Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Biju Chacko wrote: > > I still can't figure out _what_ exactly they were after -- it's > obviously some part of Sun's software business, but which? The same reason they came up with Unbreakable, may be? The idea of just one SLA covering the whole stack including servers, OS, database, middleware, and business apps must be quite compelling to enterprises, and Oracle can offer them that now. Venkat.
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
I'm actually worried about OpenOffice - the one interesting bastion against MS Office. What do you think might happen here? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Biju Chacko > wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business > > > > Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? > > Oracle hasn't done bad in the past few years on Linux. Their > contributions to the kernel have been pretty active. I'm more > concerned on the vast patent portfolio Sun has. Hopefully they do not > see anything capitalistic out of it and open it up ;-). But how much > of the patent portfolio does matter in this kinda acquisition ? > > regards > -- > Ramakrishna Reddy GPG > Key ID:31FF0090 > Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090 > >
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Biju Chacko wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business > > Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? Oracle hasn't done bad in the past few years on Linux. Their contributions to the kernel have been pretty active. I'm more concerned on the vast patent portfolio Sun has. Hopefully they do not see anything capitalistic out of it and open it up ;-). But how much of the patent portfolio does matter in this kinda acquisition ? regards -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Venky TV wrote: > Personally, I am concerned about OpenSolaris. Solaris as an operating > system probably has a brighter future under Oracle than before, but > the OpenSolaris project does not seem to make too much sense for > Oracle. I don't see them being too interested in an Ubuntu-like > desktop-friendly OS being developed out in the open. Solaris might > just go back to being a closed-source big iron operating system, which > would be a terrible shame. Might make some amount of sense if they intend to challenge Microsoft in the OS business. > As for MySQL, I just don't know. It is kind of like the Vatican > picking up Playboy, Inc. It might make sense to keep it going from a > business perspective, but something *just* does not seem right. I still can't figure out _what_ exactly they were after -- it's obviously some part of Sun's software business, but which? -- b
Re: [silk] Need some help
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Venky TV wrote: > Organized discrimination (not including state-sponsored ones) is no > different from personal discrimination. Sure, it is even more unfair > and extremely ugly. On a slightly different tangent What I find very interesting is the differentiation in discrimination of different kinds in the media. For example, I see the reservation policies followed by the current congress government/short-lived VP Singh (though BJP / third front aren't any better - they are probably worse) as damaging to society as much as the Godhra/Kandamal/Anti-sikh/Anti-UP riots in Gujarat/Orissa/Delhi/Mumbai. The only difference seems that in one case the effect of discrimination are more longer term and less visible (gory sequences of beating up people / burning up shops makes more compelling viewing than students missing better opportunities for better education). Also one is mostly class-based / caste based rather than religion-based. -- Vinayak
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Valsa Williams wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Biju Chacko wrote: > >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business >> >> Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? >> >> -- b >> >> > What they do with MySQL and Open Solaris would be interesting to know . > Lets hope Oracle does not undo all the Open Source initiatives of Sun, that > would be disastrous ! Personally, I am concerned about OpenSolaris. Solaris as an operating system probably has a brighter future under Oracle than before, but the OpenSolaris project does not seem to make too much sense for Oracle. I don't see them being too interested in an Ubuntu-like desktop-friendly OS being developed out in the open. Solaris might just go back to being a closed-source big iron operating system, which would be a terrible shame. As for MySQL, I just don't know. It is kind of like the Vatican picking up Playboy, Inc. It might make sense to keep it going from a business perspective, but something *just* does not seem right. Venky (the Second). -- One hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong.
