Re: Doctors
Mike, your thoughts are reasonable, sound, diplomatic, productive, constructive. Perhaps some of the exasperation so many feel about MD's grows out of the fact that the medical establishment has indeed achieved such important, life-saving discoveries and treatments, that *they*and*we* somehow have gotten the misconception that they are supposed to know everything and help everyone every time. If *we*and*they* could remember that they are just humans like the rest of us, doing their best and sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, we could drop the resentment and get on with the business of helping people be healthy. Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 12:09 PM Subject: Doctors -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Provocative thoughts
Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts >GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of >grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against >yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain >fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Hello, Tom. I also have all kinds of symptoms including "fog" and fatigue, and I think I must to a "liver flush" or several. Trouble is, I dread it like death itself. Please write and tell me it wasn't so bad. Particularly, how did you manage to sleep through the night, or didn't you? If you did not sleep, what happened to you? Clark says, comfortingly, that if you dont' sleep through the night, "you may have the worst night of your life" well, I have not slept through a night in the last decade. And no amount of ornithine is going to fool my body into thinking eight hours equals four. So I wonder what I am going to face? Can you help? thanks! Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Tom Young To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: OT: Brain fog anecdotes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
COMFREY
I also would like to have any information that some one on the list may have about Comfrey. thanks very much .. -- Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
On 12 Jul 98 at 13:17, Wil Cavanaugh wrote: > Your assessment of chc's post was well-received by me, though I > visit his side of the fence more often than the other side. Thank you. > My concern was with "throwing out the good with the bad" that you > alluded to. Sorry, friend, but that has already happened and your > reference to the lad who laid open his thumb and "needed" the doctor > is a terrific case in point. It tells me clearly that this horse > ain't near dead enough. Have you never heard of or used comfrey? > It's like science fiction the way this stuff works. [treatment stories clipped] Those results sound pretty amazing. I'll have to touch base with our friend who's big into herbals and homeopathy and see what she has on it. Did the injuries you described feature ligament or nerve damage, and did they heal properly as well as attractively? I'm a real newbie when it comes to all the alternatives that are out there. Keep up the battle! > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? OH NOO! He's asked about colloidal gold!!! Go to it folks! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: 28 vdc power supply
On 12 Jul 98 at 18:13, Bill wrote: > Here's a source for a Power-One brand linear power supply > (part no. HB2B-1-A). ... > Can anyone see a problem using this particular > power supply to run a 'plug-in' CS generator ? Only the matter of wiring and packaging, assuming it is an open frame supply, or there are screw terminals that have to be wired to house current. One nice thing about batteries is you can't electrocute somebody with 'em. If we are explicit, complete, and include pictures with our instructions we ought to be able to guide just about anyone through the project safely. It could, as you say, be useful for testing our standard recipe. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: How Much CS/GfSE...How Often?
Hello, Peter. I know of at least one man who had a diagnosis of MS, which abated as soon as he 1. had all mercury fillings removed from his mouth, and 2. had chelation treatments to remove mercury that had leaked into his body. I would look into the possibility of mercury poisoning before taking more heavy metal into myself. The man is Ken Presner. Has a website any search engine should be able to find for you. Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Peter Koziol To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:34 PM Subject: Re: How Much CS/GfSE...How Often? >Susan or anyone who can help; >I am in a wheel chair and getting all sorts of allergies , can't walk, >constant pain, concentration problems etc.etc. Is this all m.s. related or >should I be rigorously doing a antibiotic regime? Sure as tooting am going >downhill fast. >Take care, >Peter K. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
28 vdc power supply
Here's a source for a Power-One brand linear power supply (part no. HB2B-1-A). It's 28 vdc x 1 amp maximum output; input (range): 100-240 vac, 47-63 Hz x 0.75 amp. It has adjustable output +/- 5% ; line/load regulation +/- 0.05% or better. Ripple less than 5 mV peak-peak. Costs $20 (10 for $175). Size 4" x 5" x 2-3/4". from: C&H Sales Company - 1-800-325-9465 (Pasadena, CA) e-mail: c&h...@thegrid.net(request catalog) (min. order $30, or add $5 handling; shipping extra) This would have a much more stable output than batteries, (or $5 wall transformer) -- good for standardized testing. -- Can anyone see a problem using this particular power supply to run a 'plug-in' CS generator ? --Bill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Comfrey Off the Topic
Years ago comfrey-pepsin was a wonderful GI (Gastrointestinal )healing agent. We used it to heal ulcers, to sooth the GI tract and it worked great. Who says you need antibitics to heal h.pylori?? Anyway, someone got a hairbrained idea to shove 1000 x the usual does into lab rats and i believe it caused cancer. (Duuuhhh, no kidding) So in all of their wisdom the FDA took it off the market. I do not know if it ever came back. Now we use "Okra Pepsin", which seems to work good too. So, Joyce if you have comfrey pepsin in your yard, do find out what, how, when and why, because it is valuable. BTW don't forget to e-mail me your address, off the net! chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Is there Colloidal Gold?
