RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-23 Thread Tracey de Morsella 
NOT!!   J

 

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He does tend to sublimate his feelings when posting...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





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Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

  


No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how  you really feel...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM

  

Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere
and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night
for years. Fallon is just a waste of space.

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Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not
more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent
(Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I
think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help
but hurt Conan.
I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how
about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with
skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back
and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success.
But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes
haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol"
or "Dancing with the Stars"???
Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"?


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RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-23 Thread Martin Baxter 

He does tend to sublimate his feelings when posting...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:55:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


















 



  



  
  
  No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how  you really feel...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM


  

Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere and 
not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night for 
years. Fallon is just a waste of space.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more 
talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel 
and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. 
He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan.
I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about 
an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, 
singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't 
succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it 
could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so 
far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol" or "Dancing with the 
Stars"???
Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"?


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I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective.  

 
1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on 
ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  
2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the 
same show, an hour before his old show
3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same 
audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch 
the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people 
turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience 
away from Conan.
4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno 
had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience 
Conan would have pulled
5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing 
the same with Coco. 
 
I hope the Tonight show tanks. 
 


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Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 





Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-23 Thread Mr. Worf 
Oh don't get me started! :) Fallon is the worst waste of space on tv!
Infomercials are more entertaining than his disjointed sap!

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, C.W. Badie wrote:

>
>
> No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how  you really feel...
>
>
> "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
> From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM
>
>
> Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere
> and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night
> for years. Fallon is just a waste of space.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson  comcast.net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not
>> more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent
>> (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I
>> think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help
>> but hurt Conan.
>> I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how
>> about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with
>> skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back
>> and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success.
>> But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes
>> haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol"
>> or "Dancing with the Stars"???
>> Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread C.W. Badie 
No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how  you really feel...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM


  



Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere and 
not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night for 
years. Fallon is just a waste of space.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more 
talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel 
and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. 
He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan.
I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about 
an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, 
singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't 
succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it 
could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so 
far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol" or "Dancing with the 
Stars"???
Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"?


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"CINQUE" , dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. net, 
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 speakeasy. net, "Zanfordino Anthony" 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!



I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective.  
 
1.    When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on 
ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  
2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the 
same show, an hour before his old show
3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same 
audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch 
the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people 
turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience 
away from Conan.
4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno 
had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience 
Conan would have pulled
5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing 
the same with Coco. 
 
I hope the Tonight show tanks. 
 


From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 





Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers,

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Baxter 

I would've watched that more than I have Leno's 10 pm show. I really like 
COnan, but I often nod off on him.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:44:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


















 



  



  
  
  Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they 
had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".


End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows.


NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 


Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is.

***

http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


by Tim Surette
 TV.com Staff Writer

01/21/10 10:15 AM




   
   


 










What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45
million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan 
O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter, 
as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with 
NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations.





First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was
about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million
and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing
$12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say
O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of
his pocket. 




O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien 
will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the 
start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight 
Show with Jay Leno
on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the
long w

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Baxter 

I expect that it will, Tracey.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




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Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


















 



  



  
  
  








I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an
interesting perspective.  

 

1.  
 When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to
compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  

2.  
When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present
the same show, an hour before his old show

3.  
Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the
same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people
watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If
people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the
audience away from Conan.

4.  
The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if
Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what
audience Conan would have pulled

5.  
Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is
doing the same with Coco. 

 

I hope the Tonight show tanks. 

 





From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith
Johnson

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!





 











Wow,
thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's
going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over
the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to
explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the
scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing
something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed
it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".



End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months,
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for
both shows.



NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format.
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to
taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 



Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original
programming on broadcast TV as it is.



***

http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1

Conan
O'Brien: Free At Last!



by
Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 









What's the going
rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a
late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien
vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The
Hollywood Reporter, as both sides have agreed to a deal that
frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta 
stipulations.



