Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I feel guilty.  I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
> Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
> Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
> wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
> great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
> i'm happy to pay for those channels. 
>
> And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
> just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
> that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
> before--like "the Magnificent Seven"--i check it off the list). Everything 
> from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
> seen "race" films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
> TCMs "Thirty Days of Oscar" (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
> Oscar nominated films).   I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
> from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
> channels take care of that need of mine.
>
>
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
> Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
> trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
> two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
> Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
> days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
> plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
> more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
> still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
> However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
>> I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
>> The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
>> much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
>> but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
>> downloads
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> Keith:
>>
>> Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
>> You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
>> you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
>> rarely use the pay portion.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
>>> I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
>>> sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
>>> prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find 
>>> it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
>>> Boomerange and History and so forth
>>>
>>> Really good system you have, though
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
>>> It's commonly referred to as "antenna service"... the stations you'd 
>>> get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
>>> get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
>>> channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.
>>>
>>> I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
>>> channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
>>> hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
>>> watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
>>> HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
>>> channel 4 is CBS in low-def
>>> channel 4.1 is CBS in HD
>>>
>>> channel 5 is ABC in low-def
>>> channel 5.1 is ABC in HD
>>>
>>> channel 7 is NBC in low-def
>>> channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
>>> channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD
>>>
>>> channel 2 is PBS in low def
>>> channel 2.2 is PBS in HD
>>>
>>> channel 44 is PBS in low def
>>> channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
>>> channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
>>> HD, too. My HDTV found all of these embedded HD channels during auto-
>>> channel-search.
>>>
>>> For the cable channels I don't get, I supplement my cable with 
>>> NetFlix. Everything on the History Channel, Discovery channel

Re: Revisiting VoyagerRe: [scifinoir2] Terry Farrell and DS9 and Becker

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I do not think I disagree about much you said...especially time travel 
stories, borg stories, the catsuit, the heels, I actually resisted the 
lost in space plot, so I understand your perspective about that.  I just 
learned to accept it.  I'm glad you see the Janeway I saw her.  Like 
you,  Tom's obsession with early 20th century and B'lanna's self 
loathing.irritated me to no end.  However, I loved how they got 
together.  They never put that time into relationships on Next Gen.  
However, when it comes to relationships, I have to say that DS9 does it 
best.  Romance, father and son, buddies, girlfriends, adversaries, you 
name it.  what I said about Janeway...possibly an exaggeration - I was 
still caught up in how one dimensional the women in the first trek were 
and how ML king had to convince Nicoles to stay..  Dax, Nerys, and Ro 
are three of the best female characters in Trek, but with the ensemble 
nature of the shows and the fact that they were not the stars, I do not 
think they were as developed as Janeway.  Perhaps that is why Terry had 
to leave.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've always liked parts of Voyager, but felt it was ruined by B&B recycling 
> plots from earlier shows, and adding Seven. I'm not a fan of the "Lost in 
> Space" plot, but it had its moments. I never cared for Tom and B'Lanna. For 
> some reason they got on my nerves, especially when he'd do things like watch 
> ancient TV and eat popcorn or work on his '60s automobile.  and while i got 
> the reasons for B'Lanna's self-hatred, her denial of her Klingon heritage was 
> tiresome to me too. (Maybe I'm projecting against the Blacks I've known over 
> the years who didn't fully embrace their own heritage).  Seven as such was a 
> mistake to me. I hate being manipulated, and her look, the catsuit, the 
> device of a Borg wearing high heels--give me a break.  Tuvok, Chakotay, and 
> Kim were eventually pushed to the back and underused (Hence, Robert Beltran's 
> increasing anger and outspokeness against the showrunners as time passed by).
>
> I will agree that i liked Janeway. She was mother, big sister, captain, and 
> counselor to her people. I liked her strength, her compassion, her ability to 
> have fun There were many good shows in the series. But for every one or two 
> good shows, there were so many duds, so many overused time travel stories, so 
> much over dependency on the Borg, that it never rose beyond a good series.
>
> You mentioned Janeway was the only really realized female Trek character. 
> What about Nerys?
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> Wow, finally someone on the list who can see what I see in Voyager.. 
>> While you guys have been tearing up this show, I've been rewatching it 
>> thinking that before it was the seven of nine show, they were really 
>> doing a lot of work with character development and working to evolve the 
>> story. One of my favorite couples on TV is B'lanna and Tom. They 
>> evolved believably from barely tolerating each other, to a married 
>> couple who really loved each other. Nelix's whose character I found a 
>> mild irritation in the beginning, really evolved. I enjoyed how they 
>> used his relationship with Tuvak to emphasize those changes. They did 
>> three episodes exploring Tuvak's buried emotions that I really enjoyed. 
>> Ironically, they did a great deal of initial work on all of the 
>> characters, except Wang's. But even with him, they worked to develop 
>> his character. I always felt his character was weaker than Kes' and 
>> wondered why they kept him over her. 
>>
>> I know most men have a problem with Janeway, but she was probably the 
>> first real attempt at creating a well developed female character in the 
>> Star Trek universe. I've read articles and interviews which seems to 
>> explain her erratic behavior. I think that like how writers have 
>> struggled with creating realistic minorities on TV, the scifi writers on 
>> Trek struggled with a female captain. I do not think adding 7 of 9 was 
>> a bad idea, but making the show all about her was a mistake. 
>> Unfortunately, all the lessons they should have learned with Janeway 
>> seem to have been tossed aside when they did Enterprise. Hoshi and 
>> t'pol were throwbacks. Most of the time, t'pol did not even seem like a 
>> real Vulcan 
>>
>> Daryle wrote: 
>> 
>>> Now for a temporary digression. When I met Garrett Wang in the Los Angeles 
>>> airport last month, I told him that I didn¹t watch/like Voyager, but that 
>>> my 
>>> wife loved the show. He said he¹d heard that a bit before and asked me why. 
>>> I told him I couldn¹t get over the fact that Janeway got the crew lost and 
>>> that the whole show was about a group of people coming together to fix her 
>>> screw-up. Right. Basically I admitted I hadn¹t seen much of the show but 
>>> made a judgment based on ³Caretaker². He told me to put

Re: [scifinoir2] Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[Daryle]

For a bad review, this makes me WANT to see the movie now more than I did
before.


On 1/18/08 10:53 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Since I posted a good Cloverfield review, I thought I would post a bad
> review as well
> 
> Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
> Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject
> By Richard Corliss
> 
> An explosion shakes the earth. Flames spark through the night sky like
> fireworks. It's either July 4th or Sept. 11th. More like the latter,
> because devastation and hysteria have engulfed lower Manhattan. Then, in
> flash glimpses, we see the cause of the carnage. A scaly tail, long as a
> city block and wide as a boulevard. A furtive figure 25 stories big.
> Whatever the thing is, it's alien, it's odd-looking and it's royally pissed.
> 
> Most horror and monster stories follow a simple format: "What if [insert
> worst thing you can imagine]...?" In the junky, fitfully frightening,
> virally marketed new movie Cloverfield, the "if" is the worst thing you
> can remember. To wit: What if a previously unknown agent of evil were to
> destroy a world-famous New York City edifice? Not the World Trade
> Center, this time, but the Statue of Liberty ‹ the Lady's head is tossed
> like a used beer can onto a lower Manhattan street. And the Statue
> decapitator is not a team of al-Qaeda operatives but a scaly, 300-ft.
> monster, an American Godzilla.
> 
> Instantly you have a million questions. By which I mean: three. 1) Where
> did the creature come from? (The Hudson River? Or the Arctic, thawed out
> by climate change and sent south on tidal currents? Possibly Hoboken?)
> 2) What event roused it from a snooze that may date back to the dinosaur
> era? (Godzilla's rampage across Japan, you'll recall, was the spawn of
> atomic bombs dropped there.) 3) What, exactly, the heck is it?
> 
> Can't say, since the movie ‹ written by Drew Goddard, from an idea by
> producer J.J. Abrams, and directed by Matt Reeves ‹ purports to be a
> video document "retrieved at an incident site formerly known as Central
> Park" (now known as Cloverfield), and is told exclusively from the point
> of view of a few twentysomethings. We know only what they know, see what
> the videocamera sees. I.e., not much.
> 
> They gather at a surprise going-away party for young Rob Hawkins
> (Michael Stahl-David): his gal pal Lily (Jessica Lucas), his on-and-off
> girlfriend Beth (Odette Yustman), his best bud Hud (T.J. Miller) and a
> pretty stray named Lizzy (Marlene Diamond). Early on, Hud is given the
> job of documenting the event with a video camera. The movie spends its
> first 20 mins. introducing you to a bunch of people, most of whom will
> be dead by min. 30. All you have to know: Rob had a brief affair with
> Beth and wants to get back to her; Lily, although nobody hits on her, is
> a definite hottie; Lizzy is the disposable outsider; and Hud is the kind
> of guy who'll tag along to anything, including Armageddon. (Still, you
> have to give Hud credit. He may be running for his life for the 10 hrs.
> of the plot, but he never drops the camera or forgets to point it at the
> creatures that are ready to kill him. The guy's a trouper.)
> 
> They're all meant to be cool, attractive, upmarket young professionals ‹
> Rob has just been promoted to vice president of some company that's
> sending him off to be in charge of Japan ‹ but their behavior is, tops,
> adolescent. The men in attendance clumsily hit on pretty girls they
> don't know; they mope about an old love (Beth) showing up with a new
> guy; they frantically pass along gossip about who's been sleeping with
> whom. A suspicion forms in viewers' minds that Cloverfield has been
> rated PG-13 "for the emotional age of the characters."
> 
> But their behavior is Noel Coward-sophisticate compared to what happens
> when the monster strikes. A horror/sf/disaster movie loses points every
> time you're forced to ask yourself, "Why are they doing something so
> stupid?", and the answer is, "Because they're in a horror/sf/disaster
> movie." And if you thought that Abrams ‹ the creator of Felicity, Alias
> and Lost, and the writer-director of the spiffy if underperforming
> Mission: Impossible III ‹ would produce a horror movie that was not just
> high-concept but high-IQ ‹ you misjudge his faithfulness to a genre
> requiring that, in extremis, people act in a manner that's way below
> their intelligence levels.
> 
> Susan Sontag described horror and science fiction as "the imagination of
> disaster." The innovation is in thinking the unthinkable, not creating
> rounded or even plausible characters. In fact, human idiocy is a crucial
> aspect of a genre that trades in mortal threat. If the characters holed
> themselves away in some safe place, they'd never meet the monster. They
> have to be at risk in order to escape, or get trampled, and for us to
> get a cheap but essential movie thrill.
> 
> Once the monster surf

[scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[B. Smith]

I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
knowledge. They are scared and on the run.

The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.

I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
characters. I actually liked them especially Hud. They seemed like
pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.

I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
77% on Rottentomatoes.com.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since I posted a good Cloverfield review, I thought I would post a bad 
> review as well
> 
> Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
> Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject
> By Richard Corliss
> 
> An explosion shakes the earth. Flames spark through the night sky like 
> fireworks. It's either July 4th or Sept. 11th. More like the latter, 
> because devastation and hysteria have engulfed lower Manhattan.
Then, in 
> flash glimpses, we see the cause of the carnage. A scaly tail, long
as a 
> city block and wide as a boulevard. A furtive figure 25 stories big. 
> Whatever the thing is, it's alien, it's odd-looking and it's royally
pissed.
> 
> Most horror and monster stories follow a simple format: "What if
[insert 
> worst thing you can imagine]...?" In the junky, fitfully frightening, 
> virally marketed new movie Cloverfield, the "if" is the worst thing you 
> can remember. To wit: What if a previously unknown agent of evil
were to 
> destroy a world-famous New York City edifice? Not the World Trade 
> Center, this time, but the Statue of Liberty â€" the Lady's head is
tossed 
> like a used beer can onto a lower Manhattan street. And the Statue 
> decapitator is not a team of al-Qaeda operatives but a scaly, 300-ft. 
> monster, an American Godzilla.
> 
> Instantly you have a million questions. By which I mean: three. 1)
Where 
> did the creature come from? (The Hudson River? Or the Arctic, thawed
out 
> by climate change and sent south on tidal currents? Possibly Hoboken?) 
> 2) What event roused it from a snooze that may date back to the
dinosaur 
> era? (Godzilla's rampage across Japan, you'll recall, was the spawn of 
> atomic bombs dropped there.) 3) What, exactly, the heck is it?
> 
> Can't say, since the movie â€" written by Drew Goddard, from an idea by 
> producer J.J. Abrams, and directed by Matt Reeves â€" purports to be a 
> video document "retrieved at an incident site formerly known as Central 
> Park" (now known as Cloverfield), and is told exclusively from the
point 
> of view of a few twentysomethings. We know only what they know, see
what 
> the videocamera sees. I.e., not much.
> 
> They gather at a surprise going-away party for young Rob Hawkins 
> (Michael Stahl-David): his gal pal Lily (Jessica Lucas), his on-and-off 
> girlfriend Beth (Odette Yustman), his best bud Hud (T.J. Miller) and a 
> pretty stray named Lizzy (Marlene Diamond). Early on, Hud is given the 
> job of documenting the event with a video camera. The movie spends its 
> first 20 mins. introducing you to a bunch of people, most of whom will 
> be dead by min. 30. All you have to know: Rob had a brief affair with 
> Beth and wants to get back to her; Lily, although nobody hits on
her, is 
> a definite hottie; Lizzy is the disposable outsider; and Hud is the
kind 
> of guy who'll tag along to anything, including Armageddon. (Still, you 
> have to give Hud credit. He may be running for his life for the 10 hrs. 
> of the plot, but he never drops the camera or forgets to point it at
the 
> creatures that are ready to kill him. The guy's a trouper.)
> 
> They're all meant to be cool, attractive, upmarket young
professionals â€" 
> Rob has just been promoted to vice president of some company that's 
> sending him off to be in charge of Japan â€" but their behavior is,
tops, 
> adolescent. The men in attendance clumsily hit on pretty girls they 
> don't know; they mope about an old love (Beth) showing up with a new 
> guy; they frantically pass along gossip about who's been sleeping with 
> whom. A suspicion forms in viewers' minds that Cloverfield has been 
> rated PG-13 "for the emotional age of the characters."
> 
> But their behavior is Noel Coward-sophisticate compared to what happens 
> when the monster strikes. A horror/sf/disaster movie loses points every 
> time you're forced to ask yourself, "Why are they doing somethi

[scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[B. Smith]

I have to give one warning, if you are bothered by by shaky camerawork
this might not be the movie for you. One person threw up

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
> big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
> because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
> ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
> knowledge. They are scared and on the run.
> 
> The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
> evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
> some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
> the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.
> 
> I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
> characters. I actually liked them especially Hud. They seemed like
> pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
> thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
> when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.
> 
> I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
> 77% on Rottentomatoes.com.  
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Since I posted a good Cloverfield review, I thought I would post a
bad 
> > review as well
> > 
> > Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
> > Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject
> > By Richard Corliss
> > 
> > An explosion shakes the earth. Flames spark through the night sky
like 
> > fireworks. It's either July 4th or Sept. 11th. More like the latter, 
> > because devastation and hysteria have engulfed lower Manhattan.
> Then, in 
> > flash glimpses, we see the cause of the carnage. A scaly tail, long
> as a 
> > city block and wide as a boulevard. A furtive figure 25 stories big. 
> > Whatever the thing is, it's alien, it's odd-looking and it's royally
> pissed.
> > 
> > Most horror and monster stories follow a simple format: "What if
> [insert 
> > worst thing you can imagine]...?" In the junky, fitfully frightening, 
> > virally marketed new movie Cloverfield, the "if" is the worst
thing you 
> > can remember. To wit: What if a previously unknown agent of evil
> were to 
> > destroy a world-famous New York City edifice? Not the World Trade 
> > Center, this time, but the Statue of Liberty â€" the Lady's head is
> tossed 
> > like a used beer can onto a lower Manhattan street. And the Statue 
> > decapitator is not a team of al-Qaeda operatives but a scaly, 300-ft. 
> > monster, an American Godzilla.
> > 
> > Instantly you have a million questions. By which I mean: three. 1)
> Where 
> > did the creature come from? (The Hudson River? Or the Arctic, thawed
> out 
> > by climate change and sent south on tidal currents? Possibly
Hoboken?) 
> > 2) What event roused it from a snooze that may date back to the
> dinosaur 
> > era? (Godzilla's rampage across Japan, you'll recall, was the
spawn of 
> > atomic bombs dropped there.) 3) What, exactly, the heck is it?
> > 
> > Can't say, since the movie â€" written by Drew Goddard, from an
idea by 
> > producer J.J. Abrams, and directed by Matt Reeves â€" purports to
be a 
> > video document "retrieved at an incident site formerly known as
Central 
> > Park" (now known as Cloverfield), and is told exclusively from the
> point 
> > of view of a few twentysomethings. We know only what they know, see
> what 
> > the videocamera sees. I.e., not much.
> > 
> > They gather at a surprise going-away party for young Rob Hawkins 
> > (Michael Stahl-David): his gal pal Lily (Jessica Lucas), his
on-and-off 
> > girlfriend Beth (Odette Yustman), his best bud Hud (T.J. Miller)
and a 
> > pretty stray named Lizzy (Marlene Diamond). Early on, Hud is given
the 
> > job of documenting the event with a video camera. The movie spends
its 
> > first 20 mins. introducing you to a bunch of people, most of whom
will 
> > be dead by min. 30. All you have to know: Rob had a brief affair with 
> > Beth and wants to get back to her; Lily, although nobody hits on
> her, is 
> > a definite hottie; Lizzy is the disposable outsider; and Hud is the
> kind 
> > of guy who'll tag along to anything, including Armageddon. (Still,
you 
> > have to give Hud credit. He may be running for his life for the 10
hrs. 
> > of the plot, but he never drops the camera or forgets to point it at
> the 
> > creatures that are ready to kill him. The guy's a trouper.)
> > 
> > They're all meant to be cool, attractive, upmarket young
> professionals â€" 
> > Rob has just been promoted to vice president of some company that's 
> > sending him off to be in charge of Japan â€" but their behavior is,
> tops, 
> > adolescent. The men in attendance clumsily hit on pretty girls they 
> > don't know; they mope about an old love (Beth) showing up with a new 
> > guy; they frantically pass along gossip

[scifinoir2] [Fwd: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

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Subject:[SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?
Date:   Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:13:26 -
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169296,00.html 


The Final Cut


  Is Sci-Fi Out of Ideas?


It's supposed to explore the future -- so, columnist Mark Harris
wonders, why is the genre depending so much on old material?

