RE: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other
At our club about 30% left handed golfers. We live in South-western Ontario, about 1 hour north of K-W and 2 hours NW of Toronto, ON. My son Duane pointed out that all competitors (5 guys) in the 'A' flight for our local Club Championship are all left handed players. No RH'ers! Duane won the event (again) by shooting a 66 and tied the tournament course record. That day he only need 23 putts. I was his caddie. :>) Thanks Harry S www.Golf54.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andy RuighSent: February 1, 2004 1:10 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other Harry, "Only in Canada!" I always "blame" my lefty-ness on my Canadian mom. :-) Actually I wear my Canadian background very proudly. What is the percentage of lefty golfers there? Seems like I remember hearing over 20%. Is that correct? I definitely notice more and more young lefties here in central MN. Maybe lefty stuff is more available now, maybe parents are more open to letting their kids play the "right" way. Maybe it is because of all of the youth hockey around here. My ability as a lefty, slap-hitting baseball player definitely kills my lefty golf swing. Too many years of letting that left hand stay under the right on the swing. I think I see my target lines better lefty, either because of the left eye dominance or the many years playing lefty. I keep threatening that I can fix that natural fade and play lefty again, but I doubt it will happen. But I will admit that having my son play lefty sure gives me reason to think about it. But then again, it will probably help his game to not see me swing lefty! -Andy - Original Message - From: Harry F. Schiestel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other Andy, that's quite the leftie / rightie lineup in your family . thanks for sharing. A couple of year ago my 2 sons went to the golf course with 6 of their friends. They had two foursomes. Of the 8 players, only my youngest son Dwight golfed RH. Thanks Harry S www.Golf54.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andy RuighSent: January 31, 2004 10:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde I just have to jump in on this one. Here is my family's screwy lineup: Dad: throws right, golfs right, eats and writes lefty. Mom (Canadian): Everything righty, except golf and batted lefty. 1 sister: same as mom. 2 sisters: righty everything Me: Same as mom, until 8-9 years ago. (I'm also left eye dominant) Switched to golfing righty. I was always able to hit from both sides. (Don't even go there, guys!) My first "group" of clubs was both lefty and righty, so I'd go out in the field and knock it around with all of the clubs. My driving distance righty is 40-60 yard longer, and I'm two clubs longer in the irons hitting righty. My handicap lefty was between 15 and 18 over the years. Righty, it was immediately 18-20, now is 10.6. Could be single-digit if I could freakin' putt! My nephew: does everything righty, but has a beautiful lefty golf swing. When I bought him his first tee-ball set, he used to whack it from either side equally. I'm sure he'd golf better lefty. My son: Like me, righty, except golfs and bats lefty. A chip off the old block! When I was in high school, we started a lineup that batted 7 lefties at one point. Must have been something in the water.. -Andy
Re: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other
Harry, "Only in Canada!" I always "blame" my lefty-ness on my Canadian mom. :-) Actually I wear my Canadian background very proudly. What is the percentage of lefty golfers there? Seems like I remember hearing over 20%. Is that correct? I definitely notice more and more young lefties here in central MN. Maybe lefty stuff is more available now, maybe parents are more open to letting their kids play the "right" way. Maybe it is because of all of the youth hockey around here. My ability as a lefty, slap-hitting baseball player definitely kills my lefty golf swing. Too many years of letting that left hand stay under the right on the swing. I think I see my target lines better lefty, either because of the left eye dominance or the many years playing lefty. I keep threatening that I can fix that natural fade and play lefty again, but I doubt it will happen. But I will admit that having my son play lefty sure gives me reason to think about it. But then again, it will probably help his game to not see me swing lefty! -Andy - Original Message - From: Harry F. Schiestel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other Andy, that's quite the leftie / rightie lineup in your family . thanks for sharing. A couple of year ago my 2 sons went to the golf course with 6 of their friends. They had two foursomes. Of the 8 players, only my youngest son Dwight golfed RH. Thanks Harry S www.Golf54.