change it to ext2 or xfs. Stinker won't let you change it. Is there a way to read reiserfs in SL 7.3?
Re: EXT: reiserfs?
On Jul 14, 2017, at 8:04 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: Hi All, I need to read a reiserfs partition on a flash drive. Any words of wisdom? -T On 07/14/2017 07:20 PM, Hinz, David (GE Healthcare) wrote: > An interesting choice. Why? Not my choice. It is the Knoppix live usb creator's doing. I am going to rerun it and see it I can change it to ext2 or xfs. I don't remember see that the first time through.
Re: 7.5?
On 07/12/2017 03:50 PM, David Sommerseth wrote: So this is part of why they don't rush out a fix. Reported under 7.2, slated for 7.5. H. There is a difference between being careful and procrastinating
Re: 7.5?
On 07/12/2017 01:56 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: What I have been doing is slowing moving everything over to Fedora (26 just came out). Fedora is the other end of the double edged sword. You get all the new bugs introduced with new revisions. Weyland for instance. So the 64 thousand dollar question is, which is worse: old stuff with frozen bugs or new stuff with the old bugs fix and new ones introduced. So far, since they do fix bugs in Fedora on a somewhat timely manner, Fedora is the winner with RHEL being about 10 times more aggravating, especially since my office computers doubles as servers and workstations (LibreCAD and all). -- ~~~ Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. Screen. Mind. Both are blank. ~~~
Re: 7.5?
2017-07-12 21:44 GMT+03:00 ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>: Hi All, On a previous post, I was asked why I was always asking about releases. I responded that Red Hat would fix my bugs, but slate them for future editions. Here is an example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288#c14 "It's currently planned for 7.5." It was reported under 7.2. They have fixed it, but won't release it until 7.5. I do sincerely appreciate them fixing bugs, but the delays involved are something to behold. When I asked them if there was some workaround till them, there response was: "The best way would be to contact your support representative, who'll then guide you through the possible options." And I clearly stated I was coming from the community. The "double edged sword" of EL Linux can be a real pain in the neck at times: stability by freezing packing versus aggravation for not fixing bugs in those frozen packages. EL Linux defeats the purpose of Kaizen (continual improvement). EL Linux is still a good package though, despite its aggravations. -T On 07/12/2017 01:13 PM, Oleg Sadov wrote: > A possible solution -- creating of your own respin and support the > parallel branches of packages that you corrected, before fixing them > by the TUV. For example, in our SL respin -- NauLinux we supported our > own branches of kernel and Evolution (corresponded to upstream > updates) about half a year until TUV repaired the bugs which we > described in RH bugzilla, just because it was important for our users. > Unfortunately, it is over my head. :'( What I have been doing is slowing moving everything over to Fedora (26 just came out). I am working on my second Fedora server this afternoon for a customer. RHEL doesn't work on the C236 chipset. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1353423 They won't work on the issue as they don't have the hardware. I gave them Supermicro's phone number to ask for some. Supermicro will assist big companies with those issues. But Red Hat did not bother. And since the Server I am buildig today is a real close match, I offered to run whatever tests on it that they liked before installing Fedora. THEY GOT CRABBY WITH ME. There is something weird about Red Hat lately. It is getting harder to get them to fix anything and they get CRABBY about it. -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
abrt message?
Hi All, SL 7.3 Whenever I "su" to root, I get this message. ABRT has detected 1 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list --since 1499813517 # abrt-cli list --since 1499813517 id cb5d0f1321370b5113631236cf6788374b5508ac reason: file-roller killed by SIGSEGV time: Tue 11 Jul 2017 10:12:47 PM PDT cmdline:/usr/bin/file-roller '/tmp/mozilla_tony0/Part 1-2.2' package:file-roller-3.14.2-10.el7 uid:500 (todd) count: 1 Directory: /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2017-07-11-22:12:47-31925 File-roller seems to be running fine. I use it a lot. Is this anything to be concerned about? Many thanks, -T
Re: tip: Secondary Selection clipboard
On 06/20/2017 01:38 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, I have been using UNIX and Linux for over 25 years and did not realize X11 has four clipboards. I recently discovered the Secondary Selection keyboard. It really saves a bunch of time when I am programming as I don't lose my cursor's hot spot. Here is a great 8 minute video demonstrating all four clipboards. It is must learn for anyone using Linux. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl/Secondary-Selection.mp4 To support this clipboard, your program has to use the GTK Toolkit. -T I just tested the secondary selection clipboard in Fedora 26 Beta. It is not working. Rats! -T
Did your SANE get really slow?