By Mark Harris 

Mark Harris
*Mark Harris*
Mark Harris is a writer and former executive editor of EW

What movie genre is most in need of a savior as the New Year begins? For 
once, the answer isn't the musical: With Tim Burton's arterial-auteurist 
/Sweeney Todd/ splattering audiences nationwide, /Dreamgirls/ and 
/Hairspray/ each topping $100 million in grosses last year, and the 
success of the all-obliterating international multiplatform 
Chiclet-toothed juggernaut that is /High School Musical/, we can finally 
take musicals off the endangered-species list. Instead, let's turn our 
attention to an unlikely candidate for a heart-and-brain transplant: 
science fiction.

Sci-fi is in trouble, though it's not the kind of trouble that can be 
measured at the box office, where it looks as healthy and robust as a T. 
rex must have seemed five minutes before it realized that there was 
nothing left to eat. The genre has been around for as long as the movies 
themselves, and flourished for the last 30 years. The problem is, none 
of the ideas are getting any newer. Scratch that: The problem is, there 
are no ideas.

The season's big movie hit is Will Smith's /I Am Legend/, the third 
screen version of a Richard Matheson novel that was published in 1954. 
In television, fans await the final season of /Battlestar Galactica/, a 
spiffy, politically freighted update of a dopey piece of TV debris from 
1978; they're also anticipating the promised launch of a new series that 
will extend George Lucas' /Star Wars/ franchise into its fourth decade. 
Our most popular sci-fi comic-book movies are based on characters that 
were created more than 40 years ago — or, like /Transformers/, were 
inspired by pieces of plastic manufactured in the 1980s. This Christmas' 
guilty-pleasure DVD indulgence was a multidisc collection of five 
different versions of the 1982 film /Blade Runner/, which is itself 
based on a 40-year-old Philip K. Dick novel. Personally, I'm holding out 
for a SuperPlatinum Deluxe Psychotic Edition, which will arrive in a 
crate containing 47 discs and Ridley Scott himself, who will hang out 
with you and then rewire your home sound system.

If you're truly desperate for a trip down memory lane, you can check out 
/Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem/, another attempt to crossbreed franchises 
that are now, respectively, 29 and 21 years old: In sci-fi terms, this 
is like staging a cage match between Grandma and Grandpa. Even J.J. 
Abrams, whose series /Lost/ (along with /The X-Files/) comes as close to 
a genuinely new idea for sci-fi as any major piece of pop culture in the 
last 20 years, is attempting to reboot the moribund /Star Trek/ for the 
big screen next year. I'm interested in what he'll do with it, but I 
also wish he weren't boldly going where we have all gone so many times 
before.

It's one thing to revere and refresh a genre's history; it's another to 
live obsessively in the past, especially if science fiction's whole 
purpose is to extrapolate elements from today's world to create a future 
we've never imagined. When it comes to spaceships, giant monsters from 
afar, cloning, and robots, we've now been there, done that, remade it, 
added new CGI, seen the director's cut, played the videogame, read the 
fan fiction, and bought the collectibles. Where do we go from here? The 
answer always seems to be that we jump backwards, into the same old Cold 
War/Apollo-mission-era tropes.

Perhaps science fiction needs to be saved from the very people who love 
it the most. Nostalgia for a form can be annihilating to creativity, so 
while its devotees are swamped in their own canon, trying to mine 
now-sacred texts for any new material, I wish a great writer or director 
with no particular affection for the genre would let his imagination 
loose and see what it yields. It happened 40 years ago, when Stanley 
Kubrick, following his own ice-cold muse and his fascination with 
science itself, decided he wanted to create something that ''extended 
the range of science fiction,'' a genre that didn't particularly impress 
him. What nerve! The result was /2001: A Space Odyssey/, which changed 
the game so completely that in movies, the sci-fi genre immediately 
vanished for a few years while everyone surveyed an irrevocably altered 
landscape.

Ideally, sci-fi's next rescuer should be someone whose ideas about the 
future derive from so

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[Justin Mohareb]

On Jan 19, 2008 11:06 AM, B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
>  big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
>  because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
>  ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
>  knowledge. They are scared and on the run.
>
>  The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
>  evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
>  some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
>  the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.
>
>  I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
>  characters. I actually liked them especia lly Hud. They seemed like
>  pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
>  thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
>  when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.
>
>  I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
>  77% on Rottentomatoes.com.

I agree 100% with B's opinion.  The Time reviewer's opinion seems to
just be a lot of excessive crankiness on the reviewer's part; a lot of
"Get those kids off my lawn."

JJ Mohareb

-- 
Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy.
http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[Daryle]

Cranky. Great way to put it. It¹s really silly to criticize the filmmaking
STYLE of Cloverfield, I think, because it¹s a clear example of part of the
new direction film is taking. Again, his review was so cranky and ³hatin¹ on
the youngins² that it really made me interested to see it.


On 1/19/08 1:11 PM, "Justin Mohareb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> On Jan 19, 2008 11:06 AM, B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
>> >
>> > I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
>> >  big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
>> >  because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
>> >  ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
>> >  knowledge. They are scared and on the run.
>> >
>> >  The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
>> >  evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
>> >  some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
>> >  the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.
>> >
>> >  I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
>> >  characters. I actually liked them especia lly Hud. They seemed like
>> >  pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
>> >  thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
>> >  when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.
>> >
>> >  I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
>> >  77% on Rottentomatoes.com.
> 
> I agree 100% with B's opinion.  The Time reviewer's opinion seems to
> just be a lot of excessive crankiness on the reviewer's part; a lot of
> "Get those kids off my lawn."
> 
> JJ Mohareb




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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?]

[Daryle]

Last night I watched "Children Of Men" and "Sunshine". Clearly, "Children Of
Men" is amazing and an example of science fiction done right. "Sunshine"
wasn't horrible. One final script edit and a couple of casting  changes and
it's a pretty good movie.

The problem is that we need to separate Hollywood from "sci-fi". For as much
as we all rag on Star Trek, there have been some pretty damn good Star Trek
novels done over the past 10 years. When original material is introduced --
like Firefly, Earth2, Odyssey 5 or Journeyman, the critics turn their backs
and devote pages and pages to how wack "Bionic Woman" is.

We have to slow down and understand that sci-fi is not (just) Star Wars and
"there's a meteor/monster/50 foot blonde coming to destroy the Earth". There
are PLENTY of ideas. I just read a Steampunk Transformers story. It was
GREAT fun. But in a world where Steven Spielberg is seen as a master of the
genre and nobody's heard of Harlan Ellison -- which is where most of these
critics live -- you won't hear the good stuff, just what  gets  green
lighted.


On 1/19/08 11:42 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Original Message 
> Subject:  [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?
> Date:  Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:13:26 -
> From:  Chris Hayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169296,00.html
> 
> 
> The Final Cut
> 
> 
>   Is Sci-Fi Out of Ideas?
> 
> 
> It's supposed to explore the future -- so, columnist Mark Harris
> wonders, why is the genre depending so much on old material?
> 
> By Mark Harris 
> 
> Mark Harris
> *Mark Harris*
> Mark Harris is a writer and former executive editor of EW
> 
> What movie genre is most in need of a savior as the New Year begins? For
> once, the answer isn't the musical: With Tim Burton's arterial-auteurist
> /Sweeney Todd/ splattering audiences nationwide, /Dreamgirls/ and
> /Hairspray/ each topping $100 million in grosses last year, and the
> success of the all-obliterating international multiplatform
> Chiclet-toothed juggernaut that is /High School Musical/, we can finally
> take musicals off the endangered-species list. Instead, let's turn our
> attention to an unlikely candidate for a heart-and-brain transplant:
> science fiction.
> 
> Sci-fi is in trouble, though it's not the kind of trouble that can be
> measured at the box office, where it looks as healthy and robust as a T.
> rex must have seemed five minutes before it realized that there was
> nothing left to eat. The genre has been around for as long as the movies
> themselves, and flourished for the last 30 years. The problem is, none
> of the ideas are getting any newer. Scratch that: The problem is, there
> are no ideas.
> 
> The season's big movie hit is Will Smith's /I Am Legend/, the third
> screen version of a Richard Matheson novel that was published in 1954.
> In television, fans await the final season of /Battlestar Galactica/, a
> spiffy, politically freighted update of a dopey piece of TV debris from
> 1978; they're also anticipating the promised launch of a new series that
> will extend George Lucas' /Star Wars/ franchise into its fourth decade.
> Our most popular sci-fi comic-book movies are based on characters that
> were created more than 40 years ago — or, like /Transformers/, were
> inspired by pieces of plastic manufactured in the 1980s. This Christmas'
> guilty-pleasure DVD indulgence was a multidisc collection of five
> different versions of the 1982 film /Blade Runner/, which is itself
> based on a 40-year-old Philip K. Dick novel. Personally, I'm holding out
> for a SuperPlatinum Deluxe Psychotic Edition, which will arrive in a
> crate containing 47 discs and Ridley Scott himself, who will hang out
> with you and then rewire your home sound system.
> 
> If you're truly desperate for a trip down memory lane, you can check out
> /Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem/, another attempt to crossbreed franchises
> that are now, respectively, 29 and 21 years old: In sci-fi terms, this
> is like staging a cage match between Grandma and Grandpa. Even J.J.
> Abrams, whose series /Lost/ (along with /The X-Files/) comes as close to
> a genuinely new idea for sci-fi as any major piece of pop culture in the
> last 20 years, is attempting to reboot the moribund /Star Trek/ for the
> big screen next year. I'm interested in what he'll do with it, but I
> also wish he weren't boldly going where we have all gone so many times
> before.
> 
> It's one thing to revere and refresh a genre's history; it's another to
> live obsessively in the past, especially if science fiction's whole
> purpose is to extrapolate elements from today's world to create a future
> we've never imagined. When it comes to spaceships, giant monsters from
> afar, cloning,

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Martin]

Keith, I know what you're saying about your body being configured more for the 
heat than the cold. I have a friend in Virginia who's the same way, and she's 
miserable now that the weather's gone cold. Also can't fathom why I've perked 
up during the same interval. I'm a cold-weather beast. If I ahd the money, I'd 
be living in Iceland or Sweden right now, without a thought.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usu

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?]

[Martin]

Thank you, Tracey, for another great post. For years, I'v ebeeen less and less 
inclined to go to bookstores because the product coming out was increasingly 
alike, lacking originality. I'd even gone so far as to delve into the YA 
section to find good reads. And H'Wood, IMO, has picked up on that lack of 
originality. I admit that I won't be helping the matter, because I'm so fed up 
with H'Wood that I've vowed to myself that if any of my work is made into a 
film, it'll be nimated, and that no name actors will be allowed *near* the 
project. And, to insure such once i'm gone, my work goes to my niece and two 
nephews, with the same caveat firmly applied.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
 Original Message 
Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:13:26 -
From: Chris Hayden 
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169296,00.html 


The Final Cut


Is Sci-Fi Out of Ideas?


It's supposed to explore the future -- so, columnist Mark Harris
wonders, why is the genre depending so much on old material?

By Mark Harris 

Mark Harris
*Mark Harris*
Mark Harris is a writer and former executive editor of EW

What movie genre is most in need of a savior as the New Year begins? For 
once, the answer isn't the musical: With Tim Burton's arterial-auteurist 
/Sweeney Todd/ splattering audiences nationwide, /Dreamgirls/ and 
/Hairspray/ each topping $100 million in grosses last year, and the 
success of the all-obliterating international multiplatform 
Chiclet-toothed juggernaut that is /High School Musical/, we can finally 
take musicals off the endangered-species list. Instead, let's turn our 
attention to an unlikely candidate for a heart-and-brain transplant: 
science fiction.

Sci-fi is in trouble, though it's not the kind of trouble that can be 
measured at the box office, where it looks as healthy and robust as a T. 
rex must have seemed five minutes before it realized that there was 
nothing left to eat. The genre has been around for as long as the movies 
themselves, and flourished for the last 30 years. The problem is, none 
of the ideas are getting any newer. Scratch that: The problem is, there 
are no ideas.

The season's big movie hit is Will Smith's /I Am Legend/, the third 
screen version of a Richard Matheson novel that was published in 1954. 
In television, fans await the final season of /Battlestar Galactica/, a 
spiffy, politically freighted update of a dopey piece of TV debris from 
1978; they're also anticipating the promised launch of a new series that 
will extend George Lucas' /Star Wars/ franchise into its fourth decade. 
Our most popular sci-fi comic-book movies are based on characters that 
were created more than 40 years ago — or, like /Transformers/, were 
inspired by pieces of plastic manufactured in the 1980s. This Christmas' 
guilty-pleasure DVD indulgence was a multidisc collection of five 
different versions of the 1982 film /Blade Runner/, which is itself 
based on a 40-year-old Philip K. Dick novel. Personally, I'm holding out 
for a SuperPlatinum Deluxe Psychotic Edition, which will arrive in a 
crate containing 47 discs and Ridley Scott himself, who will hang out 
with you and then rewire your home sound system.

If you're truly desperate for a trip down memory lane, you can check out 
/Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem/, another attempt to crossbreed franchises 
that are now, respectively, 29 and 21 years old: In sci-fi terms, this 
is like staging a cage match between Grandma and Grandpa. Even J.J. 
Abrams, whose series /Lost/ (along with /The X-Files/) comes as close to 
a genuinely new idea for sci-fi as any major piece of pop culture in the 
last 20 years, is attempting to reboot the moribund /Star Trek/ for the 
big screen next year. I'm interested in what he'll do with it, but I 
also wish he weren't boldly going where we have all gone so many times 
before.

It's one thing to revere and refresh a genre's history; it's another to 
live obsessively in the past, especially if science fiction's whole 
purpose is to extrapolate elements from today's world to create a future 
we've never imagined. When it comes to spaceships, giant monsters from 
afar, cloning, and robots, we've now been there, done that, remade it, 
added new CGI, seen the director's cut, played the videogame, read the 
fan fiction, and bought the collectibles. Where do we go from here? The 
answer always seems to be that we jump backwards, into the same old Cold 
War/Apollo-mission-era tropes.

Perhaps science fiction needs to be saved from the very people who love 
it the most. Nostalgia for a form can be annihilating to creativity, so 
while its devotees are swamped in their own canon, trying to mine 
now-sacred texts for any new material, I wish a great writer or director 
with no particular affection for the genre would let his imagination 
loose and see what it yields. It

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[Martin]

That might let me out...

"B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I have to give one warning, if 
you are bothered by by shaky camerawork
this might not be the movie for you. One person threw up

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
> big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
> because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
> ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
> knowledge. They are scared and on the run.
> 
> The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
> evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
> some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
> the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.
> 
> I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
> characters. I actually liked them especially Hud. They seemed like
> pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
> thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
> when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.
> 
> I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
> 77% on Rottentomatoes.com. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Since I posted a good Cloverfield review, I thought I would post a
bad 
> > review as well
> > 
> > Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
> > Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject
> > By Richard Corliss
> > 
> > An explosion shakes the earth. Flames spark through the night sky
like 
> > fireworks. It's either July 4th or Sept. 11th. More like the latter, 
> > because devastation and hysteria have engulfed lower Manhattan.
> Then, in 
> > flash glimpses, we see the cause of the carnage. A scaly tail, long
> as a 
> > city block and wide as a boulevard. A furtive figure 25 stories big. 
> > Whatever the thing is, it's alien, it's odd-looking and it's royally
> pissed.
> > 
> > Most horror and monster stories follow a simple format: "What if
> [insert 
> > worst thing you can imagine]...?" In the junky, fitfully frightening, 
> > virally marketed new movie Cloverfield, the "if" is the worst
thing you 
> > can remember. To wit: What if a previously unknown agent of evil
> were to 
> > destroy a world-famous New York City edifice? Not the World Trade 
> > Center, this time, but the Statue of Liberty â€" the Lady's head is
> tossed 
> > like a used beer can onto a lower Manhattan street. And the Statue 
> > decapitator is not a team of al-Qaeda operatives but a scaly, 300-ft. 
> > monster, an American Godzilla.
> > 
> > Instantly you have a million questions. By which I mean: three. 1)
> Where 
> > did the creature come from? (The Hudson River? Or the Arctic, thawed
> out 
> > by climate change and sent south on tidal currents? Possibly
Hoboken?) 
> > 2) What event roused it from a snooze that may date back to the
> dinosaur 
> > era? (Godzilla's rampage across Japan, you'll recall, was the
spawn of 
> > atomic bombs dropped there.) 3) What, exactly, the heck is it?
> > 
> > Can't say, since the movie â€" written by Drew Goddard, from an
idea by 
> > producer J.J. Abrams, and directed by Matt Reeves â€" purports to
be a 
> > video document "retrieved at an incident site formerly known as
Central 
> > Park" (now known as Cloverfield), and is told exclusively from the
> point 
> > of view of a few twentysomethings. We know only what they know, see
> what 
> > the videocamera sees. I.e., not much.
> > 
> > They gather at a surprise going-away party for young Rob Hawkins 
> > (Michael Stahl-David): his gal pal Lily (Jessica Lucas), his
on-and-off 
> > girlfriend Beth (Odette Yustman), his best bud Hud (T.J. Miller)
and a 
> > pretty stray named Lizzy (Marlene Diamond). Early on, Hud is given
the 
> > job of documenting the event with a video camera. The movie spends
its 
> > first 20 mins. introducing you to a bunch of people, most of whom
will 
> > be dead by min. 30. All you have to know: Rob had a brief affair with 
> > Beth and wants to get back to her; Lily, although nobody hits on
> her, is 
> > a definite hottie; Lizzy is the disposable outsider; and Hud is the
> kind 
> > of guy who'll tag along to anything, including Armageddon. (Still,
you 
> > have to give Hud credit. He may be running for his life for the 10
hrs. 
> > of the plot, but he never drops the camera or forgets to point it at
> the 
> > creatures that are ready to kill him. The guy's a trouper.)
> > 
> > They're all meant to be cool, attractive, upmarket young
> professionals â€" 
> > Rob has just been promoted to vice president of some company that's 
> > sending him off to be in charge of Japan â€" but their behavior is,
> tops, 
> > adolescent. The men in attendance clumsily hit on pretty girls they 
> > don't know; they mope about an old love 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Martin]

Dang it! Thet-thar's plumb in-con-veen-yent...
   