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andy RuighSent: January 31, 2004 10:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde I just have to jump in on this one. Here is my family's screwy lineup: Dad: throws right, golfs right, eats and writes lefty. Mom (Canadian): Everything righty, except golf and batted lefty. 1 sister: same as mom. 2 sisters: righty everything Me: Same as mom, until 8-9 years ago. (I'm also left eye dominant) Switched to golfing righty. I was always able to hit from both sides. (Don't even go there, guys!) My first "group" of clubs was both lefty and righty, so I'd go out in the field and knock it around with all of the clubs. My driving distance righty is 40-60 yard longer, and I'm two clubs longer in the irons hitting righty. My handicap lefty was between 15 and 18 over the years. Righty, it was immediately 18-20, now is 10.6. Could be single-digit if I could freakin' putt! My nephew: does everything righty, but has a beautiful lefty golf swing. When I bought him his first tee-ball set, he used to whack it from either side equally. I'm sure he'd golf better lefty. My son: Like me, righty, except golfs and bats lefty. A chip off the old block! When I was in high school, we started a lineup that batted 7 lefties at one point. Must have been something in the water.. -Andy
RE: ShopTalk: RH vs LH Golf / Other
Andy, that's quite the leftie / rightie lineup in your family .. thanks for sharing. A couple of year ago my 2 sons went to the golf course with 6 of their friends. They had two foursomes. Of the 8 players, only my youngest son Dwight golfed RH. Thanks Harry S www.Golf54.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andy RuighSent: January 31, 2004 10:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde I just have to jump in on this one. Here is my family's screwy lineup: Dad: throws right, golfs right, eats and writes lefty. Mom (Canadian): Everything righty, except golf and batted lefty. 1 sister: same as mom. 2 sisters: righty everything Me: Same as mom, until 8-9 years ago. (I'm also left eye dominant) Switched to golfing righty. I was always able to hit from both sides. (Don't even go there, guys!) My first "group" of clubs was both lefty and righty, so I'd go out in the field and knock it around with all of the clubs. My driving distance righty is 40-60 yard longer, and I'm two clubs longer in the irons hitting righty. My handicap lefty was between 15 and 18 over the years. Righty, it was immediately 18-20, now is 10.6. Could be single-digit if I could freakin' putt! My nephew: does everything righty, but has a beautiful lefty golf swing. When I bought him his first tee-ball set, he used to whack it from either side equally. I'm sure he'd golf better lefty. My son: Like me, righty, except golfs and bats lefty. A chip off the old block! When I was in high school, we started a lineup that batted 7 lefties at one point. Must have been something in the water.. -Andy
Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde
I just have to jump in on this one. Here is my family's screwy lineup: Dad: throws right, golfs right, eats and writes lefty. Mom (Canadian): Everything righty, except golf and batted lefty. 1 sister: same as mom. 2 sisters: righty everything Me: Same as mom, until 8-9 years ago. (I'm also left eye dominant) Switched to golfing righty. I was always able to hit from both sides. (Don't even go there, guys!) My first "group" of clubs was both lefty and righty, so I'd go out in the field and knock it around with all of the clubs. My driving distance righty is 40-60 yard longer, and I'm two clubs longer in the irons hitting righty. My handicap lefty was between 15 and 18 over the years. Righty, it was immediately 18-20, now is 10.6. Could be single-digit if I could freakin' putt! My nephew: does everything righty, but has a beautiful lefty golf swing. When I bought him his first tee-ball set, he used to whack it from either side equally. I'm sure he'd golf better lefty. My son: Like me, righty, except golfs and bats lefty. A chip off the old block! When I was in high school, we started a lineup that batted 7 lefties at one point. Must have been something in the water.. -Andy - Original Message - From: bob boone To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Super Concorde Jen and Royce