Hi All, SL 7.2 fast bugs and rolling Did your scanner suddenly get really slow using xsane and copy? $ rpm -qa xsane xsane-0.999-9.el7.x86_64 -T I prefer the name "Common Unix Scanning System" (CUSS) over SANE. Sort of like "Common Unix Printing System" (CUPS). But, for some unknown reason, the SANE folks don't seem to like it. I wonder what the issue is? :')
Re: Proper forum suggestion?
On 06/26/2017 11:00 AM, Stan Orlov wrote: Greetings, We've just installed Scientific Linux with the hope to migrate some of our solutions from Windows to Linux. I ran into a problem with VNC and posted to this list, but nobody replied to it. I am stuck and really hope to find guidance online. Can anyone suggest a list/forum that would be better suited for such questions? Cheers, Stan Hi Stan, I use Ultra VNC for Windows under Wine to great advantage. There are some Wine quirks, but I get around them. http://www.uvnc.com/downloads/ultravnc.html WARNING: Lots of JUNKWARE !! -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: 7.4
On 06/24/2017 01:51 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: On 24/06/17 02:23, Todd Chester wrote: On 06/23/2017 03:04 PM, Steven Haigh wrote: On Saturday, 24 June 2017 3:32:02 AM AEST ToddAndMargo wrote: On 06/23/2017 07:28 AM, Sean A wrote: Are you all referring to RHEL 7.4 Beta? Given recent history on the past 2 releases, I would put my money on 7.4 GA in Nov. 2017. Scientific probably not until Jan 2018. Just 7.4. When Red Hat Bugzilla notifies me they have fixed something, they say they fixed it in 7.4. The way RH sounds, RHEL is already on 7.4, but I haven't checked. Nope: $ cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 7.3 (Maipo) Sounds to me like RH has lost interest in fixing anything in 7.3 A clarification on how the Red Hat releases and updates work is probably in order. Red Hat have a few Errata categories - depending on how critical and sever an issue is. Important and critical bug fixes are fixed in erratas during the life time of the point releases (7.0, 7.1...7.3). Trivial and minor bug fixes, which does not impact stability, security and such will most commonly be postponed to the next point release. That also includes new features. If something is targeted for the next point release or is put in an errata for the current release is most commonly evaluated and decided on a case-by-case scenario by Red Hat's product manager and the package manager. You may want to enable the fastbugs repository, which will update all packages not been considered important enough for the current main repositories, but still important enough to ship to those who might care. A bit more info: <https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/faq-updates/#updates-how> What you typically will notice when enabling fastbugs, is that the packages required to update from a 7.x with fastbugs to the next point release will be noticeably smaller compared to not having fastbugs enabled. But, you will notice that the updates will often be a bit fewer when the next point release is talking shape and especially after the public betas have been released. That said, important fixes will still flow to the current stable releases where it is needed and supported. Hope this clarified more than added more confusion. Hi David, Thank you for the tutorial! I checked out sl7-fastbugs.repo [sl-fastbugs] ... enabled=1 So I do have it. I haven't seen any of the bugs I reported show up. Then again, RH specifically stated that they release them in 7.4. So, I will have to wait. Aw shucks. -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: 7.4
On 06/23/2017 07:28 AM, Sean A wrote: Are you all referring to RHEL 7.4 Beta? Given recent history on the past 2 releases, I would put my money on 7.4 GA in Nov. 2017. Scientific probably not until Jan 2018. Just 7.4. When Red Hat Bugzilla notifies me they have fixed something, they say they fixed it in 7.4. The way RH sounds, RHEL is already on 7.4, but I haven't checked.
