[sdre-l]: Lyric Writing
Does anyone have an idea of how great the contribution in lyric writing is from Dan Hoerner? I had been under the impression that Jeremy wrote most of the songs but my friend seems to think that Dan does the majority of the songwriting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Chris
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:05:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone have an idea of how great the contribution in lyric writing is > from Dan Hoerner? I had been under the impression that Jeremy wrote most of > the songs but my friend seems to think that Dan does the majority of the > songwriting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. I believe that Dan wrote most of the lyrics on Diary, but since then, it's been Jeremy writing them. -- Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | Some other candy matrimony Georgia Institute of Technology | That strips the night I breathe ... Phone: (404)206-4638 | Maybe next time. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Sunny Day
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i think that this is how it goes... they jam out, and jeremy mumbles/sings stuff over the music and then dan and jeremy sit down and make a story to what it sounds like jeremy might be saying. i think that the reason the lyrics are so jumbled on LP2 is cause the never really sat down and wrote them out. they just talked about them so jeremy had to wing it. love ryan Bruce Labbate wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:05:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea of how great the contribution in lyric writing is > > from Dan Hoerner? I had been under the impression that Jeremy wrote most of > > the songs but my friend seems to think that Dan does the majority of the > > songwriting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > I believe that Dan wrote most of the lyrics on Diary, but since then, > it's been Jeremy writing them. > > -- > Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | Some other candy matrimony > Georgia Institute of Technology | That strips the night I breathe ... > Phone: (404)206-4638 | Maybe next time. > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Sunny Day
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I don't know about this. The person who wrote the lyrics to diary definitely also wrote the lyrics to the pink album, whoever that is. But whoever wrote the rising tide lyrics was absolutely positively not the same person who wrote the majority of the lyrics on diary. sorry if it makes no sense. Bruce Labbate wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:05:20PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea of how great the contribution in lyric writing is > > from Dan Hoerner? I had been under the impression that Jeremy wrote most of > > the songs but my friend seems to think that Dan does the majority of the > > songwriting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > I believe that Dan wrote most of the lyrics on Diary, but since then, > it's been Jeremy writing them. > > -- > Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | Some other candy matrimony > Georgia Institute of Technology | That strips the night I breathe ... > Phone: (404)206-4638 | Maybe next time. > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Sunny Day
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> > > Does anyone have an idea of how great the contribution in lyric writing is > > > from Dan Hoerner? I had been under the impression that Jeremy wrote most of > > > the songs but my friend seems to think that Dan does the majority of the > > > songwriting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > I believe that Dan wrote most of the lyrics on Diary, but since then, > > it's been Jeremy writing them. > > I don't know about this. The person who wrote the lyrics to diary definitely > also wrote the lyrics to the pink album, whoever that is. But > whoever wrote the > rising tide lyrics was absolutely positively not the same person who wrote the > majority of the lyrics on diary. sorry if it makes no sense. > Okay, after doing some research, here's my understanding of how the lyric writing on each album breaks down. Look through the "Diary" liner notes and at the bottom of each song, you'll see either "hoerner/enigk" or "enigk/hoerner." >From the SDRE FAQ, this means "/", and I'm sure there was some collaboration between the two. On "LP2", from what I understaind, the band wasn't getting a long very well, especially between Hoerner and Enigk, Hoerner did not take much of an active role in writing that album. Also, it was about that time that Enigk was "finding god," so a good deal of the lyrics on that album are some Christian references. And later, of course, I think they were back to collaborating, although the albums themselves do not indicate which individual contributed what to each song. In "The Rising Tide", it gives the lyrics as "Hoerner/Enigk", and the music as a collaborative effort by the band. And yeah, the same person(s) that wrote the lyrics to "Diary" wrote them to "The Rising Tide." I think TRT is a good deal less cryptic than "Diary," which is both a good and a bad thing, but not necessarily something that discounts from either album. Since it lists Hoerner first inside TRT as a lyric writer, I suppose he probably wrote most of the lyrics. This, however, does not necessarily account for it being less mysterious, I don't think, since a lot of the poetry/lyrics I've read that I know are by Hoerner tend to be some of the hardest to discern. -josh.
