Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Pablo Flores]

With the moodle interface I just couldn't upload a picture from the XO...

Saludos,
Pablo Flores


On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Tarun Pondicherry <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Pablo,
>
>> I tried BrowseNew, and it works fine for pictures uploading! As you can
>> see, I could upload pictures from an XO for the edublog. Question: Isn't it
>> possible to resize the picture?
>>
> I think the problem I found is different than what you are reporting.  Can
> you see if the issue also arises for you from the Moodle post blog page?
>
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
>
> Clicking on the image should give you resize handles and let you resize it.
>
> Thanks,
> Tarun
>
>
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Pablo Flores]

Hi! I've got good and bad news.

I tried BrowseNew, and it works fine for pictures uploading! As you can see,
I could upload pictures from an XO for the edublog. Question: Isn't it
possible to resize the picture?

I also tried pasting pictures from the clipboard and from Write (Ctrl-C
Ctrl-V) but it didn't work.

Finally, I tried to upload a picture to make a new post from Blogger, but it
just doesn't work :-( It seems popups are not working properly in this
browser, so I can get to the picture upload page, select the image to
upload, upload it, but I can never close the file uploading window! You can
see the screenshot of the Uploading window in
http://uruguay-xo-test.blogspot.com/2008/07/no-button.html... From this
page, you can't go back to the post editing page :( I wonder if this version
of the browser won't introduce new troubles...

Saludos,
Pablo Flores


On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We are so close!! Awesome team! Now lets bring it home...
>
> We have a new version of browse. It only works on build 656 so do not
> install it on other images.
>
> Get it from: http://olpc.betarun.com/BrowseNew-1.xo
>
> Just point your XO browser at that and it will install.
>
> Can someone test the workflow of:
> 1 - create text and image in write
> 2 - open new browse
> 3 - go to EduBlog (you can use
> http://olpc.betarun.com/dev/ui/student_sp.php if the new URL/login is
> not clear)
> 4 - pick what you created from the journal/file picker and upload it to
> the blog.
>
> I'd like to hear that working on build 656 before I ask the alpha test
> teachers to try it. Please also give the new browser and the whole XO a
> sniff test to see if there are any "regressions" due to this new browse.
>
> Tarun,
>
> These instructions are good:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog_Instructions
>
> but I need to the URLs and logins (leave the password out). The shorter
> the URL the better so maybe we will need a "home page" but leave that
> for later. Add the links to the doc and I think we are ready for alpha
> test.
>
> If its not too hard, I think the new write with name changed and in .xo
> format may be useful. If you can make and post that too, I think we may need
> it.
>
> FYI I pasted the Moodle instructions and URLs below.
>
> E-mail me for a password if you want to try this out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
> Hi,
>
> I just did a test, and it looks like everything is working decently. I'd be
> happy to hear anyone's comments on the UI and if there are any major bugs
> that need to be fixed before the beta test.  Please don't send these links
> out to too many people, they are to the unstable version.  When everything
> is working, it will be transferred to the stable area linked to from the
> main site.  (Also why I did not send this out to any public list).
>
> For testing, I've only made three accounts: tarun (Admin), student,
> teacher.  All three have the root password as the password.  The pages that
> comprise EduBlog (only one blog set up right now) are:
>
> Local Blog (Need Student Login):
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/view.php?id=3
> New Post (Need Student Login):
>
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
> New Blog (Need Teacher Login):
>
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
> Manage Remote Blogs (Need Teacher Login):
>
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/manageremoteblogs.php
>
> Anyone using build 656 will need to install a patched version of Browse to
> get the image upload to work.  I had planned on attaching these, but my mail
> client is not cooperating with me at the moment.  I will send them out
> later.  You will need to remove the old versions first.  Image upload also
> still needs to be made IE compatible.  Other features all work in IE.
>
> It should take you to a login screen and after logging in, you should see
> the appropriate page.
>
> There are a few critical bugs I've already found, so please don't report
> these:
> 1) Required message shows up on tinyMCE with content and has to be
> submitted twice.
> 2) Clicking manage remote blogs when creating a blog results in loss of
> data entered.
> 3) Preview does not work on XO.  The IFrame ends up being blank.
> 4) Kids cannot post directly, teachers have to do publishing (more of an
> added feature than a bug)
>
> We also need to resolve how to do auth.  Two ideas come to mind: Name Only
> (No PW), Rename Password to Birthday or something the kids will be familiar
> with  (a tiny bit more secure).  In both cases, I'm trying to figure out how
> to make the info stored in a cookie so they will have to login infrequently.
>
> Support for uploading from Write will be challenging.  The version of
> libabiword in 656 does not properly support any popular format that I am
> aware of despite what abiword says (tried rtf and odt and xhtml)

Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

I can reproduce that error...wonder what happened...worked fine this morning
Thanks for testing.