7.4
Hi All, Any rumors on when 7.4 will hit SL? -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Is RH ever going to update Thunderbird?
Hi All, We should be on release 52.0.1. Is Red Hat being hard headed again? Freeze all the bugs in place and call it stable? # cat /etc/redhat-release Scientific Linux release 7.3 (Nitrogen) # rpm -qa thunderbird thunderbird-45.8.0-1.el7_3.x86_64 # yum upgrade thunderbird No packages marked for update $ yum list thunderbird thunderbird.x86_64 45.8.0-1.el7_3 @sl-rolling-security Many thanks, -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Which C hooks go to which clipboard?
On 03/09/2017 10:18 AM, Stephen Isard wrote: On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 00:10:33 -0800, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: there are also more formal references like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/utilities/using-cut-buffers.html https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/selection.html Sorry I pointed you in the wrong direction to start with. Hi Andrew, https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/utilities/using-cut-buffers.html is the ctrl-c/v/x clipboard. But, looking at https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/selection.html He talks a lot about changing the ownership. Is the the mouse over and middle click clipboard (primary)? I may still have the wrong clipboard. Am I missing something? Yes, mouse over and middle click is primary. xclip will let you transfer text between primary and clipboard. For instance, xclip -o -sel clip |xclip -sel p will put the clipboard selection into the primary, from which you can paste it with the middle button, and xclip -o -sel p |xclip -sel clip will put the selection that you have highlighted with the mouse into the clipboard, from which you can ctrl-v it into an openoffice document or whatever. Obviously, you want to give these incantations names or bind them to keys if you intend to use them a lot. Hope that's useful. Stephen Isard Hi Stephen, I am trying to write a module in Perl 6 to do it myself without using xclip. I have the source code for xclip, but I don't read C, so it is a hair puller. What I really need is the right "man pages" for "clipboard" and "primary", so I can write my own inline code. Andrew has pointed me in the right direction. One thing I did get from xclip's code is that he is only checking the first letter of is command line parameters. -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Which C hooks go to which clipboard?
On 03/08/2017 11:43 PM, Andrew C Aitchison wrote:
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Looking at "man XStoreBuffer XFetchBuffer XRotateBuffers",
which clipboard is the ctrl-c/v clipboard ("clipboard")
and which is the mouse over and center click clipboard
("primary")?
Sorry, it seems that those routines are obsolete hangovers from X10 !
https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
seems to be particularly clear;
there are also more formal references like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection
https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/utilities/using-cut-buffers.html
https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window-information/selection.html
Sorry I pointed you in the wrong direction to start with.
Hi Andrew,
No problem! Thank you!
-T
--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~
Which C hooks go to which clipboard?
Hi All,
Looking at "man XStoreBuffer XFetchBuffer XRotateBuffers",
which clipboard is the ctrl-c/v clipboard ("clipboard")
and which is the mouse over and center click clipboard
("primary")?
Many thanks,
-T
--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~
Re: Anyone know a reference to X11's clipboard hooks?
On 03/08/2017 12:59 AM, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, Can anyone point me to a reference to the hooks for reading and writing into both of X11's clipboards? For the cut and paste buffers: man XStoreBuffer XFetchBuffer XRotateBuffers (all the same page) man xcutsel man xclipboard and man XmClipboard might also be useful start points. Thank you! I have been looking for that for days! -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Anyone know a reference to X11's clipboard hooks?
Hi All, Can anyone point me to a reference to the hooks for reading and writing into both of X11's clipboards? Many thanks, -T -- Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that.
Is there a qemu-kvm forum?
Hi All, I have a Windows 10 PE fash drive that won't fully start (stops at the blue window logo before the Annoy Balls start circling). The drive will boot natively. I am stumped. Google is failing me here. Is there a qemu-kvm forum hiding out there somewhere? Many thanks, -T -- ~ I am Windows I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears your screams ~
Re: What does this SELinux command do?