  Seriously, I guess this displays the need for vetting the people you hire to 
do your work. No doubt, if we were to dig deep enough, we'd find equaly 
embarassing stuff in other campaign offices.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a
KKK organizer.
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
From: Chris de Morsella 
To: Tracey de Morsella 


Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK organizer.
Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.

http://tiny.cc/FmxR1

Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page

http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php

You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in a
delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group Stormfront
and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only


Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't it,




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Re: [scifinoir2] Life After People

[Martin]

I'm chiseled in for this. It's sort of a fond dream...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Thanks for the reminder. I wanted to see that, but forgot about it

brent wodehouse wrote:
> Life After People
>
> >From the site:
>
> http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=57578&display_order=2&mini_id=57517
>
> 'About the Show
>
> 'What would happen to planet earth if the human race were to suddenly
> disappear forever? Would ecosystems thrive? What remnants of our
> industrialized world would survive? What would crumble fastest? From the
> ruins of ancient civilizations to present day cities devastated by natural
> disasters, history gives us clues to these questions and many more in the
> visually stunning and thought-provoking new special LIFE AFTER PEOPLE,
> premiering Monday, January 21st, 2008 at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT on The History
> Channel.
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> ecosystems" complete with birds, rodents and even plant life. One small
> animal might be responsible for bringing down the Hoover Dam hydroelectric
> plant. Swelled rivers, crumbling bridges and buildings, grizzly bears in
> California and herds of buffalo returning to the Great Western Plains: In
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> photos, records would fade quickly, leaving little evidence that we ever
> existed.
>
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> of engineering, botany, ecology, biology, geology, climatology and
> archeology, Life After People provides an amazing visual journey through
> the ultimately hypothetical.
>
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> provides a riveting and emotional case study of what can happen after
> humans have moved on. Life After People goes to remote islands off the
> coast of Maine to search for traces of abandoned towns, beneath the
> streets of New York to see how subway tunnels may become watery canals, to
> the Montana wilderness to divine the destiny of the bears and wolves.
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] 24 to Become 10 and 14?

[Martin]

In other words, Faux/Fixed/Fox takes a page from Skiffy's Playbook?
   
  No thanks. Suspend the season altogether before going there.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  24 to Become 10 and 14?
With the writers strike ongoing, Fox may air the show in two shortened 
seasons.
by IGN Staff
http://tv.ign.com/articles/846/846056p1.html
January 16, 2008 - There's been no official word as to the fate of 24 
ever since the writers' strike began. While the hit series was supposed 
to premiere in January, it was moved to an as-yet undisclosed later 
date, with only eight episodes produced so far for Season 7. Now, TV 
Guide's Michael Ausiello is reporting that the show may return to the 
air in a 10 to 14 episode run in the fall which would tell a complete 
story, and then come back later next spring with another 10 or 14 
episodes that would tell a separate story. Our own sources have also 
confirmed this as a real possibility. These two "mini-seasons" are 
viewed as extreme measures since it affects the show's traditional 
format of airing 24 episodes without interruption. However, as Ausiello 
reported, proponents argue that "these are desperate times."

If 24 were to be completely pushed to next year, that would make it a 
year and a half with no Jack Bauer. And the last season was a dreary 
one, not well liked by fans or critics. In fact, in the run up to the 
aborted premiere of Season 7, the series' creators spent some time 
telling the press (and fans) that they were unhappy with Season 6 and 
planned to do better. With some of the casting news, such as Cherry 
Jones as a woman president, and the return of Tony Almeida, fans are 
eagerly awaiting what promises to be a strong return for Bauer and company.



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Martin]

No, B., I'm slighly different, because I'm still in it.

"B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I can't speak for Martin but I 
had one of those. The stars weren't 
right, she was involved with someone when I was single and vice versa 
and by the time we were both more or less available I had met and 
fell truly, madly, deeply in love with my wife and it was done. 

On the other hand I had a female friend who viewed me in that way but 
I could never feel that way for her. She was a great friend but she 
was like my little sister and I could never cross that line. She 
never understood why and it lead to a bit of a sad ending to our 
friendship.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> okay, now *there's* a story that must be told! Did you have 
a "Chasing Amy" sitch?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Which, IMO, he probably knew about. (Rangers can get intel, we all 
know that.) Still made his unrequited pining all the more poignant. 
I'm sure there are many of us here who've been down that road. I know 
I have.
> 
> "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I didn't think there was any 
doubt about that morning after scene. 
> 
> The confession actually happened before Marcus died. She had 
feelings 
> for Marcus but the whole Talia thing made her more than a little 
> leery of Marcus.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> >
> > Good ones. As for Marcus, he was one of my fav B5 characters, 
with 
> his mix of humour and seriousness. The ep when he risked his life 
> fighting the Minbari who was a member of the warrior caste and 
> Delenn's enemy for a while was great. (He was getting creamed by 
the 
> guy, and when the guy asked Marcus why he persisted, Marcus replied 
> with the creed "We live for the One, we die for the One"). Later, 
> visiting Marcus in his hospital bed, the guy remarked how Marcus 
has 
> taught him the true meaning of being Minbari, and how strange it 
was 
> that a human taught him that. Marcus--through the pain of several 
> broken ribs-- gasps out "The next time you feel the need for a 
> lesson, can you try not making it so painful?" The dude roared with 
> laughter. 
> > 
> > I hated losing him, but props to B5 for shaking up the status quo 
> now and again.
> > 
> > 
> > Oh--all that sacrifice for Ivanova, and she later confesses to 
> D'Lenn that she thinks she loved Talia Winters (the telepath whom 
> Garibaldi loved, who later turned out to be a sleeper agent). 
Indeed, 
> there has been some fan discussion over one ep where Talia had to 
> stay in Ivanova's quarters (or the other way around) and some 
thought 
> there was a moment that suggested it was the "morning after" for 
them.
> > 
> > Whether they got busy or not, it still means Marcus went to bat 
for 
> a woman who batted for the other team??? What a cosmic irony!
> > 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "B. Smith"  
> > I totally agree. 
> > 
> > A couple that got me:
> > 
> > Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel 
and 
> > wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He 
> > pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.
> > 
> > Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his 
> > lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and 
Shepherd
> > > Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
> > > loved those characters so much. The interplay between Zoey 
and
> > > Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
> > > Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
> > > there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry 
on 
> > film
> > > 
> > > Have I mentioned how much I LOOOVVVEEE
> > > Firefly?
> > > 
> > > Bosco
> > > --- Martin  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw 
> it. I
> > > > actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
> > > > remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment 
that 
> I
> > > > had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's 
death
> > > > didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
> > > > watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
> > > > Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as 
> stunning
> > > > as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd 
dealt
> > > > with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved 
> > Joss'
> > > > gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark 
in 
> its
> > > > rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
> > > > reckoning of what happened.
> > > > 
> > > > Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. 
Again.
> > > > 
>

Re: Revisiting VoyagerRe: [scifinoir2] Terry Farrell and DS9 and Becker

[KeithBJohnson]

i always liked Janeway. Never had a problem with her. I thought Mulgrew was 
better for the role than Bujold (who was hired, was filming the first scenes of 
the show, then decided to quit). She did a good job of balancing the strength 
of a captain with the aspects of being a woman, and someone who actually cared 
for her people, not just pushed them around like Captain Jelico from TNG (The 
one who took over when Picard was captured by the Cardasian torturing. He was 
the captain who kept yelling "Get it done!" to Riker).  When times got tough, 
Janeway was always the one to see them through. Indeed, alone among the whole 
crew, she was the one who never lost hope--she and Kim.  At one time or 
another, Chakotay, Tuvok, even Paris, all wanted to give up, settle down in the 
Delta Quadrant, back off from a hopeless task. But it was always Janeway who 
refused to give up hope. Chakotay once told her that her greatest strength--her 
refusal to accept defeat--was also her greatest weakness. This
 was during one of the many times they disagreed over a policy (it was an 
allegiance with either the Borg, the "Scorpions", or that race that liked to 
hunt people).  

and I have to say, Janeway gets too much blame for stranding "Voyager" in the 
Delta Quadrant, both by characters in the show, and by fans. By the very 
interpretation of what Starfleet is, she had no choice but to destroy that 
portal. She couldn't take a chance at letting the marauding Kazon take over the 
Array, and wasn't strong enough to fight them off with just two ships.  Had she 
just fled and left the Ocampa alone, she'd have violated everything she 
believed in. The problem to me is with the writing of that whole plot.  This is 
a 24th Century state-of-the-art starship.  How hard would it have been to fire 
several torpedoes with time-delayed explosions at the Array? Go through, and 
let the torpedoes destroy it a few minutes later. For that matter, they could 
have beamed some sort of explosive devices directly into the Array and done the 
same thing. That writing was weak to me.

But as for the show overall, it never reached anything past "good" .   You know 
how you can read several books by the same author, and the tone becomes too 
repetitive feeling? That's what Voyager felt like to me  With B&B behind it, I 
could predict plot turns, endings, the start of battles, even the specific 
phrases characters would use. I'd often finish sentences for charactes in eps 
I'd never seen before. All the innovative, fresh writing went over to DS9, 
making Voyager pretty much a cookie-cutter show. I also feel they never really 
balanced the promise of the show in terms of the Maquis vs. Federation troops. 
I know on one end you have to say that Chakotay and his gang had to adapt for 
the good of all, but I was expecting more conflict, more times when Chakotay 
would disagree with Janeway. And there was that at times: There was one ep when 
he didn't agree with her, when the whole crew was against her, and Janeway said 
"Then I really am alone". But mostly Chakotay became a parro
t, another typical Federation officer who followed the rules in cookie-cutter 
shows. I found the crew of the "Equinox" intriguing specifically because they 
took the route of rogues and killers, doing what they had to do to get back 
home. Didn't want the Voyager crew to go that far, but in time that  "we're one 
big happy" again just became a retread of the same plots and tone I'd gotten in 
TNG.  Robert Beltran felt much the same. He was very vocal about how his 
character became nothing more than a "yes" man to Janeway, which was not what 
he'd signed on to do.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> I do not think I disagree about much you said...especially time travel 
> stories, borg stories, the catsuit, the heels, I actually resisted the 
> lost in space plot, so I understand your perspective about that. I just 
> learned to accept it. I'm glad you see the Janeway I saw her. Like 
> you, Tom's obsession with early 20th century and B'lanna's self 
> loathing.irritated me to no end. However, I loved how they got 
> together. They never put that time into relationships on Next Gen. 
> However, when it comes to relationships, I have to say that DS9 does it 
> best. Romance, father and son, buddies, girlfriends, adversaries, you 
> name it. what I said about Janeway...possibly an exaggeration - I was 
> still caught up in how one dimensional the women in the first trek were 
> and how ML king had to convince Nicoles to stay.. Dax, Nerys, and Ro 
> are three of the best female characters in Trek, but with the ensemble 
> nature of the shows and the fact that they were not the stars, I do not 
> think they were as developed as Janeway. Perhaps that is why Terry had 
> to leave. 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > I've always liked parts of Voyager, but felt it was ruined by B&B recyclin

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul

[Martin]

George, it used to be that way here. I think that Democrats had it changed 
after Cynthia McKinney got run out of office a few years back, because her 
district, the one I live in, covers most of Dekalb COunty and part of Gwinnett 
County. The former is majority Black (last census, Whites were 8% of the 
population), while Gwinnett is about 89% White. The White voters there, worried 
about the prospects of a maverick like McKinney goign back to D.C. uncontested 
didn't sit well with them, so the majority-GOP voters turned out in droves in 
the primary to vote for McKinney's lesser-known Democratic opponent, a centrist 
DeKalb County judge. McKinney was sent packing.

g123curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  This was changed in 
Massachusetts. You can vote any way you please in 
the Primary on February 5th.

George

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Keith, that also means that we'd have to scrap the voting system as 
is, get rid of voting rules like the one here in Jawja that says that 
you have to be GOP or Dem to vote. The Powers'll never let that fly..
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: back to my feeling we need a true multi-
party system. maybe a small but viable minority could do something to 
get ideals like his better ones out there
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Daryle 
> 
> I've heard a lot of this from early in the campaign, and it's
> amazing to me that the candidate that means me the least good is
> the one I agree with the most out of all the available Republicans.
> 
> What also gets me is how no one takes his good points and runs with
> them. Paul's analysis of the economy is the best of all the
> candidates, in either party. For the reasons described below (as
> well as others), there's no way he's going to get he nomination...
> so why not steal his math homework and look like a genius?
> 
> On 1/17/08 1:15 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
> wrote:
> 
> i missed that, heard him on "Meet the PRess" saying his message had 
wide appeal, and, unfortunately, that included some deemed racists--
but that's not his fault or an indication of any negatives in his 
message.
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: "B. Smith" 
> This story has been around for a while but it finally seemed to 
gain traction when it was published in the New Republic.
> 
> BTW did you see him try to defend himself? According to him Dr. 
King and Rosa Parks were his heroes and this coming out now because 
it would erode the support he was getting from "the blacks."
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Martin]

Can't really say, as I've never seen that movie. I can say that she and I met 
in another group I post in regularly. For about a year and change, we were just 
friends. Then, in the space of one week, when we both were taking serious hits 
in our personal lives, we connected online. 
   
  *Really* connected. Things have since cooled a bit, but she's still around. 
With her wedding ring. 8-O

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  okay, now *there's* a story that must be told! Did you have a "Chasing Amy" 
sitch?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Which, IMO, he probably knew about. (Rangers can get intel, we all know that.) 
Still made his unrequited pining all the more poignant. I'm sure there are many 
of us here who've been down that road. I know I have.

"B. Smith" wrote: I didn't think there was any doubt about that morning after 
scene. 

The confession actually happened before Marcus died. She had feelings 
for Marcus but the whole Talia thing made her more than a little 
leery of Marcus.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Good ones. As for Marcus, he was one of my fav B5 characters, with 
his mix of humour and seriousness. The ep when he risked his life 
fighting the Minbari who was a member of the warrior caste and 
Delenn's enemy for a while was great. (He was getting creamed by the 
guy, and when the guy asked Marcus why he persisted, Marcus replied 
with the creed "We live for the One, we die for the One"). Later, 
visiting Marcus in his hospital bed, the guy remarked how Marcus has 
taught him the true meaning of being Minbari, and how strange it was 
that a human taught him that. Marcus--through the pain of several 
broken ribs-- gasps out "The next time you feel the need for a 
lesson, can you try not making it so painful?" The dude roared with 
laughter. 
> 
> I hated losing him, but props to B5 for shaking up the status quo 
now and again.
> 
> 
> Oh--all that sacrifice for Ivanova, and she later confesses to 
D'Lenn that she thinks she loved Talia Winters (the telepath whom 
Garibaldi loved, who later turned out to be a sleeper agent). Indeed, 
there has been some fan discussion over one ep where Talia had to 
stay in Ivanova's quarters (or the other way around) and some thought 
there was a moment that suggested it was the "morning after" for them.
> 
> Whether they got busy or not, it still means Marcus went to bat for 
a woman who batted for the other team??? What a cosmic irony!
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "B. Smith" 
> I totally agree. 
> 
> A couple that got me:
> 
> Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and 
> wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He 
> pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.
> 
> Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his 
> lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote:
> >
> > I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd
> > Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
> > loved those characters so much. The interplay between Zoey and
> > Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
> > Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
> > there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on 
> film
> > 
> > Have I mentioned how much I LOOOVVVEEE
> > Firefly?
> > 
> > Bosco
> > --- Martin wrote:
> > 
> > > Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw 
it. I
> > > actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
> > > remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that 
I
> > > had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death
> > > didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
> > > watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
> > > Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as 
stunning
> > > as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt
> > > with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved 
> Joss'
> > > gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in 
its
> > > rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
> > > reckoning of what happened.
> > > 
> > > Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > wrote: 
> > > By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
> > > Source: SyFy Portal
> > > Jan-15-2008
> > > 
> > > Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely sticks. In
> > > nearly 
> > > every case, the character eventually gets resurrected, cloned,
> > > replaced 
> > > by an alternate dimension replica, returned by the powers that 
> be,
> > > or 
> > > continue to haunt and entertain as ghostly versions of 
> themselves.
> > > 
> > > On occasion, though, a character dies and

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[KeithBJohnson]

even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible and tragic, but it 
happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits saying "it's too soon". 
Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still mourning their loved ones, and 
whether we do or don't put out thought-provoking, well-written films on it 
isn't going to change their mourning one whit.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded me of a chunk 
of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News, someone who's protesting the 
movie because the apnic scenes evoke memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic 
to viewers.

Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close to a year 
now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone else? Does anyone 
think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm reading it, just another attempt 
at shameless fear-mongering on the part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other 
news service, to the best of my knowledge, has carried this story.)

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Re: [scifinoir2] 24 to Become 10 and 14?

[Martin]

Lookign at this again, I'm aware that, in seasons past, Fox has done just that, 
split the season in almost exactly that format. But I just have the awful 
feeling that Fox will find a way to screw that up.

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  In other words, Faux/Fixed/Fox takes 
a page from Skiffy's Playbook?

No thanks. Suspend the season altogether before going there.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
24 to Become 10 and 14?
With the writers strike ongoing, Fox may air the show in two shortened 
seasons.
by IGN Staff
http://tv.ign.com/articles/846/846056p1.html
January 16, 2008 - There's been no official word as to the fate of 24 
ever since the writers' strike began. While the hit series was supposed 
to premiere in January, it was moved to an as-yet undisclosed later 
date, with only eight episodes produced so far for Season 7. Now, TV 
Guide's Michael Ausiello is reporting that the show may return to the 
air in a 10 to 14 episode run in the fall which would tell a complete 
story, and then come back later next spring with another 10 or 14 
episodes that would tell a separate story. Our own sources have also 
confirmed this as a real possibility. These two "mini-seasons" are 
viewed as extreme measures since it affects the show's traditional 
format of airing 24 episodes without interruption. However, as Ausiello 
reported, proponents argue that "these are desperate times."