Pablo Flores wrote:
> With the moodle interface I just couldn't upload a picture from the XO...
>
> Saludos,
> Pablo Flores
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Tarun Pondicherry 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Hi Pablo,
>
> I tried BrowseNew, and it works fine for pictures uploading!
> As you can see, I could upload pictures from an XO for the
> edublog. Question: Isn't it possible to resize the picture?
>
> I think the problem I found is different than what you are
> reporting.  Can you see if the issue also arises for you from the
> Moodle post blog page?
>
> 
> http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
>
> Clicking on the image should give you resize handles and let you
> resize it.
>
> Thanks,
> Tarun
>
>

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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

Hi Greg
> - just close write
> - choose Keep then one of RTF, TXT or HTML
RTF and HTML don't save images properly.  (RTF is not even real RTF its 
still abw).
> are you saying that neither of those types of journal entries can be 
> inserted in to the EduBlog GUI?
HTML would be easily done, but the version of libabiword in 656 does not 
support images in its HTML.  RTF is just broken.
> Sounds like Pablo got an image to upload. I wonder what he did that is 
> different...
Images can upload from the tinyMCE editor in EduBlog, I think that is 
what he used.
> I hope we don't have to build and distribute a new write at this 
> stage. I appreciate that you have the skills to do this but it sounds 
> hard to me.
Not planning on a new Write.  Planning to install the latest libabiword 
on the server and use its command line functionality to convert the 
files.  Its the only way out I can see right now since we are short on time.


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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Greg Smith]

Hi Tarun,

Thanks for the status and hard work.

I believe that you can put something on the journal from write in two ways:

- just close write
- choose Keep then one of RTF, TXT or HTML

are you saying that neither of those types of journal entries can be 
inserted in to the EduBlog GUI?

Sounds like Pablo got an image to upload. I wonder what he did that is 
different...

I hope we don't have to build and distribute a new write at this stage. 
I appreciate that you have the skills to do this but it sounds hard to me.

Let's work around it if we can!

Thanks,

Greg S


Tarun Pondicherry wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>> 4 - pick what you created from the journal/file picker and upload it to
>> the blog.
> This does not work yet.  All available info made it seem like copy and 
> paste would work and odt files and xhtml generation would work, but none 
> of it actually does =(.  It will be at least a couple days to get Write 
> upload working, but I'm working toward this full speed!
>> but I need to the URLs and logins (leave the password out). The shorter
>> the URL the better so maybe we will need a "home page" but leave that
>> for later. Add the links to the doc and I think we are ready for alpha 
>> test.
> I added the links to the wiki page.
>> If its not too hard, I think the new write with name changed and in 
>> .xo format may be useful. If you can make and post that too, I think 
>> we may need it.
> I plan to first try to get write files uploaded, then patch Write.  Let 
> me know if the other way around is better for you.
> 
> BTW, one thing I noticed is that the sessions are still timing out 
> because many people are accessing from the same username.  It would be 
> good if we can set up all the users first before the Beta test and 
> ensure that the sessions don't timeout before starting the Beta test.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tarun
> 
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

Hi Pablo,
> I tried BrowseNew, and it works fine for pictures uploading! As you 
> can see, I could upload pictures from an XO for the edublog. Question: 
> Isn't it possible to resize the picture?
I think the problem I found is different than what you are reporting.  
Can you see if the issue also arises for you from the Moodle post blog page?
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2

Clicking on the image should give you resize handles and let you resize it.

Thanks,
Tarun

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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

Hi Greg,
> 4 - pick what you created from the journal/file picker and upload it to
> the blog.
This does not work yet.  All available info made it seem like copy and 
paste would work and odt files and xhtml generation would work, but none 
of it actually does =(.  It will be at least a couple days to get Write 
upload working, but I'm working toward this full speed!
> but I need to the URLs and logins (leave the password out). The shorter
> the URL the better so maybe we will need a "home page" but leave that
> for later. Add the links to the doc and I think we are ready for alpha 
> test.
I added the links to the wiki page.
> If its not too hard, I think the new write with name changed and in 
> .xo format may be useful. If you can make and post that too, I think 
> we may need it.
I plan to first try to get write files uploaded, then patch Write.  Let 
me know if the other way around is better for you.

BTW, one thing I noticed is that the sessions are still timing out 
because many people are accessing from the same username.  It would be 
good if we can set up all the users first before the Beta test and 
ensure that the sessions don't timeout before starting the Beta test.

