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Deep fried dough and soaked in thick sugar syrup is more like it. Deep friend to crisp squiggly dough, drenched in thick orangy sugar syrup. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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On 3/14/07, Neha Viswanathan wrote: Deep fried dough and soaked in thick sugar syrup is more like it. Deep friend to crisp squiggly dough, drenched in thick orangy sugar syrup. Usually eaten together with (yet again, deep fried) Ganthia... http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=302st=120p=39057#entry39057 and a spicy salad of cabbage and chopped green chillies...
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: Bruce: I didn't know what funnel cakes were (I always imagined them to be like conical muffins), but based on your message, I now realise that they are like large, non-syrup-soaked Jalebis. ;-) A distant cousin of the Bengali Malpoa [মালপোয়া] I would guess :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFF96fVXQZpNTcrCzMRAoi6AKCuHn951o7pwrrp6UK23+7O0r95igCXV0p5 WOL8624H72u4JBS2uhz8FQ== =k59P -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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What about jaangri? Maybe batter constituents should be mentioned. Considering Imarti. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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I think I'll have to pay a visit to the old famous Jalebi-wallah in Chandni Chowk sometime soon. Purely for research purposes, of course. -- ams And thou shalt think of me when thou goestthe orange is *supposed* to come from the saffron, but often is just food colouring. Deepa. On 3/14/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2007-03-14 07:50:14 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about jaangri? What about it? (I didn't know what it was until I looked it up just now. I think I'll hunt for some when I'm in Bangalore next.) Maybe batter constituents should be mentioned. Considering Imarti. I think Jalebi batter is mostly made from refined wheat flour (maida). I had no idea that Imartis were made from Urad dal. I think I'll have to pay a visit to the old famous Jalebi-wallah in Chandni Chowk sometime soon. Purely for research purposes, of course. -- ams
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On 3/13/07, Neha Viswanathan wrote: Or are you strictly referring to bilateral/ multilateral aid? Primarily, I mean this You say foreign aid in any form - what about - contributions from individuals of another nationality? Even this I agree there a bunch of people, who know and understand where the money is going to and how it is going to be spent. but from my experience, they are outnumbered by the sheer volume of people who do things like remote-fire-and-forget adoptions / by-the-orphan-in-vietnam-a-bicycle donation, or dial into the 0800 number flashed on television to save the children ... these people are either doing this out of pity, or to make themselves feel better. What about contributions from say the Indian Diaspora in the UK? Maybe i am not fundamentally opposed to this. A lot of such contributions i believe are towards their communities back home, small towns where they came from, or their distant relatives families etc (You know the funny thing - the toughies - the armtwisters like DFID (UK), USAID etc have been asked to stick - which the smaller ones - who hardly make any demands and are more likely to be working on natural resources management, gender, etc like Swiss Dev Corporation, DANIDA, etc have been asked to pack up in two years. ) That is indeed discriminatory. Everyone should be sent home.
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a Bihari bride need not bring any dowry...she just needed to have a family which ran a few NGO's, particularly in the murkiest corners of that hapless State! It's the big ones I am scared of. There are some that I profoundly respect - even when I have worked with them on close quarters - which is a great thing. But having worked in an NGO in Hyderabad (slated to become one of the big five soon) - which gets every contract the government awards - which lies through its teeth about how many schools they work in - how many pregnant women they are monitoring, how many lift irrigations schemes they revived - every bloody number was doctored. They were too big to speak up against. So I left. But I regret not having done anything about it. Not just this - they get the who's who to endorse them - V1mala Ramachandran, Deepa Da$, you name the area expert. I was forced to twist, manipulate every number - and I talking in terms of crores. And they have the most suave people in the state to support them - Chiranjeevi, Isher Ahluwalia, Anand Mahindra, Ramalinga Raju, Anji Reddy - -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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On 3/13/07, Deepa Mohan wrote: Oh nowith so many of our politicians stashing money away abroad, *I* say, let's use the money, wherever it comes from, and try to utilize it a little better...having worked with some social work while it might look like free money, unfortunately, such a thing does not exist... unless you are a gambler and even if you are a gambler, you are going to succumb to gamblers conceit
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On 3/13/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh nowith so many of our politicians stashing money away abroad, *I* say, let's use the money, wherever it comes from, and try to utilize it a little better...having worked with some social work NGO's I do realize the volumes of money available, and also sadly, the amounts that get siphoned offat one point, I met an IAS officer of the Bihar cadre who told me that a Bihari bride need not bring any dowry...she just needed to have a family which ran a few NGO's, particularly in the murkiest corners of that hapless State! Now don't they say Charity begins at home. Now it seems Charity stays at home forever as well. -- Vinayak
