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Don, I tried to send you the attachment, but your spam-blocker wouldn't let it through. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Hey Bernie, send it to me to...df - Original Message - From: Bernie Baymiller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again George, As I recall, the Apache PM-30i (now the MFS 30+) R1 was about 283 cpm raw. I found that 275 cpm was what I needed...picked up 10-15 yards in that much softening, and it still feels stiff to me. I'd guess the Powerflex FW-501 would play about 3 or 4 cpm softer than the R1 Apaches, but the profiles are obviously different so it's strictly a guess. Suggest you get a couple of shafts and try them out...at $6.95 for singles, you can't lose much. Since it's an R/S combo shaft, you have plenty of room to stiffen it. That Pro Perimeter head is a good bargain for an inexpensive set, too. I was hitting the set very well again today. Missed two greens with full iron shots today...one an easy 7-iron that I pulled 15 feet left of the pin into a Bermuda grass bunker...had to chunk it out and DB'd the hole 3-putting from 12 feet. :-( The other was another 7-iron I hit dead at, but 20 feet short of a front-side pin and chipped up for a gimmee. Our greens have just been aerated and I had trouble with the putter all day...3 three-putt greens and a 78 that could easily have been a 73 if the swingee had been a little smarter...had maybe 6 birdie putts under 15 feet and only made one on the second hole. The manufactured quality of these heads is certainly not as good as Wishon's, but comparable to GW CER series and some of GS stuff. The design is clean and the heads play as well as any. For an addicted clubmaker like me who likes to try new stuff several times a year, heads and shafts like these make it possible and affordable. I'll send you my set record table and pic of the head privately. If you have Microsoft Word, you can open it OK. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: George Huson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Bernie,I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it.George HusonBernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component
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Bernie Baymiller said: > > Are the GS shafts sheet-wrapped? I've noticed that the inexpensive > sheet-wrapped iron shafts which I have tried have larger spines, are not > as consistent, nor play as well as the inexpensive filament wound iron > shafts. > The Carbon Stick torque is a full point higher trhan the FW-501s, too. On > the other hand, I haven't yet found a filament wound wood shaft that I > like on a long driver (46" and up)...just doesn't seem to be much "kick" in > any of them at that length. I'm pretty sure the GS shafts are sheet-wrapped, the spines were definately all over the place as I recall. What's interesting is that in the online catalog they say that the L-flex Carbon Stick has a high bending point, the rest have a mid bending point. They definately felt a bit harsh for L-flex shafts when I tested them, but I wonder how much of that was also because of the GS Killer Bee Singer Plus aren't as forgiving as I expected. -Dave
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Hey Bernie, send it to me to...df - Original Message - From: Bernie Baymiller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again George, As I recall, the Apache PM-30i (now the MFS 30+) R1 was about 283 cpm raw. I found that 275 cpm was what I needed...picked up 10-15 yards in that much softening, and it still feels stiff to me. I'd guess the Powerflex FW-501 would play about 3 or 4 cpm softer than the R1 Apaches, but the profiles are obviously different so it's strictly a guess. Suggest you get a couple of shafts and try them out...at $6.95 for singles, you can't lose much. Since it's an R/S combo shaft, you have plenty of room to stiffen it. That Pro Perimeter head is a good bargain for an inexpensive set, too. I was hitting the set very well again today. Missed two greens with full iron shots today...one an easy 7-iron that I pulled 15 feet left of the pin into a Bermuda grass bunker...had to chunk it out and DB'd the hole 3-putting from 12 feet. :-( The other was another 7-iron I hit dead at, but 20 feet short of a front-side pin and chipped up for a gimmee. Our greens have just been aerated and I had trouble with the putter all day...3 three-putt greens and a 78 that could easily have been a 73 if the swingee had been a little smarter...had maybe 6 birdie putts under 15 feet and only made one on the second hole. The manufactured quality of these heads is certainly not as good as Wishon's, but comparable to GW CER series and some of GS stuff. The design is clean and the heads play as well as any. For an addicted clubmaker like me who likes to try new stuff several times a year, heads and shafts like these make it possible and affordable. I'll send you my set record table and pic of the head privately. If you have Microsoft Word, you can open it OK. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: George Huson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Bernie,I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it.George HusonBernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SK Fiber Tri-Tec i
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Dave, Are the GS shafts sheet-wrapped? I've noticed that the inexpensive sheet-wrapped iron shafts which I have tried have larger spines, are not as consistent, nor play as well as the inexpensive filament wound iron shafts. The Carbon Stick torque is a full point higher trhan the FW-501s, too. On the other hand, I haven't yet found a filament wound wood shaft that I like on a long driver (46" and up)...just doesn't seem to be much "kick" in any of them at that length. Bernie Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "David Rees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Again > Kevil, L H. said: > > Don't forget that Golfsmith has their Carbon Stick iron shafts on sale for > > $5.88 each. They have been recommended on this list in the past and seem > > OK to me. > > I wasn't that impressed by the L-flex Carbon Sticks I tried. Seemed to be > a bit stiff and harsh feeling compared to other inexpensive graphite I've > tried. > > Could be the combination of shaft/head I used, though... > > On a related note, haven't heard much about GS at all since Wishon left. > > -Dave > >