Wil recently I saw colloidal gold being sold on the same site as 100 ppm cs, They also had colloidal platinum, colloidal chromium and vanadium. They gave summaries of what each was for, but sorry, I could not keep them straight. URLhttp://www.waterozm.com/ Here's what waterOZ says about, Gold Mineral Water Gold Mineral Water is non-toxic and promotes a general euphoric feeling of well being, stimulates the body's restorative functions, enhances the body's natural defenses against illness, and promotes vitality and longevity. Gold Mineral Water is believed to be helpful with: brain function, depression, despair, fear, circulatory problems, drug/alcohol addictions, digestive disorders, gland functions, puncture wounds, seasonal attitude disorder, arthritis, burns, chills, frustration, obesity, anguish, melancholy, sorrow, heat flashes, and night sweats. Hope this helps. chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
Hi Joyce Just a bit of information re: perhaps a potential effect of comfrey taken internally. My neighbour raised goats and used the meat. The year that she grew and fed comfrey leaves to the goats she found white spots on the liver. This condition had never been noticed before so she removed the comfrey from the diet and the livers did not exhibit the white spots. Comfrey is excellent for external use [poultices] Regards Lynne Walker -- > From: Joyce Inouye > To: W. D. Cavanaugh > Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p > Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 2:35 PM > > > RE: COMFREY--I have two comfrey plants in the back yard that was given to > me. Will someone send me information as to all the ways I can use it? > For example, how do you dry it? In the sun? In the oven? In a food > dryer? > > I think there was a comfrey scare once which put a damper on people using > comfrey. But I read a story of a woman whom the doctors had given up on. > She was on her way to Hawwaii to say goodby to her relatives, but read a > magazine which described a health center, so she changed her ticket and > went there instead. She lived for about 2 years on juices, and mentioned > comfrey in her book. Today, she is well and alive. > > > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? > > Yes, there is a colloidal gold, like colloidal silver. People believe > gold helps your nervous system, but I think Dr. Schulze's nerve tonic is more > effective. > > Regards, > :) Joyce > > > > On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, W. D. Cavanaugh wrote: > > > Mike, > > Your assessment of chc's post was well-received by me, though I visit > > his > > side of the fence more often than the other side. > > > > My concern was with "throwing out the good with the bad" that you > > alluded > > to. Sorry, friend, but that has already happened and your reference to > > the lad who laid open his thumb and "needed" the doctor is a terrific > > case in point. It tells me clearly that this horse ain't near dead > > enough. Have you never heard of or used comfrey? It's like science > > fiction the way this stuff works. Chuck's father laid open his ring > > finger to the bone when his wedding ring got caught by their > > automatically- > > closing trunk. I had given him a comfrey plant and he had dried quite > > a few leaves which I then blended into a dry powder. He dusted the > > badly > > mangled finger with this powder AND used some fresh comfrey blended with > > water > > to soak the digit. In WELL UNDER a week (3 or 4 days, I seem to recall) > > you could hardly see the point of injury. I myself laid open a thumb to > > the > > bone, soaked the badly bleeding injury in comfrey water for 30 minutes, > > there was almost no pain after that and the injury healed to the point > > that you'd have thought it a mere scratch in 3 or 4 days. > > > > My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey (which > > even > > works on my dogs and peafowl-- that pretty well eliminates > > psychosomatics.) > > There are MANY SUCH cures that work on everybody, but they don't work on > > anybody anymore, 'cause that course of study has turned into opinionated > > herbalism that doesn't work or the study has been altogether abandoned. > > VERY FEW herbalists with whom we have dealt have any knowledge of > > dosage. > > VERY FEW chiropractors with whom I have dealt are more than con artists. > > THIS LIST is perhaps the single group of enlightened folks who put all > > others to the test and come out with the pure gold. > www.eskimo.com/~reid/> > > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? > > > > Wil Cavanaugh > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR
Hello Listers, Would the person(s) who posted that they were using the expensive AC GENERATOR (I think around $600) during that AC/DC debate some months back please stand up? Also, anyone else who has knowledge in this area or knows of similar generators. I would like to ask some questions. Thank you - Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid???