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Biju Chacko wrote: On 3/13/07, Bruce Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Udhay Shankar N wrote: There are still quite a few examples of both scruffy khadi-clad pseudomarxists I have been known to wear khaki and look scruffy Just FYI: Khadi isn't khaki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadi Indeed. Thank you for that correction. No, I have not gone about wearing either Khadi or silk while working at NGOs. PS: What did we do before wikipedia? We perpetuated a somewhat larger amount of misinformation based on minor misunderstandings like mine. I've spent a lot of time on Wikipedia thanks to silklist. Lots of terms here that don't translate directly. Just looked up jalebis and found that it can best be translated as mini-funnel cakes. The above is a note of appreciation, BTW, not a complaint. Bruce
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Bruce Metcalf wrote: I've spent a lot of time on Wikipedia thanks to silklist. Lots of terms here that don't translate directly. Just looked up jalebis and found that it can best be translated as mini-funnel cakes. Sweets actually, sticky with lots of sugar syrup. Substitute prefers bonbons to sex if you will .. Given that Ashok's friend and his wife / mistress are from Jamnagar / Gujarat, and given that Gujarati food has some of the highest sugar, fat and starch content in indian cuisine so someone who prefers food to even the very gentle exercise that sex is likely to be (two minutes once a week, or something of that sort) is quite likely to be clinically obese. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | gpg EDEDEFB9 email sturmbahnfuehrer | lower middle class unix sysadmin
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On 3/13/07, Bruce Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just looked up jalebis and found that it can best be translated as mini-funnel cakes. Deep fried dough and soaked in thick sugar syrup is more like it. Thaths -- Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy. Marge: What's that? Homer: (pause) A dinosaur. -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
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Not unusual at all i have had conversation on such subject matter with a whole cross section of women from different backgrounds : secretaries, waitresses, nuns, colleagues, prostitutues, entrepeneurs, teachers...from different age groups, from both african and (slightly less so) european countries. Never (okay... there may have been an exception or two...) with a woman of south asian origins admittedly, i have a special liking for african women, but when i am conversing with someone, i know when I am doing so with a clear head and without any agenda :) On 3/10/07, shiv sastry wrote: This is an unusual conversation indeed. I don't think a man and a woman casually have this sort of conversation with anyone, Indian or not on the second or third casual meeting unless there is an undercurrent of other signals in the air. I suspect that you have refused to read any messages that were sought to be conveyed to you. A Hindi song comes to mind Woh hai aise budhoo, na samjhe re pyaar.. shiv
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ashok _ wrote: This is a small country with a finite number of indians, so clearly getting a local indian mistress was out of the question (too many familiar people). So, instead, the guy imported a mistress all the way from Jamnagar, and additionaly, the mistress was from his own community. He put her up in a different corner of the small town, away from the prying eyes of his wife. I eagerly look forward to the day he finds out that his new mistress also prefers jalebis to sex. srs
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On Monday 12 Mar 2007 10:07 am, Biju Chacko wrote: Odd, really. You'd think that, with the population we have, there'd be a lot of sex going on and Indians would be less repressed about it out of sheer familiarity. I guess Indians mostly reproduce asexually. Not at all. They follow the Nike principle. They don't talk about it. They just do it. shiv
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Udhay Shankar N wrote: There are still quite a few examples of both scruffy khadi-clad pseudomarxists as well as socialites in the NGO space. Which obliges me to ponder which I am. Yup, as of next Friday week, I'll be the executive director of an NGO. http://augustansociety.org I have been known to wear khaki and look scruffy, and I have done a bit of socializing, though never in silk. I'm not particularly female either. Or by non-profit and NGO do you *only* mean social service organizations? I've been involved in many non-profit organizations over the years, but only one qualified as social service. Does anyone see this distinction making any difference in this debate? Bruce Metcalf Lake Buena Vista
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On 3/13/07, Bruce Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Udhay Shankar N wrote: There are still quite a few examples of both scruffy khadi-clad pseudomarxists as well as socialites in the NGO space. Which obliges me to ponder which I am. Yup, as of next Friday week, I'll be the executive director of an NGO. http://augustansociety.org I have been known to wear khaki and look scruffy, and I have done a bit of socializing, though never in silk. I'm not particularly female either. Just FYI: Khadi isn't khaki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadi -- b PS: What did we do before wikipedia?