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George, As I recall, the Apache PM-30i (now the MFS 30+) R1 was about 283 cpm raw. I found that 275 cpm was what I needed...picked up 10-15 yards in that much softening, and it still feels stiff to me. I'd guess the Powerflex FW-501 would play about 3 or 4 cpm softer than the R1 Apaches, but the profiles are obviously different so it's strictly a guess. Suggest you get a couple of shafts and try them out...at $6.95 for singles, you can't lose much. Since it's an R/S combo shaft, you have plenty of room to stiffen it. That Pro Perimeter head is a good bargain for an inexpensive set, too. I was hitting the set very well again today. Missed two greens with full iron shots today...one an easy 7-iron that I pulled 15 feet left of the pin into a Bermuda grass bunker...had to chunk it out and DB'd the hole 3-putting from 12 feet. :-( The other was another 7-iron I hit dead at, but 20 feet short of a front-side pin and chipped up for a gimmee. Our greens have just been aerated and I had trouble with the putter all day...3 three-putt greens and a 78 that could easily have been a 73 if the swingee had been a little smarter...had maybe 6 birdie putts under 15 feet and only made one on the second hole. The manufactured quality of these heads is certainly not as good as Wishon's, but comparable to GW CER series and some of GS stuff. The design is clean and the heads play as well as any. For an addicted clubmaker like me who likes to try new stuff several times a year, heads and shafts like these make it possible and affordable. I'll send you my set record table and pic of the head privately. If you have Microsoft Word, you can open it OK. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: George Huson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Bernie,I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it.George HusonBernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
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Kevil, L H. said: > Don't forget that Golfsmith has their Carbon Stick iron shafts on sale for > $5.88 each. They have been recommended on this list in the past and seem > OK to me. I wasn't that impressed by the L-flex Carbon Sticks I tried. Seemed to be a bit stiff and harsh feeling compared to other inexpensive graphite I've tried. Could be the combination of shaft/head I used, though... On a related note, haven't heard much about GS at all since Wishon left. -Dave
Re: ShopTalk: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:39:48 -0400
This isn't how you do it. Go to John's website, Clubmaker-online.com and follow the instructions. TFlan - Original Message - From: lde To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:39:48 -0400 unsubscribe
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Don't forget that Golfsmith has their Carbon Stick iron shafts on sale for $5.88 each. They have been recommended on this list in the past and seem OK to me. L. Hunter Kevil -Original Message-From: George Huson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:27 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: AgainBernie,I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it.George HusonBernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
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George, If you're considering filament wound shafts, you might want to try the Mercury lines. Very reasonably priced and consistent shafts. Burgess At 04:26 PM 9/15/2003, George wrote: Bernie, I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it. George Huson Bernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year.
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Bernie, I need to build a low cost set of irons for travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do you think this shaft will play without soft stepping it. George Huson Bernie Baymiller wrote: Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. Bernie Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SKFiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
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Don, No, the Pro Perimeter is from Golf Direct (LowPro), a supplier less than a day from me...and I've seen it a couple of other places, but can't remember where. It's under the brand name Tech Power. If you're interested in that head, e-mail me and I'll send you some information. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Hi Bernie, Can't find that Pro Perimeter head. Is that from Hireko? Not on their web page. I loaned my catalog to a friend, can find him either...df - Original Message - From: Bernie Baymiller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
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I think graphite and steel are both excellent for irons and woods. I use both in both. Al At 10:14 AM 9/15/2003, you wrote: What's the general feeling about graphite versus steel shafts for irons? I know some people want steel, others graphite but what do you guys prefer? I never thought much of graphite shaft for irons but I am getting older and my thinking is starting to change. Plus graphite shafts for irons are getting better. df - Original Message - From: Jeff Stephens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:41 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: SK Fiber Tri-Tec Don, I have TriTecs in my backup set of irons and have sold several sets. SK Fiber are very consistent shafts quality wise. I found them to be a bit on the soft side but customers seem to like that. Jeff Whole-in-One Don Flatgard wrote: Anybody have any experience with SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts? Thinking about changing, I am using TT Dynalite A flex now.
Re: ShopTalk: What size town for a clubmaker
In a message dated 9/15/03 1:23:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Golfers show up at golf courses to play golf, not buy clubs. They will however, pick up an occasional club they may need if the price is right. I found that the clubs that sell out of the pro shop are the utility clubs and putters. And more putters. Yup! That has been the experience here. Every attempt by a clubmaker to locate a facility connected to a course, driving range, golf dome etc. has lasted less than 6 months. It might be O.K. if you don't have to pay rent and you don't need an income. Arnie
Re: ShopTalk: Shafts weights?