As a data point my Father was a lefty that when he was in grade school (about 1911 or so) was forced to switch to RH for penmanship, which was common then. He was a true switch hitter in baseball and used a shovel or axe either way. When he took up golf, he discovered that he could hit woods better lefty than RH but hit irons better RH than LHso he played with LH woods and RH irons Talk about strange looks from people he played with!!! I am RH and have a daughter that is LH and she could kick soccer balls equally well with either foot!! She married a PGA Club Pro and they could never figure out which way her clubs should beLH or RH as she could do either!! I still find LH scissors she left at home, which are impossible for RH person to use!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jen KuntzSent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde I am not a natural left at anything athletic but I've always wondered if I could play left handed. I played basketball in university and shot both ways (although my left hand jump shot was only good from about 7 feet) and I can throw a football with both hands. Soccer I can kick equally with both feet which I never thought was odd until I talked to some true soccer friends who said that is a hard skill to master for most people. I made a cheapie lefty 5 iron once but can't find it anymore. I should make a 7 or 8 iron if I find a bargain bin of closeout clubs some day and see if I could learn to hit left handed in golf too.JenRoyce Engler wrote: I'm a lefty at most everything except golf...when I was growing up, my dad had a set of RH clubs, and told me that finding LH clubs was more than we could afford, so I learned to play LH. Always wondered if I coulda been a contenda if I'd played LH Here's a factoid for ya...When I was first introduced to Mike Duggan (now with Tom Wishon, formerly with Golfsmith) I was told that he learned to play RH, then taught himself to play LH to see what it was like. Royce
RE: ShopTalk: Super Concorde
Always thought ol Mike was a little goofy. Al ;-) At 09:42 AM 1/31/2004, you wrote: I'm a lefty at most everything except golf...when I was growing up, my dad had a set of RH clubs, and told me that finding LH clubs was more than we could afford, so I learned to play LH. Always wondered if I coulda been a contenda if I'd played LH Here's a factoid for ya...When I was first introduced to Mike Duggan (now with Tom Wishon, formerly with Golfsmith) I was told that he learned to play RH, then taught himself to play LH to see what it was like. Royce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jen Kuntz Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde Damn! ; ) I'm a lefty but a righty in golf and most sports... another anomaly : ) tflan wrote: Ha! Funny thing about this is; the gal is a lefty in all things other than the golf swing. I don't understand it but then, lefty's are sort of weird anyway. TFlan BTW; Please, no comments. JanFlan (She Who Must Be Obeyed) is a lefty. On the other hand (ahhh geez, a pun) she's been married to me for lo these 43 years (sorry Jen - too late for us.) TFlan - Original Message - From: Jeremy Ingle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde TFlan may be a supersalesman but converting his customer from a righty to a lefty is a pretty tall order even for him. Jeremy. on second thoughts as its only one club in the set and only used for say 10 shots out of ninety per round, the task would theoretically be easier as it would not be a 'full' conversion just a "partial" .!! Hi TFlan,I have one Super Concorde 9w, but it is a Lefty. Colin Colin Dick- GCA Accredited Professional Clubmaker SpineMaster Mk.II And Spining Information on http://members.shaw.ca/cgdick/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of tflan Sent: January 29, 2004 9:31 PM To: ShopTalk Subject: ShopTalk: Adams K.O's Hi; I made up a couple hundred "Super Concorde" headed clubs about 6 years ago, or thereabouts. I think they aren't made anymore. I have a customer who's looking for a SC 9 wood head to match her 3, 5,and 7. Anyone know of a source for a single head, or at least one about the same as the SC?Thanks TFlan
Re: ShopTalk: FSMatching Program