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Bruce Metcalf wrote: [ on 05:45 AM 3/13/2007 ] Or by non-profit and NGO do you *only* mean social service organizations? I've been involved in many non-profit organizations over the years, but only one qualified as social service. Does anyone see this distinction making any difference in this debate? I meant social service organizations by using the term NGO. I recognize there are other types of NGO, but I don't really address them in my post. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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(though personally i am against all foreign aid in any form funny enough, i like the chinese model of doing business and investing in africa... ) You say foreign aid in any form - what about - contributions from individuals of another nationality? What about contributions from say the Indian Diaspora in the UK? Or are you strictly referring to bilateral/ multilateral aid? (You know the funny thing - the toughies - the armtwisters like DFID (UK), USAID etc have been asked to stick - which the smaller ones - who hardly make any demands and are more likely to be working on natural resources management, gender, etc like Swiss Dev Corporation, DANIDA, etc have been asked to pack up in two years. ) -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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user: toi.silk password: toi -- Charles On 3/8/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinayak Hegde wrote: On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? Go to epaper.timesofindia.com pick the economic times - bangalore edition. You can probably try the free edition or you might have to register (for free ?) to get access. I'd recommend giving them a throwaway address - and then canceling it They send you tons and tons of email if you sign up. However I havent seen that ET requires registration to read it news.google.com points to a few other articles / press releases about a virtual marathon that cry is sponsoring or organizing is all
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On 3/10/07, shiv sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 10 Mar 2007 5:09 pm, ashok _ wrote: Now mind you, this was a purely casual conversation, it did not imply anything at all, neither from me, nor from her. There were no implicit or explicit messages here. It was clearly understood from both sides... This is an unusual conversation indeed. I don't think a man and a woman casually have this sort of conversation with anyone, Indian or not on the second or third casual meeting unless there is an undercurrent of other signals in the air. In Botswana, at least, this *could* have been a pretty casual conversation -- possibly because sex itself was pretty casual. Odd, really. You'd think that, with the population we have, there'd be a lot of sex going on and Indians would be less repressed about it out of sheer familiarity. I guess Indians mostly reproduce asexually. -- b
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http://themaanga.blogspot.com/ There's a dropdown box there with TheOtherNilu writes - all those are from his woman persona, and they're all about sex with a uniquely madras flavor. Note: Both are friends of mine. Both Nilu and TheOtherNilu are very real. :) -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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Ah they BOTH exist? Well then, that's a relief. TON (TheOtherNilu) is very real and a dear friend. She's just keen on maintaining her anonymity. You should see the hate mail she gets. All because she's a little honest about sex and suchlike. Yes, I believe the fact that they both exist is a matter of much relief to them too. :D -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: 2. Has this periodic weird habit of pretending to be a woman and writing about sex from a woman's viewpoint. Unless he really has a girlfriend sharing his blog Nope, real woman. ;) -- * Madhu Menon Shiok Far-eastern Cuisine Indiranagar, Bangalore Visit us @ http://www.shiokfood.com Phone: (080) 4116 1800
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On 12-Mar-07, at 11:55 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: a _little_ honest? refreshingly candid, actually. The kiruba crowd doesnt like her or nilu at all, especially after stuff like this - http://themaanga.blogspot.com/2007/01/photographing-urinals-kings- way.html This post inspired a longer rant on Metblogs: http://themaanga.blogspot.com/2006/09/puke-of-day_12.html And this is Nilu: http://flickr.com/photos/jace/239007529/in/set-72157594275732937/ -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/
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On 3/10/07, Neha Viswanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was one of the alumni co-ods in undergrad. We were trying to prepare a list for some alumni event. In the eighties - someone had completely messed up the alumni lists - which meant that all we were left with was a lot of maiden names. So if I was looking for Shruti Shukla, googling, asking classmates, asking other people - no one had a clue. (Chances are she moved with her husband to some place, lost touch with her friends.) Phone numbers change over 15 years, so do addresses. Ah, Facebook! Here's one hapless individual's adventures there. http://www.slate.com/id/2161456 As someone who answers to the description in the article above that reads, *You know how in *The Tipping Point* Malcolm Gladwell describes the person he calls a connector— the charming, gregarious individual who knows