At 10:30 PM 7/11/98 +, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > >Oh, I know I shouldn't get into this. Maybe it's my Lyme that's in my >brain. >"The truth will set you free. It will be very painful at first, but it >will set you free." > [snip] chc, Fantastic! Have you read "the farce of physics" yet? Assume you have already seen my quackwatch rebuttal email? If not I can email both to you. It's really sad that one has to experience some of the bullshit to open our eyes. Its radicals like us (probably much less than 5% of the population) that make the changes - rest prefer to sleep. Have you read Robert Becker' s Body Electric? - Its a perfect example of what mainstream interests have done to undermine electromedical break throughs... Chris Gupta -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
Thinks I Know That Work. Things. whiz kid. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Gabe Anast
Gabe, if you are still on this list, will you please e-mail me privately at h...@piggott.net ? The mail I send you is being returned. Charles -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
W. D. Cavanaugh wrote: > > My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey (which > even > works on my dogs and peafowl-- I didn't know that either. Maybe we need an off topic subject here about, Thinks I Know THAT WORK or something similar. > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? Yes, 100ppm is available. bjs > Wil Cavanaugh -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
>Just another suggestion. Anyone else? > >Mike D. SINCE YOU'RE SO AGITATED OVER THIS CONTROVERSY, I'LL JUMP IN AND KEEP THINGS STIRRED UP. THIS BUBBLED UP OUT OF MEMORY. DR. BOB BECK GENERATES CS WHILE OZONATING HIS MIX WITH AN AQUARIUM BUBBLER. MORE AND MORE, OXYTHERAPY AND CS SEEM TO BE CONNECTED. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS Makers
Hi All, I'm new to the list and am hoping that someone out there won't mind providing with their opinions concerning CS makers. Who makes a good CS maker for less than $175? How does the "Bob Beck" CS maker from Sota Intruments rate? Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
RE: COMFREY--I have two comfrey plants in the back yard that was given to me. Will someone send me information as to all the ways I can use it? For example, how do you dry it? In the sun? In the oven? In a food dryer? I think there was a comfrey scare once which put a damper on people using comfrey. But I read a story of a woman whom the doctors had given up on. She was on her way to Hawwaii to say goodby to her relatives, but read a magazine which described a health center, so she changed her ticket and went there instead. She lived for about 2 years on juices, and mentioned comfrey in her book. Today, she is well and alive. > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? Yes, there is a colloidal gold, like colloidal silver. People believe gold helps your nervous system, but I think Dr. Schulze's nerve tonic is more effective. Regards, :) Joyce On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, W. D. Cavanaugh wrote: > Mike, > Your assessment of chc's post was well-received by me, though I visit > his > side of the fence more often than the other side. > > My concern was with "throwing out the good with the bad" that you > alluded > to. Sorry, friend, but that has already happened and your reference to > the lad who laid open his thumb and "needed" the doctor is a terrific > case in point. It tells me clearly that this horse ain't near dead > enough. Have you never heard of or used comfrey? It's like science > fiction the way this stuff works. Chuck's father laid open his ring > finger to the bone when his wedding ring got caught by their > automatically- > closing trunk. I had given him a comfrey plant and he had dried quite > a few leaves which I then blended into a dry powder. He dusted the > badly > mangled finger with this powder AND used some fresh comfrey blended with > water > to soak the digit. In WELL UNDER a week (3 or 4 days, I seem to recall) > you could hardly see the point of injury. I myself laid open a thumb to > the > bone, soaked the badly bleeding injury in comfrey water for 30 minutes, > there was almost no pain after that and the injury healed to the point > that you'd have thought it a mere scratch in 3 or 4 days. > > My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey (which > even > works on my dogs and peafowl-- that pretty well eliminates > psychosomatics.) > There are MANY SUCH cures that work on everybody, but they don't work on > anybody anymore, 'cause that course of study has turned into opinionated > herbalism that doesn't work or the study has been altogether abandoned. > VERY FEW herbalists with whom we have dealt have any knowledge of > dosage. > VERY FEW chiropractors with whom I have dealt are more than con artists. > THIS LIST is perhaps the single group of enlightened folks who put all > others to the test and come out with the pure gold. www.eskimo.com/~reid/> > Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? > > Wil Cavanaugh > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:52:53 -0400 > From: Tom Young > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: To stir or not to stir... > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Don't know if this was ever asked before, but > When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, > should the CS water be stirred at that point? > Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? > I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better > quality CS? > Maybe it makes no difference? > What say, folks? > > ...Tom > Tom and list, When I make my CS, I stir the water just before I put the electrodes in, and the silver comes off in a swirl. I have not compared this with non-stirred CS, but that will be one of the things I will check for in my darkfield studies as I get the time. Just my 2 cents worth. Jim Einert, N.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
Joyce must be right about the magnet not affecting anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a magnet only affect ferrous metals? Wil C. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
Mike, Your assessment of chc's post was well-received by me, though I visit his side of the fence more often than the other side. My concern was with "throwing out the good with the bad" that you alluded to. Sorry, friend, but that has already happened and your reference to the lad who laid open his thumb and "needed" the doctor is a terrific case in point. It tells me clearly that this horse ain't near dead enough. Have you never heard of or used comfrey? It's like science fiction the way this stuff works. Chuck's father laid open his ring finger to the bone when his wedding ring got caught by their automatically- closing trunk. I had given him a comfrey plant and he had dried quite a few leaves which I then blended into a dry powder. He dusted the badly mangled finger with this powder AND used some fresh comfrey blended with water to soak the digit. In WELL UNDER a week (3 or 4 days, I seem to recall) you could hardly see the point of injury. I myself laid open a thumb to the bone, soaked the badly bleeding injury in comfrey water for 30 minutes, there was almost no pain after that and the injury healed to the point that you'd have thought it a mere scratch in 3 or 4 days. My point is: almost nobody I know has any knowledge of comfrey (which even works on my dogs and peafowl-- that pretty well eliminates psychosomatics.) There are MANY SUCH cures that work on everybody, but they don't work on anybody anymore, 'cause that course of study has turned into opinionated herbalism that doesn't work or the study has been altogether abandoned. VERY FEW herbalists with whom we have dealt have any knowledge of dosage. VERY FEW chiropractors with whom I have dealt are more than con artists. THIS LIST is perhaps the single group of enlightened folks who put all others to the test and come out with the pure gold. Jump subjects: Is there such a thing as colloidal gold? Wil Cavanaugh -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
