Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Nononono...(shuddering) Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No...You really don't want to see Keith with that hatchet again, do you?? Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pal, maybe I should've gone with the extra onions? Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup...this discussion is much older than you realize...We've been badgering Keith to do his thing for a while now with me and Martin breathing down his neck! LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
No...You really don't want to see Keith with that hatchet again, do you?? Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pal, maybe I should've gone with the extra onions? Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup...this discussion is much older than you realize...We've been badgering Keith to do his thing for a while now with me and Martin breathing down his neck! LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing > > i
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Pal, maybe I should've gone with the extra onions? Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup...this discussion is much older than you realize...We've been badgering Keith to do his thing for a while now with me and Martin breathing down his neck! LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do t
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
okay, y'all are really guilting me into this. I will take everyone up on this, promise. I have a couple of things to take care of, hopefully in the next week or two, then i'll be free to concentrate on this. Thanks, James -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keith: When you are ready and do start to blog, I'll be happy to reprint some of your entries in my own blog with links back to your blog. My feed is syndicated into LexisNexis and EBSCO and the extra exposure can help you build your readership a little quicker than with conventional weapons. __ James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith http://www.linkedin.com/in/jlandrith http://www.jameslandrith.com http://www.multiracial.com http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ __ Keith Johnson said: > thanks. I mean that. > > -- Original message -- > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PressureAlert. so when you going to call me so I can set up a fast blog > for you. a simple one with a few add ons can be done in less than two > hours. > > Pressure over. I know you got a lot going on. Take care of the > important stuff first. I will be here when you are ready > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
James: That is wonderful! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Keith: > > When you are ready and do start to blog, I'll be happy to reprint some of > your entries in my own blog with links back to your blog. My feed is > syndicated into LexisNexis and EBSCO and the extra exposure can help you > build your readership a little quicker than with conventional weapons. > > __ > James Landrith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 > AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 > MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jlandrith > http://www.jameslandrith.com > http://www.multiracial.com > http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ > __ > > Keith Johnson said: > > >> thanks. I mean that. >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> PressureAlert. so when you going to call me so I can set up a fast blog >> for you. a simple one with a few add ons can be done in less than two >> hours. >> >> Pressure over. I know you got a lot going on. Take care of the >> important stuff first. I will be here when you are ready >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Keith: When you are ready and do start to blog, I'll be happy to reprint some of your entries in my own blog with links back to your blog. My feed is syndicated into LexisNexis and EBSCO and the extra exposure can help you build your readership a little quicker than with conventional weapons. __ James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith http://www.linkedin.com/in/jlandrith http://www.jameslandrith.com http://www.multiracial.com http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ __ Keith Johnson said: > thanks. I mean that. > > -- Original message -- > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PressureAlert. so when you going to call me so I can set up a fast blog > for you. a simple one with a few add ons can be done in less than two > hours. > > Pressure over. I know you got a lot going on. Take care of the > important stuff first. I will be here when you are ready >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
thanks. I mean that. -- Original message -- From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PressureAlert. so when you going to call me so I can set up a fast blog for you. a simple one with a few add ons can be done in less than two hours. Pressure over. I know you got a lot going on. Take care of the important stuff first. I will be here when you are ready [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your > compliment and comments, same for everyone else. > > -- Original message -- > From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hey Keith > > I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt > really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not > caused offense. > > thanks > > B > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> yes, dad! :) >> >> thanks, seriously, though >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? >> >> >> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights >> and >> the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered >> pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? >> >> Bravo!!! >> >> Bosco >> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: >>> weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve >>> >> think. >> >>> Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, >>> >> harmful >> >>> to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not >>> helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they >>> don't know it themselves. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think >>> of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal >>> >> and >> >>> influential minority) of the population wanted something that >>> wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: >>> >> when >> >>> whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want >>> women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed >>> with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans >>> >> wanted >> >>> their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A >>> century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that >>> taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, >>> or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If >>> only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of >>> what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted >>> >> blood--anyone's >> >>> blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog >>> that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and >>> >> his >> >>> gang poin >>> ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And >>> all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few >>> notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid >>> >> to >> >>> buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to >>> see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make >>> decisions based on more information and considered thought than I >>> have. >>> >>> If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has >>> the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger >>> >> picture >> >>> in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain >>> convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that >>> won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader >>> should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I >>> know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes >>> sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is >>> >> proof >> >>> of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous >>> >> foreign >> >>> policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and >>> that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right >>> for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've >>> decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and >>> courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is >>> >> and >> >>> then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to >>> get us to go in cert >>> ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best >>> for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that >>> >> leader >> >>> will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for >>> ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to >>> illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's >>> costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, >>> he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. >>> >> A >> >>> balancing
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
This is a good season for you to get going, Keith. There are a bunch of blogs and websites launching and your POV would be refreshing to read and see responses on. On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:05:38 -0500, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup...this discussion is much older than you realize...We've been > badgering Keith to do his thing for a while now with me and Martin > breathing down his neck! LOL > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, > no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for > everyone else. > > -- Original message -- > From: Bosco Bosco > Hey Keith > > I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt > really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not > caused offense. > > thanks > > B > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> yes, dad! :) >> >> thanks, seriously, though >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: Astromancer >> Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? >> >> >> Bosco Bosco wrote: >> Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights >> and >> the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered >> pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? >> >> Bravo!!! >> >> Bosco >> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: >> > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve >> think. >> > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, >> harmful >> > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not >> > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they >> > don't know it themselves. >> > >> > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think >> > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal >> and >> > influential minority) of the population wanted something that >> > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: >> when >> > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want >> > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed >> > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans >> wanted >> > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A >> > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that >> > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, >> > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If >> > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of >> > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted >> blood--anyone's >> > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog >> > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and >> his >> > gang poin >> > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And >> > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few >> > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid >> to >> > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to >> > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make >> > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I >> > have. >> > >> > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has >> > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger >> picture >> > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain >> > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that >> > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader >> > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I >> > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes >> > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is >> proof >> > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous >> foreign >> > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and >> > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right >> > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've >> > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and >> > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is >> and >> > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to >> > get us to go in cert >> > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best >> > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that >> leader >> > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for >> > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to >> > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's >> > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, >> > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. >> A >> > balancing act. >> > >> > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood >> > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultim
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Yup...this discussion is much older than you realize...We've been badgering Keith to do his thing for a while now with me and Martin breathing down his neck! LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing > > instead of the right thing? > > > > A > > -- Original message -- > > From: "maidmarian_thepoet" > > I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a > public > > official
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
PressureAlert. so when you going to call me so I can set up a fast blog for you. a simple one with a few add ons can be done in less than two hours. Pressure over. I know you got a lot going on. Take care of the important stuff first. I will be here when you are ready [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your > compliment and comments, same for everyone else. > > -- Original message -- > From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hey Keith > > I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt > really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not > caused offense. > > thanks > > B > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> yes, dad! :) >> >> thanks, seriously, though >> >> -- Original message -- >> From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? >> >> >> Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights >> and >> the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered >> pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? >> >> Bravo!!! >> >> Bosco >> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: >>> weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve >>> >> think. >> >>> Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, >>> >> harmful >> >>> to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not >>> helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they >>> don't know it themselves. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think >>> of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal >>> >> and >> >>> influential minority) of the population wanted something that >>> wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: >>> >> when >> >>> whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want >>> women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed >>> with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans >>> >> wanted >> >>> their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A >>> century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that >>> taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, >>> or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If >>> only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of >>> what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted >>> >> blood--anyone's >> >>> blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog >>> that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and >>> >> his >> >>> gang poin >>> ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And >>> all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few >>> notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid >>> >> to >> >>> buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to >>> see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make >>> decisions based on more information and considered thought than I >>> have. >>> >>> If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has >>> the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger >>> >> picture >> >>> in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain >>> convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that >>> won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader >>> should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I >>> know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes >>> sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is >>> >> proof >> >>> of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous >>> >> foreign >> >>> policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and >>> that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right >>> for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've >>> decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and >>> courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is >>> >> and >> >>> then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to >>> get us to go in cert >>> ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best >>> for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that >>> >> leader >> >>> will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for >>> ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to >>> illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's >>> costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, >>> he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. >>> >> A >> >>> ba
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing > > instead of the right thing? > > > > A > > -- Original message -- > > From: "maidmarian_thepoet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a > public > > official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that > my > > officials here really supported my beliefs inst
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
oops that was supposed to go directly to Keith. Please ignore B --- Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Keith > > I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt > really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not > caused offense. > > thanks > > B > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > yes, dad! :) > > > > thanks, seriously, though > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > > > > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > > and > > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could > see? > > > > Bravo!!! > > > > Bosco > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > > think. > > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > > harmful > > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, > not > > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when > they > > > don't know it themselves. > > > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always > think > > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > > and > > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > > when > > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't > want > > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively > agreed > > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > > wanted > > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military > equally, > > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say > "If > > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead > of > > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > > blood--anyone's > > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed > dog > > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > > his > > > gang poin > > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". > And > > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > > to > > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: > to > > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than > I > > > have. > > > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she > has > > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > > picture > > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, > that > > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > > proof > > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > > foreign > > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not > right > > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and > I've > > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > > and > > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying > to > > > get us to go in cert > > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is > best > > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > > leader > > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach > to > > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what > it's > > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same > time, > > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the > people. > > A > > > balancing act. > > > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the > mood > > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good > or > > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular > thing > > > instead of the right thing? > > > > > > A > > > -- Original message -- > > > From: "maidmarian_thepoet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I may be stepping into
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yes, dad! :) > > thanks, seriously, though > > -- Original message -- > From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? > > > Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights > and > the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered > pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? > > Bravo!!! > > Bosco > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: > > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve > think. > > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, > harmful > > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not > > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they > > don't know it themselves. > > > > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think > > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal > and > > influential minority) of the population wanted something that > > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: > when > > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want > > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed > > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans > wanted > > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A > > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that > > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, > > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If > > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of > > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted > blood--anyone's > > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog > > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and > his > > gang poin > > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And > > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few > > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid > to > > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to > > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make > > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I > > have. > > > > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has > > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger > picture > > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain > > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that > > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader > > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I > > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes > > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is > proof > > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous > foreign > > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and > > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right > > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've > > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and > > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is > and > > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to > > get us to go in cert > > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best > > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that > leader > > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for > > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to > > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's > > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, > > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. > A > > balancing act. > > > > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood > > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or > > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am > > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing > > instead of the right thing? > > > > A > > -- Original message -- > > From: "maidmarian_thepoet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a > public > > official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that > my > > officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to > > the > > religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting > > them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative > > of > > Mass. voters at that time? Now he i