If 24 were to be completely pushed to next year, that would make it a 
year and a half with no Jack Bauer. And the last season was a dreary 
one, not well liked by fans or critics. In fact, in the run up to the 
aborted premiere of Season 7, the series' creators spent some time 
telling the press (and fans) that they were unhappy with Season 6 and 
planned to do better. With some of the casting news, such as Cherry 
Jones as a woman president, and the return of Tony Almeida, fans are 
eagerly awaiting what promises to be a strong return for Bauer and company.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject

[KeithBJohnson]

is it as bad as The Bourne Supremacy (the second flick?) That one made me sick 
at many times. The third Bourne film didn't bother me, though

-- Original message -- 
From: "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I have to give one warning, if you are bothered by by shaky camerawork
this might not be the movie for you. One person threw up

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I read the review and he misses the point and his biases were showing
> big time. The reason we don't ever get an origin or backstory is
> because we only know as much as the characters. They are damn near at
> ground zero when the events happen and they don't have any secret
> knowledge. They are scared and on the run.
> 
> The bridge sequence is awesomely effective. Manhattan was being
> evacuated and it was their quickest escape route. Clover or MGP as
> some websites have called him is attracted by the noise and light from
> the helicopters, cars, etc. and attacks the bridge.
> 
> I've heard a lot of people complaining that they didn't like the
> characters. I actually liked them especially Hud. They seemed like
> pretty normal twentysomethings. Rob seems like an ass due to the Beth
> thing but you can see that he's totally in love with her and panicked
> when their friendship was rapidly morphing into something deeper.
> 
> I really liked the movie and most critics did as well. It's riding at
> 77% on Rottentomatoes.com. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)"  wrote:
> >
> > Since I posted a good Cloverfield review, I thought I would post a
bad 
> > review as well
> > 
> > Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2008
> > Corliss on Cloverfield: The Blair Witch Reject
> > By Richard Corliss
> > 
> > An explosion shakes the earth. Flames spark through the night sky
like 
> > fireworks. It's either July 4th or Sept. 11th. More like the latter, 
> > because devastation and hysteria have engulfed lower Manhattan.
> Then, in 
> > flash glimpses, we see the cause of the carnage. A scaly tail, long
> as a 
> > city block and wide as a boulevard. A furtive figure 25 stories big. 
> > Whatever the thing is, it's alien, it's odd-looking and it's royally
> pissed.
> > 
> > Most horror and monster stories follow a simple format: "What if
> [insert 
> > worst thing you can imagine]...?" In the junky, fitfully frightening, 
> > virally marketed new movie Cloverfield, the "if" is the worst
thing you 
> > can remember. To wit: What if a previously unknown agent of evil
> were to 
> > destroy a world-famous New York City edifice? Not the World Trade 
> > Center, this time, but the Statue of Liberty â€" the Lady's head is
> tossed 
> > like a used beer can onto a lower Manhattan street. And the Statue 
> > decapitator is not a team of al-Qaeda operatives but a scaly, 300-ft. 
> > monster, an American Godzilla.
> > 
> > Instantly you have a million questions. By which I mean: three. 1)
> Where 
> > did the creature come from? (The Hudson River? Or the Arctic, thawed
> out 
> > by climate change and sent south on tidal currents? Possibly
Hoboken?) 
> > 2) What event roused it from a snooze that may date back to the
> dinosaur 
> > era? (Godzilla's rampage across Japan, you'll recall, was the
spawn of 
> > atomic bombs dropped there.) 3) What, exactly, the heck is it?
> > 
> > Can't say, since the movie â€" written by Drew Goddard, from an
idea by 
> > producer J.J. Abrams, and directed by Matt Reeves â€" purports to
be a 
> > video document "retrieved at an incident site formerly known as
Central 
> > Park" (now known as Cloverfield), and is told exclusively from the
> point 
> > of view of a few twentysomethings. We know only what they know, see
> what 
> > the videocamera sees. I.e., not much.
> > 
> > They gather at a surprise going-away party for young Rob Hawkins 
> > (Michael Stahl-David): his gal pal Lily (Jessica Lucas), his
on-and-off 
> > girlfriend Beth (Odette Yustman), his best bud Hud (T.J. Miller)
and a 
> > pretty stray named Lizzy (Marlene Diamond). Early on, Hud is given
the 
> > job of documenting the event with a video camera. The movie spends
its 
> > first 20 mins. introducing you to a bunch of people, most of whom
will 
> > be dead by min. 30. All you have to know: Rob had a brief affair with 
> > Beth and wants to get back to her; Lily, although nobody hits on
> her, is 
> > a definite hottie; Lizzy is the disposable outsider; and Hud is the
> kind 
> > of guy who'll tag along to anything, including Armageddon. (Still,
you 
> > have to give Hud credit. He may be running for his life for the 10
hrs. 
> > of the plot, but he never drops the camera or forgets to point it at
> the 
> > creatures that are ready to kill him. The guy's a trouper.)
> > 
> > They're all meant to be cool, attractive, upmarket young
> professionals â€" 
> > Rob has just been promoted to vice president of some company that's 
> > sending him off to be in charge of Japa

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[KeithBJohnson]

Never seen "Red Dwarf"--I know, I know!  But I hear you.   I still shudder at 
the memory of when the great miniseries "Ultraviolet" was going to be given an 
American treatment.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, re that "Red Dwarf" knockoff- yes, was, it aired, and thank your lucky 
stars that you missed it. I didn't. Bad does not *begin* to get around the 
concept. IMO, like all British shows that American networks try to pick up, 
they couldn't grasp the collective essence of the show initially, then made the 
more egregious sin of Americanizing it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to one source--Wikipedia--it was contract 
disputes. She asked for more money and they dumped her. I get why she wanted to 
leave DS9 after six years, but I never thought Becker was quite the right 
vehicle for her. Too bad something like "Desperate Housewives" wasn't around at 
the time.

Hey, the Wiki I read revealed too interesting things. One, Farrell auditioned 
for a US version of the Brit scifi series "Red Dwarf". I never knew there was 
an attempt to create a US version of that show. 

The other thing is that in 2001, a dude named William Kwong Yu Yeung discovered 
a new asteroid, and named it 26734 Terryfarrell in her honour. Talk about a fan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Farrell_%28actress%29

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> I agree about the time provided for the viewer to get over her - one 
> season. Its not that I did not like Ezri, I did. I liked the episode 
> with Worf and how thy tried to develop the character as well. However, I 
> still think, with only a season left to grieve and adapt to the new 
> character, by the time you got over the death and used to the new 
> character, the entire series was over. I guess I just always wanted to 
> be Jadzia when I grew up. Sigh... By the way, they ended up dumping 
> her from Becker and her career has never been the same. Does anyone 
> know what that was about? 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > i think the main problem was that she was only on the show for a year, and 
> > we 
> all knew the series was ending. There was no time for the character to really 
> get established and integrated into the show. I liked her though, because her 
> character demonstrated that in war, sh** happens, and you don't have a choice 
> sometimes as to what you do. Jadzia dies, the symbiote needs a new host, 
> she's 
> in the area. I think i was more okay with it than a lot of y'all because i 
> took 
> it for that: an emergency over which no one had control. Remember that Ezri 
> never even wanted to host one of the big slugs. She was also very young, 
> nervous about a new posting ,and full of the standard concerns anyone in her 
> position would have. Again, not having trained as a candidate for a joining, 
> she 
> wasn't walking around with all the arrogance, confidence, and talent that 
> people 
> like Jadzia possessed in order to quality as a host. 
> > 
> > So i was able to view her awkwardness, insecurity, uncertainty, and 
> > difficulty 
> along those lines. I was then able to cut her some slack. As you may 
> remember, I 
> was all but in love with Jadzia: she was feisty, funny, smart, tough, pretty, 
> sexy, statuesque. Truly an attractive woman. Ezri was slight in build, 
> girlish 
> looking, self-effacing, unsure. She was so different from Jadzia I was able 
> to 
> say "at least they didn't try to get a Jadzia clone", then relax and let her 
> character try to establish itself. I also enjoyed a few things they did with 
> her, such as all the confusion with Worf as they sorted their feelings out 
> for 
> each other. When they made love that one time, and Ezri later said "it wasn't 
> even that good" (or something like that) I started liking her. It seemed that 
> at 
> that point she started finding her confidence, both as a joined being, and 
> simply as a young woman learning to assert herself. She could never replace 
> my 
> Jadzia, but I quit trying to make her do so. At that 
> > point i really started liking Ezri. 
> > 
> > The one thing I wasn't crazy about was Julian falling for her, cause i 
> > figured 
> it was really Jadzia he was pining for. But, I guess they tried to take the 
> angle that just as Worf was trying to recapture Jadzia, so was Julian. But in 
> time he learned to love Ezri for herself. 
> > 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >> I think bringing in the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake. 
> >> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have 
> >> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an 
> >> occasional guest star. 
> >> Astromancer wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to 
> >>> empathize 
> >>> 
> >> w

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Martin]

Oh, NO. I have trouble coping with mid- to upper 80s, and that was *before* I 
develpoed respiratory issues.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes before 
they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European families, 
but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it beyond 
her Polish clientele.

"This is very popular in Europe but not yet here," said Stoklosa. "I 
am trying to do my best with Americans, but it is very hard when it 
is not conventional medicine. Not everyone believes it."

Poland native Agnes Judaz of Chicago has been bringing her 4-year-old 
son, Patrick, to Galos since he started showing signs of respiratory 
illness two years ago. "He improved a lot and now whenever he gets a 
stuffy nose, I bring him here right away sometimes for three days in 
a row and he gets much better," Judaz said before entering the cave 
on a Sunday afternoon with her husband and two children.

Their visit seemed less like therapy than a day at the beach, with 
the kids filling up buckets and toy dump trucks with the sea salt 
pebbles in the warm, dry room.

On another side of the room, friends Michelle Tac, 23, and Agnes 
Wiewiora, 33, of Chicago quietly chatted in recliners. "We just came 
here to relax because it is such a peaceful environment," Tac said of 
the room, where soft music and the sounds of rushing waves flow in 
through the speakers. "Then we go eat some Polish food [next door in 
the restaurant]. It's the best thing."

"It's definitely a good way to recover after partying out at the 
clubs," Wiewiora said. "It's good for your breathing but it's also 
great for your skin. Just look."

Polish-born Chicago pediatrician Maria Staisz says some of her 
patients have turned to salt caves to treat their children's chronic 
respiratory conditions.

"I've been a 

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[KeithBJohnson]

agreed. I know it's painful, and  iknow some will not want to see a movie that 
reminds them of 9-11. I get that. But I don't think that means we need to stay 
away from it for that reason. I hate having to dance around issues. Be 
sensitive to people, of course. But after a while we have to incorporate the 
reality of history into the stories we tell. Reminds me of how "MASH", which 
was really written with Vietnam in mind, had to be set during the Korean 
conflict in order to avoid upsetting people.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Thank you, Keith. That's one of many reasons this incensed me so much. The same 
batch of people who will, ten seconds after the furtherance (sp?) of their 
policies demands the invocation of That Number, complain that the sight of 
people in NYC running in terror in the face of explosions will bring back those 
same memories.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible 
and tragic, but it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits 
saying "it's too soon". Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still 
mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out 
thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change their 
mourning one whit.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded me of a chunk 
of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News, someone who's protesting the 
movie because the apnic scenes evoke memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic 
to viewers.

Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close to a year 
now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone else? Does anyone 
think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm reading it, just another attempt 
at shameless fear-mongering on the part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other 
news service, to the best of my knowledge, has carried this story.)

"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"

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[scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[Martin]

I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded me of a chunk 
of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News, someone who's protesting the 
movie because the apnic scenes evoke memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic 
to viewers.
   
  Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close to a year 
now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone else? Does anyone 
think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm reading it, just another attempt 
at shameless fear-mongering on the part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other 
news service, to the best of my knowledge, has carried this story.)


"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[Martin]

Thank you, Keith. That's one of many reasons this incensed me so much. The same 
batch of people who will, ten seconds after the furtherance (sp?) of their 
policies demands the invocation of That Number, complain that the sight of 
people in NYC running in terror in the face of explosions will bring back those 
same memories.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  even if it were, so what? September 11 was 
horrible and tragic, but it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and 
pundits saying "it's too soon". Well, when? the thousands of survivors are 
still mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out 
thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change their 
mourning one whit.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded me of a chunk 
of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News, someone who's protesting the 
movie because the apnic scenes evoke memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic 
to viewers.

Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close to a year 
now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone else? Does anyone 
think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm reading it, just another attempt 
at shameless fear-mongering on the part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other 
news service, to the best of my knowledge, has carried this story.)

"There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"

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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[KeithBJohnson]

I know Iceland and Sweden are beautiful, with clean, modern cities, quaint old 
towns, beautiful nature. I hear the people in both countries are hale and happy 
and have high standards of living. Love to visit them.

 Indeed, I'm working on a plan with my wife for us to take a trip to Iceland in 
a few years. The idea is for her to go to Iceland and hang out in Reykjavík and 
do shopping and enjoy the hot springs, while I take 3 -4 days in Greenland. I 
did some research into Greenland last year, and I'd love to spend a few days on 
an eco trip where I actually experience what it's like to be one of a few 
people in hundreds of square miles. the lonely beauty of that place called to 
me, and I'd like to experience that--once. then I'll travel to Iceland and hang 
with my wife.  

But I wouldn't want to live in such cold climes. Even today, sitting here 
looking at the window at the snow-covered trees and houses on this cold Atlanta 
day, I'm enveloped in a type of lazy feeling, a turning down of the spirit and 
metabolism. Cold, darkness, clouds, rain--all make me very mellow and low key. 
I prefer--need--warmth and sunlight to be at my best.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, I know what you're saying about your body being configured more for the 
heat than the cold. I have a friend in Virginia who's the same way, and she's 
miserable now that the weather's gone cold. Also can't fathom why I've perked 
up during the same interval. I'm a cold-weather beast. If I ahd the money, I'd 
be living in Iceland or Sweden right now, without a thought.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Martin]

BLASPHEMY!
   
  Snow is GOOD! Snow is all that is RIGHT!

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Youknowhatimsayin? I am so tired of snow and tracking salt 
everywhere I go!

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why?
> Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the 
winter thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on 
that saltwater thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...
> 
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to look into this.
> 
> ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: chicagotribune.com
> 
> Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.
> 
> Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff 
of 
> restorative powers
> 
> By Monica Eng
> 
> Tribune reporter
> 
> January 17, 2008
> 
> As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
> Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
> stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
> my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
> rocks in their hands.
> 
> Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos 
Caves 
> in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
> 60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
> hangover or even improve respiratory health.
> 
> Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
> arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, 
especially 
> those from Poland.
> 
> "We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
> cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
> Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts 
the 
> Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased 
in 
> Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
> and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] 
we 
> converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."
> 
> In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
> Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed 
inside 
> a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
> bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit 
on 
> folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
> Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
> the products they can use at home.
> 
> Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
> salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
> With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
> floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
> rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine 
solution. 
> Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
> loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
> floor.
> 
> Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
> children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
> regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes 
before 
> they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European 
families, 
> but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it 
beyond 
> her Polish clientele.
> 
> "This is very popular in Europe but not yet here," said 
Stoklosa. "I 
> am trying to do my best with Americans, but it is very hard when it 
> is not conventional medicine. Not everyone believes it."
> 
> Poland native Agnes Judaz of Chicago has been bringing her 4-year-
old 
> son, Patrick, to Galos since he started showing signs of 
respiratory 
> illness two years ago. "He improved a lot and now whenever he gets 
a 
> stuffy nose, I bring him here right away sometimes for three days 
in 
> a row and he gets much better," Judaz said before entering the cave 
> on a Sunday afternoon with her husband and two children.
> 
> Their visit seemed less like therapy than a day at the beach, with 
> the kids filling up buckets and toy dump trucks with the sea salt 
> pebbles in the warm, dry room.
> 
> On another side of the room, friends Michelle Tac, 23, and Agnes 
> Wiewiora, 33, of Chicago quietly chatted in recliners. "We just 
came 
> here to relax because it is such a peaceful environment," Tac said 
of 
> the room, where soft music and the sounds of rushing waves flow in 
> through the speakers. "Then we go eat some Polish food [next door 
in 
> the restaurant]. It's the best thing."
> 
> "It's definitely a good way to recover after partying out at the 
> clubs," Wiewiora said. "It's good for your breathing but it's also 
> great for your skin. Just look."
> 
> Polish-born Chicago pediatrician Maria Staisz says some of her 
> patients have turned to salt caves to treat their children's 
chronic 
> respiratory conditions.
> 
> "I've been a pediatrician for 30 years and I know that so

Re: [scifinoir2] Terry Farrell and DS9 and Becker

[Martin]

The women of Galactica were cetainly more realistic than those on The V-Word 
Show, but I wasn't terribly enamored of any of them. Starbuck- I know a couple 
of female pilots, and both of them have many of Kara's qualities. Boomer never 
moved me. She jsut seemed to detached from the world to be a viable character. 
Admiral Forbes was also fairly realistic, but her ruthless tactics (admired by 
a great many Republicans in the Skiffy forum) really put me off. I can't see 
any flag-officer being so willing to sacrifice allied civilian lives in the 
name of winning a war. Cally was- *meh*. Take her or leave her. Tori, Roslin's 
second assistant, was a great character until the S3 finale. It was readliy 
obvious that "the President's assistant" was always meant to be a Cylon, and 
the departure of the actor who played billy simply stuck Tori's character with 
that job. Didn't fit together. 
   
  Madame President...do you think we can get her on the '08 ballot?

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I grow up wanting to be Uhura, so she will always be a fave, but top 
of 
my list are Jadzia, Kira, Ro and sometimes Janeway - What can I say. I 
know the character was erratic, but Girlfriend had some big balls. I 
think Troi and the red-headed doctor definitively had potential for 
bigger and better things. I do not think in the 60s they were capable 
of giving Uhura more depth. Most of the women in that series seem to be 
simply plot devices. Most were obsessed with their looks and seeking 
reassurance in time of crisis's. The empowered ones always seemed 
terribly conflicted and often died or went mad. 