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One quick thing -- let's not forget that much of the pink album was written around the time that diary was written. Songs like 8 and rodeo jones are some of SDRE's earliest. Though the j'nuh lyrics are defintely by Jeremy because he said that he wrote them about a stuffed monkey. xoxo, Mike
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Here's how i see it, Dan doesn't sing that much anymore because of the conflict with Jeremys christianity. Dan Horner has always been the one who speaks mostly for SDRE its not just this album. If any of you guys would read past interviews it was dan doing most of the talking...But for this album i believe it was pretty much split...Jeremy doesn't go right out there and say it, but there are some christian referances on some songs.I also have a question?? was the agreement that sdre would get back together only if Jeremy wasn't soo upfront about His faith in Jesus? If anyone can help me with that question that would be great.. with Loving kindness matthew
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>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Here's how i see it, Dan doesn't sing that much anymore >because of the >conflict with Jeremys christianity. Dan Horner has always been >the one who >speaks mostly for SDRE its not just this album. If any of you >guys would read >past interviews it was dan doing most of the >talking...But for this >album i believe it was pretty much split...Jeremy doesn't go >right out there >and say it, but there are some christian referances on some >songs.I also >have a question?? was the agreement that sdre would get back >together only if >Jeremy wasn't soo upfront about His faith in Jesus? If anyone >can help me >with that question that would be great.. > was there an "agreement" to the reunion? if so, i would assume it was something as simple as "i agree to get the band back together only if we kick lots of ass" or something like that. really, he was never very "upfront" about the jesus stuff in the fist place. there is some stuff on lp2, but that was after the band had effectively split up. and as far as dan being the offended party, i thought it was more of a nate and will thing; that is what i got from reading jeremy's letter that is still posted on subpop that he wrote after the break up. i could be wrong, i haven't read it in a long time. -jason. ___ **this message brought to you by: jason d. sheets email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.nwmissouri.edu/~s214560 (recently updated!) album of the day: weezer - "pinkerton" "That Sheets boy...no damn good."
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:31:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's how i see it, Dan doesn't sing that much anymore because of the > conflict with Jeremys christianity. Dan Horner has always been the one who > speaks mostly for SDRE its not just this album. If any of you guys would read > past interviews it was dan doing most of the talking...But for this > album i believe it was pretty much split...Jeremy doesn't go right out there > and say it, but there are some christian referances on some songs.I also > have a question?? was the agreement that sdre would get back together only if > Jeremy wasn't soo upfront about His faith in Jesus? If anyone can help me > with that question that would be great.. Well, first off, it's Hoerner. ;) Secondly, I don't think anybody's disputing the fact that Dan is the vocal member of the group. In interviews and at shows, he tends to speak more than anyone else. We seem to have come to an agreement that Dan did in fact write most of the lyrics on Diary and some on LP2, seeing as many of those songs were written at the same time as, or pre-Diary. However, there then seems to have been a break wherein Jeremy laid down the remaining lyrics for LP2 and the vast majority of HIFTBSO. (Obviously, not at the same time ...) On TRT, they seem to have reverted back to Dan writing most of the lyrics. As to Jeremy's faith, Will was very uncomfortable, as he hasn't had the greatest history with Christianity and religion. I don't believe there was any real compromise, per se, but rather Jeremy just made it clear to the others that he didn't feel he had to write lyrics about Jesus or religion in order to glorify his faith. In other words, to Jeremy, the lyrics may have their origin in Jesus or religion, and to him they may serve to glorify his beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have to mention Jesus by name or even be religious. -- Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | Some other candy matrimony Georgia Institute of Technology | That strips the night I breathe ... Phone: (404)206-4638 | Maybe next time. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Sunny Day
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's how i see it, Dan doesn't sing that much anymore because of the > conflict with Jeremys christianity. Where has everyone gotton the idea that dan has a problem with Jeremy's christianity?? It was Will who had the big problem with it and Nate who didn't at first but then did after a while. Dan didn't care about it then and he doesnt care about it now. Will has mellowed out over the years, he alluded that he went to some sort of weird catholic school when he was a kid and that turned him off to religion. Plus, he was pretty punk rock and punk rockers don't like rules. He said in an interview with Magnet, just after they got back together, something along the lines of "I don't care what Jeremy sings about anymore, it's all about the music" That is paraphrased but I have the magazine around here somewhere if someone needs an actual quote. As for Dan he said something like "I've always known Jeremy was a Christian, he just started showing it more which was fine" and he went on to say that while he doesn't affliate himself with any religion in general, but that he is very spiritual in an earthy kind of way. I mean, the man lived on a self sustaining farm for two years. Hippy. As for why Jeremy doesnt outwardly sing about Jesus anymore, here is my theory. He had his big "walk with God" right before LP2 so he changed the words to some of the songs (if you listen to old boots, most of the Lp2 songs werent so intensely religious) and that was that. By the time he made Return of the Frog Queen he had mellowed a bit. I think he became more secure in his faith. He didn't need to be so litteral about Jesus. He started using allegory's and singing songs about his christian views, without turning the songs into hymm's. I think that has become more refined as SDRE got back together and made each album. I don't think he is not as literal for the band, I think he is not as literal for himself. I mean, ROTFQ doesn't have nearly as many references as LP2 does, so that is in itself proof that the band isn't "forcing" Jeremy to not sing about God. As for me, I am not relgious at all but Jeremy is so intense that he could sing about being a lumberjack and I would be there salivating over every word. Actually I think LP2 has helped me open up my spiritual side more but alas, this is a SDRe list and not a jesus list:) -=pete dodd