I would think that a small, slim magnetic stirer would give more reproducible results than the bubbles from a fish tank pump (because the stirer's spin can be controlled), and you can set it at a rate that would keep the silver colloids evenly distributed in the water. As for the magnet interferring with the results--you'll know only after you try it. Another option is to have a mechanical agitator for the silver container, but unless you can devise one yourself, the ones used in the labs are pretty expensive. If you already have the equipment to make the bubbles, why not try it out to see if you can get consistent reproducible results? :) Joyce On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, M. G. Devour wrote: > Tom Young wrote: > > > >Don't know if this was ever asked before, but > > >When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, > > >should the CS water be stirred at that point? > > >Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? > > >I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better > > >quality CS? > > >Maybe it makes no difference? > > Reid wrote: > > > The answer is yes it should be stirred and should prevent larger > > particals. The water becomes more conductive in that cloud area. > > Tom, Reid, your observations are right on. This is one of those > subtle variables that are going to make it hard to standardize a > recipe. > > I keep a milliammeter in line with the electrode circuit. If I don't > touch a thing, the current builds up to a higher value. As soon as I > pull the electrodes and stir the CS, the current falls way back. > > So it's hard to predict how long you're going to have to run to > produce a certain concentration. And we don't know yet how the > particle size is being affected by the varying current flow. > > I hate like *hell* to add another gimick to our setups, but I bet > that continuous gentle stirring would help us be repeatable. > > It could be done with a (rather expensive) stirring hot plate, but > I'm worried that the magnets used to spin the stir-bar would mess > things up. We could put a small propeller attached to a dc motor in > the vessel instead. > > Heating causes convection that is pretty effective at moving things > around in the glass, in my experience. > > One of the most elegant solutions I have thought of is a glass tube > attached to an aquarium air pump through a control valve, so a gentle > stream of bubbles could keep things stirred up, even when operating > at room temperature. > > A setup with the electrodes, a thermometer, and a bubbler tube > through the lid would give you a pretty simple, repeatable way to > go. Combined with a meter for the current, and you'd be able to make > repeatable batches using current, or even time, to decide when > you're "done." > > Just another suggestion. Anyone else? > > Mike D. > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@mail.id.net ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
Tom Young wrote: > >Don't know if this was ever asked before, but > >When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, > >should the CS water be stirred at that point? > >Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? > >I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better > >quality CS? > >Maybe it makes no difference? Reid wrote: > The answer is yes it should be stirred and should prevent larger > particals. The water becomes more conductive in that cloud area. Tom, Reid, your observations are right on. This is one of those subtle variables that are going to make it hard to standardize a recipe. I keep a milliammeter in line with the electrode circuit. If I don't touch a thing, the current builds up to a higher value. As soon as I pull the electrodes and stir the CS, the current falls way back. So it's hard to predict how long you're going to have to run to produce a certain concentration. And we don't know yet how the particle size is being affected by the varying current flow. I hate like *hell* to add another gimick to our setups, but I bet that continuous gentle stirring would help us be repeatable. It could be done with a (rather expensive) stirring hot plate, but I'm worried that the magnets used to spin the stir-bar would mess things up. We could put a small propeller attached to a dc motor in the vessel instead. Heating causes convection that is pretty effective at moving things around in the glass, in my experience. One of the most elegant solutions I have thought of is a glass tube attached to an aquarium air pump through a control valve, so a gentle stream of bubbles could keep things stirred up, even when operating at room temperature. A setup with the electrodes, a thermometer, and a bubbler tube through the lid would give you a pretty simple, repeatable way to go. Combined with a meter for the current, and you'd be able to make repeatable batches using current, or even time, to decide when you're "done." Just another suggestion. Anyone else? Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, p
Hey chc and list! That has *got* to be the longest subject line I've ever seen! chc wrote: > Please let me clarify what I was trying to say above. The "bulk of ... knowledge" I was talking about is that *huge* area of understanding that we are nearly unanimous about. If scientific knowledge is that which can be used to understand and predict nature, we've come a long way and most of it does just fine to explain how things work. I don't think we would disagree that the earth orbits the sun, or that the blood transports oxygen and carbon dioxide. Our basic understanding of physics, chemistry, physiology, and anatomy depend on *centuries* of study and analysis, and we benefit from that foundation in our own study of alternatives. If you draw a line between what we know works and what is in dispute here, you'll find more on the side of what works -- a *lot* more! > I have let go of my licenses and feel shamed to say that I was once > "one of them"! You have made a moral decision to abandon a system that you realized was corrupt. You have *not* abandoned science or medicine if we understand them to be the pursuits of truth and healing. > Until each of us stands up and acts and becomes his or her own > best