In a message dated 9/15/03 1:02:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to remember that someone was producing movable shaft weights for golf clubs ... I think this is what you were thinking about. Check out Swingmastergolf.com
ShopTalk: Shafts weights?
I seem to remember that someone was producing movable shaft weights for golf clubs ... Can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks in advance miko
Re: ShopTalk: Again
Hi Bernie, Can't find that Pro Perimeter head. Is that from Hireko? Not on their web page. I loaned my catalog to a friend, can find him either...df - Original Message - From: Bernie Baymiller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again Don, SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft option, if you want to experiment... I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier than many graphites the same weight...which is a feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would have been 74s or less. :-) Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a very straight ball flight (though most of these shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. BernieWriteto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don Flatgard To: shoptalk Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: ShopTalk: Again Can anybody recommend something better then SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
Re: ShopTalk: SK Fiber Tri-Tec
What's the general feeling about graphite versus steel shafts for irons? I know some people want steel, others graphite but what do you guys prefer? I never thought much of graphite shaft for irons but I am getting older and my thinking is starting to change. Plus graphite shafts for irons are getting better. df - Original Message - From: Jeff Stephens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:41 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: SK Fiber Tri-Tec Don,I have TriTecs in my backup set of irons and have sold several sets. SK Fiber are very consistent shafts quality wise. I found them to be a bit on the soft side but customers seem to like that. JeffWhole-in-OneDon Flatgard wrote: Anybody have any experience with SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts? Thinking about changing, I am using TT Dynalite A flex now.
Re: ShopTalk: Please go Here ( STILL a very O.T. rant)
Forgive me, Corey, I don't get access to people actually in the broadcast business very often. I though the FCC was supposed to have adopted a single standard for HDTV in this country? Is that eminent? Isn't cost always the issue? If it isn't technical implementation cost it's licensing costs. Thanks, Alan Brooks At 10:09 PM 9/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: The number one problem implementing HDTV is cost. That, plus there are seventeen actual standards available and no one can agree on any of them except perhaps CBS & ABC who are broadcasting 1280 X 1024-I. The list of issues gets long and political. CB At 04:25 PM 9/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: I would also suggest that the implementation of high-definition TV has been slowed due to broadcaster's concerns over the copying of digital broadcasts. CBS has even gone so far as to threaten to cancel all HDTV productions unless some technical solutions are incorporated into set-top boxes for cable and satellite reception. As an HDTV consumer in Canada, I get service from ExpressVu. The boxes are made for the Dish network in the US, and the latest HDTV satellite receiver has been held up for almost two years because it incorporates a hard-drive to record broadcasts, much like a VCR. The broadcasting industry has been turning every legal screw at their disposal to ensure that either the recorded product is at a lessor level of resolution or, as an alternative, cannot be downloaded to a PC. I know that this has delayed the introduction of the next generation HDTV receiver. BTW, NFL football has never looked better! ABC does an excellent job on Monday nights (and throw in 5.1 sound to boot!) and at least two or three of the games broadcast by CBS over the weekend are in HDTV. Regards, Ron Kevil, L H. wrote: As for better arguments and examples, how about the current problems with DVD-Audio and the music industry's attempts to coerce the hardware manufacturers into building outrageous copy-protection schemes into the hardware itself? Or what about the extra cost of blank CD-RW disks vs CR-R's? -Original Message- From: Leo Noordhuizen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Please go Here ( very O.T. rant) What is said below about DAT recorders in Europe is complete nonsense. I am from The Netherlands, and have been working a long time for Philips who was (I think) the inventor of the DAT recorder. The DAT recorder has never been a success. Also in Europe I think it is virtually impossible to buy a recorder nowadays. Also the tapes are probably not available any more. (And this situation already exists for quite some years) So while agree-ing that we should be very aware of what our governments do for whatever clear or unclear reason, we should use correct arguments and examples. Regards, Leo Noordhuizen - Original Message - From: "Another Happy Linux User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Please go Here ( very O.T. rant) One other "small" thing How many of you own a Digital Audio Recorder (DAT)? (most will say "not me") You know why? Because the "music industry" has convinced the courts, that we would all be criminals, if we owned one! No crime has been commited, - yet we are all being punished! *Why!* Because we "might" copy music? The "music industry" has "legally?", blocked the manufacturers from making these devices available. DAT has been a distribution media standard in Europe, for some time now, - most people there have at least one (DAT recorder/player), in their home, - and we (in U.S. and Canada), can't even buy them. (except only, if one owns and/or operates a commercial recording studio). What's wrong with this picture? Oops. I forgot, - we are criminals, - just looking for a crime to commit against the recordng industry.. Cheers, Jorgen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ShopTalk: SK Fiber Tri-Tec
Don, I have TriTecs in my backup set of irons and have sold several sets. SK Fiber are very consistent shafts quality wise. I found them to be a bit on the soft side but customers seem to like that. Jeff Whole-in-One Don Flatgard wrote: Anybody have any experience with SK Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts? Thinking about changing, I am using TT Dynalite A flex now.