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business >> >> Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? What's amusing is to watch all the prognosticators making authoritative-sounding but contradictory and entirely speculative pronouncements as to what the future will hold. -Tim
Re: [silk] Need some help
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM, sur...@hserus.net wrote: > Your right stops right where it conflicts with another person's rights. True. > Organized policies of discrimination such as vegetarian only buildings are an > example. Don't buy that. You have no rights to another man's property. If the owner allows you to rent his property, it is quite definitely a privilege and not a right. And the fact that a redneck in Birmingham would be arrested for refusing to rent his flat to a black man does not automatically make it right either. Would he be arrested for running a no-pets-allowed property? No? Now, that is what I would term illegal discrimination. It is also not a violation of your rights if you are quoted an exorbitant price for the same property which another person gets quoted a much lesser price for unless it is also a violation for a landlord to lower his rent because he happens to like the tenant. You might as well make it illegal to like one person more than another. That is, after all, discrimination too. Organized discrimination (not including state-sponsored ones) is no different from personal discrimination. Sure, it is even more unfair and extremely ugly. But it is not a rights violation any more than personal discrimination is as long as it applies to private property. Venky (the Second). -- One hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong.
Re: [silk] Need some help
It is almost like gujarat is, for muslims, the equivalent of the deep south for negroes back in the 60s. Ask a goan catholic friend of mine, who tried to rent there and was told 'they dont rent to muslims'. Went through a different broker to the same landlord but giving him his 'old' hindu name mohan prabhu (lots of goan rcs were saraswat brahmins back in portuguese times) and he got just that house In other words, no, not unfair -- srs/nokia e71 -original message- Subject: Re: [silk] Need some help From: "." Date: 21-04-2009 08:59 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM, sur...@hserus.net wrote: > Owners right? If today, in birmingham AL, some redneck refused to rent a > flat because the prospective tenant is a 'nigger', he'd be arrested If the redneck is bent on discriminating on the basis of skin color he could circumvent a future arrest with a tactical reason to not rent. People may not openly discriminate because of fear of being sued but that does nothing to change their internal real selves, which is what needs to change even though that is slow change, harder to achieve and probably impossible and crazy to expect 6 billion "perfect" people. Whether discrimination is based on religion, skin colour, one's singular status, gender, nationality, or any other criteria, its still discrimination. Degrees and hurt levels do vary but there is nothing nice about being on the receiving end. Its equally unfair to label an entire Gujarati community as evil for the actions of a few when language is still the link between a Gujarati Hindu and a Gujarati Bohra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohra -- .
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Biju Chacko wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business > > Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? > > -- b > > What they do with MySQL and Open Solaris would be interesting to know . Lets hope Oracle does not undo all the Open Source initiatives of Sun, that would be disastrous ! - Valsa
Re: [silk] Need some help
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM, sur...@hserus.net wrote: > Owners right? If today, in birmingham AL, some redneck refused to rent a > flat because the prospective tenant is a 'nigger', he'd be arrested If the redneck is bent on discriminating on the basis of skin color he could circumvent a future arrest with a tactical reason to not rent. People may not openly discriminate because of fear of being sued but that does nothing to change their internal real selves, which is what needs to change even though that is slow change, harder to achieve and probably impossible and crazy to expect 6 billion "perfect" people. Whether discrimination is based on religion, skin colour, one's singular status, gender, nationality, or any other criteria, its still discrimination. Degrees and hurt levels do vary but there is nothing nice about being on the receiving end. Its equally unfair to label an entire Gujarati community as evil for the actions of a few when language is still the link between a Gujarati Hindu and a Gujarati Bohra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohra -- .