doctor, there will be no healing. *THIS* is where we have to get to in this discussion. Each of us *IS* responsible for our own health and health care. Whether we choose to think for ourselves or just purchase other people's thinking is our own decision to make. Please understand that the bad things you see happening in medicine are the price we pay for allowing, or even begging government to protect us. The authority to approve, license, fund, or regulate also grants the power to disapprove, revoke, tax, and prohibit. So every agency that was created to "regulate" the industry soon became part of the behemouth that defends the industry today. > Alert! Alert! The system is not working. Ah, but be careful! One of our Scouts at summer camp this week opened up his thumb with a hatchet. The hand surgeon who sewed him back together did some amazing work, which depended on that vast amount of scientific and medical knowledge we talked about before, not to mention her individual talent and dedication. If you talk to the boy's father, as I did, he'd tell you the system worked very well, indeed. But we're far less confident of approved treatments for cancer and autoimmune diseases. And they ignore a lot about nutrition and spiritual well being. We've got a lot of folks for whom the system is failing. So this is where our battles will be. > (Taxes, more taxes, buying products that are crap; supporting > Insurance Companies who only "allow" such crap treatment; Paying > the coverage charged by these purveyors of poison; electing fraud > politicians who support and continue this greedy corporate > endeavor, at our and our loved ones expense - health!!!) So are we talking about Medicine and Science, or Politics here? Ahh, I see! > medicine) *is* to be respected for that, at least.> > > Respected, what for To have gone to school and allowed > themselves to be "brainwashed" with corporate supported dogma? Many of us have asked questions that any first year med student would have been able to answer, but none of us could. Could we use the help of a few of those conventionally educated folks? Damn right! But are we going to get that help or not? It depends at least in part on each of us being willing to treat them like people and give them a chance. Hate the system all you want, but make the effort to discriminate freind from foe when it comes to the people involved. > I respect those who stand and examine all manners of truths and > follow their own instincts and remain open to all. I agree completely! > Until we take full responsibility for ourselves, our bodies, our > health we will remainvictims. Correct! > unknown. > > > Yeah isn't it great. Lets dance and revel out there. We know what > goes before us, doesn't work. Out here, "in the vast unknown" we > have no preconceived notions. It is here we will be challenged and > in this unknown out here, it is where we all will tap into our > brilliance, where no one in fear dares to go. Colorful speech! Very nice. The only caution I would give you is that a *lot* of what goes before us *DOES* work. Let's not throw out the good because of our failures. > Lets not look for others approval to validate us, our search, our > discoveries and what we know works! I agree with you. I have no desire to pursue *approval* of CS or any other alternative except by those *individuals* open minded and informed enough to look outside the mainstream. When enough people discover what works, eventually, perhaps after a great struggle, the mainstream moves. > If we make our way, peacefully and quietly soon it just is. Everyone > sees what works, no one had to be convinced. > > Was it Ghandi who said?..."be the change you want to see in the >
Re: CS What are we Making? Thanks Mike
I'm wondering about the use of three electrodes: > The wire in the middle remains clean and > the outer wires get dark. Do the outer wires get dark equally, same shade of charcoal grey or black ? (I think that means they're both positive polarity.) And you say the inner wire remains clean Does the 'battery case' contain an embedded (or hidden) pulse (or flip-flop) or other circuit ? Who makes your type of CS device ? Does it have a name or patent number ? --Bill -- At 11:39 PM 7-11-98 +, chc wrote: > >Thank you kind sir for taking the time to teach me how to make CS. I >think I may have it now. > >The Gifted CS maker has 3 silver wires; 2 positives? and 1 negative? > >(3) 9 Volt batteries on top > >3 silver wires coming down, ~ 5 inchs does into the water > >--- 5" >___|| The wire in the middle remain clean and >the outer wires get dark. > || Each wire is about 1" apart >from the next. >___|| There is alot of sediment at the bottom, >which made me nervous > ||I did not drink it, because >of the sediment. But it works great on >___||persistent mold we had on a wall! Can't >wait to try it on wood >| dry rot. >| >\ This is the battery case. Looks like a >nifty device. I am going to order the device you talked about that >detect dissolved solids. That will probably help me. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
Tom Young wrote: > > Don't know if this was ever asked before, but > When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, > should the CS water be stirred at that point? > Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? > I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better > quality CS? > Maybe it makes no difference? > What say, folks? > > ...Tom > Tom & list, A method you might want to experiment with is to used pulsed DC, rather than constant current DC; I've been running my CS generator with a ~20KHz pulsed square wave, ~55% duty cycly, at 15VDC, using 1/4 of the previous batch as a 'starter' added into pure distilled water; with water pre-heated, an 8 oz. batch runs to 20PPM on the TDS1 in around 35-40 minutes. (At this 15 volt operating level, A current of 8mA, as read on a digital multi-meter wired in series, is my cutoff point, yielding about the same ~20PPM TDS1 reading every time.) "Bridging' of the "sludge" does not occur; the buildup on the negative electrode (cathode) stays clinging to the negative electrode fairly well; (it helps to have the negative electrode with twice the surface area of the positive silver electrode, so hydrogen gas bubble evolution does not dislodge & redisperse the sludge into the water...) My impression is that the particle size produced is fairly fine, (based on the light refraction characteristics) but I haven't had the financial resources to have the particle size analyzed by an independent lab... I personally prefer to make a fresh 8 oz batch when I get down to the 1/4 level, thereby always having a fairly fresh supply on hand. A subject for testing is to store a batch for several months, then use it in comparison to a fresh batch of the same PPM in side-by-side testing in something like the "milk test" being discussed recently on this list. This should give a better idea of the "shelf life" of the home brew CS we're making. On the subject of storage, I would expect that filling a container to eliminate virtually all air before long term storage would eliminate reaction with the air as a cause for CS deterioration. And while some makers of "Super CS" claim they can leave their product sitting out in direct sunlight without affecting it's ability to disrupt pathogens, I'd like to see this demonstrated in the 'biological inhibition' tests before I 'swallow' that claim. I'll keep mine out of the light. Bruce Stenulson Applied Technology -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Microbial Challenge Test Fund
