RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
First Laugh of the Morn Award If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:33:45 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture http://murairo. notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief – widespread among US Christians – that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online.
RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
Tracey, I showed thios to my mother and sister, both Christians. Neither were amused in the least. I had to leave the house in order to laugh again. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 16:07:43 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture I should and I am still laughing. This is too good. I’ve had enough of the religious right From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:54 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture http://murairo.notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief – widespread among US Christians – that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009
Re: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
I agree completely! Christian Fundamentalists have changed the religion. That's why the Pope called them a cult. They thrive in this country because America allows them to exist. We allow freedom of religion. So we can have Satan worshipers, Christian snake dancers, Rajnesh worshipers, and Christian Fundamentalists. The problem is that fundamentalists have been not just manipulating religion but they have been also influencing education. Want to read some serious fiction? Check out a fundamentalist history book. Scary... On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On *Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com* wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture http://murairo. notlong.com http://murairo.notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief – widespread among US Christians – that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. -- Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now.http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing diversity to perversity
RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
(standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:44:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture I agree completely! Christian Fundamentalists have changed the religion. That's why the Pope called them a cult. They thrive in this country because America allows them to exist. We allow freedom of religion. So we can have Satan worshipers, Christian snake dancers, Rajnesh worshipers, and Christian Fundamentalists. The problem is that fundamentalists have been not just manipulating religion but they have been also influencing education. Want to read some serious fiction? Check out a fundamentalist history book. Scary... On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@yahoo.com wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture http://murairo. notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief – widespread among US Christians – that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows
[scifinoir2] FW: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform
From: kalpub...@aol.com [mailto:kalpub...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:26 PM To: jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; Subject: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform COUNTERPUNCH.COM http://www.counterpunch.com Labor Day Edition September 7, 2009 Why Obama Needed Single Payer on the Table Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform By VICENTE NAVARRO Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of Barack Obama. Early on, I warned many on the left that his slogan, “Yes, we can,” could not be read as a commitment to the major change this country needs (see “Yes, We Can. Can We? http://www.counterpunch.com/navarro03062008.html The Next Failure of Health Reform”). Still, I actively supported him against John McCain and was very pleased when he became president – for many reasons, encompassing a broad range of feelings. O ne reason was that Obama is African-American, and the country needed to have a black president. Another was that his election seemed to signal the end of the Bush era. But, the most important reason was that I saw him as a decent man, surrounded by some good people who could promote change from the center and open up some possibilities for progress, giving the left a chance to influence the administration’s policies. Well, after just over seven months of the Obama White House, I have no reason to doubt that he is a decent man, but I am dismayed by the bad judgment he has shown in the choice of some of his staff and advisors. I really doubt that he is going to be able to make the changes we need. As I said, I never had great expectations about him and his policies, but even the lowest of my expectations have not been met. Some among the many skeptics on the left might add, “What did you expect?” Well, at least I expected Obama to show the same degree of astuteness that he and his team had shown during the campaign. He seemed to be a brilliant strategist, and his election proves this. But my greatest disappointment is the strategies he is now following in his proposals for health care reform – they could not be worse. I am really concerned that the fiasco of this reform may make Obama a one-term president. Error number One One of the two major objectives for health care reform, as emphasized by Obama, is the need to reduce medical care costs. The notion that “the economy cannot afford a medical care system so costly, with the annual increases of medical care running wild” has been repeated over and over – only the tone varies, depending on the audience. An element of this argument is Obama’s emphasis on eliminating the federal deficit. He stresses that most of the government deficit is due to the outrageous growth in costs in federal health programs. Thus, a crucial part of the message he is transmitting is the health care reform objective of reducing costs. This message, as it reaches the average citizen, seems like a threat to achieve cost reductions by cutting existing benefits. This perception is particularly accentuated among elderly people – which is not unreasonable, given that the president indicates that the funds needed to provide health benefits coverage to the 48 million currently uncovered will come partially from existing programs, such as Medicare, with savings supposedly achieved by increasing efficiency. To the average citizen (who has developed an enormous skepticism about the political process), this call for savings by increasing efficiency sounds like a code for cutting benefits. Not surprisingly , then, one sector of the population most skeptical about health care reform is seniors – the beneficiaries of Medicare. The comment that “government should keep its hands off my Medicare,” as heard at some of the town hall meetings, is not as paradoxical or ridiculous as the liberal media paint it. It makes a lot of sense. An increasing number of elderly people feel that the uninsured are going to be insured at the expense of seniors’ benefits. Error Number Two The second major objective of health care reform as presented by Obama is to provide health benefits coverage for the uncovered: the 48 million people who don’t have any form of health benefits coverage. This is an important and urgently needed intervention. The U.S. cannot claim to be a civilized nation and a defender of human rights around the world unless this major human and moral problem at home is resolved once and for all. But, however important, this is not the largest problem we have in the health care sector. The most widespread problem is not being uninsured but underinsured: the majority of people in the U.S. – 168 million, to be precise – are underinsured. And many (32 per cent) are not even aware of this until they need their health insurance coverage. This