On 02/27/2017 08:06 PM, ~Stack~ wrote: On 02/27/2017 07:29 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1 It allows applications to access the low portions of the kernel memory space. Personally, I can't think of a good reason to allow that. Maybe someone else can? I know I would need a good reason to enable it. ~Stack~ I am thinking "bug" in the program that triggered the warning -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
What does this SELinux command do?
setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1
Re: M.2 drivers?
On 02/12/2017 11:49 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote:
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 04:52:59PM -0800, ToddAndMargo wrote:
I am asking as several motherboards I have looked at only
have one M.2 slot and raid would need two.
I may be misunderstanding here, but I think that if
you need two drives, you need a PCIe carrier to
put them into instead of the M.2 slot.
Maybe I misunderstand for the M.2 slot works.
The best I can tell, on-mobo socket M.2 M-key can be configured
as either SATA (stealing the connection to one of the sata connectors)
or as x1, x2 or x4 PCIe. On the mobos that I have this is controlled
by a BIOS setting (SATA vs PCIe).
In other words, in SATA mode, the M.2 socket is a funny looking SATA
port (combined data and power), while in PCIe mode, it is just a funny looking
PCIe x4 slot.
The "x4" part means the connector has provisions for 4 PCIe "lanes" (in and out signal
"lvds pairs").
Same as with normal PCIe slots, not all PCIe lanes are necessary connected
to anything - quite common are x16 slots wired for 8 lanes, x8 slots wired for
4 lanes
and x4 slots wired for 1 lane. (sometimes you can see how only half of the
connector
has metal pins).
The Intel CPU and chipset ("north bridge") have only so many PCIe lanes
available.
For each motherboard their routing to external devices (network interfaces,
additional SATA interfaces, etc) and to the PCIe slots (and M.2 slots) can
be documented or not. Some mobos allow flexible routing, i.e. "x16 and x16
to 2 PCIe slots, nothing to other slots" or "x8 to every slots", etc.
The actual connectivity can be see in the very small print of "lspci -"
(requires
root permission) - shown is the device capability (number of PCIe lanes
implemented
on the device) and actual connection (how many PCIe lanes are active).
All this seems to be very poorly understood:
I was recently amused to open a few decomissioned professionaly built servers
that had x8 PCIe RAID cards installed in "wired for x4" PCIe slots,
while slots "wired for x8" were empty. Neither the people who build the
machines noticed
this not the people who used them for 10 years ever noticed that the RAID cards
were in the wrong slots.
So I wonder how many people buy super expensive fancy PCIe x4 SSDs for ultimate
performance
only to have them run at x1 speed because the mobo is not setup or wired
correctly.
The bottom line, with your x16 quad M.2 PCIe riser card, you better check that
all 4 M.2 SSDs
are actually connected at x4 speed. (each SSD should show up in "lspci").
Some mobos have better description of PCIe routing than others - read the mobo
manual
very carefully. (read *before* buying, to avoid nasty surprises, like the
USB-connected
network on the RaspberryPi machines).
Thank you for the education. Now I understand!
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Re: M.2 drivers?
On 02/12/2017 08:34 AM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 10:07:01PM -0800, ToddAndMargo wrote: Any of your guys use M.2 drives? Any trouble getting SL7 to boot off them? Yes, we use Kingston (Toshiba) 120GB M.2 SATA SSDs as boot disks. On older machines we use Kingston SV300 plain SATA SSDs. No special problems to report. 0 failures. SMART attributes make sense. (Generally, Kingston (Toshiba) SSDs have good reliability, out of two pagesful of SSDs, in almost 5 years only 2 failures, the very first SSD (SV100) bricked by firmware update, one SV300 turned into a space heater (if powered, heats to more than 50 degC, does not work, internal short in the controller chip. by luck no flames, no fire). Do you use them in RAID One at all? Yes, we have many pairs of SVP200 and SV300 SSDs in RAID1 (linux mdadm). One pair is ZFS RAID1. Why asking? Do you expect linux mdadm raid1 malfunction on SSDs? Hi Konstantin, I am asking as several motherboards I have looked at only have one M.2 slot and raid would need two. I may be misunderstanding here, but I think that if you need two drives, you need a PCIe carrier to put them into instead of the M.2 slot. Maybe I misunderstand for the M.2 slot works. Do you have a favorite PCIe 16x carrier? Socket M.2 M-key is PCIe x4 (or SATA). So this is 4x M.2 carrier? I got some free M.2 carriers (dual M.2, I think) with some ASUS motherboards. But I cannot use them, as we only have SATA SSDs due to excessive cost of PCIe SSDs. Our typical machine configuration is 120GB SSD for system partition, pair of 6 or 8TB HDDs for home and data storage (mdadm raid1). A nightly cron job to rsync backup the SSD contents. (still worried about SSDs bricking themselves). Thank you! -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
M.2 drivers?