I'm not sure about testing a product with other variables, such as a protein. If we do this, we will need to make two tests--the second with the exact silver concentration at 40 ppm and .001 micron size. Otherwise, we won't know what the silver itself is doing. (i.e., does the protein have any enhancing factor to the silver?) I once used a silver which had an natural, active ingredient added to it (electron-giver) that enhanced the action of the silver in killing pathogens--it was the fastest germ killer tested at a university. So unless we have the funds to do two studies, it may be wiser to test a pure colloidal silver solution. If you go commercial, I would select a brand that has a reputation for giving great results, of a known concentration and size, and whose concentration (same batch) can also verified at 2 or 3 independent laboratories. But I like the idea of testing a dependable, reproducible home-made colloidal silver generator, which is more useful for most of us. Can someone do a SURVEY of the dependable home generators being used by the group? Or search the Web for any comparison studies on home generators? One final thing in testing--Please choose a testing facility that is honest (not infiltrated by NewWorldOrder who often sabotages health experiments). Regards, Joyce On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, MYCA, INC. wrote: > If you decide to go with a commercially prepared cs,I will be happy to donate > a > 4oz. bottle of the product I distribute[COLL/AG-40,MILD SILVER PROTEIN,@40PPM > and .001 microns in size,color-golden].Just let me know and I will ship it > whereever you would like. > HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE DAY > ARNIE FARBER > > bjs1779 wrote: > > > >Here's a thought, if you go over the $200 limit why not donate the > > > excess to Jim Einert to help him cover the cost of his camera for his > > > microscope. I'm sure he'll be putting that camera to good use and helping > > > the CS croud. > > > Take Care > > > > > > Reid > > > > EXCELLENT idea Reid! In fact I've had some reservations about the test > > because > > I don't know what CS is going to be tested. It seems most of the group > > here is making their own CS. So to me, since there has been studies > > already on commercially prepared CS, a STANDARD home-brew that is > > as close to what everyone is making should be the likely candidate. > > The only problem I don't know is, does the homemade stuff stay > > effective long enough in order to get an accurate analysis? > > bjs > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: TDS-1 What it actually does!
bjs1779 wrote: > It should be noted that the TDS can not identify ionic particles. Bob > reported as much with his conversation with the manufactures of the > TDS meters. At least that is my memorey of what he said. > bjs It might be mor accurate to state that the TDS1 does not differentiate between ionic and non-ionic particles; it does a conductivity test to calculate total disolved solids. (All particles in the fluid being tested.) Bruce Stenulson Applied Technology -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Melaleuca
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Fidget wrote: > According to a search I did, you may be right. It seems they are > exactly the same tree, and they have been removing them because they > grow so dense that that don't allow for any other vegetation to grow. > Seems to me that these people/developers might be so dense themselves > they don't realize just how important these tress are. Check out this > website and see what you think: > > http://cnn.com/EARTH/9706/24/wetland.banks/index.html > > Fidget According to some sources, hundreds of thousands of plants and other destructive activities are planned by The Establishment (Illuminati-NewWorld Order), using the ENVIRONMENT to carry out these purposes. Dr. Wallach tells how he worked for 12 years with a government team to find an "environmentally sensitive" animal. Once the bird (with the fragile egg) was found, the Illuminati-controlled media plastered it in newspapers, textbooks, etc. to gain more power and pass more laws. (Students are taught this propaganda in schools.) Hundreds of thousands of trees are destroyed and they do it in the name of the "Environment", like destroying forests to replant them with "native plants" (weeds and shrubs). They already control half the land in the U.S., and are building concentration camps on them. Their doctrine is similar to Hitler's, and they do all sorts of evil human experiments. In the story below, they removed the active ingredient in pancreatin. (To understand why the Illuminti is so evil, you must understand their satanic origins (illum=light; luci=light, from Lucifer/devil/satan). PANCREATIN STORY: Dr. Kelly was healing people with cancer, using pancreatin. He was ousted from his company. ABOUT PANCREATIN: (from page 16) "The A.H. ROBINS CO., like the Eli Lilly Co. was given the sole world-wide monopoly for pancreatin by the Big Establishment. Pancreatin was the only nutritional supplement used by all of the Kelley patients. "The first procedure used by the Establishment to put an end to me was the development of a process by which to fractionate the Whole Pancreatin into the various individual enzymes. In fractionating the Pancreatin they were able to remove one of the major enzymes and make it unavailable to the nutritional market, They continued to market the defective pancreatin to the unsuspecting health food market. Supplement manufacturers never knew why their products would no longer be effective for a multitude of nutritional needs. When I personally informed these manufacturers I was threatened with legal action. Being aware of this, I adjusted our Metabolic Program to compensate for this fraud. I went right along helping the Cancer Victims, but instead of a 6 month procedure the program had to be extended for 18 to 24 months. The cost was also greatly increased. " The Establishment by removing needed active ingredients in the raw materials sold to the companies making vitamin tablets assumed the Kelley PROGRAM was doomed to total failure. Although I altered our Metabolic Program to compensate for this, those who now claim they have the Kelley Program and supplements are deceiving themselves and the Cancer Victim, for this is the state of PANCREATIN and their fraudulent programs of Cancer Cures to date. " The Chymotrypsin removed from pancreatin is now sold to manufacturers of sewer and septic tank cleaners and not available to the medical community or health food store industry." [The above was taken from http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01 page 16 of Forbidden Books- (Book 2) and Future Health- Camps & Food] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: To stir or not to stir...