[scifinoir2] RE: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform
This hits the nail on the head. . So sad , but true. If he does not changes things quickly, he is in danger of being a one term president From: kalpub...@aol.com [mailto:kalpub...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:26 PM To: jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; killa...@gmail.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; kimbe...@luftworld.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com Subject: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform COUNTERPUNCH.COM http://www.counterpunch.com Labor Day Edition September 7, 2009 Why Obama Needed Single Payer on the Table Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform By VICENTE NAVARRO Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of Barack Obama. Early on, I warned many on the left that his slogan, “Yes, we can,” could not be read as a commitment to the major change this country needs (see “Yes, We Can. Can We? http://www.counterpunch.com/navarro03062008.html The Next Failure of Health Reform”). Still, I actively supported him against John McCain and was very pleased when he became president – for many reasons, encompassing a broad range of feelings. O ne reason was that Obama is African-American, and the country needed to have a black president. Another was that his election seemed to signal the end of the Bush era. But, the most important reason was that I saw him as a decent man, surrounded by some good people who could promote change from the center and open up some possibilities for progress, giving the left a chance to influence the administration’s policies. Well, after just over seven months of the Obama White House, I have no reason to doubt that he is a decent man, but I am dismayed by the bad judgment he has shown in the choice of some of his staff and advisors. I really doubt that he is going to be able to make the changes we need. As I said, I never had great expectations about him and his policies, but even the lowest of my expectations have not been met. Some among the many skeptics on the left might add, “What did you expect?” Well, at least I expected Obama to show the same degree of astuteness that he and his team had shown during the campaign. He seemed to be a brilliant strategist, and his election proves this. But my greatest disappointment is the strategies he is now following in his proposals for health care reform – they could not be worse. I am really concerned that the fiasco of this reform may make Obama a one-term president. Error number One One of the two major objectives for health care reform, as emphasized by Obama, is the need to reduce medical care costs. The notion that “the economy cannot afford a medical care system so costly, with the annual increases of medical care running wild” has been repeated over and over – only the tone varies, depending on the audience. An element of this argument is Obama’s emphasis on eliminating the federal deficit. He stresses that most of the government deficit is due to the outrageous growth in costs in federal health programs. Thus, a crucial part of the message he is transmitting is the health care reform objective of reducing costs. This message, as it reaches the average citizen, seems like a threat to achieve cost reductions by cutting existing benefits. This perception is particularly accentuated among elderly people – which is not unreasonable, given that the president indicates that the funds needed to provide health benefits coverage to the 48 million currently uncovered will come partially from existing programs, such as Medicare, with savings supposedly achieved by increasing efficiency. To the average citizen (who has developed an enormous skepticism about the political process), this call for savings by increasing efficiency sounds like a code for cutting benefits. Not surprisingly , then, one sector of the population most skeptical about health care reform is seniors – the beneficiaries of Medicare. The comment that “government should keep its hands off my Medicare,” as heard at some of the town hall meetings, is not as paradoxical or ridiculous as the liberal media paint it. It makes a lot of sense. An increasing number of elderly people feel that the uninsured are going to be insured at the expense of seniors’ benefits. Error Number Two The second major objective of health care reform as presented by Obama is to provide health benefits coverage for
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform
ahar...@earthlink.net Totally. I made the right choice to vote for Cynthia McKinney. Outraged Amy From: kalpub...@aol.com [mailto:kalpub...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:26 PM To: jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; Subject: Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform COUNTERPUNCH.COM http://www.counterpunch.com Labor Day Edition September 7, 2009 Why Obama Needed Single Payer on the Table Obama's Mistakes in Health Care Reform By VICENTE NAVARRO Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of Barack Obama. Early on, I warned many on the left that his slogan, “Yes, we can,” could not be read as a commitment to the major change this country needs (see “Yes, We Can. Can We? The Next Failure of Health Reform”). Still, I actively supported him against John McCain and was very pleased when he became president – for many reasons, encompassing a broad range of feelings. O ne reason was that Obama is African-American, and the country needed to have a black president. Another was that his election seemed to signal the end of the Bush era. But, the most important reason was that I saw him as a decent man, surrounded by some good people who could promote change from the center and open up some possibilities for progress, giving the left a chance to influence the administration’s policies. Well, after just over seven months of the Obama White House, I have no reason to doubt that he is a decent man, but I am dismayed by the bad judgment he has shown in the choice of some of his staff and advisors. I really doubt that he is going to be able to make the changes we need. As I said, I never had great expectations about him and his policies, but even the lowest of my expectations have not been met. Some among the many skeptics on the left might add, “What did you expect?” Well, at least I expected Obama to show the same degree of astuteness that he and his team had shown during the campaign. He seemed to be a brilliant strategist, and his election proves this. But my greatest disappointment is the strategies he is now following in his proposals for health care reform – they could not be worse. I am really concerned that the fiasco of this reform may make Obama a one-term president. Error number One One of the two major objectives for health care reform, as emphasized by Obama, is the need to reduce medical care costs. The notion that “the economy cannot afford a medical care system so costly, with the annual increases of medical care running wild” has been repeated over and over – only the tone varies, depending on the audience. An element of this argument is Obama’s emphasis on eliminating the federal deficit. He stresses that most of the government deficit is due to the outrageous growth in costs in federal health programs. Thus, a crucial part of the message he is transmitting is the health care reform objective of reducing costs. This message, as it reaches the average citizen, seems like a threat to achieve cost reductions by cutting existing benefits. This perception is particularly accentuated among elderly people – which is not unreasonable, given that the president indicates that the funds needed to provide health benefits coverage to the 48 million currently uncovered will come partially from existing programs, such as Medicare, with savings supposedly achieved by increasing efficiency. To the average citizen (who has developed an enormous skepticism about the political process), this call for savings by increasing efficiency sounds like a code for cutting benefits. Not surprisingly , then, one sector of the population most skeptical about health care reform is seniors – the beneficiaries of Medicare. The comment that “government should keep its hands off my Medicare,” as heard at some of the town hall meetings, is not as paradoxical or ridiculous as the liberal media paint it. It makes a lot of sense. An increasing number of elderly people feel that the uninsured are going to be insured at the expense of seniors’ benefits. Error Number Two The second major objective of health care reform as presented by Obama is to provide health benefits coverage for the uncovered: the 48 million people who don’t have any form of health benefits coverage. This is an important and urgently needed intervention. The U.S. cannot claim to be a civilized nation and a defender of human rights around the world unless this major human and moral problem at home is resolved once and for all. But, however important, this is not the largest problem we have in the health care sector. The most widespread problem is not being uninsured but underinsured: the majority of people in the U.S. – 168 million, to be precise – are underinsured. And many (32 per cent) are
[scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself for another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday, Enterprise or TNG on Monday. Maybe some Eureka or BSG thrown in for good measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the reality show Destination Truth, and all day Labor Day, Ghost Hunters. WTF??? Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled, that they can show. There's The Dresden Files, Special Unit 7. there's even that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital. What about old eps of First Wave? I'd take that over searches for urban legends and local myths. Hell, they can pull out Space: Above and Beyond if they want. I'd watch it over those idiot Ghostbuster wannabes. Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly for entertainment. But when I was home? I watched marathons of Ben 10: Alien Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, and science fact shows The Universe and Planet Earth instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch cartoons more than a supposed science fiction channel all weekend.
[scifinoir2] White people stole my car. Google: Did you mean black people...
http://aivaecu.notlong.com When people initially began to search for white people stole my car, Google suggested that they might actually have wanted to search for black people stole my car. Truemorist wonders if this indicates anything about race relations in the United States, because, according to Google Insights, 100% of the people searching for white people stole my car were from the United States.
[scifinoir2] Re: Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
You had me at rapture monkeys. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM  I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture  http://murairo. notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief â widespread among US Christians â that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now.
[scifinoir2] Re: Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
People forget the United States of America is a very young country. I have a friend whose puppy got sick every time she took him for a ride in her car. I told her not to worry. When the puppy is old enough he will outgrow this tendency. He did and he did. I believe a more mature America will outgrow this lunacy. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree completely! Christian Fundamentalists have changed the religion. That's why the Pope called them a cult. They thrive in this country because America allows them to exist. We allow freedom of religion. So we can have Satan worshipers, Christian snake dancers, Rajnesh worshipers, and Christian Fundamentalists. The problem is that fundamentalists have been not just manipulating religion but they have been also influencing education. Want to read some serious fiction? Check out a fundamentalist history book. Scary... On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On *Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...* wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture http://murairo. notlong.com http://murairo.notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief â widespread among US Christians â that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the
RE: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
I think that get high ratings for the shows and syndication is probably cheaper. They chased me away long ago. I check in avery once in a while, but they are very reliable with their horrible programming (from my perspective) From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:18 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself for another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday, Enterprise or TNG on Monday. Maybe some Eureka or BSG thrown in for good measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the reality show Destination Truth, and all day Labor Day, Ghost Hunters. WTF??? Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled, that they can show. There's The Dresden Files, Special Unit 7. there's even that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital. What about old eps of First Wave? I'd take that over searches for urban legends and local myths. Hell, they can pull out Space: Above and Beyond if they want. I'd watch it over those idiot Ghostbuster wannabes. Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly for entertainment. B ut when I was home? I watched marathons of Ben 10: Alien Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, and science fact shows The Universe and Planet Earth instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch cartoons more than a supposed science fiction channel all weekend.