Hi All, Any of your guys use M.2 drives? Any trouble getting SL7 to boot off them? Do you use them in RAID One at all? Do you have a favorite PCIe 16x carrier? Many thanks, -T -- ~ I am Windows I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears your screams ~
selinux reports
Hi All, I just noticed I have "SELinux Alert Browser"has 26 reports. Does it do any good to report them? The "report bug" button doesn't seem to do anything. Maybe bugzilla instead? -T -- ~ I am Windows I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears your screams ~
Re: cdrom not white listed ????
On 01/27/2017 12:46 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I just submitted: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1417296 --- Comment #2 from Ademar Reis <ar...@redhat.com> --- Todd, DVD/CDROM passthrough is disabled by design in RHEL7. That's actually what Bug 760885 was tracking and it was correctly fixed (you can see the justification for it there). So unless I'm missing something in your report, things are working as expected and I'm closing this BZ. Feel free to reopen if you have something else to add. -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: cdrom not white listed ????
On 01/23/2017 11:32 PM, Karel Lang AFD wrote: Hi, just quick search reveals quite a lot of things - eg.: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=760885 it says: ' CD-ROM passthrough from to the host to a guest has been disabled in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta for all front ends. QEMU reports "Driver 'host_cdrom' is not whitelisted" in this scenario.' it also says it was fixed .. so maybe was reintroduced? cheers On 01/24/2017 04:42 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/21/2016 04:05 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, SL 7.2 I am drawing a blank on Google here. I am, trying to boot a qemu-kvm virtual machine off of /dev/sr0 (my DVD). But I get the following error Error starting domain: internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: 2016-12-22T00:00:30.330333Z qemu-kvm: -drive file=/dev/sr0,format=raw,if=none,media=cdrom, id=drive-sata0-0-0,readonly=on: could not open disk image /dev/sr0: Driver 'host_cdrom' is not whitelisted "Not whitelisted" What am I doing wrong? Many thanks, -T Anyone? I just submitted: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1417296 -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: cdrom not white listed ????
On 12/21/2016 04:05 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, SL 7.2 I am drawing a blank on Google here. I am, trying to boot a qemu-kvm virtual machine off of /dev/sr0 (my DVD). But I get the following error Error starting domain: internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: 2016-12-22T00:00:30.330333Z qemu-kvm: -drive file=/dev/sr0,format=raw,if=none,media=cdrom, id=drive-sata0-0-0,readonly=on: could not open disk image /dev/sr0: Driver 'host_cdrom' is not whitelisted "Not whitelisted" What am I doing wrong? Many thanks, -T Anyone? -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
perl 6 modules?
Any of you guys program in Perl 6? If so, how did you get your modules to install? Many thanks, -T -- ~ I am Windows I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears your screams ~
Re: I need to add something to my global PATH
On 01/13/2017 06:13 PM, jdow wrote:
On 2017-01-13 17:42, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Google is failing me here. All I get is how to alter the path locally.
I want to add something to the PATH so the EVERYONE see it.
Edit /etc/profile
And one I make the changes, how do I reload the thing without having
to reboot?
That's easy, logout and log back in.
So far as I know you can't do this without the logout. /etc/profile is
read on login. Changing an existing bash instance seems to require
manually fiddling with the PATH environment setting inside the running
bash instance.