Thanks,
Tarun
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

Hi Tomeu,
> not sure to understand why you need to convert Write entries to html,
> but abiword has good formatting capabilities and is run in headless
> servers routinely.
>   
We need to convert it to html to upload the content to Blogger.com or OU 
Blog.  Thanks for the info that abiword is run on servers.  That gives 
me at least some confidence we can get this working.

Tarun
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tarun Pondicherry]

Hi Pablo,
> I tried BrowseNew, and it works fine for pictures uploading! As you 
> can see, I could upload pictures from an XO for the edublog. Question: 
> Isn't it possible to resize the picture?
That's good to hear.  I am able to reproduce the issue with needing to 
resize the picture and will try to fix it.  The image is too large for 
the XO to handle I think.  Thanks a lot for testing things out and 
providing feedback!
> I also tried pasting pictures from the clipboard and from Write 
> (Ctrl-C Ctrl-V) but it didn't work.
This is a separate issue, one which we are not looking to fix using the 
clipboard at the moment.  We are still dealing with adding support for 
uploading a Write file from Journal.  Hopefully, that is working soon.
> Finally, I tried to upload a picture to make a new post from Blogger, 
> but it just doesn't work :-( It seems popups are not working properly 
> in this
This is also a separate issue.  You however can post to Blogger using 
EduBlog.  (In fact, I approved the posts you sent to the teacher and 
they are now on Blogger as are your other posts =) ).

Thanks,
Tarun
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Greg Smith]

Hi All,

We are so close!! Awesome team! Now lets bring it home...

We have a new version of browse. It only works on build 656 so do not
install it on other images.

Get it from: http://olpc.betarun.com/BrowseNew-1.xo

Just point your XO browser at that and it will install.

Can someone test the workflow of:
1 - create text and image in write
2 - open new browse
3 - go to EduBlog (you can use
http://olpc.betarun.com/dev/ui/student_sp.php if the new URL/login is
not clear)
4 - pick what you created from the journal/file picker and upload it to
the blog.

I'd like to hear that working on build 656 before I ask the alpha test 
teachers to try it. Please also give the new browser and the whole XO a 
sniff test to see if there are any "regressions" due to this new browse.

Tarun,

These instructions are good: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog_Instructions

but I need to the URLs and logins (leave the password out). The shorter
the URL the better so maybe we will need a "home page" but leave that
for later. Add the links to the doc and I think we are ready for alpha test.

If its not too hard, I think the new write with name changed and in .xo 
format may be useful. If you can make and post that too, I think we may 
need it.

FYI I pasted the Moodle instructions and URLs below.

E-mail me for a password if you want to try this out.

Thanks,

Greg S

Hi,

I just did a test, and it looks like everything is working decently. 
I'd be happy to hear anyone's comments on the UI and if there are any 
major bugs that need to be fixed before the beta test.  Please don't 
send these links out to too many people, they are to the unstable 
version.  When everything is working, it will be transferred to the 
stable area linked to from the main site.  (Also why I did not send this 
out to any public list).

For testing, I've only made three accounts: tarun (Admin), student, 
teacher.  All three have the root password as the password.  The pages 
that comprise EduBlog (only one blog set up right now) are:

Local Blog (Need Student Login):
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/view.php?id=3
New Post (Need Student Login):
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/editpost.php?blog=2
New Blog (Need Teacher Login):
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/course/modedit.php?add=oublog&type=&course=2§ion=0&return=0
Manage Remote Blogs (Need Teacher Login):
http://edublog.venango.org/test/EduBlog/moodle/mod/oublog/manageremoteblogs.php

Anyone using build 656 will need to install a patched version of Browse 
to get the image upload to work.  I had planned on attaching these, but 
my mail client is not cooperating with me at the moment.  I will send 
them out later.  You will need to remove the old versions first.  Image 
upload also still needs to be made IE compatible.  Other features all 
work in IE.

It should take you to a login screen and after logging in, you should 
see the appropriate page.

There are a few critical bugs I've already found, so please don't report 
these:
1) Required message shows up on tinyMCE with content and has to be 
submitted twice.
2) Clicking manage remote blogs when creating a blog results in loss of 
data entered.
3) Preview does not work on XO.  The IFrame ends up being blank.
4) Kids cannot post directly, teachers have to do publishing (more of an 
added feature than a bug)

We also need to resolve how to do auth.  Two ideas come to mind: Name 
Only (No PW), Rename Password to Birthday or something the kids will be 
familiar with  (a tiny bit more secure).  In both cases, I'm trying to 
figure out how to make the info stored in a cookie so they will have to 
login infrequently.