Re: [silk] Meetup in Bombay?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Nandkumar Saravade wrote: > I am going out of town between 25 April and 7 May. Would be happy to join > otherwise. > > Nandkumar > since two people prefer it after this weekend, could we settle on a day next week? -gabin --
Re: [silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
I absolutely *love* my Plantronics 925. I have owned dozens of Bluetooth headsets (slave to my cellphone that I am)...and this is the ONE. Light, comfortable, great sound. Only drawback is poor wind protection, but there are 925 owners who have put little bits of wind foam on the mic to good effect, I'm told. Recharges in its own little case between calls. That case is pretty magnetic, so in your pocket might cause problems if you keep credit cards or hotel key cards nearby. Danese On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > Greetings, list. > > I recently lost my Jawbone 2 bluetooth headset and am seeking a > replacement. What does the list think is a good headset to buy these days? > > I loved my Jawbone. It was small, very light and had reasonably good voice > quality (although by no means effective at noise cancellation). It also had > a fundamental problem I've seen in every BT headset: no key lock. > > I'd rather not have a headset on my ear when not in a call, and no headset > I've seen is designed to be kept anywhere except on one's ear. Leaving my > Jawbone in the pocket would cause all kinds of weird behaviour on the phone. > Over time I learnt to hang it on the edge of my trouser pockets, which is > how I lost it. > > So: what do list members use and recommend? Or should I just get another > Jawbone? > > Kiran > > > -- > Kiran Jonnalagadda > http://jace.seacrow.com/ > > > > >
Re: [silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > Greetings, list. > > I recently lost my Jawbone 2 bluetooth headset and am seeking a replacement. > What does the list think is a good headset to buy these days? Data point: I have a teeny tiny Samsung WEP200 and I'm very fond of it. Not fancy, but gets out of the way and, so far, Just Works. -T
Re: [silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Biju Chacko wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business > > Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? Oracle as the steward of Java is an idea that definitely sucks. Venky
[silk] Oracle Agrees to Acquire Sun
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/technology/companies/21sun.html?ref=business Well ... what to the Sun and ex-Sun folks on the list think of this? -- b
Re: [silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
Probably not. Kotler's never written anything remotely actionable in recent times. His claim to fame is a book he wrote in, if I'm not wrong, 1959. Based on research of industries he looked at for 1945-1955. Strange how 21st century marketers think he's some sort of demi-god. Is > this theory of "sex sells" going to make its way into Philip Kotler's > next edition? > > Cheeni > >
Re: [silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote: [...] > > http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-us/headsets/pages/jabrajx10seriesii.aspx I found this jawbone modeling quite funny - http://www.jabra.com/sites/Jabra/GNImages/Products/WirelessHeadset/JX10/110x110/jx10_banner_EM_EN_274.jpg So even bluetooth headsets need some hot tongue action to sell? Is this theory of "sex sells" going to make its way into Philip Kotler's next edition? Cheeni
Re: [silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > So: what do list members use and recommend? Or should I just get > another Jawbone? A Jabra JX10 is the best, IMHO. The first one I bought, still around, served me very well for over three years. Small and handy, it fits in your pocket. Never had a problem. I also own a Jawbone (v1) which I rarely, if ever, use. I bought a JX10 series 2[1] recently. Love it as much as the first one. Comes with a ear hook, fits snugly without the hook as well. http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-us/headsets/pages/jabrajx10seriesii.aspx
Re: [silk] Need some help
--- On Mon, 20/4/09, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > From: Kiran K Karthikeyan > Subject: Re: [silk] Need some help > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 2:00 PM > > > > I stayed for a year in Mumbai, and so did a lot of > batchmates from MBA and > > we never had a problem find a place to stay even > though I was a meat eater > > (even beef, though we never cooked), smoker, and > regularly had people over > > drinking alcohol late into the night though we had to > watch noise levels. > > > > I've heard a lot of things said about the Gujaratis > (mostly by Marathis), > > but I never experienced any discrimination due to my > beef eating and > > bacchanalian lifestyle. So yes, the anti-meat rule is > almost exclusively to > > keep out Muslims. > > > > I think it is a