First, let's talk
money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is
reportedly worth between $45 million and

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Mr. Worf 
Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere
and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night
for years. Fallon is just a waste of space.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not
> more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent
> (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I
> think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help
> but hurt Conan.
> I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how
> about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with
> skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back
> and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success.
> But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes
> haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol"
> or "Dancing with the Stars"???
> Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " ,
> afrikanm...@hotmail.com, "Albert Fields" ,
> bettil...@msn.com, "CINQUE" ,
> dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net,
> "GTW" , "Jeffrey Ballou" ,
> "Kai Pettaway" , kalpub...@aol.com,
> keithbjohn...@comcast.net, "Kera" , "Leroy Hughes" <
> seriousnup...@yahoo.com>, "Logic" , "Martin Baxter" <
> truthseeker...@icqmail.com>, "Marvalous" , "Michael
> Gordon" , "michael v w gordon" <
> michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com>, "ravenadal" ,
> rs...@yahoo.com, "Seku Brathwaite" , "Valery
> Jean" , "Wendell Theophilus Smith" <
> wendellsmit...@gmail.com>, "Whitney J Evans" <
> sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net>, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, "Zanfordino
> Anthony" 
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
>
>  I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an
> interesting perspective.
>
>
>
> 1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to
> compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.
>
> 2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to
> present the same show, an hour before his old show
>
> 3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same
> audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch
> the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people
> turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the
> audience away from Conan.
>
> 4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if
> Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what
> audience Conan would have pulled
>
> 5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is
> doing the same with Coco.
>
>
>
> I hope the Tonight show tanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Keith Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill,
> but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker
> from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial
> channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need
> to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child
> who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made
> what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest
> "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".
>
> End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
> replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the
> expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get
> who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after
> only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his
> stride. And I

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Baxter 

Say it again.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:50:56 +0000
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


















 



  



  
  
  
Yeah, and like I said recently, the funny/sad thing is they're helping bring on 
their own demise, like a negative feedback loop. They lament/fear the death of 
successful scripted television due to rising costs, shrinking audiences, and 
cable TV's rise, so they *drop* arguably their most important time slot for 
scripted television, thus causing shrinking audiences, helping cable TV's rise, 
and frankly, not saving so much money due to the payout to O'Brien.
This will go down as one of the worst decisions in TV programming history.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:35:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!








 



  



  
  
  They were already leaning in that direction with all of those SNL 
specials. I don't think that they have anything in the can to fill the void. 
Unless they pull out some mini-series or something. 



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:





















I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a 
talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or 
comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, 
Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, 
dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of 
scripted programming for this? Bad move...



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!








 



  



  
  
  Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they 
had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:






















Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".



End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows.



NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 



Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is.

***


http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Keith Johnson 
what was the skit? Was it funny at least? 

- Original Message - 
From: "George Arterberry"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:04:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 








Conan lost pointes from me blowing a million and a half on a skit for a car. 




From: Keith Johnson  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:55:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 





I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a 
talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or 
comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, 
Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, 
dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of 
scripted programming for this? Bad move... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 






Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had 
swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot". 

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows. 

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is. 

 * * *  
http://www.tv. com/conan- obrien-free- at-last!/ story/20919. html?tag= 
hotspot;gumball; 1 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 

by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!




What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you 
hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC 
saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides 
have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and 
includes a whole lotta stipulations. 

First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The 
entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with 
Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel 
too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his 
employees' severance packages out of his pocket. 

O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien 
will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the 
start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight 
Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will 
rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. 

The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the 
characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very 
relatable Masturbating Bea

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Tracey de Morsella 
Like I said…for me this was more about NBC trying to do away with scripted TV 
altogether.  So, I want it to cost them big

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Wright Kelwyn
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:33 AM
To: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Lockhart, Daryle ; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; Albert Fields; 
bettil...@msn.com; CINQUE; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; 
fis...@bellsouth.net; GTW; Jeffrey Ballou; Kai Pettaway; kalpub...@aol.com; 
keithbjohn...@comcast.net; Kera; Leroy Hughes; Logic; Martin Baxter; Marvalous; 
Michael Gordon; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rs...@yahoo.com; Seku Brathwaite; 
Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; 
williamsf...@speakeasy.net; Zanfordino Anthony
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 