What are your thoughts about the women of Galactica? I would ask you 
about the women of Stargate, but they never develop characters or 
relationships on those shows

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I hear you! I was just thinking about all the regular female characters in 
> the Trek TV universe: Rand, Uhura, Crusher, Troi, Ensign Ro, Jadzia Dax, 
> Nerys, Cassidy Yates, Ezri Dax, Janeway, Torres, Kes, Seven of Nine, T'Pol, 
> Hoshi Sato.
>
> You know what's funny? in terms of pure physical, animal instantaneous 
> appeal, Rand, Uhura, Troi, and Seven win it hands down, all being curvaceous, 
> pretty women. But in terms of overall appeal, the women I found most 
> fascinating and attractive, Jadzia is at the top of my list of favorite Trek 
> females, up there with Ensign Ro, Cassidy Yates, and Kira Nerys. Indeed, if 
> pressed Jadzia is probably my overall fav Star Trek female as a complete 
> package: strong, intelligent, capable, as well as attractive. Her or Cassidy 
> Yates (that actress is cute as hell!)
>
> Looking at my choices--Ro, Yates, Nerys, Dax--they're all strong women with 
> their own minds, their own career paths, who don't cater to men. They remind 
> me of my wife: strong but beautiful, compassionate, but tough when needed. I 
> find the more well-rounded women (no pun intended) to be more intriguing than 
> those like Troi, who are physically hot, but whose characters were fairly 
> minor or secondary. 
>
> I wonder, if Uhura or Troi had been given the chance to stretch like Dax, 
> Nerys, or Yates, would I put them at the top of my list?
>
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
> 
>> Sigh... I still want to be Dax when I grow up 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>> 
>>> Tracey, 
>>>
>>> Found this entry about Farrell from the Star Trek Wiki: 
>>> 
>> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Terry_Farrell 
>> 
>>> After leaving Deep Space Nine, Farrell stated that, if asked, she would 
>>> love 
>>> 
>> to return to Star Trek to play Jadzia as a clone, Jadzia from another 
>> universe 
>> or a hologram. She also stated she grew greatly from playing Dax and that 
>> she 
>> wouldn't change a second of her time with Star Trek. 
>> 
>>> It has often been criticized by many fans that her character, Jadzia, was 
>>> not 
>>> 
>> seen as a part of the flashback sequences towards the end of "What You Leave 
>> Behind". This was due to the circumstance that Farrell did not give the 
>> producers her permission to pictures of her being used in those scenes. 
>> Although 
>> a scene was written for Jadzia in the final episode, budget costs meant they 
>> couldn't afford Farrell and the scene was never filmed. 
>> 
>>> At a Star Trek convention in 2007, Farrell said she wished she had not been 
>>> so 
>>> 
>> quick to leave Deep Space Nine, because "Jadzia Dax was the coolest 
>> character"; 
>> even Reggie can't compare: "It's hard to go from [playing] a hero to a 
>> neurotic, 
>> bad cook," she explained. 
>> 
>>> And below are a couple of excerpts from an interview with Farrell herself a 
>>> 
>> few years ago. She left DS9, I think, because the character wasn't growing 
>> to 
>> her satisfaction in the last couple of years. (She says as much in the 
>> official 
>> Star 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[KeithBJohnson]

i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
channels

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
> Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
> Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
> wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
> great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
> i'm happy to pay for those channels. 
>
> And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
> just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
> that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
> before--like "the Magnificent Seven"--i check it off the list). Everything 
> from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
> seen "race" films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
> TCMs "Thirty Days of Oscar" (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
> Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
> from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
> channels take care of that need of mine.
>
>
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
> Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
> trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
> two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
> Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
> days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
> plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
> more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
> still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
> However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
>> I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
>> The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
>> much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
>> but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
>> downloads
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> Keith:
>>
>> Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
>> You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
>> you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
>> rarely use the pay portion.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
>>> I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD and 
>>> sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
>>> prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or find 
>>> it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
>>> Boomerange and History and so forth
>>>
>>> Really good system you have, though
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
>>> It's commonly referred to as "antenna service"... the stations you'd 
>>> get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
>>> get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
>>> channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.
>>>
>>> I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
>>> channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
>>> hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
>>> watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
>>> HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
>>> channel 4 is CBS in low-def
>>> channel 4.1 is CBS in HD
>>>
>>> channel 5 is ABC in low-def
>>> channel 5.1 is ABC in HD
>>>
>>> channel 7 is NBC in low-def
>>> channel 7.1 is NBC in HD
>>> channel 7.2 is NBC's weather channel in HD
>>>
>>> channel 2 is PBS in low def
>>> channel 2.2 is PBS in HD
>>>
>>> channel 44 is PBS in low def
>>> channel 44.1 is PBS in HD
>>> channel 44.2 is PBS childrens in HD
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> And so forth. You get the idea. Almost all low-def channels I get in 
>>> HD, too. My HDTV found all

Re: [scifinoir2] 'Cloverfield' tries, but it can't top the cult classics

[Martin]

rave, one word.
   
  Crossover...

ravenadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I think it is hilarious that the monster that everyone thought was 
stalking the denizens of "Lost" IS stalking the denizens of J.J. 
Abrams produced "Cloverfield."

~rave!

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=708429

Chasing a monster of a goal 

Movies 'Cloverfield' tries, but it can't top the cult classics
Posted: Jan. 17, 2008

Duane Dudek
E-MAIL 

Such a warm and fuzzy title, "Cloverfield."

But as the deceptively lush tropical island on "Lost" revealed - that 
way, there be monsters. Which is no surprise, considering both titles 
come from J.J. Abrams, who produced the first and created the second.

And like other wannabe cult works, "Cloverfield," a "Godzilla" for 
the MySpace generation, is sure to draw cheers from those pre-
converted by the hype and jeers from the emperor-has-no-clothes crowd.

Is it possible both are right? Well, I'm in both camps myself. 

I admire the less-is-more aesthetic of films like "Open Water" and 
was a fan of "The Blair Witch Project," which I described at the time 
as "a crude but stunningly pure and elemental act of the imagination."

"Cloverfield" should be so lucky, but I give it credit for trying.

There are young people in jeopardy; a never clearly seen nor really 
explained menace; an escalating tension; a disorienting, hand-held 
visual style that might cause motion sickness in some; and, most 
important, a crafty marketing campaign that has manufactured a hunger 
for the film. 

Once the dust settles, genre lovers will recognize it as vastly 
superior to fanboy swill like "Snakes on a Plane," but less enjoyable 
than the 2007 Korean monster film "The Host," which is character-
driven in a way that "Cloverfield" imagines itself to be.

The fact is we never really know the characters in "Cloverfield" 
despite spending 90 minutes with them as a monster attacks Manhattan. 
And we never really see the monster, which sheds little parasite 
monsters, either, even though at one point it is so close to the 
camera it fogs the lens. But the conceit and the techniques used to 
sustain it are impressive.

Abrams, "Felicity" director Matt Reeves and "Lost" writer-producer 
Drew Goddard nimbly create a streamlined, dumbed-down version of 
the "Lost" paradigm. Instead of sharing a plane ride, these 
characters attend a party for a friend who is moving to Japan, with 
one party-goer filming on a hand-held digital video camera. They 
mingle, drink and argue for an interminable 20 minutes until a rumble 
dims skyscrapers and triggers car alarms.

Moments later, an explosive force of some sort sends the head of the 
Statue of Liberty flying into the air. It lands at the feet of the 
now panicked party-goers, who spend a few precious moments bickering 
about whether to flee via bridge or tunnel.

Bridge it is. Bad choice.

By the time we first glimpse the monster, about 30 minutes into the 
film, all hell has broken loose. Yet Michael Stahl-David leads party-
goers back into the chaos to rescue his girlfriend, played by Odette 
Yustman.

The conceit is that all of this is captured in perspective-churning 
hand-held video camera style by Stahl-David's best friend, played by 
T.J. Miller, and that this government code-named "Cloverfield" video 
has been found after the attack - in much the same way that the 
survivors in "Lost" find instructional videos by the Dharma Group and 
the film's monster could be compared to the unseen force wandering 
through the show.

The film does have an out-of-the-frying-pan pace, and the illusion is 
powerful. But the low-tech hype is a sham, since it has the support 
of the sorts of digital effects used in conventional films. And will 
it ever be possible to make a disaster movie set in Manhattan and not 
invoke, consciously or not, memories of Sept. 11th?

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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?]

[Martin]

EXACTLY, Daryle.
   
  Your assertion that SF is *not* Star Wars and more ideas was the basis of the 
first argument I ever had with my Last Ex. She, never having ventured into 
genre filmdom beyond taking her kids to the theater, just couldn't understand 
my devotion to it, and my showing her my entire collection of novels didn't 
help. (A few too many SF shoot-'em-ups in the mix for a plausible argumentative 
basis.)

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Last night I watched "Children Of Men" and "Sunshine". Clearly, 
"Children Of
Men" is amazing and an example of science fiction done right. "Sunshine"
wasn't horrible. One final script edit and a couple of casting changes and
it's a pretty good movie.

The problem is that we need to separate Hollywood from "sci-fi". For as much
as we all rag on Star Trek, there have been some pretty damn good Star Trek
novels done over the past 10 years. When original material is introduced --
like Firefly, Earth2, Odyssey 5 or Journeyman, the critics turn their backs
and devote pages and pages to how wack "Bionic Woman" is.

We have to slow down and understand that sci-fi is not (just) Star Wars and
"there's a meteor/monster/50 foot blonde coming to destroy the Earth". There
are PLENTY of ideas. I just read a Steampunk Transformers story. It was
GREAT fun. But in a world where Steven Spielberg is seen as a master of the
genre and nobody's heard of Harlan Ellison -- which is where most of these
critics live -- you won't hear the good stuff, just what gets green
lighted.

On 1/19/08 11:42 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Original Message 
> Subject: [SciFiNoir Lit] Is Sci Fi Out of Ideas?
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:13:26 -
> From: Chris Hayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169296,00.html
> 
> 
> The Final Cut
> 
> 
> Is Sci-Fi Out of Ideas?
> 
> 
> It's supposed to explore the future -- so, columnist Mark Harris
> wonders, why is the genre depending so much on old material?
> 
> By Mark Harris 
> 
> Mark Harris
> *Mark Harris*
> Mark Harris is a writer and former executive editor of EW
> 
> What movie genre is most in need of a savior as the New Year begins? For
> once, the answer isn't the musical: With Tim Burton's arterial-auteurist
> /Sweeney Todd/ splattering audiences nationwide, /Dreamgirls/ and
> /Hairspray/ each topping $100 million in grosses last year, and the
> success of the all-obliterating international multiplatform
> Chiclet-toothed juggernaut that is /High School Musical/, we can finally
> take musicals off the endangered-species list. Instead, let's turn our
> attention to an unlikely candidate for a heart-and-brain transplant:
> science fiction.
> 
> Sci-fi is in trouble, though it's not the kind of trouble that can be
> measured at the box office, where it looks as healthy and robust as a T.
> rex must have seemed five minutes before it realized that there was
> nothing left to eat. The genre has been around for as long as the movies
> themselves, and flourished for the last 30 years. The problem is, none
> of the ideas are getting any newer. Scratch that: The problem is, there
> are no ideas.
> 
> The season's big movie hit is Will Smith's /I Am Legend/, the third
> screen version of a Richard Matheson novel that was published in 1954.
> In television, fans await the final season of /Battlestar Galactica/, a
> spiffy, politically freighted update of a dopey piece of TV debris from
> 1978; they're also anticipating the promised launch of a new series that
> will extend George Lucas' /Star Wars/ franchise into its fourth decade.
> Our most popular sci-fi comic-book movies are based on characters that
> were created more than 40 years ago — or, like /Transformers/, were
> inspired by pieces of plastic manufactured in the 1980s. This Christmas'
> guilty-pleasure DVD indulgence was a multidisc collection of five
> different versions of the 1982 film /Blade Runner/, which is itself
> based on a 40-year-old Philip K. Dick novel. Personally, I'm holding out
> for a SuperPlatinum Deluxe Psychotic Edition, which will arrive in a
> crate containing 47 discs and Ridley Scott himself, who will hang out
> with you and then rewire your home sound system.
> 
> If you're truly desperate for a trip down memory lane, you can check out
> /Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem/, another attempt to crossbreed franchises
> that are now, respectively, 29 and 21 years old: In sci-fi terms, this
> is like staging a cage match between Grandma and Grandpa. Even J.J.
> Abrams, whose series /Lost/ (along with /The X-Files/) comes as close to
> a genuinely new idea for sci-fi as any major piece of pop culture in the
> last 20 years, is attempting to reboot the moribund /Star Trek/ for the
> big screen ne

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Bosco Bosco]

Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?

B
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be
> a
> KKK organizer.
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
> From: Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:   Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
> organizer.
> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
> 
> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
> 
> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
> 
> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
> 
> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in
> a
> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
> Stormfront
> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
> 
> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
> 
> 
> Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't
> it,
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


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I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
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[scifinoir2] Seen The Teeth- not Afraid of The Vagina

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

After all the talk of killer sheep.  I had to post this.  So are you 
guys going to see this movie?


Harry has seen TEETH - and is still not afraid of the vagina!!!
http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35308

You know – for a movie about a tooth filled vagina that bites fingers 
and penises off – this film plays a lot like a Cronenberg-esque HEROES 
episode about a young girl with a strange power and a lot of awkward, 
vulnerable and heart-achingly true scenes of what it is like to be an 
innocent girl coming to terms with her budding sexuality and the 
inherent power of the vagina.

The very subject matter of this movie scares some women into thinking 
they’ll be outraged – and at the same time – it scares the penis out of 
men. So why would anyone watch a film about a subject matter we just 
don’t – collectively – want to think about?

Well… what if it is handled right?

What if the story is handled delicately and with restraint? What if 
there’s not shot of a toothy biting crotch monster – and instead it’s a 
film about empowering the victim – and giving her a strength and a power 
that is actually quite delicious – and allows the young innocent lamb to 
be a wolf in sheep’s clothing – striking at those that would fleece and 
cook the young lamb?

That’s the sort of movie this is. One that can be interpretated by the 
Christian right as being a cautionary tale about going back on your vows 
of chastity. While on the other hand, being a badass tale of a young 
lady blossoming into an empowered and sexually active female that can 
take the sexual power back from the penatrator.

I haven’t seen this sort of horror since the heyday of David Cronenberg. 
Think RABID – think SHIVERS – think THE BROOD. This is a new flesh film 
going on the very old mythology of vagina dentate – which culturally 
goes back to the stone age, but with a modern age exploration and 
revelation.

Is Mitchell Lichtenstein the new Cronenberg? I wouldn’t say so, because 
other than the adaptability of the human body – tonally they’re as far 
apart as night and day. No – Lichtenstein is a combination of Cronenberg 
and Alexander Payne – playing very much as a combination of ELECTION and 
SHIVERS. There’s fear, but hope and humor. It is very much a fearful and 
terrifying film for our lead actress, until the second half of the film, 
which gives her an illuminating look at her own problem.

This is a very very smart movie and one that despite a really terrifying 
amount of intimate gore – it plays tender. Seriously.

Jess Weixler’s Dawn is very much a sweet and endearing character. The 
flower of the story with it’s thorn. The characters that surround her 
are also tenderly drawn. Even if the pricks are pricks.

The movie is opening this weekend in New York (one theater) and in Los 
Angeles in several. If you love good strong smart horror with subtext 
and nudity – then you owe it to yourself to get out there and support 
this very smart film. The following week it’ll be opening in seven more 
cities, then depending on the reaction there – other places in the 
country will get to see it… but make no mistake – the simple premise 
will keep mountains of ninnies away from this picture – but frankly – if 
I had a teenage girl or boy – I’d take them and as many of their friends 
to see this movie. Not to scare them away from sex, but to having an 
open and frank discussion of the very real fears about opening that door 
at that early of an age.

While also having a smart fun, scary and wild movie to revel in.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

True.  I wish it was more extensive.  What I do like is that must of the 
movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
demand, so you are not locked into their schedule

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
> channels
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
>> Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
>> Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
>> wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
>> great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
>> i'm happy to pay for those channels. 
>>
>> And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
>> just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
>> that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
>> before--like "the Magnificent Seven"--i check it off the list). Everything 
>> from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
>> seen "race" films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
>> TCMs "Thirty Days of Oscar" (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
>> Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
>> from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
>> channels take care of that need of mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
>> Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
>> trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
>> two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
>> Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
>> days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
>> plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
>> more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
>> still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
>> However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
>>> I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
>>> The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
>>> much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
>>> but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
>>> downloads
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Keith:
>>>
>>> Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
>>> You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
>>> you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
>>> rarely use the pay portion.
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
 and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
 find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as "antenna service"... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:
 channel 4 is CBS in low-def
 channel 4.1 is CBS in HD

 channel 5 is ABC in low-def
 channel 5.1 is ABC in HD

 channel 7 is NBC in low-def
 channel 7.1 is NBC in HD

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Because you are not buying his BS

Bosco Bosco wrote:
> Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?
>
> B
> --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be
>> a
>> KKK organizer.
>> Date:Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
>> From:Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To:  Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
>> organizer.
>> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
>>
>> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
>>
>> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
>> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
>>
>> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
>>
>> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in
>> a
>> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
>> Stormfront
>> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
>>
>> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
>> 
>>
>> Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't
>> it,
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
>
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
>
>
>   
> 
> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>   


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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Bosco Bosco]

I think it's actually because I went to his website when the Ron Paul
kettle began to boil here and a had a look at what he supports. It
was so typically conservative white male power structure on most
issues, I figured there had to be a bit of the old uber-nastiness
swirling around in denial and festering. 

First and foremost is this gem. He believes without question that any
responsible political position flows from a pro-life persepective. He
thinks corporations are too restrictive and that regulation laws
keeping them in check should mostly be abolished. He also thinks most
government agencies including regulatory ones should be abolished.
Most people just here is close the IRS, legalize all drugs and get
out Iraq talk and assume he's sane. The man is 100% certifiable and
should be kept under armed guard before he begins handing out get of
jail free cards to every corporate scumbag on earth. That he is a
white power sympathizer, at the least, is just another buckle on his
future straight jacket.