fact of life that if the sub-community > you are a part of is > > causing trouble, you will face social repression. And > as a member of that > > community, you cannot just shy away from the > responsibility of reforming > > your sub-community. Its either that or you change your > name and forgo that > > particular identity. This could be one of the reasons > my family largely > > excluded the Menon surname as not to be identified > with those responsible > > for quite a bit of caste based discrimination in > Kerala (though they will > > never admit to it). > > > > Even I would be wary of lending my house out to > Muslims (or any other > > communty which is identified as causing terrorism or > generally disturbing > > the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred > to me from somebody I > > know well. Face it, apart from the LTTE, IRA, all > other major terrorist > > groups I know are Islamic in origin to my knowledge > (fringe groups like > > Maoists, ULFA etc. being ignored). And I would also be > vary of those in > > khaki shorts and carry around a long wooden stick. > > > > Kiran > > > I have had it pointed out to be offlist that my post was > offensive, and > though it was not meant to be, I realize now that it is. > > However, I don't think its fair to bash the entire Gujarati > community. Of COURSE it isn't. It was never meant to be a fair, objective comment; instead, it was intended for light relief, and an obviously over-the-top statement on the lines of "I hate Saurav Ganguly". I would be very deeply pained indeed if anybody took it seriously. The effective desiccation of the civil discourse in Gujarat, and the increasing desperation to catch up with the international consuming classes that seems to be a trend are not sufficient reason to call ALL Gujaratis bigots, and I do not intend it to be taken as such a call. > And > yes, it isn't fair to bash the entire Muslim community > either.It is a tough > existence for progressive Muslims who are already alienated > by other > communities, to voice their opinions and be alienated by > their own community > as well. > > My post was only meant as an example of how the actions of > a fringe group of > a community will nevertheless influence the opinions of > others about that > community at large. > > Apologies. > > Kiran > Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Yahoo! Edition http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/firefox/
Re: [silk] Need some help
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan : > Even I would be wary of lending my house out to Muslims (or any other > communty which is identified as causing terrorism or generally disturbing > the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred to me from somebody I > know well. Face it, apart from the LTTE, IRA, all other major terrorist > groups I know are Islamic in origin to my knowledge (fringe groups like > Maoists, ULFA etc. being ignored). And I would also be vary of those in > khaki shorts and carry around a long wooden stick. > How often have I heard this fear psychosis "I am afraid to rent out to 'x' group because of 'y' ..." Where i live many Indian landlord find various ways to keep out non-indian tenants -- especially africans -- usually by quoting an exorbitant rent ...or using the vegetarian excuse. As a result certain housing estates end up being completely Indian -- which in turn feeds perceptions that Indians are racist and live in ghettos. This racial profiling sometimes results in lower rents in some of these areas as the tenants competing for houses are fewer. Some of these same people complain about racism when they look for houses in european countries. There is also a more strange tenant -> landlord racial profiling where many Indian tenants prefer Indian / European landlords (some real estate agents will ask you if you prefer a landlord of particular racial origins) and will not take houses with african landlords as they fear the neighbors might be all african.
Re: [silk] Need some help
> > How do you propose to end pragmatism? :) By removing the need for it in this context, i.e., by removing the fear. :) -- Sumant Srivathsan http://sumants.blogspot.com
Re: [silk] Need some help
> It's the dishonesty of the narrow-minded that rankles, rather than the > (possibly) pragmatic discrimination of the fearful. That said, I'd > definitely prefer the absence of either group. > How do you propose to end pragmatism? :) Kiran
Re: [silk] Need some help
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: [...] > > Even I would be wary of lending my house out to Muslims (or any other > communty which is identified as causing terrorism or generally disturbing > the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred to me from somebody I > know well. Back in the 80s when Tamil Nadu was home base to the LTTE, you would have been wise to never rent out your home to anyone who spoke Tamil with a funny accent. And yes, all of them had letters of recommendation from DMK politicians. I have nothing against anyone, this is just self protection. Cheeni