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okay... here's the breakdown. if i understand correctly, "47" and "48" were the 47th and 48th songs written by sdre (in whatever form they were in at the time) before jeremy joined, and seven, 8, and #9 were the seventh, eighth, and ninth songs written after he joined. in circles -- i'm willing to say this was mostly jeremy, just because he uses this kind of imagery (wandering around doors, for example) in his solo stuff... grendel -- all jeremy. he made up the lyrics after dan was jamming on what became the song grendel, and he converted the lines to greek (most of the song is in greek) as far as the pink record, there never really were set lyrics... besides rodeo jones and 8 (both recorded previously) and friday (having already been written out for the 7", although re-recorded for the album), jeremy pretty much made the rest of the stuff up as he went... the band was pretty much already split up by vocal recording time. that's why dan doesn't sing on the pink record (except for on "8," which was recorded previously). also, and i forget to ask this when i chatted with the band a couple weeks ago, is that dan singing back-up on "red elephant"? just the very last line... "very well" or whatever it says... there's a seperate voice, and it doesn't sound like jeremy overdubbing. you make the call. j'nuh was totally jeremy, it's about a childhood experience of his. spade and parade, bucket of chicken -- who knows. hiftbso -- pretty equally split between jeremy and dan, or so i hear. 100 million: mostly dan i believe, i remember an interview where he was going off about the envirornmental issues covered in the album. guitar and video games, estya -- i think it's safe to say these are written by jeremy... especially considering he played them at a solo show shortly after the band's first reunited show. the rising tide: when i chatted with the band a few weeks ago, jeremy said dan wrote most of the lyrics on this one. however "tearing in my heart" and "the ocean" are all jeremy... in fact they were originally solo jeremy tunes (although he never played them) as far as why dan doesn't sing anymore... i read somewhere that they said his vocal style just doesn't fit with the new songs, although he does sing backup on roses in water (listen really carefully at the end during the "ahhh... ahhh" part) > i think that this is how it goes... they jam out, and jeremy mumbles/sings stuff >over the music and then > dan and jeremy sit down and make a story to what it sounds like jeremy might be >saying. i think that > the reason the lyrics are so jumbled on LP2 is cause the never really sat down and >wrote them out. > they just talked about them so jeremy had to wing it. good theory. basically that's how it worked from what i understand... for example with "astiocles"... jeremy was just making up sounds while jamming and it sounded like "astiocles" so jeremy and dan decided to make up a fake mythological character (yes, as opposed to those *real* mythological characters... eh, you know what i mean) to go along with it.
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:38:42PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't know about this. The person who wrote the lyrics to diary > definitely also wrote the lyrics to the pink album, whoever that is. > But whoever wrote the rising tide lyrics was absolutely positively not > the same person who wrote the majority of the lyrics on diary. sorry > if it makes no sense. It would appear from the FAQ that the majority of the lyrics on Diary were written by Dan, while those on LP2 were closer to half and half, but leaning more towards Jeremy. The lyrics on How It Feels are more clearly Jeremy's and I think they serve to really define the difference between Dan and Jeremy's styles. Look at the differences between most of the lyrics on Diary, and those on How It Feels. Dan tends to use longer phrases or sentences, often even with punctuation. Jeremy tends to use words as a tapestry, without regard so much for structure or semantic meaning. Hence, the large number of words on How It Feels that are quite simply just imaginary. Now, look at TRT. I'd say most of the lyrics are written by Dan. You can see a leaning towards his style, especially on songs like Snibe or Television. The lyrics closest to Jeremy's style seem to be for Rain Song and The Ocean. Of course, this is just my interpretation, and I could be just flat out wrong. -- Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | Some other candy matrimony Georgia Institute of Technology | That strips the night I breathe ... Phone: (404)206-4638 | Maybe next time. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Sunny Day
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OK here it is for all those who want to know about the Lyrics Jeremy and Dan wrote the lyrics to diaryJeremy wrote most of the lyrics.When Jeremy was "rebirthed" and became a christian Dan stop writing the lyrics...If you notice on the pink album Jeremy talks a lot about Jesus and the Glory of God...This is why on HIFTBSO it says Dan Horner as the guitar player that doesn't sing anymore..now this not set in stone but this is pretty close to what happened.. Matthew
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The FAQ says that both Enigk and Hoerner wrote the lyrics to Diary. At the bottom of each page in the insert, it says lyrics.enigk/hoerner or vice versa supposedly meaning who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the music respectively. >From this, it looks like Dan had a couple songs by him but the majority are Enigk's. On The style on LP2 is very similar to that of Diary so I would guess Enigk wrote most of those too (on LP2, there are also references to Christianity which obviously acknowledge Enigk as the writer). And it is my guess, since Dan has been in many interviews explaining the meanings to TRT, that he wrote the lyrics to this album. OR: it is too early in the morning and I am rambling and my eyes are to hazy to even read the screen. - Steve