{^_^}
Thank you! I used pathmunge inside profile
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I need to add something to my global PATH
Hi All, Google is failing me here. All I get is how to alter the path locally. I want to add something to the PATH so the EVERYONE see it. And one I make the changes, how do I reload the thing without having to reboot? Many thanks, -T -- ~ I am Windows I am the Blue Screen of Death No one hears your screams ~
Re: Perl 6 just hit
On 01/02/2017 01:47 AM, Maarten wrote: I'll just continue with bash before I start with anything else since I just recently started playing around with bash. Hi Maarten, I write it both Bash and Perl5. Bash is wonderful if you are doing a lot of system calls. Bash relies on other programs to do its heavy lifting. And it is stripped down, which I find constraining Perl has unbelievable string capabilities. System calls can be a bit tricky, especially when passing quotes -T
Re: Perl 6 just hit
On 01/02/2017 07:16 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: I write it in -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Perl 6 just hit
On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: there is one for active Perl 6 projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if you really want to rebuild the Perl community. I have found in all my years in this biz that when so called "experts" get arrogant and condescending, it is usually because they don't know what they are doing. The real experts love to talk and talk about what they have learned. Sort of like letting the air out of a compressed air container. There is a Perl 6 mailing list with a bunch of great guys over at http://lists.perl.org/list/perl6-users.html -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Perl 6 just hit
On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux. Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5 programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6 projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if you really want to rebuild the Perl community. These Perl 5 to Perl 6 converters might be of interest to you: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Perl-ToPerl6/ https://github.com/Util/Blue_Tiger/ -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Perl 6 just hit
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote: Hi All, Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7 -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~ On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote: Cool I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6 I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to subroutines. :-) -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Perl 6 just hit
Hi All, Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7 -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
cdrom not white listed ????
Hi All, SL 7.2 I am drawing a blank on Google here. I am, trying to boot a qemu-kvm virtual machine off of /dev/sr0 (my DVD). But I get the following error Error starting domain: internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: 2016-12-22T00:00:30.330333Z qemu-kvm: -drive file=/dev/sr0,format=raw,if=none,media=cdrom, id=drive-sata0-0-0,readonly=on: could not open disk image /dev/sr0: Driver 'host_cdrom' is not whitelisted "Not whitelisted" What am I doing wrong? Many thanks, -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: gui for scp ??
On 12/10/2016 06:27 AM, Lars Behrens wrote: Am 10.12.2016 um 04:25 schrieb ToddAndMargo: Anyone know of a GUI for scp? scp works, but it is a pain in the neck getting everything right on the command line. IMO you should be able to work with your usual filemanager, e.g. Thunar. Just connect with ssh://server-address in the address line, then you can drag'n'drop or cut'n'paste like you are used to. Cheerz, Lars Hi Lars, I have been using this like crazy since you told me about it. Makes my life a lot less stressful. Thank you again! -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: gui for scp ??