Bosco
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Because you are not buying his BS
> 
> Bosco Bosco wrote:
> > Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?
> >
> > B
> > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >>  Original Message 
> >> Subject:   RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to
> be
> >> a
> >> KKK organizer.
> >> Date:  Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
> >> From:  Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
> >> organizer.
> >> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
> >>
> >> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
> >>
> >> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist
> Event
> >> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
> >>
> >> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
> >>
> >> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing
> in
> >> a
> >> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
> >> Stormfront
> >> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
> >>
> >> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
> >> 
> >>
> >> Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis
> isn't
> >> it,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >
> > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> >
> > You know these things that happen,
> > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> > And I can't help but wonder,
> > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
> >
> >
> >  
>

> > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >
> >
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

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Re: [scifinoir2] Seen The Teeth- not Afraid of The Vagina

[Bosco Bosco]

I saw the trailer and I have no idea if I'll see it. The trailer made
it appear to be more hype than reality could support. It might be a
rental. I just can't wait for the "sink your teeth into it" jokes to
begin popping up

B
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After all the talk of killer sheep.  I had to post this.  So are
> you 
> guys going to see this movie?
> 
> 
> Harry has seen TEETH - and is still not afraid of the vagina!!!
> http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35308
> 
> You know – for a movie about a tooth filled vagina that bites
> fingers 
> and penises off – this film plays a lot like a Cronenberg-esque
> HEROES 
> episode about a young girl with a strange power and a lot of
> awkward, 
> vulnerable and heart-achingly true scenes of what it is like to be
> an 
> innocent girl coming to terms with her budding sexuality and the 
> inherent power of the vagina.
> 
> The very subject matter of this movie scares some women into
> thinking 
> they’ll be outraged – and at the same time – it scares the
> penis out of 
> men. So why would anyone watch a film about a subject matter we
> just 
> don’t – collectively – want to think about?
> 
> Well… what if it is handled right?
> 
> What if the story is handled delicately and with restraint? What if
> 
> there’s not shot of a toothy biting crotch monster – and
> instead it’s a 
> film about empowering the victim – and giving her a strength and
> a power 
> that is actually quite delicious – and allows the young innocent
> lamb to 
> be a wolf in sheep’s clothing – striking at those that would
> fleece and 
> cook the young lamb?
> 
> That’s the sort of movie this is. One that can be interpretated
> by the 
> Christian right as being a cautionary tale about going back on your
> vows 
> of chastity. While on the other hand, being a badass tale of a
> young 
> lady blossoming into an empowered and sexually active female that
> can 
> take the sexual power back from the penatrator.
> 
> I haven’t seen this sort of horror since the heyday of David
> Cronenberg. 
> Think RABID – think SHIVERS – think THE BROOD. This is a new
> flesh film 
> going on the very old mythology of vagina dentate – which
> culturally 
> goes back to the stone age, but with a modern age exploration and 
> revelation.
> 
> Is Mitchell Lichtenstein the new Cronenberg? I wouldn’t say so,
> because 
> other than the adaptability of the human body – tonally they’re
> as far 
> apart as night and day. No – Lichtenstein is a combination of
> Cronenberg 
> and Alexander Payne – playing very much as a combination of
> ELECTION and 
> SHIVERS. There’s fear, but hope and humor. It is very much a
> fearful and 
> terrifying film for our lead actress, until the second half of the
> film, 
> which gives her an illuminating look at her own problem.
> 
> This is a very very smart movie and one that despite a really
> terrifying 
> amount of intimate gore – it plays tender. Seriously.
> 
> Jess Weixler’s Dawn is very much a sweet and endearing character.
> The 
> flower of the story with it’s thorn. The characters that surround
> her 
> are also tenderly drawn. Even if the pricks are pricks.
> 
> The movie is opening this weekend in New York (one theater) and in
> Los 
> Angeles in several. If you love good strong smart horror with
> subtext 
> and nudity – then you owe it to yourself to get out there and
> support 
> this very smart film. The following week it’ll be opening in
> seven more 
> cities, then depending on the reaction there – other places in
> the 
> country will get to see it… but make no mistake – the simple
> premise 
> will keep mountains of ninnies away from this picture – but
> frankly – if 
> I had a teenage girl or boy – I’d take them and as many of
> their friends 
> to see this movie. Not to scare them away from sex, but to having
> an 
> open and frank discussion of the very real fears about opening that
> door 
> at that early of an age.
> 
> While also having a smart fun, scary and wild movie to revel in.
> 
> 


I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

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[scifinoir2] ST:New Voyages - again

[jmpinva]

All,
I seem to recall a note or two about Star Trek New Voyages a few years 
back - startreknewvoyages.com/index.html . I just checked out the 
latest episode (3 of 3 I think) titled World & Time Enough. Not bad! I 
like the new Uhuru and the plot is as viable as other TOS episodes. 
More! More! -fyi -jeff.

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[Bosco Bosco]

And Keith nails it again. 

In the words of Zach De La Rocha, What better time than now? What
better place than here. As was also mentioned, I am sick to death of
the conservative mind set acting like they've got rights reserved on
who can mention the events of 9-11 and when they can mention them.
It's insulting and callous.

Bosco
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible and tragic, but
> it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits saying
> "it's too soon". Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still
> mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out
> thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change
> their mourning one whit.
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded
> me of a chunk of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News,
> someone who's protesting the movie because the apnic scenes evoke
> memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic to viewers.
> 
> Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close
> to a year now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone
> else? Does anyone think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm
> reading it, just another attempt at shameless fear-mongering on the
> part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other news service, to the best
> of my knowledge, has carried this story.)
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,
> "A Man Without A Country"
> 
> -
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[KeithBJohnson]

i absolutely agree with you there. Someone gets to pull it out to show they're 
tough on terrorists, that they can fight disasters, rally the public, etc. 
Gulliani wears it on his sleeve as his major claim to the presidency, yet a 
movie that might be dealing with it is not proper???

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
And Keith nails it again. 

In the words of Zach De La Rocha, What better time than now? What
better place than here. As was also mentioned, I am sick to death of
the conservative mind set acting like they've got rights reserved on
who can mention the events of 9-11 and when they can mention them.
It's insulting and callous.

Bosco
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible and tragic, but
> it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits saying
> "it's too soon". Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still
> mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out
> thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change
> their mourning one whit.
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded
> me of a chunk of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News,
> someone who's protesting the movie because the apnic scenes evoke
> memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic to viewers.
> 
> Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close
> to a year now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone
> else? Does anyone think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm
> reading it, just another attempt at shameless fear-mongering on the
> part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other news service, to the best
> of my knowledge, has carried this story.)
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,
> "A Man Without A Country"
> 
> -
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 

I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.

You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?

[Martin]

Bosco, every time I'm faced with one of those types, so willing to toss out the 
Holy Number as a defense, my first instinct is to ask one question.

"Did anyone you know die in the Towers? And my answer, before you ask, is YES."

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   And Keith 
nails it again. 
 
 In the words of Zach De La Rocha, What better time than now? What
 better place than here. As was also mentioned, I am sick to death of
 the conservative mind set acting like they've got rights reserved on
 who can mention the events of 9-11 and when they can mention them.
 It's insulting and callous.
 
 Bosco
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 > even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible and tragic, but
 > it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits saying
 > "it's too soon". Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still
 > mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out
 > thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change
 > their mourning one whit.
 > 
 > -- Original message -- 
 > From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 > I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded
 > me of a chunk of "news" I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News,
 > someone who's protesting the movie because the apnic scenes evoke
 > memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic to viewers.
 > 
 > Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close
 > to a year now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone
 > else? Does anyone think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm
 > reading it, just another attempt at shameless fear-mongering on the
 > part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other news service, to the best
 > of my knowledge, has carried this story.)
 > 
 > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
 > will get organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut,
 > "A Man Without A Country"
 > 
 > -
 > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
 > 
 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 > 
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 > 
 > 
 
 I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
 I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
 
 You know these things that happen,
 That's just the way it's supposed to be.
 And I can't help but wonder,
 Don't ya know it coulda been me.
 
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organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
   
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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[KeithBJohnson]

yeah, you'd hate Texas, then. how do you handle this incredibly spore- and 
pollen-saturated Atlanta air?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Oh, NO. I have trouble coping with mid- to upper 80s, and that was *before* I 
develpoed respiratory issues.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes before 
they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European families, 
but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it beyond 
her Polish clientele.

"This is very popular in Europe but not yet here," said Stoklosa. "I 
am trying to do my best with Americans, but it is very hard when it 
is not conventional medicine. Not everyone believes it."

Poland native Agnes Judaz of Chicago has been bringing her 4-year-old 
son, Patrick, to Galos since he started showing signs of respiratory 
illness two years ago. "He improved a lot and now whenever he gets a 
stuffy nose, I bring him here right away sometimes for three days in 
a row and he gets much better," Judaz said before entering the cave 
on a Sunday afternoon with her husband and two children.

Their visit seemed less like therapy than a day at the beach, with 
the kids filling up buckets and toy dump trucks with the sea salt 
pebbles in the warm, dry room.

On another side of the room, friends Michelle Tac, 23, and Agnes 
Wiewiora, 33, of Chicago quietly chatted in recliners. "We just came 
here to relax because it is such a peaceful environment," Tac said of 
the room, where soft music and the sounds of rushing waves flow in 
through the speakers. "Then we go eat some Polish food [next door in 
the restaurant]. It's the best thing."

"It's definitely a good way to recover after partying out at the 
clubs," Wiewiora said. "It's good for your breathing but it's also 
great for your ski

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[KeithBJohnson]

i get Turner Classic Movies as part of the basic package, so not much extra 
money there

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
True. I wish it was more extensive. What I do like is that must of the 
movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
demand, so you are not locked into their schedule

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
> channels
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
>> Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
>> Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
>> wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
>> great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
>> i'm happy to pay for those channels. 
>>
>> And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
>> just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
>> that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
>> before--like "the Magnificent Seven"--i check it off the list). Everything 
>> from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
>> seen "race" films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), to 
>> TCMs "Thirty Days of Oscar" (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning or 
>> Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think of 
>> from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
>> channels take care of that need of mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
>> Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
>> trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
>> two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
>> Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
>> days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
>> plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
>> more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
>> still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
>> However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
>>> I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
>>> The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
>>> much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
>>> but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
>>> downloads
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> Keith:
>>>
>>> Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
>>> You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
>>> you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
>>> rarely use the pay portion.
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
 I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
 and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
 prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
 find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
 Boomerange and History and so forth

 Really good system you have, though

 -- Original message -- 
 From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
 It's commonly referred to as "antenna service"... the stations you'd 
 get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
 get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
 channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.

 I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
 channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
 hooked up my new Sony Bravia 32-inch HDTV a couple months ago to 
 watch the Patriots make their historic football run. I found several 
 HD stations alongside the low-def stations. Examples:

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Astromancer]

Sorry, guys, I did not mean to miskead you...I don't spend any time in the cold 
that I don't have to...I'll go house-hopping, from car/cab/bus to club or have 
friends over, but that is how most people deal with the cold weather in 
Chi-town...We avoid it, not hang out in it...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Keith, I know what you're saying 
about your body being configured more for the heat than the cold. I have a 
friend in Virginia who's the same way, and she's miserable now that the 
weather's gone cold. Also can't fathom why I've perked up during the same 
interval. I'm a cold-weather beast. If I ahd the money, I'd be living in 
Iceland or Sweden right now, without a thought.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with 

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Martin]

Badly. My doctor keeps telling me that I should move to New Mexico with my Aunt 
Margie. Thing is, I've been to New Mexico. *New Mexico* doesn't want to live in 
New Mexico.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, you'd hate Texas, then. how do you handle this 
incredibly spore- and pollen-saturated Atlanta air?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin  
Oh, NO. I have trouble coping with mid- to upper 80s, and that was *before* I 
develpoed respiratory issues.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes before 
they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European families, 
but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it beyond 
her Polish clientele.

"This is very popular in Europe but not yet here," said Stoklosa. "I 
am trying to do my best with Americans, but it is very hard when it 
is not conventional medicine. Not everyone believes it."

Poland native Agnes Judaz of Chicago has been bringing her 4-year-old 
son, Patrick, to Galos since he started showing signs of respiratory 
illness two years ago. "He improved a lot and now whenever he gets a 
stuffy nose, I bring him here right away sometimes for three days in 
a row and he gets much better," Judaz said before entering the cave 
on a Sunday afternoon with her husband and two children.

Their visit seemed less like therapy than a day at the beach, with 
the kids filling up buckets and toy dump trucks with the sea salt 
pebbles in the warm, dry room.

On another side of the room, friends Michelle Tac, 23, and Agnes 
Wiewiora, 33, of Chicago quietly chatted in recliners. "We just came 
here to relax because it is such a peaceful environment," Tac said of 
the room, where soft music and the sounds of rushing waves flow in 
through the speakers. "Then we go eat some Polish food [next door in 
the restaur

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

But I have premium channels

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i get Turner Classic Movies as part of the basic package, so not much extra 
> money there
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> True. I wish it was more extensive. What I do like is that must of the 
> movies from the premium channels that you are subscribed to are on 
> demand, so you are not locked into their schedule
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> i get some of them free On Demand, but it appears only some shows from some 
>> channels
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> I feel guilty. I watch those channels, free on demand and get netflix
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> The good thing about cable for me right now is that I like Cartoon Network, 
>>> Scifi (despite its many crappy shows), and Boomerang (for Justice League, 
>>> Batman, Superman, and classic old tunes like Thundarr or Wacky Racers). My 
>>> wife digs Style, HGTV, and Lifetime Movie Network. I also have seen some 
>>> great things on Sundance and Independent Film Channels that I've loved. So 
>>> i'm happy to pay for those channels. 
>>>
>>> And as for old classic movies, Turner Classic Movies and AMC tend to show 
>>> just about all the movies on my list (you know I have a list of 130 movies 
>>> that I consider must-sees. Everytime I see something I've never seen 
>>> before--like "the Magnificent Seven"--i check it off the list). Everything 
>>> from silent films--which TCM shows every Sunday at midnight--to the little 
>>> seen "race" films of the '30s (usually shown during Black History Month), 
>>> to TCMs "Thirty Days of Oscar" (where a month is loaded with Oscar winning 
>>> or Oscar nominated films). I don't think there's a classic film I can think 
>>> of from the last 80 years that isn't shown sometime on TCM or AMC, so those 
>>> channels take care of that need of mine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> netflix has a lot on download, but only direct to your computer. 
>>> Sometimes during holidays, I rent from video stores. But, I am having 
>>> trouble these days finding a lot of movies in at the stores. There are 
>>> two things to deal with the lack of instantaneous aspect of Netflix. 
>>> Netflix set up local facilities, so that you only have to wait 1 to 2 
>>> days for a movie to arrive. Also, I'm on the five movie at a time 
>>> plan. I really only need three movies at a time, but if I have a few 
>>> more movies than I need, I do not find myself waiting for movies and it 
>>> still is considerably cheaper than on demand or video stores. 
>>> However, I do understand. My Mom prefers on-demand and the store as well
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 you're right on both counts. So far I've driven to the rental store when 
 I've wanted to see an old movie., but haven't done much of that recently. 
 The whole concept of getting DVDs in the mail just doesn't appeal to me. I 
 much prefer the convenience of video-on-demand. I may give Netflix a try, 
 but I think part of me is waiting for everything to be available via 
 downloads

 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 Keith:

 Doesn't on demand cost more than Netflix and have less of a selection? 
 You seem to like a lot of old series and cult favorite movies. how do 
 you get them on demand. I do use on demand for the free stuff, but I 
 rarely use the pay portion.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
> that's great info, and that's an interesting package they offer up there. 
> I've never been a Netflix kind of person. The trouble of ordering a DVD 
> and sending it back just doesn't appeal to me--as easy as i know it is. I 
> prefer to do pay-per-view and have it there the *second* I want it, or 
> find it online. Hence, I pay for the convenience of watching Scifi and 
> Boomerange and History and so forth
>
> Really good system you have, though
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Here in Massachusetts, Comcast's Basic Service is $8.95 per month. 
> It's commonly referred to as "antenna service"... the stations you'd 
> get with an antenna plus the home shopping channels. While I don't 
> get the SciFi channel, ESPN, C-SPAN channels, TBS, premium cable 
> channels like HBO, I don't pay those sky-high cable rates either.
>
> I am very happy with this Basic Service because it also includes HD 
> channels... at no extra charge. I was pleasantly surprised when I 
> hooked u

Re: [scifinoir2] ST:New Voyages - again

[brent wodehouse]

"jmpinva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>All,
>I seem to recall a note or two about Star Trek New Voyages a few years 
>back - startreknewvoyages.com/index.html . I just checked out the 
>latest episode (3 of 3 I think) titled World & Time Enough. Not bad! I 
>like the new Uhuru and the plot is as viable as other TOS episodes. 
>More! More! -fyi -jeff.

Thank you for the alert! I hadn't yet seen the latest episode. Is it very
new?

I agree with your assessment re: Uhura. Very likable, I must say. :-)

One quibble: Erm, WTF is the matter, really, with the captain? His
expression never varied (let's say irritable bowel scowl); whole demeanour
stuck in amber like, voice monotone. But... there was lovely Ilana (sp?)
(and, happily, almost, but ultimately no canoodling with you-know-who).(No
listing who portrayed her in the final credits, oddly. :-(  What gives?).
A nice bit of fulfilling viewing, for nearly an hour at least. Cheers!


Brent

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[KeithBJohnson]

the "Ultraviolet" we're discussing came on TV several years ago (can't remember 
which US channel aired it). It's a British series about a government 
organization that is trying to stop the vamps. It treats the vampyrs more as a 
separate species. The vamps even claim that they want to live in peace and that 
they're trying to find alternative food sources so that they don't have to feed 
on humans. They try to position themselves as a persecuted minority group.
It's a great series, very British in being more intelligent and slower-paced 
than what America would give you. It has some great moments in it, especially 
one where a Black member of the government agency (played by Idras Elba) is 
locked in a hangar with the vamps just as the sun is setting. Powerful scene, 
as he calls another agent for whom he has feelings as the creatures are about 
to stir, to say a type of goodbye. Highly recommend renting it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A590843

Now, if you were thinking about the "Ultraviolet" movie from B-movie queen Mila 
Jovovich, heck no, no miniseries made based on that dreck!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
There was an Ultraviolet miniseries???

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never seen "Red Dwarf"--I know, I know! But I hear 
you. I still shudder at the memory of when the great miniseries "Ultraviolet" 
was going to be given an American treatment.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Keith, re that "Red Dwarf" knockoff- yes, was, it aired, and thank your lucky 
stars that you missed it. I didn't. Bad does not *begin* to get around the 
concept. IMO, like all British shows that American networks try to pick up, 
they couldn't grasp the collective essence of the show initially, then made the 
more egregious sin of Americanizing it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to one source--Wikipedia--it was contract 
disputes. She asked for more money and they dumped her. I get why she wanted to 
leave DS9 after six years, but I never thought Becker was quite the right 
vehicle for her. Too bad something like "Desperate Housewives" wasn't around at 
the time.

Hey, the Wiki I read revealed too interesting things. One, Farrell auditioned 
for a US version of the Brit scifi series "Red Dwarf". I never knew there was 
an attempt to create a US version of that show. 