>Don't know if this was ever asked before, but >When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, >should the CS water be stirred at that point? >Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? >I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better >quality CS? >Maybe it makes no difference? The answer is yes it should be stirred and should prevent larger particals. The water becomes more conductive in that cloud area. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing - UPDATE
>By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my >disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his >"doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, which I >will be dumping next week. The sickening thing about it is that this >"doctor" is viewed with god-like respect, and yet he continues to lose >the patients that follow his advice the most!! Go figure. Suffice it to >say, he doesn't like *me* very much; I'm sure his arrogant ego will not >be bruised by my departure. >Dameon Smart man Dameon if you can't get the doctor to listen then find one that will... Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing summary...
>> 1.Dan: Thumbs down >> 2.bjs: Thumbs down >> 3.Tom: Thumbs down >> 4. >> 5. Are we saying what we think of doctors? I give one big finger to the jerks and one thumbs up to the ones that care.. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Microbial Challenge Test Fund
>MYCA, INC. wrote: >> If you decide to go with a commercially prepared cs,I will be happy to donate a >> 4oz. bottle of the product I distribute[COLL/AG-40,MILD SILVER PROTEIN,@40PPM >> and .001 microns in size,color-golden].Just let me know and I will ship it >> whereever you would like. >> HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE DAY >> ARNIE FARBER I have some WaterOZ CS that I'll donate also and will ship anywhere. Let me know how much is needed and where to ship. Also can put together a CS maker and make some home brew to test if needed. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, period.Anyone who has mastered a significan portion of it *is* to berespected for that, at least. Where we are stuggling is at the vastbo
Very nice essay chc. My question/theory is this: The percentage of atheists is higher among docs than in the general population. The percentage of atheists is much,much higher in the *medical research community* than in the general population. The *medical research community* does do some valuable research.But I am amazed at how arrogant they are when they do human genome research,transplant research,animal experimentation,cancer research,genetic research,cloning,bio-engineering.They welcome the godless brave new world. Dan == === -Original Message- From: chc To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 1:35 AM Oh, I know I shouldn't get into this. Maybe it's my Lyme that's in my brain. "The truth will set you free. It will be very painful at first, but it will set you free." I am from the medical, scientific knowledge background you speak of Mike, and in earnest, I think Western, "allopathic" medicine is in the Dark Ages, where sport was burning witches, killing off creative thought and questioning the status quo, to protect very large over inflated, fragile, male egos. (OK it has now extended to women in Medicine) Now it also protects the beaurocracy, corporations. I have let go of my licenses and feel shamed to say that I was once "one of them"! Medical Schools, Research, Universities, the government are supported by BIG business, and if you do not believe that then , "...follow the money..." Until I became ill myself, found no help, in fact was shunned by fellow health professional, because I was really ill and they could not help me, I had no idea of what science and medicine really were. And it was not I who was really ill.The self educated, the evolved, those seeking their truth are the ones who helped me help myself. SNIPPO -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS What are we Making? Thanks Mike
Thank you kind sir for taking the time to teach me how to make CS. I think I may have it now. The Gifted CS maker has 3 silver wires; 2 positives? and 1 negative? (3) 9 Volt batteries on top 3 silver wires coming down, ~ 5 inchs does into the water --- 5" ___|| The wire in the middle remain clean and the outer wires get dark. || Each wire is about 1" apart from the next. ___|| There is alot of sediment at the bottom, which made me nervous ||I did not drink it, because of the sediment. But it works great on ___||persistent mold we had on a wall! Can't wait to try it on wood | dry rot. | \ This is the battery case. Looks like a nifty device. I am going to order the device you talked about that detect dissolved solids. That will probably help me. Thanks again Mike, for the list and your valuable information. When you see my previous post, please accept my apology for anything I said which might offend you. That was not my intention. I am just tired of tiptoeing around the establishmentt! Thanks for "holdin' the fort"! c...@jps.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
But the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is valid, period. Anyone who has mastered a significan portion of it *is* to be respected for that, at least. Where we are stuggling is at the vast bou