everyone and makes things happen? I'm the opposite of that person*, I find I've had no difficulty keeping in touch with those classmates dating back to even the Plasticine era in my life whom I've wished to stay tenuously connected to. Google, job-related media visibility and airport lounges are my personal nightmares, as long-well-lost acquaintances pop back into my life About the male-dominated institutions - in my second work place - the bonding was mostly late at night (I simply couldn't go - I lived alone - and I didn't have a vehicle - and have you seen how safe the streets are after 11? Hell, even my colleagues became unsafe after 11.) They discussed tender amounts in the loo. They forwarded some of the most obscene mails i have laid eyes on to each other. The thing is - even if I enjoy the humour - I have to pretend I don't - because apparently that gives out crazy messages too. I have found that most male colleagues are unaware of the exclusive nature of their bonding routines. Particularly to those men and women who are unable or unwilling to participate in the late night, alcohol centric, scatological or sports varieties. Advertising in the '80s and '90s did seem to require one to be one of the boys to have access to certain kinds of conversations/opportunities. And women in less gender-equitable industries have suggested they had a harder time of it than I did. Male clients in Delhi and Chennai, in particular, seemed less comfortable dealing with women professionally especially when it came to hard bargaining or socialising. I remember assembling a repertoire of mildly smutty jokes to put some groups of men at ease! Mumbai, fortunately, was easier in every respect - feeling safe travelling alone at night, interacting or competing with men (colleagues and clients) in a gender agnostic manner etc. -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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The thing is - even if I enjoy the humour - I have to pretend I don't - because apparently that gives out crazy messages too. This is very interesting. because, yesterday, i was visiting a certain office in an official capacity. I had to wait because there was somebody in with the person i was to meet. So i waited, and during that time i had a conversation with the secretary parked outside. I have met the secretary about twice before (note: secretary is kenyan and fairly attractive...) I dont know how we got there, but at some point the conversation turned to the sexual habits of *her* neighbour... apparently the neighbour's wife had a problem, in that she insisted on having sex fully clothed, otherwise she did not feel comfortable. so the neighbor's wife had come and described the procedure of how the deed was done with the husband to the secretary. And the secretary now described the procedure to me. Now mind you, this was a purely casual conversation, it did not imply anything at all, neither from me, nor from her. There were no implicit or explicit messages here. It was clearly understood from both sides... My point with this example is that, this hidden messages business i have gotten only from indian women not from anybody else. Why is this so? A conversation like the above, is in my opinion impossible to make casually with an indian woman
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Neha Viswanathan wrote: [ on 01:18 PM 3/10/2007 ] So if I was looking for Shruti Shukla, googling, asking classmates, asking other people - no one had a clue. (Chances are she moved with her husband to some place, lost touch with her friends.) Phone numbers change over 15 years, so do addresses. This is the kind of thing that class email lists [1] are good at solving. And yes, social networking sites too. I recognise that your class may predate these conveniences, but contacts tend to accrete over time, so starting a list with 4-5 addresses might well grow quite quickly. At least, so I've found. Udhay [1] There is unlikely to be a graduating class from my Alma Mater (St. Joseph's College, Bangalore) over the last decade without a mailing list to its name. Of course, my graduation predates this. :-| -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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so the neighbor's wife had come and described the procedure of how the deed was done with the husband to the secretary. And the Now mind you, this was a purely casual conversation, it did not imply anything at all, neither from me, nor from her. There were no implicit or explicit messages here. It was clearly understood from both sides... My point with this example is that, this hidden messages business i have gotten only from indian women not from anybody else. Why is this so? A conversation like the above, is in my opinion impossible to make casually with an indian woman I agree with youwell, *I* think the reason is, sex is such a repressed subject and activity in the Indian milieu, that all messages have to be hidden and sent, and this gives rise, as in all occult forms of communication, to signals beingmisinterpreted, and sometimes interpreted where there are none. I find many Indian men and women very insecure in their sexuality. There is such a mix of prudery and voyeurism, with the moral tags also being attached (even to this day)a simple example which my son in law pointed outcourting couples never hold hands because they are not married, and married couples don't hold hands because they are! Deepa. On 3/10/07, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing is - even if I enjoy the humour - I have to pretend I don't - because apparently