Conan is not free.  He is not even inexpensive.
 

http://twitter.com/ravenadal
http://theworldebon.blogspot.com

 

 

  _  

From: Tracey de Morsella 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " ; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; 
Albert Fields ; bettil...@msn.com; CINQUE 
; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; 
fis...@bellsouth.net; GTW ; Jeffrey Ballou 
; Kai Pettaway ; 
kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; Kera ; Leroy 
Hughes ; Logic ; Martin Baxter 
; Marvalous ; Michael Gordon 
; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravenadal 
; rs...@yahoo.com; Seku Brathwaite 
; Valery Jean ; Wendell 
Theophilus Smith ; Whitney J Evans 
; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; Zanfordino 
Anthony 
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:10:14 PM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective.  

 

1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on 
ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  

2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the 
same show, an hour before his old show

3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same 
audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch 
the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people 
turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience 
away from Conan.

4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno 
had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience 
Conan would have pulled

5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing 
the same with Coco. 

 

I hope the Tonight show tanks. 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 





Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows.

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is.

***
http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1


Conan O'B

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Keith Johnson 
Yeah, and like I said recently, the funny/sad thing is they're helping bring on 
their own demise, like a negative feedback loop. They lament/fear the death of 
successful scripted television due to rising costs, shrinking audiences, and 
cable TV's rise, so they *drop* arguably their most important time slot for 
scripted television, thus causing shrinking audiences, helping cable TV's rise, 
and frankly, not saving so much money due to the payout to O'Brien. 
This will go down as one of the worst decisions in TV programming history. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:35:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 






They were already leaning in that direction with all of those SNL specials. I 
don't think that they have anything in the can to fill the void. Unless they 
pull out some mini-series or something. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a 
talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or 
comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, 
Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, 
dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of 
scripted programming for this? Bad move... 



- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 







Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had 
swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot". 

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows. 

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is. 

*** 
http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 

by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!




What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you 
hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC 
saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides 
have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and 
includes a whole lotta stipulations. 

First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The 
entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with 
Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel 
too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his 
employees' severance packages out of his pock

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Keith Johnson 
Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more 
talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel 
and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. 
He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan. 
I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about 
an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, 
singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't 
succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it 
could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so 
far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol" or "Dancing with the 
Stars"??? 
Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"? 


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I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective. 



1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on ABC 
against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. 

2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the same 
show, an hour before his old show 

3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same audience 
that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch the news 
that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people turn off 
Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience away from 
Conan. 

4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno had not 
chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience Conan would 
have pulled 

5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing the 
same with Coco. 



I hope the Tonight show tanks. 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 









Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot". 

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows. 

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programm

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread George Arterberry 
Conan lost pointes from me blowing a million and a half on a skit for a car.





From: Keith Johnson 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:55:31 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

  
I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a 
talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or 
comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, 
Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, 
dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of 
scripted programming for this? Bad move...


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

  
Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had 
swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:


>
>
>Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
>Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
>all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
>trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
>behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
>doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
>was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up 
>and screwed O'Brien to boot".
>
>End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
>replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
>differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
>felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
>when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
>don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
>had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
>subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
>both shows.
>
>NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
>to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
>I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
>"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
>Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 
>
>Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
>primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
>programming on broadcast TV as it is.
>
> * * * 
>http://www.tv. com/conan- obrien-free- at-last!/ story/20919. html?tag= 
>hotspot;gumball; 1
>
>Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
>by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM  
>What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if 
>you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. 
>NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter, as both 
>sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and 
>includes a whole lotta stipulations. 
>First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The 
>entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, 
>with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't 
>feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing 
>his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. 
>O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien 
>will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the 
>start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight 
>Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will 
>rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. 
>The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all 
>the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the 
>very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* 
>remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their 
>maus

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Adrianne Brennan 
I want thirty mil plus to get fired! Oh please? Wouldn't go TOO far in the
state of MA but it'd be more than enough to pay off mortgage, student loans,
credit card bills, and have me just paying for utilities from here on end.
That'd be sweet.