Re: [silk] Need some help
> > I have had it pointed out to be offlist that my post was offensive, > and though it was not meant to be, I realize now that it is. Undoubtedly so, but you know, I'd much rather have people admit to these sentiments than to pretend to be inclusive while being closet bigots. This is not to say you are an outed bigot, but I'll wager that the sentiments you've aired regarding the connection between Islam and terrorism are not uncommon amongst most non-Muslim communities. It's the dishonesty of the narrow-minded that rankles, rather than the (possibly) pragmatic discrimination of the fearful. That said, I'd definitely prefer the absence of either group. -- Sumant Srivathsan http://sumants.blogspot.com
Re: [silk] Need some help
> > I stayed for a year in Mumbai, and so did a lot of batchmates from MBA and > we never had a problem find a place to stay even though I was a meat eater > (even beef, though we never cooked), smoker, and regularly had people over > drinking alcohol late into the night though we had to watch noise levels. > > I've heard a lot of things said about the Gujaratis (mostly by Marathis), > but I never experienced any discrimination due to my beef eating and > bacchanalian lifestyle. So yes, the anti-meat rule is almost exclusively to > keep out Muslims. > > I think it is a fact of life that if the sub-community you are a part of is > causing trouble, you will face social repression. And as a member of that > community, you cannot just shy away from the responsibility of reforming > your sub-community. Its either that or you change your name and forgo that > particular identity. This could be one of the reasons my family largely > excluded the Menon surname as not to be identified with those responsible > for quite a bit of caste based discrimination in Kerala (though they will > never admit to it). > > Even I would be wary of lending my house out to Muslims (or any other > communty which is identified as causing terrorism or generally disturbing > the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred to me from somebody I > know well. Face it, apart from the LTTE, IRA, all other major terrorist > groups I know are Islamic in origin to my knowledge (fringe groups like > Maoists, ULFA etc. being ignored). And I would also be vary of those in > khaki shorts and carry around a long wooden stick. > > Kiran I have had it pointed out to be offlist that my post was offensive, and though it was not meant to be, I realize now that it is. However, I don't think its fair to bash the entire Gujarati community. And yes, it isn't fair to bash the entire Muslim community either.It is a tough existence for progressive Muslims who are already alienated by other communities, to voice their opinions and be alienated by their own community as well. My post was only meant as an example of how the actions of a fringe group of a community will nevertheless influence the opinions of others about that community at large. Apologies. Kiran
[silk] Recommendations for Bluetooth headset?
Greetings, list. I recently lost my Jawbone 2 bluetooth headset and am seeking a replacement. What does the list think is a good headset to buy these days? I loved my Jawbone. It was small, very light and had reasonably good voice quality (although by no means effective at noise cancellation). It also had a fundamental problem I've seen in every BT headset: no key lock. I'd rather not have a headset on my ear when not in a call, and no headset I've seen is designed to be kept anywhere except on one's ear. Leaving my Jawbone in the pocket would cause all kinds of weird behaviour on the phone. Over time I learnt to hang it on the edge of my trouser pockets, which is how I lost it. So: what do list members use and recommend? Or should I just get another Jawbone? Kiran -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
Re: [silk] Need some help
--- On Mon, 20/4/09, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: > From: Kiran K Karthikeyan > Subject: Re: [silk] Need some help > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net > Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 12:48 PM > > > > How I agree! > > > > It's a totally toxic state now, and the Gujaratis in > Mumbai seem to be > > mirroring the native Gujarati. > > > > Isn't it ironic that after campaigning against all not > from Maharashtra, > > the Thackerays should now find so much in common with > the Gujarati? > > Presumably the Gujarati vote in Mumbai goes to the > BJP, not to the Shiv > > Sena. > > > > What happened to the Gujarat and the Gujarati that we > knew forty years, > > even twenty years ago? This shows what can happen > under 'soft' Hindutva, and > > under the 'good' Taliban. > > > > I stayed for a year in Mumbai, and so did a lot of > batchmates from MBA and > we never had a problem find a place to