that gives out crazy messages too. This is very interesting. because, yesterday, i was visiting a certain office in an official capacity. I had to wait because there was somebody in with the person i was to meet. So i waited, and during that time i had a conversation with the secretary parked outside. I have met the secretary about twice before (note: secretary is kenyan and fairly attractive...) I dont know how we got there, but at some point the conversation turned to the sexual habits of *her* neighbour... apparently the neighbour's wife had a problem, in that she insisted on having sex fully clothed, otherwise she did not feel comfortable. so the neighbor's wife had come and described the procedure of how the deed was done with the husband to the secretary. And the secretary now described the procedure to me. Now mind you, this was a purely casual conversation, it did not imply anything at all, neither from me, nor from her. There were no implicit or explicit messages here. It was clearly understood from both sides... My point with this example is that, this hidden messages business i have gotten only from indian women not from anybody else. Why is this so? A conversation like the above, is in my opinion impossible to make casually with an indian woman
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On Saturday 10 Mar 2007 5:09 pm, ashok _ wrote: Now mind you, this was a purely casual conversation, it did not imply anything at all, neither from me, nor from her. There were no implicit or explicit messages here. It was clearly understood from both sides... This is an unusual conversation indeed. I don't think a man and a woman casually have this sort of conversation with anyone, Indian or not on the second or third casual meeting unless there is an undercurrent of other signals in the air. I suspect that you have refused to read any messages that were sought to be conveyed to you. A Hindi song comes to mind Woh hai aise budhoo, na samjhe re pyaar.. shiv
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On Saturday 10 Mar 2007 1:18 pm, Neha Viswanathan wrote: Hell, even my colleagues became unsafe after 11. ROTFL!!
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On Saturday 10 Mar 2007 1:18 pm, Neha Viswanathan wrote: They forwarded some of the most obscene mails i have laid eyes on to each other. The thing is - even if I enjoy the humour - I have to pretend I don't - because apparently that gives out crazy messages too. Whoops - I clicked send on my previous message before I intended to. Anyhow - I am oldish now and am out of the casual romance game. But even when I was youger, I was safe in a very PC way. I practised the art of looking at eyes alone and never at boobs. I never exchanged unsolicited dirty jokes. I never touched when touching was unnecessary. But I still find that women react to things I begin to say as if I am going to say something dirty. And of course - no matter how much you look at a woman's eyes she will keep checking her clothing as if you are looking at her cleavage. It's almost as if the hand movement checking the clothing is asking for one's gaze to move down Even actresses on TV do that, and only the most sophisticated women are very comfortable about how much cleavage they are showing and are not constantly checking and adjusting just when you happen to look at them or address them. I don't know whether its them or me.. shiv
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I don't know whether its them or me.. It's you. :) (jk) -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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hurree jamset ram singh lives, ok! On 3/8/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OOH Ingrid, loved that response. The best reply to this is the one Udhay made, further down the thread. Let the Polysyllabic War begin! Deepa. On 3/8/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on a lighter note, the most amusing response to the article thus far: --- The article of yours (in the E.T) engenders the de-gendering or deconstruction of the hegemony of patriarchy which has constructed specific norms of masculinity and femininity. This construction has confined people to look not beyond the box but within the rubrics laid by it especially in the arenas of choosing the field of study and profession. Your article has adroitly challenged the attributes of the mind and heart so synonymously attributed singly with the two sexes. The article has touched me immensely.' -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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On 3/9/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hurree jamset ram singh lives, ok! Unusual to find someone who has read Billy Bunter. Anyone have an idea where one can buy old ones ? Deepak
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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: [ on 05:57 PM 3/9/2007 ] Unusual to find someone who has read Billy Bunter. Anyone have an idea where one can buy old ones ? The british library? Coincidentally, teh British Library in Bangalore is soon going to have a sale. YAROOOHH! Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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I have not been there in a while, but don't recall seing them. Deepak On 3/9/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepak Misra wrote: On 3/9/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hurree jamset ram singh lives, ok! Unusual to find someone who has read Billy Bunter. Anyone have an idea where one can buy old ones ? The british library?