I envy celebrities and their piles of cash for being famous. But being
famous sucks, so I think it's their compensation for putting up with it.


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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Keith Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but
> Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from
> NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial
> channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need
> to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child
> who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made
> what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest
> "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".
>
> End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
> replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the
> expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get
> who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after
> only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his
> stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance
> to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential
> O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly
> chasing off viewers for both shows.
>
> NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently
> tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show
> format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd
> have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking
> the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson.
>
> Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of
> primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original
> programming on broadcast TV as it is.
>
> ***
>
> http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
> Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
> by Tim Surette  TV.com
> Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM
>  [image: Conan O'Brien: Free At 
> Last!]
>
>  What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million
> if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan 
> O'Brienvs. NBC saga 
> is finally coming to an end, says
> *The Hollywood 
> Reporter*,
> as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract
> with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations.
>
> First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about.
> The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50
> million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million.
> But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be
> supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket.
>
> O'Brien's last night behind the desk of *The Tonight Show with Conan
> O'Brien
> * will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until
> the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay 
> Lenowill return to
> *The Tonight Show with Jay 
> Leno
> * on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the
> long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes.
>
> The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all
> the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot,
> the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will
> *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their
> mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should
> belong to Robert 
> Smigel,
> who does all of

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-22 Thread Wright Kelwyn 
Conan is not free.  He is not even inexpensive.
 http://twitter.com/ravenadal
http://theworldebon.blogspot.com





From: Tracey de Morsella 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " ; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; 
Albert Fields ; bettil...@msn.com; CINQUE  
; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; 
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Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:10:14 PM
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 
I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an
interesting perspective.  
 
1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to
compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  
2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present
the same show, an hour before his old show
3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the
same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people
watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If
people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the
audience away from Conan.
4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if
Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what
audience Conan would have pulled
5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is
doing the same with Coco. 
 
I hope the Tonight show tanks. 
 
From:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
 



Wow,
thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's
going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over
the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to
explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the
scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing
something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed
it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months,
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for
both shows.

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format.
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to
taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original
programming on broadcast TV as it is.

***
http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
Conan
O'Brien: Free At Last!
by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 
What's the going
rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a
late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is 
finally coming to an end, says The
Hollywood Reporter, as both sides have agreed to a deal that
frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta 
stipulations. 
First, let's talk
money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is
reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32
million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny
the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance
packages out of his pocket. 
O'Brien's last
night behind the desk of The
Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien wi

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-21 Thread Mr. Worf 
They were already leaning in that direction with all of those SNL specials.
I don't think that they have anything in the can to fill the void. Unless
they pull out some mini-series or something.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite
> for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a
> drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like
> Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety
> show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But
> sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move...
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
>
>
>
> Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they
> had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill,
>> but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker
>> from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial
>> channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need
>> to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child
>> who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made
>> what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest
>> "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".
>>
>> End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
>> replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the
>> expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get
>> who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after
>> only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his
>> stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance
>> to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential
>> O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly
>> chasing off viewers for both shows.
>>
>> NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently
>> tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show
>> format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd
>> have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking
>> the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson.
>>
>> Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of
>> primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original
>> programming on broadcast TV as it is.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1<http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last%21/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1>
>> Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
>> by Tim Surette <http://www.tv.com/news/author.html?author_id=30> TV.com
>> Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM
>>  [image: Conan O'Brien: Free At 
>> Last!]<http://www.tv.com/the-league/show/77568/summary.html>
>>
>>  What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million
>> if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan
>> O'Brien <http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien/person/3465/summary.html> vs. NBC
>> saga is finally coming to an end, says *The Hollywood 
>> Reporter*<http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i58f0e7e6076e5043be5bdbd2e2483b15>,
>> as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract
>> with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations.
>>
>> First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about.
>> The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50
>> million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million.
>> But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be
>> supplementing his employees' severance packages out of

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-21 Thread Tracey de Morsella 
No worries.  My interest in this has more to do with loosing scripted 
television.  Had this scheme worked, every network would have followed suit.  