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
My husband too. We were laying in bed about to go to sleep and he starts chuckling. I ask him why, and he says, rapture monkeys I think I'm going to use that -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:20 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture You had me at rapture monkeys. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM  I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture  http://murairo. notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief †widespread among US Christians †that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. Post your
Re: [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
There has to be older scifi movies that are the same price as the crappy new ones that they are playing. They have been showing a movie called Spring Break Shark Attack... Just the name alone tells you that it is bad. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I think that get high ratings for the shows and syndication is probably cheaper. They chased me away long ago. I check in avery once in a while, but they are very reliable with their horrible programming (from my perspective) *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Monday, September 07, 2009 7:18 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers? So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself for another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday, Enterprise or TNG on Monday. Maybe some Eureka or BSG thrown in for good measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the reality show Destination Truth, and all day Labor Day, Ghost Hunters. WTF??? Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled, that they can show. There's The Dresden Files, Special Unit 7. there's even that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital. What about old eps of First Wave? I'd take that over searches for urban legends and local myths. Hell, they can pull out Space: Above and Beyond if they want. I'd watch it over those idiot Ghostbuster wannabes. Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly for entertainment. B ut when I was home? I watched marathons of Ben 10: Alien Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, and science fact shows The Universe and Planet Earth instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch cartoons more than a supposed science fiction channel all weekend. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture
Another factoid. The bible never mentioned an apple in the garden of Eden. It was a fruit. There were no apples in the middle east. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: You had me at rapture monkeys. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Laugh all you want. There's absolutely nothing in the bible about the rapture. Jesus did not teach about a rapture. None of his disciples taught about a rapture. The Bible never mentions it. Only American fundamentalist protestant Christians really even consider it a reality.Remember that thing about the stupid people ruining it for the rest of us. This is one of the things the stupid people believe. Yes I am belittling a religious belief. Yes I'm comfortable with that. I'm not gonna be LEFT BEHIND, I'm gonna STAY BEHIND because, assuming the infintesimal possibility that there is a rapture coming, I'd rather burn in hell for all eternity than spend it in heaven with the rapture monkeys. I only wish I had thought of the petcare idea. My favorite rapture joke ever? A bumper sticker that reads: Come The Rapture, Can I have your Car? Bosco --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:53 PM  I shouldn't be laughing... really I shouldn't. Martin (won't be taking care of any Christians' pets, because he'll be slow-roasting for this) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ravena...@yahoo. com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:55:21 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Atheists offer to care for Christians' pets after rapture  http://murairo. notlong.com Now a group of atheists in the US have come up with a tongue-in-cheek solution, offering to take in the cats and dogs of saved believers in return for a small fee. All the atheists signed up by Eternal Earth-Bound Pets are self-confessed sinners and blasphemers, guaranteeing they will be left behind when the chosen are selected The business idea is an irreverent attempt to cash in on the belief †widespread among US Christians †that the pious will be carried up to heaven by God in a sudden swoop, leaving unbelievers to endure the seven-year reign of the anti-Christ on Earth. According to some polls, as many as 55 per cent of Americans believe in the notion of the Rapture. You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? the group's website asks. Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind. For $110, the firm promises lifetime care for almost all domestic pets if their owners are transported to heaven within the next ten years. The offer may sound far-fetched, and even a little provocative, but the group insists it is not joking. It claims to have a network of pet-loving atheists spread across 20 states to ensure speedy, local animal care wherever the Rapture occurs, and has established a PayPal account to take subscriptions. The founders also assure believers that their animals will enjoy an excellent quality of life: All pets will live in loving homes, not in animal shelters or pet 'mills'. And while the company promises that all its atheist carers are moral people with no criminal records, it stresses that they are not too saintly. Each of our representatives has stated to us in writing that they are atheists, do not believe in God / Jesus, and that they have blasphemed in accordance with Mark 3:29, negating any chance of salvation, the website states. But potential customers would be advised to read the terms and conditions before forking out their $110; if the subscriber loses their faith or is not Raputered in the next 10 years, they are not entitled to a refund. The venture follows the launch last year of a new internet service designed to allow Christian subscribers to send emails to non-believing friends and relatives after the Rapture. Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