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--- Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coincidentally, teh British Library in Bangalore is soon going to have a sale. YAROOOHH! Please, could you post details when you have them? Thanks! Pavithra Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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I remember when I joined Tata Institute of Social Sciences for a Masters in Social Work, I was amazed by the fact that there were far more women than men there. It has nothing of course to do with women having nicer hearts, but as many men explained - that women's families assume that it's a safe and decent working line - (Not ever imagining that we would be packed off to rural Thane for fieldwork.). But that brings me to something else - my undergrad was in a women's college (Lady Shri Ram) and my post grad in TISS ( women-dominated) and both had very poor alumni networks. Though in the last five years, both have been making half-hearted attempts. When we sat down to contact the many women who slipped through the sieves in these institutions, we realized that we couldn't contact most of them - because well - their names had changed. And in the institutions where there are far more men - the networks become that much harder to crack - everything seems to be loo-bonding. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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Neha Viswanathan wrote: [ on 12:13 AM 3/10/2007 ] When we sat down to contact the many women who slipped through the sieves in these institutions, we realized that we couldn't contact most of them - because well - their names had changed. And in the institutions where there are far more men - the networks become that much harder to crack - everything seems to be loo-bonding. This sounds interesting. Can you expand a little more on this? Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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This sounds interesting. Can you expand a little more on this? Well, I was one of the alumni co-ods in undergrad. We were trying to prepare a list for some alumni event. In the eighties - someone had completely messed up the alumni lists - which meant that all we were left with was a lot of maiden names. So if I was looking for Shruti Shukla, googling, asking classmates, asking other people - no one had a clue. (Chances are she moved with her husband to some place, lost touch with her friends.) Phone numbers change over 15 years, so do addresses. Post marriage - it's harder for women to keep in touch with their friends - especially if they have moved cities. This notion of becoming a seamless unit - means that couples end up going out together. And usually they end up going out with the man's friends. (Yes, I know things have changed - but for a lot of people they haven't - at all.). While this intellectual distaste for Orkut, Facebook and other thingys may find justification somewhere, for a lot of women this becomes highly exciting - I've found long lost friends - with half their name defaced - part of the same alumni orkut group - recognizing them through their photographs. About the male-dominated institutions - in my second work place - the bonding was mostly late at night (I simply couldn't go - I lived alone - and I didn't have a vehicle - and have you seen how safe the streets are after 11? Hell, even my colleagues became unsafe after 11.) They discussed tender amounts in the loo. They forwarded some of the most obscene mails i have laid eyes on to each other. The thing is - even if I enjoy the humour - I have to pretend I don't - because apparently that gives out crazy messages too. You know what I love about email? The fact that it's the most permanent thing in many people's lives. -- Neha Viswanathan +44(0) 77695 65886 London, UK http://withinandwithout.com | http://globalvoicesonline.org
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Would you have a link to this article handy? On 3/8/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is specifically to Ingrid Srinath, whose email id I can't remember... I liked your article in today's Economic Times. I don't know where else and on what topics you have written; and I am not, in general, very keen on the tokenism of Women's Day; but I agreed with what you said, about management -skill requirements being as high in an NGO as anywhere else. Deepa.
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On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? I think you have to go to Economic Times online (google and go to the link)...sign up and get an Indiatimes id and use that to see the e-paper! Sorry, I saw the physical newspaperhey...if one you techies has a more elegant solution...please send it along. I don't normally read newspapers online. Deepa. On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? On 3/8/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is specifically to Ingrid Srinath, whose email id I can't remember... I liked your article in today's Economic Times. I don't know where else and on what topics you have written; and I am not, in general, very keen on the tokenism of Women's Day; but I agreed with what you said, about management -skill requirements being as high in an NGO as anywhere else. Deepa.