Support for uploading from Write will be challenging.  The version of 
libabiword in 656 does not properly support any popular format that I am 
aware of despite what abiword says (tried rtf and odt and xhtml) (xhtml 
does not do images, odt and rtf just don't work).  This means I need to 
figure out how to parse abw files in php.  I can't find any php 
libraries for this (but still looking furiously), meaning it needs to be 
done from scratch =(.

Let me know if any of you want to work on the code or the theme 
directly, and Marcel or I can set you up with git access.

Thanks,
Tarun

Tarun Pondicherry wrote:
> Hi,
>> Walk me through the pages and a post from start to finish.
> 
> I explained the options available here: 
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog_Instructions  I'm still working on it 
> and adding some use cases, but thought I'd send this much out to help 
> people test things out.  Also looking for comments.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tarun
> 
> 

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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Tomeu Vizoso]

Hi,

not sure to understand why you need to convert Write entries to html,
but abiword has good formatting capabilities and is run in headless
servers routinely.

The abiword people is a friendly bunch and can give you a hand with this.

Good luck,

Tomeu

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FYI all - I'm moving this back on the server list. I bcc'd all the
> original thread people. I will try to keep all EduBlog design on the
> list now unless it involves passwords.
>
> Hi Tarun,
>
> Interesting challenge, thanks for the background. I thought we would use
> the journal to move things from Write to EduBlog (aka Browse). Is that
> completely nailed and working with the new tweaked write version?
>
> If so, we don't need to solve this copy and paste via clipboard problem
> you note below. I want to start Alpha ASAP and Beta on August 1. Let me
> know if this is a blocker.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
> Tarun Pondicherry wrote:
>> Hi Greg
>>> Not sure what is needed in Write upload... can you describe?
>> The issue is that the only format that contains the images that the
>> libabiword version on 656 can export to is the AbiWord format (mime:
>> application/x-abiword).  I'm trying hard to find a PHP library to
>> convert this to html, but have not been successful.  Write is supposed
>> to be able to export to xhtml, and rtf, but neither actually work.
>> Similar issue with libabiword, which should support xhtml, rtf and odt,
>> but none seem to work as far as I can tell.  Thus, we need to parse the
>> abiword file on the server.  The option I am thinking of now as a
>> temporary fix is to load the latest libabiword on the server and get it
>> to convert the files since coding the abw-->xhtml conversion in PHP is
>> highly non trivial.  Copy and paste is linked to this issue.  libabiword
>> doesn't put the data on the clipboard in the correct format.
>>
>> I guess a good question is when is the exact deadline for starting the
>> beta test?  If we need to be done by August 1st, then I will try hard to
>> atleast support basic formatting and images in some way (may be a bit
>> sloppy) and clean it up later.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tarun
>>
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Re: [Server-devel] EduBlog: Looking for comments/bugs

[Greg Smith]

FYI all - I'm moving this back on the server list. I bcc'd all the 
original thread people. I will try to keep all EduBlog design on the 
list now unless it involves passwords.

Hi Tarun,

Interesting challenge, thanks for the background. I thought we would use 
the journal to move things from Write to EduBlog (aka Browse). Is that 
completely nailed and working with the new tweaked write version?

If so, we don't need to solve this copy and paste via clipboard problem 
you note below. I want to start Alpha ASAP and Beta on August 1. Let me 
know if this is a blocker.

Thanks,

Greg S

Tarun Pondicherry wrote:
> Hi Greg
>> Not sure what is needed in Write upload... can you describe? 
> The issue is that the only format that contains the images that the 
> libabiword version on 656 can export to is the AbiWord format (mime: 
> application/x-abiword).  I'm trying hard to find a PHP library to 
> convert this to html, but have not been successful.  Write is supposed 
> to be able to export to xhtml, and rtf, but neither actually work.  
> Similar issue with libabiword, which should support xhtml, rtf and odt, 
> but none seem to work as far as I can tell.  Thus, we need to parse the 
> abiword file on the server.  The option I am thinking of now as a 
> temporary fix is to load the latest libabiword on the server and get it 
> to convert the files since coding the abw-->xhtml conversion in PHP is 
> highly non trivial.  Copy and paste is linked to this issue.  libabiword 
> doesn't put the data on the clipboard in the correct format.
> 
> I guess a good question is when is the exact deadline for starting the 
> beta test?  If we need to be done by August 1st, then I will try hard to 
> atleast support basic formatting and images in some way (may be a bit 
> sloppy) and clean it up later.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tarun
> 
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