stay even though I > was a meat eater > (even beef, though we never cooked), smoker, and regularly > had people over > drinking alcohol late into the night though we had to watch > noise levels. > > I've heard a lot of things said about the Gujaratis (mostly > by Marathis), > but I never experienced any discrimination due to my beef > eating and > bacchanalian lifestyle. So yes, the anti-meat rule is > almost exclusively to > keep out Muslims. > > I think it is a fact of life that if the sub-community you > are a part of is > causing trouble, you will face social repression. And as a > member of that > community, you cannot just shy away from the responsibility > of reforming > your sub-community. Its either that or you change your name > and forgo that > particular identity. This could be one of the reasons my > family largely > excluded the Menon surname as not to be identified with > those responsible > for quite a bit of caste based discrimination in Kerala > (though they will > never admit to it). > > Even I would be wary of lending my house out to Muslims (or > any other > communty which is identified as causing terrorism or > generally disturbing > the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred to me > from somebody I > know well. Face it, apart from the LTTE, IRA, all other > major terrorist > groups I know are Islamic in origin to my knowledge (fringe > groups like > Maoists, ULFA etc. being ignored). And I would also be vary > of those in > khaki shorts and carry around a long wooden stick. > > Kiran I daresay that your, what is it, variability (?), would not extend to the extreme lengths of denying them accommodation (written with the full awareness that the parties in questions are supposedly wearing shorts). Egregious excesses chapter: and I thought only we thick-tongued Bongs had problems with w and v. Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
Re: [silk] Need some help
> > How I agree! > > It's a totally toxic state now, and the Gujaratis in Mumbai seem to be > mirroring the native Gujarati. > > Isn't it ironic that after campaigning against all not from Maharashtra, > the Thackerays should now find so much in common with the Gujarati? > Presumably the Gujarati vote in Mumbai goes to the BJP, not to the Shiv > Sena. > > What happened to the Gujarat and the Gujarati that we knew forty years, > even twenty years ago? This shows what can happen under 'soft' Hindutva, and > under the 'good' Taliban. > I stayed for a year in Mumbai, and so did a lot of batchmates from MBA and we never had a problem find a place to stay even though I was a meat eater (even beef, though we never cooked), smoker, and regularly had people over drinking alcohol late into the night though we had to watch noise levels. I've heard a lot of things said about the Gujaratis (mostly by Marathis), but I never experienced any discrimination due to my beef eating and bacchanalian lifestyle. So yes, the anti-meat rule is almost exclusively to keep out Muslims. I think it is a fact of life that if the sub-community you are a part of is causing trouble, you will face social repression. And as a member of that community, you cannot just shy away from the responsibility of reforming your sub-community. Its either that or you change your name and forgo that particular identity. This could be one of the reasons my family largely excluded the Menon surname as not to be identified with those responsible for quite a bit of caste based discrimination in Kerala (though they will never admit to it). Even I would be wary of lending my house out to Muslims (or any other communty which is identified as causing terrorism or generally disturbing the peace), unless I knew them or they were referred to me from somebody I know well. Face it, apart from the LTTE, IRA, all other major terrorist groups I know are Islamic in origin to my knowledge (fringe groups like Maoists, ULFA etc. being ignored). And I would also be vary of those in khaki shorts and carry around a long wooden stick. Kiran
Re: [silk] Need some help
Your right stops right where it conflicts with another person's rights. Organized policies of discrimination such as vegetarian only buildings are an example. -- srs/nokia e71 -original message- Subject: Re: [silk] Need some help From: "Pranesh Prakash" Date: 20-04-2009 10:20 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:30, . wrote: > As someone had earlier mentioned in this thread, its an owners right > to decide who he/she rents to. If the 'no meat' policy should not be > enforced its equally unfair and discriminatory to say "eat meat" to be > considered one of us. Forget about owners' rights. That's secondary. I think it first needs to be established that an individual has the right to be repulsed by dead animals. I'm not sure people are in agreement on that. (On that note, that that "right to be repulsed" being used as a proxy is repulsive goes without saying. Or goes with being said in the last sentence.)