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On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? Go to epaper.timesofindia.com pick the economic times - bangalore edition. You can probably try the free edition or you might have to register (for free ?) to get access. -- Vinayak
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Vinayak Hegde wrote: On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? Go to epaper.timesofindia.com pick the economic times - bangalore edition. You can probably try the free edition or you might have to register (for free ?) to get access. I'd recommend giving them a throwaway address - and then canceling it They send you tons and tons of email if you sign up. However I havent seen that ET requires registration to read it news.google.com points to a few other articles / press releases about a virtual marathon that cry is sponsoring or organizing is all
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Thank you! Howevr, the trial version is only for the Bombay edition so I had to sign up. On 3/8/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinayak Hegde wrote: On 3/8/07, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you have a link to this article handy? Go to epaper.timesofindia.com pick the economic times - bangalore edition. You can probably try the free edition or you might have to register (for free ?) to get access. I'd recommend giving them a throwaway address - and then canceling it They send you tons and tons of email if you sign up. However I havent seen that ET requires registration to read it news.google.com points to a few other articles / press releases about a virtual marathon that cry is sponsoring or organizing is all
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Thank you, Deepa. Agree entirely on the Women's Day tokenism issue. I tried to address that in the piece which ET would have preferred to be slanted towards *why women are better suited to ngo careers than men are*. This misguided belief and the general perception of NGO-wallahs as either, unkempt, khadi-clad revolutionaries OR silk-sheathed socialites is a real barrier to sane people considering jobs in the sector. I could mail the text or a scanned copy to anyone here who is interested. On 3/8/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is specifically to Ingrid Srinath, whose email id I can't remember... I liked your article in today's Economic Times. I don't know where else and on what topics you have written; and I am not, in general, very keen on the tokenism of Women's Day; but I agreed with what you said, about management -skill requirements being as high in an NGO as anywhere else. Deepa. -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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I find another parallel to the point Ingrid makes,in the whole teaching is a career better suited to women mythi. And why? (Because they get summer holidays with the children was the most common answer, with other responses eveng going to a fairly canny their children can study in the same school for free.) I found this particularly a problem in the Gulf countries when we lived there...housewives, sorry homemakers, were drafted into teaching. Homemakers sometimes make excellent teachers, sometimes not; I think that the ability to teach ..and enjoy doing so...is inborn, and money or holidays should not be the criteria to choose teaching as a profession. Perhaps this is part of the problem we face with education today. Teaching is perceived, not as bread-and-butter, but as jam. As long as we continue to think this way...Goodbye, Mr Chips! Deepa. On 3/8/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Deepa. Agree entirely on the Women's Day tokenism issue. I tried to address that in the piece which ET would have preferred to be slanted towards *why women are better suited to ngo careers than men are*. This misguided belief and the general perception of NGO-wallahs as either, unkempt, khadi-clad revolutionaries OR silk-sheathed socialites is a real barrier to sane people considering jobs in the sector. I could mail the text or a scanned copy to anyone here who is interested. On 3/8/07, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is specifically to Ingrid Srinath, whose email id I can't remember... I liked your article in today's Economic Times. I don't know where else and on what topics you have written; and I am not, in general, very keen on the tokenism of Women's Day; but I agreed with what you said, about management -skill requirements being as high in an NGO as anywhere else. Deepa. -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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on a lighter note, the most amusing response to the article thus far: --- The article of yours (in the E.T) engenders the de-gendering or deconstruction of the hegemony of patriarchy which has constructed specific norms of masculinity and femininity. This construction has confined people to look not beyond the box but within the rubrics laid by it especially in the arenas of choosing the field of study and profession. Your article has adroitly challenged the attributes of the mind and heart so synonymously attributed singly with the two sexes. The article has touched me immensely.' -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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Ingrid wrote: [ on 06:55 PM 3/8/2007 ] This misguided belief and the general perception of NGO-wallahs as either, unkempt, khadi-clad revolutionaries OR silk-sheathed socialites is a real barrier to sane people considering jobs in the sector. I am not sure if this is cause, effect or faulty pattern perception on my part - but I've done some amount of volunteer work in the past, and the NGO biz [1] seems to have more than its fair share of both the kinds of fauna you cite. Also, my gut feel [2] is that the newer, venture philathropic organizations had a bit of a tough time at first when they tried to get some accounting rigour into the industry. Ingrid, your thoughts? Udhay [1] Oh yes, it is most certainly a biz. [2] Which means I don't have hard data, only anecdotal evidence. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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Ingrid wrote: [ on 07:20 PM 3/8/2007 ] The article of yours (in the E.T) engenders the de-gendering or deconstruction of the hegemony of patriarchy which has constructed specific norms of masculinity and femininity. This construction has confined people to look not beyond the box but within the rubrics laid by it especially in the arenas of choosing the field of study and profession. Your article has adroitly challenged the attributes of the mind and heart so synonymously attributed singly with the two sexes. The article has touched me immensely.' Gasp!, he gasped, gaspingly. Guattari lives! Udhay PS: http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html -- The essential paradigm of cyberspace is creating partially situated identities out of actual or potential social reality in terms of canonical forms of human contact, thus renormalizing the phenomenology of narrative space and requiring the naturalization of the intersubjective cognitive strategy, and thereby resolving the dialectics of metaphorical thoughts, each problematic to the other, collectively redefining and reifying the paradigm of the parable of the model of the metaphor.