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh, I know I shouldn't get into this. Maybe it's my Lyme that's in my brain. "The truth will set you free. It will be very painful at first, but it will set you free." I am from the medical, scientific knowledge background you speak of Mike, and in earnest, I think Western, "allopathic" medicine is in the Dark Ages, where sport was burning witches, killing off creative thought and questioning the status quo, to protect very large over inflated, fragile, male egos. (OK it has now extended to women in Medicine) Now it also protects the beaurocracy, corporations. I have let go of my licenses and feel shamed to say that I was once "one of them"! Medical Schools, Research, Universities, the government are supported by BIG business, and if you do not believe that then , "...follow the money..." Until I became ill myself, found no help, in fact was shunned by fellow health professional, because I was really ill and they could not help me, I had no idea of what science and medicine really were. And it was not I who was really ill.The self educated, the evolved, those seeking their truth are the ones who helped me help myself. I now understand that the basics of most science and medicine are best kept in cookbooks, by scared, non thinking, élitists, who think that they are in a unique clan, nah,nah,nah,nah,nh, nah And best be used on themselves and each other, rather than unsuspecting, trusting good people. Until each of us, stands up and acts and becomes his or her own best doctor, there will be no healing. Alert! Alert! The system is not working. For too long we, like sheep, baaa, baah have allowed ourselves to be led around and follow cockamamie, ritualistic, harmful, "sanctioned" treatments. For which we have paid dearly for with our own dollars, our health, much suffering and many lives! (Taxes, more taxes, buying products that are crap; supporting Insurance Companies who only "allow" such crap treatment; Paying the coverage charged by these purveyors of poison; electing fraud politicians who support and continue this greedy corporate endeavor, at our and our loved ones expense - health!!!) I know, I am preaching to the choir.. "Stupidity is, doing the same thing and expecting different results." No, dear man, IMHO, the bulk of medical and scientific knowledge is stupid and defies the Innate sense of Spirit and Nature that each one has inside, that shouts out the truth to us, and man do we pay for not listening. Respected, what for To have gone to school and allowed themselves to be "brainwashed" with corporate supported dogma? I feel sorry for them. Those who should be respected are anyone, who has the tenacity and courage to follow their own drummer. Stays alert to what is working, inspite of what "the clean, washed and educated" say. I respect those who stand and examine all manners of truths and follow their own instincts and remain open to all. You show me a man/woman who kept examining what is, not what is rumored to be and I will show you courageous, honorable, respectable people. Gaston Naessens; Royal Raymond Rife, Beachamp, et al, we all know the names of people among this group, who have integrity and courage to try again, when what is happening isn't working. Dear sir; there is no true science or medicine without the inclusion of the patient themself and those people who are willing to go against the stream to find the truth. "One man's medicine is another man's poison." Doctor means "to teach". When's the last time you saw a doctor take the time to teach what works. A teacher is also a learner. When is the last time you or any of us had a doctor ask us something and thank us for teaching them??? When's the last time you heard a doctor say out loud that cancer therapy is killing us faster causing more suffering and bankrupting us more than doing nothing would! And, it its all about money Please do not write me. I am not attacking doctors. But we all know, the system, as it is now, does not work. So I for one will not be part of it. I will no longer praise, set on a pedestal or deny the scam of it all. Why do I need to befriend?? If I need allopathic treatment, which most often does not work anyway, I can go across the border and get what I desire for pennies on the dollar, assuming I believe it will work! The emperor has no clothes. He and the masses eventually, will see that for himself/themselves. If you learn about holistic, alternative health and organic nutrition, homeopathic medicine, Rifes, colloidal silver, Eastern medicine; your mind power; meditation; Yoga; on and on, you are a true scientist and medicine man/woman. You are to be honored and respected because you will find what works for yourself. No one can ever give you that! You
Re: Doctor bashing - UPDATE
Not to drag this out any longer than it's already gone, but on the 10 PM news tonight, they reported on a national survey of doctors that was done by a medical insurance company and found that, in 50% of the cases (when averaged out), the "doctors" were negligent or outright wrong in their treatments!! The essential theme was that *maybe* it isn't such a good idea to trust your doctor after all! I guess my statement that 50-75% are a__holes wasn't too far from the mark, heh? By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his "doctor" - the same "doctor" I trusted for most of my years, which I will be dumping next week. The sickening thing about it is that this "doctor" is viewed with god-like respect, and yet he continues to lose the patients that follow his advice the most!! Go figure. Suffice it to say, he doesn't like *me* very much; I'm sure his arrogant ego will not be bruised by my departure. Dameon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Doctor bashing summary...
> 1.Dan: Thumbs down > 2.bjs: Thumbs down > 3.Tom: Thumbs down > 4. > 5. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
To stir or not to stir...
Don't know if this was ever asked before, but When making the CS and the "cloud" starts to form between the electrodes, should the CS water be stirred at that point? Maybe this would prevent any large particles from forming? I would think it might slow the process, but would it yield any better quality CS? Maybe it makes no difference? What say, folks? ...Tom -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