Brad Thank you understood I will try Im sure it will be good if I follw your instructions dutifully. Regards Jeremy. Brad Smith wrote: > Jeremy, > Sorry, for this late reply, but I haven't been online in a few days. > Here's how I'd proceed: > > Start by adding the hosel weights as I mentioned in my earlier message. > Now all your heads are 7 gm apart as they should be for swingweight > uniformity. I'm assuming that your heads call for tip trimming (but > you haven't said). My general method is to shim the head onto the > shaft, mark the correct length on the butt end, then measure frequency > with the club at that marked length in the freq meter. > > So, to start, I shim the 3 iron on (with the hosel weight in the head) > and measure the frequency at the correct length. Note I didn't tip > trim first. I want to see how it freq's without any trimming first. > (this way, if the shafts are a little stiffer than I'd like, I may not > have any tip trim on the first club. But, assuming it freq's too low, > I trim some off the tip(say 0.5in), re-shim the head, re-mark to the > correct length and re-measure the freq. I keep this up until I reach > the freq I want. If I have to trim too much to get to the target freq, > I'll probably decide to use this shaft for one of the shorter clubs and > hope that all of them aren't this weak. If they are, I may just have > to live with a frequency level in this set that is a little lower than > I would have liked. > > Then I proceed to the 4 iron, probably tip trim the same as the 3 iron, > measure it as described above and then tip it more(as necessary), > measure again, etc till I get to my desired freq for the 4 iron. I > proceed through the set this way. > > If the shafts call for butt trim only, I'd probably still do it the > same way, because in my experience, many of these shafts still need > some tip trimming to stiffen much as you proceed through the set. > > Hope this was clear enough. > Brad > > On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 06:49 AM, Jeremy Ingle wrote: > > > Brad, Thank very much I do have a frequency meter how do I use it to > > get the right trim? presumably I will need to use both tip and but > > trim. > > Regards Jeremy > > Brad Smith wrote: > > > >> Jeremy, > >> You need to do 2 different things here. You need to add weight to > >> most of the heads to get them to a 7 gram differential. But you also > >> need to raise the weight as much as possible, because, as David > >> pointed out, you have light shafts and short clubs and therefore, > >> you'll have very low swingweights. Because you're using graphite, you > >> can't add lead powder to the shafts to get to your target > >> swingweights. > >> > >> Now this part is a slightly different recommendation than David gave > >> you. You should add the HEAVIEST TIP WEIGHT TO YOUR FURTHEST BELOW > >> SPEC HEAD, the 9 iron. Normally tip weights fit into the tip of the > >> graphite shaft and come in 2, 3, 4 and 5 gm weights. But you have > >> Golfsmith heads so you have another option. They have a special > >> weight port in the hosel to accept hosel weights which they sell > >> (look at pg 40 of their 2003 catalog). These come in 2.5, 4, 5, 6, 7 > >> and 9 gm increments. > >> > >> Given how light the shafts are and the shorter length for a woman's > >> set, I'd add the max possible weights. I don't think your swingweight > >> will go higher than D-0. (maybe someone with a swingweight estimating > >> program can verify this). So, in your case, the new weight of 278.5 + > >> 9gm = 287.5 gm for your 9 iron will be your head weight design > >> "standard". Now add lighter weights to the other heads to get them > >> all to be in 7 gm increments between heads. You can trim or grind > >> them them to get to 1/2 gm increments. For example, for your eight > >> iron, target weight is the new 9 iron "standard" of 287.5 - 7gm > >> increment = 280.5. It weighs 273.0. Therefore, add 7.5 gm to it. Same > >> for process for each head. > >> > >> As far as trimming the shafts, without a frequency meter, the best > >> you can do is follow their trimming instructions. I'd put the lowest > >> freq shaft in the longest iron and progress through the set to put > >> the stiffest in the short irons > >> > >> Finally, while you can obviously effect the swingweights by changing > >> club lengths, this is generally a bad idea. Length fit is more > >> important in most cases than the "right" swingweight. > >> > >> Good luck. > >> Brad > >> > >> On Saturday, January 24, 2004, at 01:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Now to review the quality of the heads relative to weight: > >>> 3---237.5 Wt. Spec = 239 gHead Wt. = -1.5 grams > >>> 4---244.0 Wt. Spec = 246 gHead Wt. = -2.0 grams > >>> 5---254.0 Wt. Spec = 253 gHead Wt. = +1.0 grams > >>> 6---259.5 Wt. Spec = 260 gHead Wt. = -0.5 grams > >>> 7---268.5 Wt. Spec = 267 gHead Wt. = +1.5 grams > >>> 8---273.0 Wt. Spec = 274 gHead Wt.