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On 3/8/07, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingrid wrote: [ on 06:55 PM 3/8/2007 ] This misguided belief and the general perception of NGO-wallahs as either, unkempt, khadi-clad revolutionaries OR silk-sheathed socialites is a real barrier to sane people considering jobs in the sector. I am not sure if this is cause, effect or faulty pattern perception on my part - but I've done some amount of volunteer work in the past, and the NGO biz [1] seems to have more than its fair share of both the kinds of fauna you cite. Also, my gut feel [2] is that the newer, venture philathropic organizations had a bit of a tough time at first when they tried to get some accounting rigour into the industry. Ingrid, your thoughts? 1. inadequate sample biased towards visible and/or urban NGOs 2. dated i.e. prior to the emergence of the newer, venture philanthropic organisations 3. media and urban middle-class bias towards more touchy-feely organisations/causes 4. self-fulfilling prophecy in two ways a. positioning determines who joins, which, in turn determines perceptions b. donor preferences determine ngo stances which do nothing to change donor preferences -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ingrid wrote: The article of yours (in the E.T) engenders the de-gendering or deconstruction of the hegemony of patriarchy which has constructed specific norms of masculinity and femininity. This construction has confined people to look not beyond the box but within the rubrics laid by it especially in the arenas of choosing the field of study and profession. Your article has adroitly challenged the attributes of the mind and heart so synonymously attributed singly with the two sexes. The article has touched me immensely.' Golly !! Someone whipped nonsense.sf.net mightily :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF8Bn1XQZpNTcrCzMRAqvVAKCh1PVtG7o5VdHPBpFHtvfUK0zaSQCeM6pS Z1IO36XaCBFhu55YcEtaQHk= =6Ilw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Ingrid wrote: [ on 07:39 PM 3/8/2007 ] 1. inadequate sample biased towards visible and/or urban NGOs This is quite possible. 2. dated i.e. prior to the emergence of the newer, venture philanthropic organisations There are still quite a few examples of both scruffy khadi-clad pseudomarxists as well as socialites in the NGO space. Including, in at least one case, in newer venture philanthropic organizations. 4. self-fulfilling prophecy in two ways a. positioning determines who joins, which, in turn determines perceptions b. donor preferences determine ngo stances which do nothing to change donor preferences Possibly - don't have enough background to comment. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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OOH Ingrid, loved that response. The best reply to this is the one Udhay made, further down the thread. Let the Polysyllabic War begin! Deepa. On 3/8/07, Ingrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on a lighter note, the most amusing response to the article thus far: --- The article of yours (in the E.T) engenders the de-gendering or deconstruction of the hegemony of patriarchy which has constructed specific norms of masculinity and femininity. This construction has confined people to look not beyond the box but within the rubrics laid by it especially in the arenas of choosing the field of study and profession. Your article has adroitly challenged the attributes of the mind and heart so synonymously attributed singly with the two sexes. The article has touched me immensely.' -- The future is here; it's just not widely distributed yet. - William Gibson
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On Thursday 08 Mar 2007 4:13 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote: I think you have to go to Economic Times online (google and go to the link)...sign up and get an Indiatimes id and use that to see the e-paper! Sorry, I saw the physical newspaperhey...if one you techies has a more elegant solution...please send it along. I don't normally read newspapers online. On these lines I must point out that I loved the article by RX Bhat in the Hindu that appeared sometime in 1998. It should be simple for people on Silk to figure out exactly what I am talking about. I recommend that article highly shiv
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On Thursday 08 Mar 2007 6:55 pm, Ingrid wrote: I could mail the text or a scanned copy to anyone here who is interested. me shiv