The other thing is that in 2001, a dude named William Kwong Yu Yeung discovered 
a new asteroid, and named it 26734 Terryfarrell in her honour. Talk about a fan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Farrell_%28actress%29

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> I agree about the time provided for the viewer to get over her - one 
> season. Its not that I did not like Ezri, I did. I liked the episode 
> with Worf and how thy tried to develop the character as well. However, I 
> still think, with only a season left to grieve and adapt to the new 
> character, by the time you got over the death and used to the new 
> character, the entire series was over. I guess I just always wanted to 
> be Jadzia when I grew up. Sigh... By the way, they ended up dumping 
> her from Becker and her career has never been the same. Does anyone 
> know what that was about? 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > i think the main problem was that she was only on the show for a year, and 
> > we 
> all knew the series was ending. There was no time for the character to really 
> get established and integrated into the show. I liked her though, because her 
> character demonstrated that in war, sh** happens, and you don't have a choice 
> sometimes as to what you do. Jadzia dies, the symbiote needs a new host, 
> she's 
> in the area. I think i was more okay with it than a lot of y'all because i 
> took 
> it for that: an emergency over which no one had control. Remember that Ezri 
> never even wanted to host one of the big slugs. She was also very young, 
> nervous about a new posting ,and full of the standard concerns anyone in her 
> position would have. Again, not having trained as a candidate for a joining, 
> she 
> wasn't walking around with all the arrogance, confidence, and talent that 
> people 
> like Jadzia possessed in order to quality as a host. 
> > 
> > So i was able to view her awkwardness, insecurity, uncertainty, and 
> > difficulty 
> along those lines. I was then able to cut her some slack. As you may 
> remember, I 
> was all but in love with Jadzia: she was feisty, funny, smart, tough, pretty, 
> sexy, statuesque. Truly an attractive woman. Ezri was slight in build, 
> girlish 
> looking, self-effacing, unsure. She was so different from Jadzia I was able 
> to 
> say "at least they didn't try to get a Jadzia clone", then relax and let her 
> character try to establish itself. I also enjoyed a few things they did with 
> her, such as all the confusion with Worf as they sorted their feelings out 
> for 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Astromancer]

Like I said...It worked too well...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I 
do not agree. Good examples of it being done well are after Marcus 
died on B5and Buffy's mom or Tara. They both ripped my heart out. But 
I stayed loyal. I do not think that DS9 had the desired affect on me. 
There was a rumor at the time that they wrote Jadzia off the way they 
did because she left to do Becker and I watched less until the last few 
episodes. But I was not as engaged into that part of the story either. 
At the time, I liked the actress. She has stared in Beyond Reality 
series I used to watch. That is not to say that others had the same 
response. I do not remember is there was something else I wanted to 
see more, maybe that is why I watched less. However, filling the hole 
with Ezery was distracting. I had to concentrate not to compare even 
though the character was not really ended to exactly replace Jadzia. I 
thought Fred's death on Angle was handled better. They used the viewers 
natural inclination to not want to like the character to develop the 
character

Astromancer wrote:
> That means my summation was correct...You have to remember that it was the 
> end of the series...It was a risk they could afford and a great piece of 
> conflict to build stories on...Come on, Tracey, look at how you feel about 
> the new Dax...It did what it was supposed to! Worf's reaction was no 
> different than yours...That was some really good writing! Not from the 
> standpoint that it created a like-able storyline, but it was effective in 
> provoking a response...Do you not agree?
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I think bringing in 
> the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake. 
> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have 
> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an 
> occasional guest star.
> Astromancer wrote:
> 
>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to empathize 
>> with those who were affected by her death...Obviously it worked a little too 
>> well...
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I hated that death. 
>> The show was never the same after that
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Another one that went unmentioned, despite the overall goofiness of the 
>>> scene- Jadzia Dax's death on DSNine's "Tears of the Prophets". I cried over 
>>> that for days, and never accepted Ezri because she just wasn't Dax.
>>>
>>> "B. Smith" wrote: I totally agree. 
>>>
>>> A couple that got me:
>>>
>>> Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and 
>>> wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He 
>>> pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.
>>>
>>> Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his 
>>> lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."
>>>
>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd
 Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
 loved those characters so much. The interplay between Zoey and
 Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
 Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
 there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on 

 
>>> film
>>>
>>> 
 Have I mentioned how much I LOOOVVVEEE
 Firefly?

 Bosco
 --- Martin wrote:


 
> Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw it. I
> actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
> remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that I
> had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death
> didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
> watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
> Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as stunning
> as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt
> with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved 
>
> 
>>> Joss'
>>>
>>> 
> gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in its
> rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
> reckoning of what happened.
>
> Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again.
>
>
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> wrote: 
> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
> Source: SyFy Portal
> Jan-15-2008
>
> Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely sticks. In
> nearly 
> every case, the character eventually gets resurrected, cloned,
> replaced 
> by an alternate dimension replica, returned by the powers that 
>
> 
>>> be,
>>>
>>> 
> or 
> continue to haunt and entertain as ghostly versions of

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

oooh  (smirk)

Astromancer wrote:
> Like I said...It worked too well...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I 
> do not agree. Good examples of it being done well are after Marcus 
> died on B5and Buffy's mom or Tara. They both ripped my heart out. But 
> I stayed loyal. I do not think that DS9 had the desired affect on me. 
> There was a rumor at the time that they wrote Jadzia off the way they 
> did because she left to do Becker and I watched less until the last few 
> episodes. But I was not as engaged into that part of the story either. 
> At the time, I liked the actress. She has stared in Beyond Reality 
> series I used to watch. That is not to say that others had the same 
> response. I do not remember is there was something else I wanted to 
> see more, maybe that is why I watched less. However, filling the hole 
> with Ezery was distracting. I had to concentrate not to compare even 
> though the character was not really ended to exactly replace Jadzia. I 
> thought Fred's death on Angle was handled better. They used the viewers 
> natural inclination to not want to like the character to develop the 
> character
>
> Astromancer wrote:
>   
>> That means my summation was correct...You have to remember that it was the 
>> end of the series...It was a risk they could afford and a great piece of 
>> conflict to build stories on...Come on, Tracey, look at how you feel about 
>> the new Dax...It did what it was supposed to! Worf's reaction was no 
>> different than yours...That was some really good writing! Not from the 
>> standpoint that it created a like-able storyline, but it was effective in 
>> provoking a response...Do you not agree?
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I think bringing in 
>> the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake. 
>> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have 
>> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an 
>> occasional guest star.
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to 
>>> empathize with those who were affected by her death...Obviously it worked a 
>>> little too well...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I hated that death. 
>>> The show was never the same after that
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Another one that went unmentioned, despite the overall goofiness of the 
 scene- Jadzia Dax's death on DSNine's "Tears of the Prophets". I cried 
 over that for days, and never accepted Ezri because she just wasn't Dax.

 "B. Smith" wrote: I totally agree. 

 A couple that got me:

 Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and 
 wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He 
 pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.

 Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his 
 lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote:


 
> I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd
> Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
> loved those characters so much. The interplay between Zoey and
> Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
> Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
> there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on 
>
>
>   
 film


 
> Have I mentioned how much I LOOOVVVEEE
> Firefly?
>
> Bosco
> --- Martin wrote:
>
>
>
>   
>> Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw it. I
>> actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
>> remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that I
>> had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death
>> didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
>> watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
>> Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as stunning
>> as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt
>> with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved 
>>
>>
>> 
 Joss'


 
>> gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in its
>> rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
>> reckoning of what happened.
>>
>> Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> wrote: 
>> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
>> Source: SyFy Portal
>> Jan-15-2008
>>
>> Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely stick

[scifinoir2] "Justice League" film officially put on hold

[brent wodehouse]

http://www.cinecon.com/news/1230/justice-league-film-officially-put-on-hold/

"Justice League" film officially put on hold

POSTED 01/17/2008 AT 9:47 AM ET


As expected, The Hollywood Reporter reports that Warner Bros. has
officially put director George Miller's "Justice League" on indefinite
hold. The live-action adaptation of the DC comic series - which would have
featured the likes of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and
the Flash - was seen as a big budget tentpole for the studio but script
problems and the writers' strike have subsequently caused the studio to
wait it out.

The script was written by Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney and while
it was believed that the script was good, later drafts were reportedly
plagued with pacing issues and took the project in directions the studio
wasn't happy with.

The trade also revealed that actors D.J. Cotrona, Adam Brody, Armie
Hammier, Anton Yelchin, Common, Teresa Palmer and Megan Gale had been cast
in the lead roles, though who played what is unknown at this point,
although it was rumored that Brody got the role of the Flash, Common got
the role of Green Lantern, Hammier got the role of Batman, and Megan Gale
had been cast as Wonder Woman.

[scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[brent wodehouse]

Dunno. Looks a bit Mad Max-ish to me.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834146/video/5955640/20080115/148/5955640-100-flash-s.55154954-,5955640-100-wmv-s.55154946-,5955640-300-flash-s.55154956-,5955640-300-wmv-s.55154948-,5955640-700-flash-s.55154958-,5955640-700-wmv-s.55154951-,5955640-
1000-flash-s.55154960-,5955640-1000-wmv-s.55154952-,5955641-2700-qtv-s.55154962-,5955641-6800-qtv-s.55154963-,5955641-10300-qtv-s.55154966-

Re: [scifinoir2] "Justice League" film officially put on hold

[KeithBJohnson]

Meagan Gale ain't bad looking, but she's way too thin to be Wonder Woman.  They 
need someone tall and statuesque for that role...

-- Original message -- 
From: "brent wodehouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
http://www.cinecon.com/news/1230/justice-league-film-officially-put-on-hold/

"Justice League" film officially put on hold

POSTED 01/17/2008 AT 9:47 AM ET

As expected, The Hollywood Reporter reports that Warner Bros. has
officially put director George Miller's "Justice League" on indefinite
hold. The live-action adaptation of the DC comic series - which would have
featured the likes of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and
the Flash - was seen as a big budget tentpole for the studio but script
problems and the writers' strike have subsequently caused the studio to
wait it out.

The script was written by Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney and while
it was believed that the script was good, later drafts were reportedly
plagued with pacing issues and took the project in directions the studio
wasn't happy with.

The trade also revealed that actors D.J. Cotrona, Adam Brody, Armie
Hammier, Anton Yelchin, Common, Teresa Palmer and Megan Gale had been cast
in the lead roles, though who played what is unknown at this point,
although it was rumored that Brody got the role of the Flash, Common got
the role of Green Lantern, Hammier got the role of Batman, and Megan Gale
had been cast as Wonder Woman.


 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Astromancer]

A spacesuit...You're exaggerating! If you're outside long enough to wear a 
parka and a full face mask, you've got the wrong idea about living in cold 
weather...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes before 
they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European families, 
but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it beyond 
her Polish clientele.

"This is very popul

Re: [scifinoir2] ST:New Voyages - again

[Astromancer]

I can never get the darn things to download...

brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  "jmpinva" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> writes:

>All,
>I seem to recall a note or two about Star Trek New Voyages a few years 
>back - startreknewvoyages.com/index.html . I just checked out the 
>latest episode (3 of 3 I think) titled World & Time Enough. Not bad! I 
>like the new Uhuru and the plot is as viable as other TOS episodes. 
>More! More! -fyi -jeff.

Thank you for the alert! I hadn't yet seen the latest episode. Is it very
new?

I agree with your assessment re: Uhura. Very likable, I must say. :-)

One quibble: Erm, WTF is the matter, really, with the captain? His
expression never varied (let's say irritable bowel scowl); whole demeanour
stuck in amber like, voice monotone. But... there was lovely Ilana (sp?)
(and, happily, almost, but ultimately no canoodling with you-know-who).(No
listing who portrayed her in the final credits, oddly. :-( What gives?).
A nice bit of fulfilling viewing, for nearly an hour at least. Cheers!

Brent



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Astromancer]

(shrugging...)

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
oooh (smirk)

Astromancer wrote:
> Like I said...It worked too well...
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I do not agree. Good 
> examples of it being done well are after Marcus 
> died on B5and Buffy's mom or Tara. They both ripped my heart out. But 
> I stayed loyal. I do not think that DS9 had the desired affect on me. 
> There was a rumor at the time that they wrote Jadzia off the way they 
> did because she left to do Becker and I watched less until the last few 
> episodes. But I was not as engaged into that part of the story either. 
> At the time, I liked the actress. She has stared in Beyond Reality 
> series I used to watch. That is not to say that others had the same 
> response. I do not remember is there was something else I wanted to 
> see more, maybe that is why I watched less. However, filling the hole 
> with Ezery was distracting. I had to concentrate not to compare even 
> though the character was not really ended to exactly replace Jadzia. I 
> thought Fred's death on Angle was handled better. They used the viewers 
> natural inclination to not want to like the character to develop the 
> character
>
> Astromancer wrote:
> 
>> That means my summation was correct...You have to remember that it was the 
>> end of the series...It was a risk they could afford and a great piece of 
>> conflict to build stories on...Come on, Tracey, look at how you feel about 
>> the new Dax...It did what it was supposed to! Worf's reaction was no 
>> different than yours...That was some really good writing! Not from the 
>> standpoint that it created a like-able storyline, but it was effective in 
>> provoking a response...Do you not agree?
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I think bringing in 
>> the new Dax as a permanent character was a mistake. 
>> It made it harder to let go of the other Dax. I think they should have 
>> introduced an entirely new character and had the new Dax as an 
>> occasional guest star.
>> Astromancer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I think that was the idea...What I see is the writer wanted you to 
>>> empathize with those who were affected by her death...Obviously it worked a 
>>> little too well...
>>>
>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I hated that death. 
>>> The show was never the same after that
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 Another one that went unmentioned, despite the overall goofiness of the 
 scene- Jadzia Dax's death on DSNine's "Tears of the Prophets". I cried 
 over that for days, and never accepted Ezri because she just wasn't Dax.

 "B. Smith" wrote: I totally agree. 

 A couple that got me:

 Keffer from Babylon 5. He had an encounter with a Shadow vessel and 
 wanted to get evidence in order to force Earthgov into action. He 
 pays the ultimate price but proves the Shadows are real.

 Marcus Cole from B5. He uses an alien machine to transfer his 
 lifeforce into the mortally wounded Ivanova. "I love you."

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco wrote:


 
> I was stomped into the dirt by most of these but Wash and Shepherd
> Book really nailed me. I actually cried in the theater because I
> loved those characters so much. The interplay between Zoey and
> Kaley as they're setting up to deal with the soon to be coming
> Reavers is so devastating and Gina Torres was freaking brilliant
> there. She gives so much with so few words it's almost poetry on 
>
>
> 
 film


 
> Have I mentioned how much I LOOOVVVEEE
> Firefly?
>
> Bosco
> --- Martin wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>> Of these, Wash's death crushed the breath from me when I saw it. I
>> actually doubled over in my seat at the theater, and didn't
>> remember the spectacular ending with River, a "WOW" moment that I
>> had to experience when I first picked up the DVD. Doyle's death
>> didn't hurt as much, though it was a wound that kept me from
>> watching the show for a few weeks afterward. Returning to find
>> Wesley in the cast was no picnic. Joyce's death wasn't as stunning
>> as Buffy's reaction to it, watching a powerful woman who'd dealt
>> with Dracula Himself rendered numb and unable to move. Proved 
>>
>>
>> 
 Joss'


 
>> gift as a writer. Tara's death was also a masterwork, stark in its
>> rendering. Takes the viewer seconds of eternity to come to the
>> reckoning of what happened.
>>
>> Trip...damn the Killer Bees to the Ninth Circle of Hell. Again.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> wrote: 
>> By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
>> Source: SyFy Portal
>> Jan-15-2008
>>
>> Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely st

Re: [scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[Astromancer]

So here I am, sitting here and grunting like Tim Allen...Like, maybe they're 
right...they are running out of idea...

brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Dunno. Looks a bit Mad 
Max-ish to me.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834146/video/5955640/20080115/148/5955640-100-flash-s.55154954-,5955640-100-wmv-s.55154946-,5955640-300-flash-s.55154956-,5955640-300-wmv-s.55154948-,5955640-700-flash-s.55154958-,5955640-700-wmv-s.55154951-,5955640-
1000-flash-s.55154960-,5955640-1000-wmv-s.55154952-,5955641-2700-qtv-s.55154962-,5955641-6800-qtv-s.55154963-,5955641-10300-qtv-s.55154966-



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[KeithBJohnson]

ha-ha! What's wrong with New Mexico? I hear Santa Fe is really nice.  I have 
allergies, too, and the worst part of spring gives me some problems. For years 
I popped pills and all, and then about three years ago i just decided i 
wouldn't do that anymore. I refused to let it get to me. Wonder of wonders, 
it's better. Not *good* by any means. When the pollen count starts climbing 
into that familiar 3000 - 4000 count range, the eyes itch, the throat feels 
dry, and I sneeze all the time. But i'm actually able to handle it without 
popping many pills.

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Badly. My doctor keeps telling me that I should move to New Mexico with my Aunt 
Margie. Thing is, I've been to New Mexico. *New Mexico* doesn't want to live in 
New Mexico.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, you'd hate Texas, then. how do you handle this 
incredibly spore- and pollen-saturated Atlanta air?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
Oh, NO. I have trouble coping with mid- to upper 80s, and that was *before* I 
develpoed respiratory issues.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
children who suffer from respiratory conditions. Visitors wear 
regular comfortable clothes, but usually slip off their shoes before 
they take in the salt air. Most come from Eastern European families, 
but Megi's owner Megi Stoklosa is determined to popularize it beyond 
her Polish clientele.

"This is very popular in Europe but not yet here," said Stoklosa. "I 
am trying to do my best with Americans, but it is very hard when it 
is not conventional medicine. Not everyone believes it."

Poland native Agnes Judaz of Chicago has been bringing her 4-year-old 
son, Patrick, to Galos since he started showing signs of respiratory 
illness two years ago. "He improved a lot and now whenever he gets a 
stuffy nose, I bring him here right away sometimes for three days in 
a row and 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Martin]

Too many of the sheeple are, though.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
 Because you are not buying his BS
 
 Bosco Bosco wrote:
 > Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?
 >
 > B
 > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 >   
 >>  Original Message 
 >> Subject:  RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be
 >> a
 >> KKK organizer.
 >> Date:  Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
 >> From:  Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >> To:  Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>
 >>
 >> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
 >> organizer.
 >> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
 >>
 >> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
 >>
 >> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
 >> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
 >>
 >> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
 >>
 >> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in
 >> a
 >> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
 >> Stormfront
 >> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
 >>
 >> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
 >> 
 >>
 >> Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't
 >> it,
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>  
 >> Yahoo! Groups Links
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> 
 >
 >
 > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
 > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
 >
 > You know these things that happen,
 > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
 > And I can't help but wonder,
 > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
 >
 >
 >   __
 > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
 >
 >
 >  
 > Yahoo! Groups Links
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >   
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Martin]

And exactly how much fun is *that*? ;D

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Sorry, 
guys, I did not mean to miskead you...I don't spend any time in the cold that I 
don't have to...I'll go house-hopping, from car/cab/bus to club or have friends 
over, but that is how most people deal with the cold weather in Chi-town...We 
avoid it, not hang out in it...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Keith, I know what you're saying 
about your body being configured more for the heat than the cold. I have a 
friend in Virginia who's the same way, and she's miserable now that the 
weather's gone cold. Also can't fathom why I've perked up during the same 
interval. I'm a cold-weather beast. If I ahd the money, I'd be living in 
Iceland or Sweden right now, without a thought.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
 I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Astromancer 
 Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin 
 That'll work, too. I love cold weather.
 
 Astromancer wrote: Why?
 Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...
 
 Martin wrote:
 I need to look into this.
 
 ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com
 
 Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.
 
 Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
 restorative powers
 
 By Monica Eng
 
 Tribune reporter
 
 January 17, 2008
 
 As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
 Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
 stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
 my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
 rocks in their hands.
 
 Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
 in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
 60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
 hangover or even improve respiratory health.
 
 Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
 arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
 those from Poland.
 
 "We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
 cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
 Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
 Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
 Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
 and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
 converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."
 
 In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
 Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
 a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
 bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
 folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
 Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
 the products they can use at home.
 
 Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
 salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
 With its 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Martin]

I even know of a couple of Democrats who are buying.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
 Because you are not buying his BS
 
 Bosco Bosco wrote:
 > Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?
 >
 > B
 > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 >   
 >>  Original Message 
 >> Subject:  RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be
 >> a
 >> KKK organizer.
 >> Date:  Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
 >> From:  Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >> To:  Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 >>
 >>
 >> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
 >> organizer.
 >> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
 >>
 >> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
 >>
 >> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
 >> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
 >>
 >> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
 >>
 >> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in
 >> a
 >> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
 >> Stormfront
 >> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
 >>
 >> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
 >> 
 >>
 >> Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't
 >> it,
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>  
 >> Yahoo! Groups Links
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> 
 >
 >
 > I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
 > I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
 >
 > You know these things that happen,
 > That's just the way it's supposed to be.
 > And I can't help but wonder,
 > Don't ya know it coulda been me.
 >
 >
 >   __
 > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
 >
 >
 >  
 > Yahoo! Groups Links
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >   
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "Justice League" film officially put on hold

[Astromancer]

Um...Who cares...Woof!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Meagan Gale ain't bad looking, but she's way 
too thin to be Wonder Woman. They need someone tall and statuesque for that 
role...

-- Original message -- 
From: "brent wodehouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
http://www.cinecon.com/news/1230/justice-league-film-officially-put-on-hold/

"Justice League" film officially put on hold

POSTED 01/17/2008 AT 9:47 AM ET

As expected, The Hollywood Reporter reports that Warner Bros. has
officially put director George Miller's "Justice League" on indefinite
hold. The live-action adaptation of the DC comic series - which would have
featured the likes of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and
the Flash - was seen as a big budget tentpole for the studio but script
problems and the writers' strike have subsequently caused the studio to
wait it out.

The script was written by Kieran Mulroney and Michele Mulroney and while
it was believed that the script was good, later drafts were reportedly
plagued with pacing issues and took the project in directions the studio
wasn't happy with.

The trade also revealed that actors D.J. Cotrona, Adam Brody, Armie
Hammier, Anton Yelchin, Common, Teresa Palmer and Megan Gale had been cast
in the lead roles, though who played what is unknown at this point,
although it was rumored that Brody got the role of the Flash, Common got
the role of Green Lantern, Hammier got the role of Batman, and Megan Gale
had been cast as Wonder Woman.

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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[Justin Mohareb]

Well, at least Sid doesn't appear to be playing a Terrorist again.

Damn lot of Mad Max, though.

JJ Mohareb

On Jan 20, 2008 12:54 AM, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> So here I am, sitting here and grunting like Tim Allen...Like, maybe they're
> right...they are running out of idea...
>
>  brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dunno. Looks a bit Mad
> Max-ish to me.
>
>
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[Astromancer]

Should I rest my case now?

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Well, at least Sid doesn't 
appear to be playing a Terrorist again.

Damn lot of Mad Max, though.

JJ Mohareb

On Jan 20, 2008 12:54 AM, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> So here I am, sitting here and grunting like Tim Allen...Like, maybe they're
> right...they are running out of idea...
>
> brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dunno. Looks a bit Mad
> Max-ish to me.
>
>
>

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Re: [scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[GWashin891]

Good premise the plague and stuff.   Lousy execution-why did they had to go 
the Mad Max route.   They could have easily taken another more orginal path.


-GTW


In a message dated 1/20/08 12:54:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> So here I am, sitting here and grunting like Tim Allen...Like, maybe 
> they're right...they are running out of idea...
> 
> brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:          Dunno. Looks a 
> bit Mad Max-ish to me.
> 
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834146/video/5955640/20080115/148/5955640-1
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Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[KeithBJohnson]

no, that's back to my original statement. I enjoy being outside as much as 
possible. So living somewhere where it's so cold that one has to decide between 
staying inside more, or dressing up like a spacemen? Not for me...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
A spacesuit...You're exaggerating! If you're outside long enough to wear a 
parka and a full face mask, you've got the wrong idea about living in cold 
weather...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
floor.

Like the other two rooms, this one attracts many families with 
child

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Astromancer]

Like I said...you have to live here...and follow the natives...You've been 
living in the warm weather too long...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  And exactly how much fun is *that*? 
;D

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, guys, I did not mean to miskead 
you...I don't spend any time in the cold that I don't have to...I'll go 
house-hopping, from car/cab/bus to club or have friends over, but that is how 
most people deal with the cold weather in Chi-town...We avoid it, not hang out 
in it...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keith, I know what you're saying about your 
body being configured more for the heat than the cold. I have a friend in 
Virginia who's the same way, and she's miserable now that the weather's gone 
cold. Also can't fathom why I've perked up during the same interval. I'm a 
cold-weather beast. If I ahd the money, I'd be living in Iceland or Sweden 
right now, without a thought.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors a

Re: [scifinoir2] Breathe the salty air . . . Restorative powers of salt cafes

[Astromancer]

Well, I'm a great indoorsman and proud of it! Pass the popcorn!!!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  no, that's back to my original statement. I enjoy 
being outside as much as possible. So living somewhere where it's so cold that 
one has to decide between staying inside more, or dressing up like a spacemen? 
Not for me...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
A spacesuit...You're exaggerating! If you're outside long enough to wear a 
parka and a full face mask, you've got the wrong idea about living in cold 
weather...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I loved it in Chi-town during the year I lived 
there. I spent a lot of time outdoors even when it was below zero. Snowball 
fights, cross country walks, movie nights with friends. I get that there's lots 
to do. I just still prefer being able to go outside without having to put a 
spacesuit on. Like I said, my body really is more configured for the heat than 
the cold. The beauty of the changing seasons and the snow in winter is cool, 
but I prefer living here in Atlanta or Texas, where, even when it does snow and 
sleet (like it will Saturday here), you know that two days later it can 
literally be sunny and warm enough to wear a light jacket.
I'm also one of those people who's extremely sensitive to light and color and 
setting. My entire mood and disposition can sometimes "dip" in cloudy or cold 
weather. i'm almost like a plant in my need for sunlight. That too means that I 
do better in climes that are more consistently warm and sunny.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Then you haven't spent ENOUGH time in Chicago...You'd know how we compensate 
for the lack of temperature and certain outdoor activities...We have a lot of 
fun stuff to do when the snow falls...When it gets too nippy, the fun simply 
goes indoors...I can tell that it must be awfully boring when the wheather 
turns bad in Texas...I A & O is the plan every day here...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, here's where we part company! I like the seasons 
and the things that I associate with winter--Christmas, good food, 
fireplaces--but i'm not a fan of the cold at all. But then, being a Texan, i 
guess i'm configured for heat. When you grow up with summertime highs of 110 
regularly, the blood changes!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin 
That'll work, too. I love cold weather.

Astromancer wrote: Why?
Just spend a winter here and drive on the expressways after the winter 
thaw...Lake Michigan's a freshwater lake...Save you money on that saltwater 
thing and follow my afore-mentioned advice...

Martin wrote:
I need to look into this.

ravenadal wrote: chicagotribune.com

Breathe the salty air . . . in Chicago.

Fans flock to salt-covered caves, even dining rooms to get a whiff of 
restorative powers

By Monica Eng

Tribune reporter

January 17, 2008

As I sink into my beach chair, I hear waves rolling onto the shore. 
Salt tingles my sinuses and my lips taste of the sea. There are 
stalactites dangling overhead and warm, crunchy white rocks beneath 
my feet. Polish speakers are all around, holding big scoops of salt 
rocks in their hands.

Freaky dream? Alien abduction? Nope, I'm just hanging at Galos Caves 
in Portage Park, one of three local salt rooms. For devotees, 30 to 
60 minutes in a salt-covered room can help relieve stress, cure a 
hangover or even improve respiratory health.

Once little known outside of Eastern Europe, salt environments have 
arrived in Chicago to serve a small but growing community, especially 
those from Poland.

"We were on vacation in Europe a couple of years ago and we saw a 
cave in a small town and we got the idea to create one here," said 
Jolly Inn Banquets owner Ewa Chwala, whose banquet complex hosts the 
Galos [salt] Caves as well as Chicago's first dining room encased in 
Black Sea salt. "We also heard about a salt dining room near Krakow 
and so when we opened our A la Carte Restaurant [a few months ago] we 
converted one of our salt caves into a small dining room."

In addition to Galos Caves, there's a salt room at Solay Wellness 
Inc. in Skokie outfitted with several salt lamps (bulbs placed inside 
a large chunk of mined salt), a salt ventilation machine and floor 
bricks of ancient Himalayan and Polish crystal salt. Visitors sit on 
folding chairs and take in the salt-saturated air while owner 
Isabella Samovsky tells them about the benefits of salt therapy and 
the products they can use at home.

Megi's Spa in Park Ridge features a large breathing room, where the 
salt on the wall, floors and ceiling has been imported from Poland. 
With its worn wooden beams and faux stalagmite spouting up from the 
floor, the room is designed to resemble a salt mine. Crystal salt 
rocks glow in the walls and two fountains flow with a brine solution. 
Visitors can get a massage on one of two tables, recline on mesh 
loungers or play with the buckets and salt pebbles that cover the 
flo

Re: [scifinoir2] 'Doomsday' Trailer

[Astromancer]

Because...Someone got that 'Great Idea' and...well...you know the rest, 
that horrible left turn at the Thunderdome...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Good premise the plague and stuff. Lousy 
execution-why did they had to go 
the Mad Max route. They could have easily taken another more orginal path.

-GTW

In a message dated 1/20/08 12:54:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> So here I am, sitting here and grunting like Tim Allen...Like, maybe 
> they're right...they are running out of idea...
> 
> brent wodehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Dunno. Looks a 
> bit Mad Max-ish to me.
> 
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834146/video/5955640/20080115/148/5955640-1
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[scifinoir2] [Fwd: Re: intaxication had me rolling]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: intaxication had me rolling
Date:   Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:39:18 -0600
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*Each year, the WashingtonPost's hosts a Mensa Invitational in which
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you rapidly.*
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three in the morning and cannot be cast out. *
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*   The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof*
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Re: [scifinoir2] Seen The Teeth- not Afraid of The Vagina

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I could not help it guys

Astromancer wrote:
> Yes, this group has its racier moments...
>
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Martin has engaged Full Genital 
> Defense Mode, and will not even *drive past* any theater showing this movie. 
> 8-O
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> After all the talk of killer sheep. I had to post this. So are you 
> guys going to see this movie?
>
> Harry has seen TEETH - and is still not afraid of the vagina!!!
> http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35308
>
> You know – for a movie about a tooth filled vagina that bites fingers 
> and penises off – this film plays a lot like a Cronenberg-esque HEROES 
> episode about a young girl with a strange power and a lot of awkward, 
> vulnerable and heart-achingly true scenes of what it is like to be an 
> innocent girl coming to terms with her budding sexuality and the 
> inherent power of the vagina.
>
> The very subject matter of this movie scares some women into thinking 
> they’ll be outraged – and at the same time – it scares the penis out of 
> men. So why would anyone watch a film about a subject matter we just 
> don’t – collectively – want to think about?
>
> Well… what if it is handled right?
>
> What if the story is handled delicately and with restraint? What if 
> there’s not shot of a toothy biting crotch monster – and instead it’s a 
> film about empowering the victim – and giving her a strength and a power 
> that is actually quite delicious – and allows the young innocent lamb to 
> be a wolf in sheep’s clothing – striking at those that would fleece and 
> cook the young lamb?
>
> That’s the sort of movie this is. One that can be interpretated by the 
> Christian right as being a cautionary tale about going back on your vows 
> of chastity. While on the other hand, being a badass tale of a young 
> lady blossoming into an empowered and sexually active female that can 
> take the sexual power back from the penatrator.
>
> I haven’t seen this sort of horror since the heyday of David Cronenberg. 
> Think RABID – think SHIVERS – think THE BROOD. This is a new flesh film 
> going on the very old mythology of vagina dentate – which culturally 
> goes back to the stone age, but with a modern age exploration and 
> revelation.
>
> Is Mitchell Lichtenstein the new Cronenberg? I wouldn’t say so, because 
> other than the adaptability of the human body – tonally they’re as far 
> apart as night and day. No – Lichtenstein is a combination of Cronenberg 
> and Alexander Payne – playing very much as a combination of ELECTION and 
> SHIVERS. There’s fear, but hope and humor. It is very much a fearful and 
> terrifying film for our lead actress, until the second half of the film, 
> which gives her an illuminating look at her own problem.
>
> This is a very very smart movie and one that despite a really terrifying 
> amount of intimate gore – it plays tender. Seriously.
>
> Jess Weixler’s Dawn is very much a sweet and endearing character. The 
> flower of the story with it’s thorn. The characters that surround her 
> are also tenderly drawn. Even if the pricks are pricks.
>
> The movie is opening this weekend in New York (one theater) and in Los 
> Angeles in several. If you love good strong smart horror with subtext 
> and nudity – then you owe it to yourself to get out there and support 
> this very smart film. The following week it’ll be opening in seven more 
> cities, then depending on the reaction there – other places in the 
> country will get to see it… but make no mistake – the simple premise 
> will keep mountains of ninnies away from this picture – but frankly – if 
> I had a teenage girl or boy – I’d take them and as many of their friends 
> to see this movie. Not to scare them away from sex, but to having an 
> open and frank discussion of the very real fears about opening that door 
> at that early of an age.
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> While also having a smart fun, scary and wild movie to revel in.
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I know-- depresses me.  my brother in law almost ell for it, but 
fortunately he asked me what I had heard about Paul, and I sent him some 
stuff

Martin wrote:
> I even know of a couple of Democrats who are buying.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Because you are not buying his BS
>  
>  Bosco Bosco wrote:
>  > Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations?
>  >
>  > B
>  > --- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  >   
>  >>  Original Message 
>  >> Subject:  RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be
>  >> a
>  >> KKK organizer.
>  >> Date:  Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800
>  >> From:  Chris de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >> To:  Tracey de Morsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK
>  >> organizer.
>  >> Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy.
>  >>
>  >> http://tiny.cc/FmxR1
>  >>
>  >> Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event
>  >> July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page
>  >>
>  >> http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php
>  >>
>  >> You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in
>  >> a
>  >> delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group
>  >> Stormfront
>  >> and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?)
>  >>
>  >> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul

[james]

As someone who has been involved with the libertarian movement for about a
decade, I can shed a little light on things.  Like the Democratic Party
and Republican Party - there are many factions constituting the
Libertarian Party and libertarianism in general.

There are libertarians, neo-libertarians, left-libertarians,
paleo-libertarians and Randites who are different, clashing factions.

Neo-libertarians are closet conservative ass-clowns who endlessly rail on
about socialist Democrats, yet constantly make excuses for the behaviours
of Republicans.  They tend to like big wars and trust damned near anything
Republicans do except when they spend large amounts of money (i.e., the
PATRIOT Act is okay, but Medicare Part D is the worst thing that ever
happened to this country, etc.)  Otherwise, they are generally
conservatives.

Left-libertarians (like me) tend to be completely disgusted with both the
Democratic Party and the Republican Party.  Many are anarchistic in nature
or leaning that direction.  Some of us (myself included) participate in
the Democratic Freedom Caucus a libertarian caucus within the Democratic
Party and the LP Radical Caucus.  We tend to be the civil liberties
guardians and more prone to beat up on the GOP more consistently than
other libertarian factions.

Randites, also known as Randroids, are fellow travelers with
neo-libertarians and sometimes paleo-libertarians, depending on the issue.
 They've read all of Ayn's books and essays and take a lot of her work out
of context or just plain Go. Too. Far.  They are NOT libertarians, but are
often confused as such, given they share many of the same beliefs.  In
general, the more one is exposed to this mindset, the more it appears to
be cultish in nature and their stances based more on emotion than logic.

Paleo-libertarians tend to be the anti-abortion rights, anti-gay rights,
anti-immigration (at least as far as Latinos go) race-baiting types who
are often involved in skin color collectivism or excuse-making for
religious right types.  They are the closest thing to the religious right
within the libertarian movement.

The guys you find running around in the woods of Georgia playing militia,
and in love with their weapons, worshiping the confederacy, tend to be
paleo-libertarians - not run-of-the-mill libertarians.  While they
sometimes are on the right side of an issue they are just as often out in
right field or prone to wingnuttery - like obsessing over the gold
standard.

Ron Paul is a paleo-libertarian.  While he is right on the war, U.S.
imperialism, the PATRIOT Act and domestic surveillance, he is wrong on
abortion, homosexual rights, and immigration.  Not to mention his old
newsletter.  The newsletter articles had been rumoured for years - though
not circulated in recent years to my knowledge.  The exposure given this
issue by investigative bloggers and journalists during this campaign was
the first most of us who in the latter day libertarian movement have had
to actual proof of the articles racist content.  Disturbing shit.

Paul has had decades to reveal who actually wrote those articles and out
the individual(s).  My money says it was Lew Rockwell or one of his
people.  Instead, for years Paul has made no apologies and/or feeble
apologies without naming names of his ghostwriter(s).

I was never a Paul fan - based on his abortion and homosexuality stances.
The confirmation of the newsletter rumours has not improved his standing
in my eyes.  Nor has it impressed and endeared him in the eyes of rank and
file libertarians.

The movement has long been under siege by conservatives who are tired of
losing elections via LP spoiler candidates.  Bob Barr is one such
individual who lost his seat in Congress due to an LP candidate who
covered the margin between him and his Democratic opponent.

Many LP members are defecting or dropping out of electoral politics
altogether in disgust.  Further, the LP platform was gutted by a
neo-libertarian takeover of the national committee in 2004.  Since then,
the  party has been turning into Republican-lite.  If the LP Radical
Caucus (of which I am a member) is not able to turn things back around at
this year's national convention, I fear the GOP takeover of the LP will be
complete.

But that means the party will be have been co-opted, not the ideology. 
Unfortunately, the term "libertarian" is rapidly losing it's meaning due
to disaffected conservatives now calling themselves libertarians - when in
really most of them are not interested in libertarianism, just in
differentiating themselves from the neo-cons currently running the GOP.

Of course, this is not much different from the near merger of the GOP and
Democratic Party over the last 25 years.  A few major issues still
separate them, but increasingly less over time.

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