RE: ShopTalk: Super Concorde
Jen and Royce As a data point my Father was a lefty that when he was in grade school (about 1911 or so) was forced to switch to RH for penmanship, which was common then. He was a true switch hitter in baseball and used a shovel or axe either way. When he took up golf, he discovered that he could hit woods better lefty than RH but hit irons better RH than LH—so he played with LH woods and RH irons Talk about strange looks from people he played with!!! I am RH and have a daughter that is LH and she could kick soccer balls equally well with either foot!! She married a PGA Club Pro and they could never figure out which way her clubs should be—LH or RH as she could do either!! I still find LH scissors she left at home, which are impossible for RH person to use!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jen Kuntz Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde I am not a natural left at anything athletic but I've always wondered if I could play left handed. I played basketball in university and shot both ways (although my left hand jump shot was only good from about 7 feet) and I can throw a football with both hands. Soccer I can kick equally with both feet which I never thought was odd until I talked to some true soccer friends who said that is a hard skill to master for most people. I made a cheapie lefty 5 iron once but can't find it anymore. I should make a 7 or 8 iron if I find a bargain bin of closeout clubs some day and see if I could learn to hit left handed in golf too. Jen Royce Engler wrote: I'm a lefty at most everything except golf...when I was growing up, my dad had a set of RH clubs, and told me that finding LH clubs was more than we could afford, so I learned to play LH. Always wondered if I coulda been a contenda if I'd played LH Here's a factoid for ya...When I was first introduced to Mike Duggan (now with Tom Wishon, formerly with Golfsmith) I was told that he learned to play RH, then taught himself to play LH to see what it was like. Royce
Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde
I am not a natural left at anything athletic but I've always wondered if I could play left handed. I played basketball in university and shot both ways (although my left hand jump shot was only good from about 7 feet) and I can throw a football with both hands. Soccer I can kick equally with both feet which I never thought was odd until I talked to some true soccer friends who said that is a hard skill to master for most people. I made a cheapie lefty 5 iron once but can't find it anymore. I should make a 7 or 8 iron if I find a bargain bin of closeout clubs some day and see if I could learn to hit left handed in golf too. Jen Royce Engler wrote: I'm a lefty at most everything except golf...when I was growing up, my dad had a set of RH clubs, and told me that finding LH clubs was more than we could afford, so I learned to play LH. Always wondered if I coulda been a contenda if I'd played LH Here's a factoid for ya...When I was first introduced to Mike Duggan (now with Tom Wishon, formerly with Golfsmith) I was told that he learned to play RH, then taught himself to play LH to see what it was like. Royce
RE: ShopTalk: Super Concorde
I'm a lefty at most everything except golf...when I was growing up, my dad had a set of RH clubs, and told me that finding LH clubs was more than we could afford, so I learned to play LH. Always wondered if I coulda been a contenda if I'd played LH Here's a factoid for ya...When I was first introduced to Mike Duggan (now with Tom Wishon, formerly with Golfsmith) I was told that he learned to play RH, then taught himself to play LH to see what it was like. Royce -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jen KuntzSent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super ConcordeDamn! ; )I'm a lefty but a righty in golf and most sports... another anomaly : )tflan wrote: Ha! Funny thing about this is; the gal is a lefty in all things other than the golf swing. I don't understand it but then, lefty's are sort of weird anyway. TFlan BTW; Please, no comments. JanFlan (She Who Must Be Obeyed) is a lefty. On the other hand (ahhh geez, a pun) she's been married to me for lo these 43 years (sorry Jen - too late for us.) TFlan - Original Message - From: Jeremy Ingle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Super Concorde TFlan may be a supersalesman but converting his customer from a righty to a lefty is a pretty tall order even for him. Jeremy. on second thoughts as its only one club in the set and only used for say 10 shots out of ninety per round, the task would theoretically be easier as it would not be a 'full' conversion just a "partial" .!! Hi TFlan,I have one Super Concorde 9w, but it is a Lefty. Colin Colin Dick- GCA Accredited Professional Clubmaker SpineMaster Mk.II And Spining Information on http://members.shaw.ca/cgdick/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of tflan Sent: January 29, 2004 9:31 PM To: ShopTalk Subject: ShopTalk: Adams K.O's Hi; I made up a couple hundred "Super Concorde" headed clubs about 6 years ago, or thereabouts. I think they aren't made anymore. I have a customer who's looking for a SC 9 wood head to match her 3, 5,and 7. Anyone know of a source for a single head, or at least one about the same as the SC?Thanks TFlan