On 12/10/2016 06:27 AM, Lars Behrens wrote: Am 10.12.2016 um 04:25 schrieb ToddAndMargo: Anyone know of a GUI for scp? scp works, but it is a pain in the neck getting everything right on the command line. IMO you should be able to work with your usual filemanager, e.g. Thunar. Just connect with ssh://server-address in the address line, then you can drag'n'drop or cut'n'paste like you are used to. Cheerz, Lars Hi Lars, This I did not know! Thunar works. Krusader does not. Thank you! Interesting, Thunar changed ssh:// to sftp:// Thunar even took the alternate port number: server-address:port -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
xsensors is now working in Scientific Linux 7.2 and Xfce 4.12
Hi All, xsensors GUI Failed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108377 Fixed and closed. xsensors is a real treat. You don't have to boot into BIOS to check temperatures and fan speeds. And it is now working in Scientific Linux (RHEL 7.2 clone) and Fedora Core 24. -T Here are my notes on it: xsensors: GUI for motherboard sensors # yum --enablerepo=* install lm_sensors # dnf --enablerepo=* install lm_sensors # yum --enablerepo=* install xsensors # dnf --enablerepo=* install xsensors to set up the sensors to monitor, one time run # /usr/sbin/sensors-detect Then create a launcher for $ xsensors -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
xsensors is now working in Scientific Linux 7.2 and Xfce 4.12
Hi All, xsensors GUI Failed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108377 Fixed and closed. xsensors is a real treat. You don't have to boot into BIOS to check temperatures and fan speeds. And it is now working in Scientific Linux (RHEL 7.2 clone) and Fedora Core 24. -T Here are my notes on it: xsensors: GUI for motherboard sensors # yum --enablerepo=* install lm_sensors # dnf --enablerepo=* install lm_sensors # yum --enablerepo=* install xsensors # dnf --enablerepo=* install xsensors to set up the sensors to monitor, one time run # /usr/sbin/sensors-detect Then create a launcher for $ xsensors -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
How I upgrade Krusader to 2.5.0 on Red Hat
Hi All, In case anyone wants to upgrade Krsuader on Red Hat (RHEL and clones, Fedora), here is what I did. Keep in mind that you will lose all your settings and bookmarks in the upgrade (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371964): 1) download the srpm from https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/krusader/overview/ 2) make sure you have the EPEL repo loaded if your are using RHEL or clones $ su -c "yum install epel-release" 3) install the dependencies $ su -c "yum install qt5-qtbase-devel kf5-kio-devel kf5-karchive-devel kf5-kbookmarks-devel kf5-kcodecs-devel kf5-kcompletion-devel kf5-kcoreaddons-devel kf5-kconfig-devel kf5-kdoctools-devel kf5-ki18n-devel kf5-kiconthemes-devel kf5-kitemviews-devel kf5-knotifications-devel kf5-kparts-devel kf5-solid-devel kf5-ktextwidgets-devel kf5-kwallet-devel kf5-kwidgetsaddons-devel kf5-kwindowsystem-devel kf5-kxmlgui-devel kf5-kguiaddons-devel extra-cmake-modules" 4) rebuild the srpm: $ rpmbuild --rebuild krusader-2.5.0-1.fc26.src.rpm 5) copy over the two rpm's from the rebuild (shows in the text of the rebuild) 6) install the rpm: $ su -c "rpm -Uvh krusader-2.5.0-1.el7.x86_64.rpm" -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "krusader-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to krusader-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to krusader-us...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/krusader-users/a72c3c23-555f-f12b-ffeb-fe42e76abf9e%40zoho.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I need help with a curl command
On 08/30/2016 06:02 AM, Michał Dalecki wrote:
On 30 Aug 2016, at 06:15, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Using "curl" command, how do I generate
https://klamericas.s3.amazonaws.com/files/one/en/kis17.0.0.611en_10755.exe
from
http://usa.kaspersky.com/files/?file=kis=one=en=pu_kiskis_usen
found on
https://usa.kaspersky.com/downloads/purchase/kis-general-license/
Many thanks,
-T
Firefox give me this when I click on the download button:
I can’t see what firefox gives you.
But just using
curl -s
"http://usa.kaspersky.com/files/?file=kis=one=en=pu_kiskis_usen;
-w %{redirect_url}
you can get the url
to download that file just use:
curl $(curl -s
"http://usa.kaspersky.com/files/?file=kis=one=en=pu_kiskis_usen;
-w %{redirect_url}) -O
Regards.
How in the world did you figure that out ??!!
Thank you!!!
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I need help with a curl command
Hi All, Using "curl" command, how do I generate https://klamericas.s3.amazonaws.com/files/one/en/kis17.0.0.611en_10755.exe from http://usa.kaspersky.com/files/?file=kis=one=en=pu_kiskis_usen found on https://usa.kaspersky.com/downloads/purchase/kis-general-license/ Many thanks, -T Firefox give me this when I click on the download button:
Red Hat's new virtualization
Hi All, Will we be seeing any of this? http://www.infoworld.com/article/3111908/virtualization/red-hat-virtualization-4-woos-vmware-faithful.html And does it have anything to do with qemu-kvm? Many thanks, -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