 

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

The Green Economy Post

http://greeneconomypost.com

tra...@greeneconomypost.com

Phone: 425-502-7716

 

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just make sure you don't lose any sleep over this or even care too much. 
O'brein got about 33 million out the deal as some form of severance {sp}

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Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 

I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective.  

 

1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on 
ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  

2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the 
same show, an hour before his old show

3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same 
audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch 
the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people 
turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience 
away from Conan.

4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno 
had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience 
Conan would have pulled

5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing 
the same with Coco. 

 

I hope the Tonight show tanks. 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 





Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement

RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-21 Thread Tracey de Morsella 
I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting 
perspective.  

 

1.When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on 
ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do.  

2.   When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the 
same show, an hour before his old show

3.   Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same 
audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show.  Most people watch 
the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching.  If people 
turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience 
away from Conan.

4.   The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno 
had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience 
Conan would have pulled

5.   Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing 
the same with Coco. 

 

I hope the Tonight show tanks. 

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

 






Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot".

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows.

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is.

***
http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1


Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!


by Tim Surette   TV.com Staff 
Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 

  Conan O'Brien: Free At 
Last!

What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you 
hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien 
  vs. NBC saga is 
finally coming to an end, says  

 The Hollywood Reporter, as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien 
from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. 

First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The 
entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with 
Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel 
too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his 
employees' severance packages out of his pocket. 

O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The 
  
Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with 
Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay 
  Leno will return to The 
  
Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace 
will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC 
believes. 

The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the 
characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very

Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-21 Thread Keith Johnson 
I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a 
talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or 
comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, 
Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, 
dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of 
scripted programming for this? Bad move... 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 






Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had 
swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but 
Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC 
all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, 
trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay 
behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught 
doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought 
was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and 
screwed O'Brien to boot". 

End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact 
replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected 
differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell 
felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, 
when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really 
don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno 
had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and 
subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for 
both shows. 

NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried 
to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. 
I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said 
"no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight 
Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. 

Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of 
primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original 
programming on broadcast TV as it is. 

*** 
http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! 

by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM 
Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!




What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you 
hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC 
saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides 
have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and 
includes a whole lotta stipulations. 

First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The 
entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with 
Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel 
too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his 
employees' severance packages out of his pocket. 

O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien 
will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the 
start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight 
Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will 
rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. 

The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the 
characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very 
relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* 
remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum 
of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong to 
Robert Smigel , who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and 
masterful puppeteering. 

The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for for 
a total of seven months. 

The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What should Conan do next? And 
how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno? 






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Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!

2010-01-21 Thread Mr. Worf 
Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they
had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but
> Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from
> NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial
> channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need
> to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child
> who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made
> what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest
> "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot".
>
> End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact
> replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the
> expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get
> who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after
> only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his
> stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance
> to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential
> O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly
> chasing off viewers for both shows.
>
> NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently
> tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show
> format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd
> have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking
> the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson.
>
> Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of
> primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original
> programming on broadcast TV as it is.
>
> ***
>
> http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
> Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
> by Tim Surette  TV.com
> Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM
>  [image: Conan O'Brien: Free At 
> Last!]
>
>  What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million
> if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan 
> O'Brienvs. NBC saga 
> is finally coming to an end, says
> *The Hollywood 
> Reporter*,
> as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract
> with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations.
>
> First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about.
> The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50
> million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million.
> But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be
> supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket.
>
> O'Brien's last night behind the desk of *The Tonight Show with Conan
> O'Brien
> * will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until
> the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay 
> Lenowill return to
> *The Tonight Show with Jay 
> Leno
> * on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the
> long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes.
>
> The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all
> the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot,
> the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will
> *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their
> mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should
> belong to Robert 
> Smigel,
> who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful
> puppeteering.
>
> The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for
> for a total of seven months.
>
> The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What *should* Conan do
> next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno?
>
>
>
> 




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